[102] Pfaffenhain Euro Profile Cylinder Picked and Gutted

[@thelockpickinglebowski633]

I visited my old boss's shop the other day and his cutaway version also has 2 steel drivers and 2 spools. But no master wafers. Very long key pins. I'm tagging you in my recent tweet with a question or two about that one.

[@danielroglich3309]

Thanks for the vid . Always learning something new when watching your channel

[@brianhignett8954]

Hi Harry, Tricky key way, particularly near the top, liked your exploded drawing of the keyway! Well picked. Regards, Brian.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Brian Hignett Thanks - I stole the picture from this white paper with an impressive discussion of some of the unusual locks made by this company: toool.nl/images/6/6a/Pfaffenhain_Cutaway_cylinders.pdf Some of the lock designs are downright wild! The one I picked was by far the easiest. BTW - given our recent exchange on Lockwoods, you might be interested in page 17, on which Han discusses beveled key pins -- something used in some of these locks as part of it's bump defense. Frankly, that doesn't seem right to me, given how easy Lockwood beveled pins are to bump, but I thought I would mention it to you nevertheless.

[@brianhignett8954]

+LockPickingLawyer Hi Harry, Had a quick look through that article, very interesting. Many thanks. Can't quite get my head around the tapered pins as anti bump - unusual spools yes. Lockwood's shallow spools, are very effective, but MUST be fitted in all chambers. The pins lock up and restrict movement of the bump key, trying to beat them before tensioning, hasn't been successful. A fellow locksmith and good friend from the UK has some Yale bump keys from the 1930's, with a hard rubber protrusion on the key head, for bumping the old Yales - nothing's new! We've bumped for ages and ages, but due to the net, it became widely known, perhaps that's where the mystical "master key" for ALL locks originated! Regards, Brian.

[@TallanPick]

Great picking and gutted mate. I pick a pfaffenhain in my latest video sent to me by Rick Walles, very similar, but with only one spool in the second chamber. Beautiful lock. Thanks for sharing ;-)))

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Tallan Pick Thanks -- and I definitely saw your video. Pfaffenhain's don't seem to pop up on YT that often.

[@TallanPick]

+LockPickingLawyer I hope you like it ;-))) Cheers!

[@goldyxd]

Your pronunciation is actually almost exactly correct :) the only two little things are the "Pf" at the beginning, it's as you pronounced it but that the P is spoken too, just like the sound you would make when saying something like "Pff, come on, this can't be real" or so, and while you say "Hain" like Hey-n it's pronounced Hi-n (A Hain btw is a small and light forest) :D

[@goldyxd]

*so the "ai" is pronounced exactly like the English letter "I". ( A funny thing is that the "Ei" in german is pronounced the same and is not only found in a bunch of german words but also is a complete word itself. So while "I" in english means "me/myself", the german "Ei" is the word for "Egg"! xD Yes, I know our language is strange some time :D

[@TheDavesnothere11]

Impressive how easy you make it look to work past the warding.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+TheDavesnothere11 The warding looks intimidating, but it's really not that bad. My video on defeating paracentric keyways (#82) explains the technique I use on this lock.

[@TheDavesnothere11]

+LockPickingLawyer I've seen that one and use that method but still hang up on the edges of the pin cutout in the warding and moving back and forth through the stacks. I get success but lack the smoothness but I'm always getting better with practice.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+TheDavesnothere11 I see. In that case, thanks for the compliment. :-)

[@m4iler685]

I'm so happy to see someone else using the hook the same way I do: using the keyway for leverage. I have never gotten the chance or the right tools to take on these complex keyway locks, what would you recommend for some basic tools?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

It's actually a pretty common way to use picks... I see it quite often. As for recommending picks for complex keyways, see my video #82. Every company has picks that will fit the bill, and most of them are quite good... video #82 will show you what pick shapes to looks for.

[@lockpickingbelfast]

I like the Peterstone picks but its a Personal preference thing when it comes to picks so you'll probably end up getting a few sets to see what you like, but check out lpl video and see what he likes and it might help, good luck and happy picking.

[@tonyholt90]

very tight looking keyway and you didn't struggle, well done. my home mades are around 22thou ( picks) so I'm having trouble feeling pins. and spend quite a time before getting results. you make it look to easy lol..

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+tonyholt90 Thanks! FYI - If you haven't already seen it, check out my video on defeating paracentric keyways (#82)... that explains the technique I use on this lock.

[@jasminelognnes989]

Three questions in one comment, if that is allowed? 1. Have you made the pinning tray yourself, or can it be bought somewhere? =) 2. Won't the first two pins be of iron since they are magnetic? 3. Why didn't the mater wafers come into play? I though they were the once that first would get picked? Great videos you make =)

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Jasmine Lognnes Thanks... and of course it's allowed! (1) I made the (now pretty beat up) pinning tray. For a little more information about it, check out this thread: www.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=10570&sid=62d03d04d775c33cc9009fb41e57ff77&start=15 (2) The first two pins are almost certainly make of some super hard alloy steel. They are put there to make drilling the sheer line harder by deflecting, breaking or dulling a drill bit. (3) Master wafers can make picking easier because there are multiple shear lines. If you SPP a lock and discover a master wafer in the lock body (bible), that means that you missed one sheer line, and hit the second... thus, if the lock was not mastered, you would not have opened it at all. When all of the master wafers are still in the plug after SPPing, that means you hit the first shear line in each pin stack and you didn't take advantage of the security weakness introduced by the presence of master wafers.

[@jasminelognnes989]

Thanks a lot for the detailed explanations! Now it makes much better sense. Very impressive that you designed and made the pinning tray your self. It seams like something that would be perfect for 3D printing. Have you though about mass producing them and put them up for sale?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

I'm not going to be mass producing the tray -- too much work on my terrible equipment, but there may be someone else doing something similar. I'll try to PM you if that project comes to fruition in the near future.

[@jasminelognnes989]

Thanks a lot =)

[@klepas]

Pronunciation: Far-ffen-hein (“pf” in German is like “ff”, only softer, kinda). Nice picking mate. Love the eurocylinder format. Also, psst, let’s organise another trade? :o)

[@mechanicandskills7215]

+Simon Klein what does it mean ? thanks

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Simon Klein Thanks... PM me your email address... it's far easier for me, particularly when I'm on the road for work.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+charles philippe It's the name of the city in (then East) Germany where the company was founding right after WWII. Oddly enough, relatively close to Gera, German, home of another eponymous lock company. Thank Han Fey and his awesome white paper on this company for those little tidbits or trivia.

[@mechanicandskills7215]

now i know thanks

[@VicariousReality7]

Far????

[@jeffmoss26]

Great job - what a keyway!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Jeff Moss Thanks

[@tonyholt90]

thanks I will watch again and try it out, much appreciated for advice...

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+tonyholt90 I hope it helps. :)

[@norbertscheibner8334]

Pfaffenhain is a small village in Saxony. ABUS has a factory there.

[@mechanicandskills7215]

Hello I was wondering if you ever evaluated a KASP lock . of any series. I have had a few that gave me a wonderful littlie pick.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+charles philippe I've never tried one... to my knowledge they are not readily available over here. Are they difficult picks?

[@mechanicandskills7215]

some times I get one all the pins feel froze the only way I can do it is too just pick the low hanging pins and just a smug of feeling from the tension wrench others are easy as any. what takes you a minute or so takes me 7 minutes so not sure what too say but some of the smaller ones has claimed 2 picks lol

[@pickbeard2690]

In my book "plucky" means easy😄😄 Waffered =easier than normal. Tricky keyway,would love to see this lock re-pinned and tried again👍👍

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Pick Beard LOL... as they say, the Brits and the Americans are a people separated by a common language!

[@tonyholt90]

yes I did see that thanks and saved it to watch again. more practice I'm thinking ...

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+tonyholt90 Excellent -- on locks where I have difficulty centering my pick exactly on the pin, I use the technique that I showed in my picking lockwood beveled pins video for checking for oversets... not sure if it will work for you, but it really helps me.