107 vs 114 What's the Difference? Harley-Davidson Milwaukee-Eight engines compared

[@dylanmonaghan]

Just back from the dealer. Rode the Fat Bob 107 and 114. The 107 was just like this video said: quicker reaction from the motor. Not better feel, just quicker reaction. Twist throttle, engine tries to give you what you ask for. If the “quality of the torque” doesn’t matter, the 107 will do the job just fine. No complaints. It felt decent. I didn’t feel like anything was missing. However, riding the 114? The quality of the engine feel was better. The 114 seems to have a bit more depth in the motor. Turn that throttle and you feel the smoothness in that depth. The 107 feels like the motor is being told what to do, and it complies because it has to. The 114 made me feel as one with the motor. I would think, I would like some more power, and the bike had a direct link to my entire being and we responded in unison. If I didn’t know about the 114, the 107 would have been wonderful. But unfortunately (or fortunately) I rode that 114. And now, that’s all I want. That’s how it felt for me anyway. YMMV.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Couldn’t have put it better myself. 👌🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@brentharrington9235]

Seems as though a tune could smooth out the 107, no?

[@dylanmonaghan]

@@brentharrington9235 Smooth out? It was plenty smooth. Have you had a chance to compare the two motors on the Fat Bob? If I could find another analogy, it would be like driving a Honda Accord with the 4 cylinder engine. Smooth, stable, perfect…yet….if you want to accelerate with two adults in the car, it feels a little heavy…like the engine wants to please you, but just not enough displacement to make the power. Drop into a V8 with 4 people and do the same thing and feel the power just move through you and the vehicle. Effortlessly. Acceleration? Tons of it. And room to spare. So it’s not about smoothness…it’s about available power on demand I guess. Just a different world.

[@brentharrington9235]

@@dylanmonaghan when I say smooth out, I am using tuning jargon. I was referring to smoothing out the torque curve. The explanation provided by yourself and author of the video indicates to me that the power delivery is very immediate with the 107. All I am saying is this can easily be adjusted on a dyno to suit the preference of the rider.

[@mattyvsmithy]

Can't say I've ridden the 114 but, honestly, I've never gotten on my 107 and thought "You know what this needs? More torque and power!" I find the Street Bob just always has enough power to bring a smile to my face. My only other gripe with the 114 is I find the colour schemes on the Street Bob look a bit too "much", I like simple and clean aesthetics' on my bikes. Personally, I think it's a case of buy the one you can afford and the one that looks the best to your eyes. You won't be disappointed with either of them.

[@ericcoppola]

Great job describing the 2 engines... I found it to be the same. Smooth and power early on the 114 and snappier and higher reving for the 107 and both r awesome!!! I went with the 107 fat bob!!! Sweet bike!!!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Eric Coppola Thanks Eric! I think the 107 will be more fun! Enjoy it 👊

[@keithmcknight8243]

In the last few years I have had the 88 in a DWG, the 103 in both a SG and a DWG. I now have a 2019 RG with the 114 and a stage 2 with a cam. I can say that I love each motor. The quickest was the 103 in my 2013 DWG. Loved the sound of my 88 in the 2001 DWG with short shot pipes. The 114 pulls in every gear and is actually fun up above 70 to 80 mph. To each his own. I have enjoyed every bike I have ever owned, and that is a lot of bikes in 50 years of riding.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Awesome Keith! The standard throttle mapping on the M8's is awful! We're getting a tuner soon.

[@jazzboy]

Have a Fat Bob 114. Passing semis in 6th at 80mph is always smile inducing. The M8 114 is a stellar engine. Tried a Road Glide Special with the 107 and also a lovely motor. Can't go wrong with either.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes they are both so good. I guess with slightly different tuning between models that the difference is there too

[@EvanWilliams86]

When picking my Heritage, the 114 sounded more attractive because of the bigger size, but really it's only like a ~100cc difference. (1753cc to 1868cc). For that slight difference, I opted for the bike I liked the LOOK of more, so I ended up with a chromed out 107 Heritage. Good video though, good to have a rider's side-by-side take on the two. Always love your videos, take care!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes a lot of it is also down to ecu tuning.

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

As a Motor head, builder, performance oriented person my preference is the shorter 4.375 stroke of the 107 to the 4.500 stroke of the 114. It is however still under square even with the S&S 4.250 big bore jugs. Rod to stroke ratio is good approximately 1.8 in either 107 or 114. Better than the twin cams. Many of the old larger twin cams had a really long 4.625 stroke. Big fan of the M8 in general. Overall best HD engine to date IMO.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Vern Lochtefeld Great points! We still love the M8! Going strong 👊🏼

[@chrissmith7669]

I’m happy with my 2020 107 Street Bob. If I need more zip I’ll go stage 2.

[@roadrunner40]

After test riding both, I could not see any difference great enough to choose one over the other. just pick the bike you like and whatever engine it has would be will be fine.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

40mmrrsmith Yes they are definitely both awesome.

[@curtc2194]

Love my M8 107...great acceleration !

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Curt C yes it’s a great engine!

[@bigalb8935]

I agree 😉

[@rodleithner7931]

I think both motors are beast. With 4 valves per cylinder the upgrades are endless. The 114 seems to be more refined like a big block V8. The 107 is like a small block V8 that revs quicker. Both have their place. Me I like the snappy feel of the 107 with a stage 2. However for long heavy haul through the hills and MT. the 114 does the trick.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Well summarised 👍🏼👍🏼

[@quomofo1]

I just bought a 107 Heritage this past weekend. It’s an awesome bike! I test drove both the 107 & the 114 for about an hour back to back over and over. I literally could not tell that much of a difference. The 107 even felt like it pulled a little harder. In 6th gear I could tell that the 114 felt just a tad bit more powerful.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Awesome! Yes I think you hit the nail on the head there. Ride safe 👊🏼

[@quomofo1]

MrDarcy & the Ol'Man Appreciate it!!

[@quomofo1]

Just dropped my bike off at the dealer. I’m having a Stage 1 and Stage 2 (torque cam) installed today!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

quomofo1 Cool 💯👊🏼

[@TheAbreign]

I have a 2020 StreetBob which comes with the 107..and you're absolutely right! Hit a bump or even twist the throttle just a little bit unexpectedly..and It will throw you out the back of your seat! VERY SNAPPY and JERKY. It wants to GO!!!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes it’s not like a cable throttle; you get a bit of an on/off switch effect with ride by wire for the initial movement

[@TheAbreign]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan EXACTLY!

[@davidgreenman1911]

If you hate your 107 then put bags and dashboard on it, add 300 lb and it will be slow and steady...

[@TheAbreign]

@@davidgreenman1911 I love it..what made you think I hate it daf*ck?😳🤔

[@ritaskeeter8539]

I rode both those 2 exact same bikes in 2021, 107 SB and the 114 Classic. To me, Dollar for dollar the Classic was a better buy and felt more stable on the freeways. I now own the 114 Heritage Classic and love it. I don't miss my 103 Dyna one bit ;)

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Ok great! 💯

[@aninja7628]

I run the 114 breakout with stage 3 and it yanks your ass hard with more to spare/ insurance cost to own this over the 107 is quite dramatic and yes smooth power delivery in all gears at all rpm range.Great motor! I have heard when engineers did the testing it went 300,000 miles totally unharmed. So as time and miles go by I think we may be noticing how bullet proof it is as well

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

A Ninja Wow that’s awesome! For what I’m doing, I’m finding the stock 114 to be just fine

[@aninja7628]

Johnny Appleseed straight from Haley R&D

[@0321ReconMan]

Badass! I have a stock 114 Fatbob that I am gonna do Stage 1&2. I thought about the stage 3 but honestly for the cost I dont see any reason to, especially since I still own a CBR 600 rocket. Hell that 114 pulls hard in its stock configuration! Only doing the Stage 2 because I can, really no need to though for what the bike is. I also love the way it handles, best handling cruiser I have ever been on.

[@charlesstatkus]

Could the snappier 107 feeling come from the electronic throttle sensitivity settings between the 107 and 114?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

That is quite possible 🤔

[@tizthelocsmith4758]

I think it's a combination of air, a bit more gas, and a different set of cams than the 103, 107, and the 114.

[@cop70s]

I think Harley screwed the pooch not making the street bob frame compatible with the 114 plant. I'm sure the 107 is great but all the extra power of the 114 in the sleeker frame would be a hit with the kids

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OhMyGod yeah it’s a shame they haven’t, maybe they will in the future, who knows!

[@rebel_ltz]

It has nothing to do with the frame. It's purely a business decision. All the new Softails have the exact same frame.

[@cop70s]

Well that makes no sense. Lots of dyna boys would probably trade up for a 114 oiled cooled street bob in a heartbeat

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

tom rebel very true

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

OhMyGod maybe it’s something Harley need to consider

[@Jhihmoac]

I would think a 107 is more than enough engine for a big bike... They're gonna be pretty heavy as it is... In my opinion, a 114 (or even a crate 131) would be a good pick for a well-dressed, hefty drive equipped trike, with lots of on-board functions and storage, as well as good bike trailer pulling power...

[@frederickorcutt9112]

Weight wise from what I read there is only a negligible increase in weight going to the 114. I ride a 96ci bagger and that has plenty of power up to about 110mph. I am upgrading from a carb'd sporty to the 114 street bob next month which is honestly a stupid amount of power on a bike that's in the 650 lb range. It sure will be fun to ride though.

[@DJGENOTYPE]

When I test road both. I did not feel a difference at all. When I test road an Indian 111 vs the 116, the power difference was huge!

[@joereyes5071]

If you feel a need to bash the 114 to make your 107 cooler by all means have at it. I think both engines are fantastic. I own a FXLRS only because of the bigger gas tank, inverted forks and dual disk brakes. All the softails are dope though.

[@frederickorcutt9112]

The fuel capacity is the only draw back of the street bob in my opinion. I just bought one anyways though as I have an older Ultra for long trips. I'll do a larger aftermarket caliper at some point since HD can't figure out how to make a solid single set up for the fronts.

[@chrissmith7669]

@@frederickorcutt9112 I’d like to go to a dual configuration of the improved brakes up front. Haven’t seen many options to add rear braking, you really have to stand on those to make a difference.

[@simonhickey8952]

You weren't listening were you? The man owns and runs a FLHCS 114.

[@darricklew32]

I ride a 103 and my friend has a 88 and they both are great bikes to ride!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Darrick Lewis That’s great! I agree. Safe riding 👊

[@dh2392]

Have you tried the 107 or the 114? I had a 103 Ultra Limited that I removed the headers with the catalytic converter, installed ceramic coated stainless steel headers, Arlen Ness stage 1 air filter, Power Commander, and had it dyno tuned all because I hated the heat. I then rented a stock 107 Road Glide in Hawaii and immediately noticed how even in the stop and go traffic of Honolulu how much cooler it felt than my modified 103. I didn't like the heat of the 103 and traded in my 2014 Ultra Limited for a 2017 Road Glide Ultra for this reason alone.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

DH Wow, good point!

[@roadassassin9445]

I have a 107 and yes it’s snappy you right but every body tells me the 114 is great but 107 is also great

[@roadassassin9445]

I love 107

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes tbh the 107 is awesome!

[@wb1956]

Very interesting. I find the 107 on my road king has plenty of power. More than I need!

[@stephenwilliams1824]

For my old 96” Ultra Classic, the only downside was on the motorway for that overtake in the fast lane, just no quick acceleration. I prefer the roads shown in the video for a leisurely pace to where I am going, whether the U.K. or E.U. Now another bike is needed later this year and the debate of whether another twin cam 103” or an M8 107” Ultra Limited to buy has got me thinking. I doubt I would not get anymore satisfaction out of a 114” or 120” engine mostly due to riding more on my own or within our mixed bike club.

[@johnpotter4210]

Got a 107 road king special. You do gotta watch that throttle over bumps...it feels like its trying to get out from under you sometimes. Also a seat with a high back is required or else i think it would be going down the road without me one of these days

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes I think it’s down to the ‘fly by wire’ throttle. That twist from off to on is a bit jerky; even on the 114. You don’t get the progressive feel like with a traditional cable throttle

[@motorcyclingendeavors2750]

Thank you for this video, I felt the difference you described between the 107 and 114, the 114 is smoother as you mentioned. Both were great, but the 114 is the way to go.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Motorcycling Endeavors glad you could tell the differences, a lot of people tend to say oh it’s only 7 ci it won’t make a difference

[@cjg431]

great info as i am still on the fence either 107 or 114, i want a smooth ride with some punch.. but more for touring and cruising.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Christopher Girard The 114 certainly has some punch. Overtaking is effortless yet it’s smooth too.

[@cjg431]

ya i am just waiting on a good deal then i will pull the trigger, i am just trying to figure out which color i want. i love the denim red. so if i can get a leftover at a great price i will do it

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Christopher Girard Fingers crossed for you!

[@msg63bretired82]

The 107 has modifications which add torque so it feels closer to a 114. Sadly doesn’t tell anyone what a stock compared to stock feels like.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

That’s interesting 👍

[@mociczyczki]

both stock 114 is 10% stronger around .... it have more bore more troke biger dispalcement biger torque biger power and weight the same or pretty d.mn close the same so107 cant be snappier .

[@frederickorcutt9112]

I love the sound of short shots but it sucks to lose the low end torque when you put them on!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes they make it harder to get the engine running right too

[@StangTime75]

My 114 RG with a stg1 falls on its face from a dig, the problem is the torque curve is awful. Doing s&s 465 cam. Obviously gain some power but it will bring the tq in at 2-2500 rpm rather then 3500+. My 103 pulled much harder from a dig.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Flame Killa Interesting comment! Thanks for the input. One thing I’ve noticed is that the 114 doesn’t like low revs (ie sub 1700)

[@hotstove6539]

Port your heads.

[@dennism103]

The Milwaukee 8 is a great engine

[@kiwiredbeard7632]

Sure is mate 🤙🏻

[@ericnuernberg3901]

Thanks for another great video. I love my 114 heritage. Can’t wait to put the pipes on her👍🍺

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thank you! What pipes are you getting?

[@ericnuernberg3901]

I’m thinking same as you! V&H eliminator 300

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Eric Nuernberg yes they are nice sounding slipons!

[@Holly1960-]

I would rather spend a bit more and get the 114. In the long haul, it will be the most proficient, and they will retain value a bit better. But, that said, love them both 107, or 114...it's a HARLEY-DAVIDSON...that is what counts the most. 🇺🇸 Cheers from SC

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes tbh they are both awesome 👊🏼

[@vegettossjblue9909]

Hi the last year I bought fat Bob 114 ,the last week I changed for a fat boy 107 I didn't feel too much difference maybe the 114 a little bit more torque but the 107 is faster is longer in every gear!!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

That’s a really good observation and spot on buddy! A lot of the feel can also be differences between throttle mapping etc between models

[@cjg431]

Good video I am still trying to determine which would be the best. I am probably gonna go with the 114. 107 does seem snappier not sure about smoother though. Both great Motors

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

I think now, with time riding, that if you want to ride hard and be a biit of a hooligan; go for the 107. If you want to be more laid back, get the 114

[@cjg431]

MrDarcy & the Ol'Man I noticed the instant power on the deluxe and the road king special. I like a little bit of both but I am more of a long distant rider I could go 2 300 miles. Have ridden 750 in one day on my road king. So I am looking more at the touring aspect of it and a bit of the thrill to.

[@ttjbiggunner2025]

Your right about the 107 that's what I have but I like it once you get used to it you Learn to back off of it befor it can snap back on you but it can still happen

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

TTJ BigGunner Since making the video we’ve discovered that a lot of the snappiness is due to the odd throttle mapping.

[@johnforbes1332]

I believe you answered my question Just wondering about any buzz in 114 Heritage softail Thanks Picking mine up in 2 days

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

John Forbes Great! The throttle map on the ECU has a weird ‘delay’ which can be changed with a tuner. I’m doing that on mine soon.

[@randyXLT]

I was kinda hoping you had some technical details about the differences

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Randy Torgerson this video was purely about the difference in how they ride and respond

[@shoomapadoo1141]

I really believe that you would find that same instant jerkyness you have reported in the 107 at a slightly higher rpm in the 114. I do not know but will look it up: what is the ratio difference in gear? I'm a chromaholic I might add.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Its probably down to the mapping and ride by wire throttle tbh

[@shoomapadoo1141]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan no need to reply and I am wrong more than right but I've decided to go with the 107. I feel its the better motor. Great video as always. Thank you.

[@dylanmonaghan]

@@shoomapadoo1141 I rode the 107 today. Excellent ride with nothing missing. Hope you have been enjoying the bike.

[@northerniltree]

Does the 114 come with a kick start option?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

No, all electric start

[@sushi_edits225]

Harley completely did away with kickstart in 1979

[@noneyabizz8056]

@@sushi_edits225 no,you can still get it on a 1985 fxr also I believe that was the last year.

[@thewordofgodPR]

Kick Start option? Hilarious 🤣

[@mattgoodmangoodmanlawnmowi2454]

F u if you are bagging on kick start. In the 60s we thought HD electric start was bogus. Real bikers used to be able to kickstart a 650 twin. I believe I still can.

[@philipjanes]

Would love to get a new Ultra. 107 would be fine. But for now I'll stick with my 28 year old Electra Glide Sport. Runs great, rides great. So reliable. Love to have a new one in addition to mine, but they aren't cheap. Beautiful though.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Very nice bike my friend, and that’s of course a great point!

[@brattpark790]

I am planing to buy 107 road king and wanted to make custom color all of the body so dont need roadking special but only what i am really want is i want 117 not 114.. i know i can do 107 to 114 biut do you think i can do 107 to 117 one step as same or little more price? And i want use bassani full exhaust is it possible or i should use streaming eagle?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

I’d have thought you’d be better off buying a 114 and then converting that to a 117 but I’m not all that sure. You are best off asking your local Harley dealership

[@fabienh3943]

Man, you've got a cool way to present things :-) And the topics are rather useful to the hesitant, like...myself.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Fabien H Thank you! That’s nice to hear. Lots planned for this year!

[@fabienh3943]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan Glad to read that

[@paulmears5604]

Bro that thatch roof is legit❤️

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Ha thanks yes.

[@crashdrumschool1]

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with this @MrDarcy. I have the 107 and thought it was just me but yes! It can throw you off, an accidental twitch or slight roll on of the throttle and it snaps. Definitely something you get used to however and learn to anticipate to avoid!! Nice videos 👍✅

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Crash Drum School thank you for the feedback, glad you enjoy the vids!

[@BicepsAndBikinis]

Great comment.

[@dennism103]

I'm happy with the m8 107 stage 2 its impressive af!

[@adamclark94]

Dont see how the 107 is faster than the 114

[@dariocuter5692]

Adam Clark, because its not faster at all.

[@RanGer-498]

Nice review on the one o seven and one fourteen.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks buddy 👍🏼😂

[@Ruleof2plus1]

The 107 puts out 107db of sound and the 114 is louder at 114db. Horse power? who cares, it's all about noise, noise is power baby!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

ETC Flyer it definitely doesn’t put that much sound out as standard!

[@1990-t1j]

Interesting old video. I think I'd prefer the 114. I like tghe jacket. 1990 [Nick J]

[@Denny0706]

how tall are you? I am 1.92m, do you recommend the advanced commands for the street bob?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Denny I’m 6 ft 3 inches, a tad shorter than you. I would definitely get forward controls and apes with less sweepback. It’s actually an incredible bike and such good value for money

[@TheLeevtr]

That bike wasn't stage 1. Stage 1 is exhaust, intake and tune. The bike in this video had standard intake fitted. For future reference Stage 2 is all Stage 1 plus upgraded camshaft.

[@splodge57]

I ride my 1200 Sportster with stock exhaust and I enjoy the relaxing ride. Never understand why most Harley riders want to make so much noise, they sound horrible.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

That’s the versatility of Harley Davidsons. So customisable to everyones taste. I personally prefer a louder pipe. It’s part of the experience and spectacle. It’s a bit of entertainment for others too. And loud pipes save lives - nobody will not hear you coming and walk out in front of you

[@splodge57]

The only people that like the noise are the people that make it. Thankfully not all vehicles are that loud. Cheers for the videos and ride safe.

[@BicepsAndBikinis]

splodge 57 I love to hear loud Harleys and supercars.

[@michalfrucz]

Hi, I want to buy the first HD, I watched street bob 117. Should I add some money and buy a different model, is it worth taking street bob? I have no idea ... best regards Mike

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

The Street Bob is a brilliant bike and the best value Harley Davidson too!

[@michalfrucz]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan are the 2021 engines does it have any weak points? do You recommend any modification ? aaa great YT channel...great

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

@@michalfrucz If you watch our Softail Standard review and exhaust videos that about covers it. No issues bud!

[@kencarrcarr3751]

I traded in my Fat Bob 103 twin cam(stage one) for a Street Glide Special 114 and boy what a difference that made,what a awesome engine it is,but heres the rub should I get a stage one job done,what exhausts to use,is it worth the money?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Awesome. You only need the pipes for the 114 as the filter already breathes properly, and probably an ECU tuner. So many pipes to choose from! Personally V&H Big Shots or if just slipons, V&H Slash Cut

[@ciw8688]

@@Chainflingdoes the cam change how the bike sound?

[@fatharold1788]

the 107 is all anyone needs. the 114 is heavier and hotter and most are blacked out which is ugly.,

[@fatharold1788]

i also like the clunky tractor feel of the 107

[@petewilson8678]

I have a 2017 SGS 107 with a stage one and it is powerful, getting a new SE torque cam in the new year, it will be be more than I need' tons of power.

[@Benjamin911ish]

The 114 actually weighs less because there’s less actual metal in the engine. Larger stroke means more air.

[@liberosantoro1741]

Salve quindi per quale versione optare? Grazie.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Entrambi buoni. 107 per il prezzo e 114 per la coppia extra

[@kyle-kelliher]

Well it’s two totally different bikes. Hard to compare the engines in bikes that are a good amount different in weight.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

True, but it's all I could get my hands on at the time

[@kyle-kelliher]

MrDarcy understandable. I’d like to see how the breakout 107 and 114 compare.

[@mytone100]

Test rode both, preferred the 114 . Way more torque. To Mr Jimmy below I've been riding 50 years and the 1969 750 cc trident made 58 horsepower and was slower than the stem of dog shit. My 114 dynoed at 120 hp and 130 torque with a $300 dollar cam change and a set of slip ones. Get your facts straight.

[@MrJimmy1437]

Listen jerk I was talking about a bike from 49 years ago A new eight valve Harley. according to Cycle World turns the quarter in 13.77 at 95 49 years ago my little 750 trident at a NHRA track I turned 13.22 at 105 mph I beat six fucking shit box Harleys last summer with my FJR touring bike so bad they thought their belts had broke. I have been riding 54 years and no piece of shit Harley has ever beaten me! I have a road test on line of a Harley fat boy next to a FJR. The fucking Harley with a 1690 cc motor makes 56hp and 72.2 lbs of torque . On the other half of the page a Yamaha FJR with 1290 cc makes 145hp with 92.0 lbs of torque. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining

[@Hawkeye23456]

MrJimmy1437 and yet you are on a Harley video trying to justify your bike. Just an FYI, no one gives a fuck!

[@MrJimmy1437]

I was just trying to promote common sense. Why not buy a much better bike for less money?

[@Hawkeye23456]

MrJimmy1437 I have seen you commenting on multiple videos bashing other people’s personal preferences. If they want to pay the “Harley-Davison Tax” let them. I love my Kawi and I love my Harley but one thing I can’t stand are the retards that try and belittle everybody else that likes something different than they do. Go out, enjoy what you like and keep it shiny side up.

[@MrJimmy1437]

I can't stand people who use a motorcycle or a car to show off with.Being ostentatious is wrong. I started riding in 1964 and until the late 70's motorcycle was a lot of fun, but I think about that time we were hit by a stupidity bomb, because all those wonderful do everything well standard bikes, started gathering cobwebs in the show rooms and the public suddenly started wanting horrible , posing cruiser junk and it has gotten worse with each passing day. In the old days us bikers traveled many miles to see the great motorcycle races. Now some of the good tracks are gone or even those that are open like Daytona , these showboating fucking fools don't go to the track. They stand around , drink beer and look at a bunch of half naked Bimbos. I know people who go hundreds of miles every march to Daytona. When they come back I excitingly ask them who won the big race. I get fucking dumb answers like "Oh I didn't go to the races What did you do? I watched people parade up and down with their fucking junk Harleys making a lot of noise, each one trying to look more ridiculous than the other!

[@drfelixfarsider2346]

Good video - I’ve wondered too, what could be the difference(s) between with just a few ci’s? Nice job with this video - thanks. Unfortunately, there is a BIGGER question now facing Harley-Davidson.... Sales world-wide are shrinking - people 18 - 40 aren’t drawn to the heavy iron, big growl, and tough-guy image that HD.successfully marketed for many years. I don’t think very many people will dispute the almost cult-like following that HD has enjoyed since it’s rebirth from near-bankruptcy about 25 years ago.... but those days are rapidly disappearing. Just ask anyone (particularly millennials) what they expect to see whenever a Harley-Davidson motorcycle rumbles by.... 3 words come to mind: “old”, “gray”, “fat” - this is now the image of the Harley rider. It won’t matter if HD keeps making bigger & bigger versions of its iconic V-Twin.... today’s young riders want modern styling, nimble and F-A-S-T motorcycles. HD’s loyal followers are declining in numbers year by year. If HD keeps pinning their hopes on larger & larger V-Twin designs they will soon have no customers left. Today’s young people don’t want to buy a grandpa bike.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

M Smith Very good points. I know Harley-Davidson are planning to launch a range of bikes in the coming years, some of which are going to be aimed at the younger rider. What I don’t know is what these bikes will be like and whether they get it right. Good point about old grey and fat - I’m only two of those!

[@stephen5665]

Sales have declined for all brands not just Harley. The new generation kids today are not buying bikes. They are not even buying cars. Even car manufacturers are trying to appeal to them. Most of them are lazy, dont want to work, and just want everything given to them.

[@cliffordkershaw7943]

Nice looking bike,but you can buy better quality bikes for half the money,ie Triumph,it's a shame Triumph stopped making the Thunderbird storm anymore,was voted best cruiser in the states,2 years on the trot,1700 cc great bike,but you can get great deals on second hand ones for under 10 grand,a no brainer really

[@ixibladeixi2639]

Heavy? I have a 2019 Breakout and it feels feather weight compare to my Vrod Muscle lol.

[@unwrangler11]

Excellent review, thanks.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks 😊

[@luisc978]

The 114 and 107 have same stroke, then 114 has larger bore, and that is the reason the screaming eagle kit changes the cylinders and pistons to upgrade the 107 to 114

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Luis C Stroke on 107 is 111.1 and on the 114 is 114 so not much in it really. I’m wondering whether other factors make the engines feel slightly different but probably a combination of different things

[@hamdog8872]

STREET BOB!!!! I've got the two tone red one... none of that ugly "denim" crap

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

hamdog sounds good mate!

[@koch4022]

hamdog that "ugly denim crap" has a hell of a following and imho the best looking paint ever laid on a Harley! Opinions are like buttholes', most people have em, they just don't all talk out of em. Lol. I can't imagine a red blooded human being who likes anything Harley Davidson, looking at a brand new Harley street glide in solid black denim ; and not just being left breathless!! Denim black and the new industrial grey, with a touch of flat orange writing on the tank is pure art in my book.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Koch 40 sounds great! Good to hear people’s harley stories and opinions!

[@hamdog8872]

@@koch4022 the black isnt so bad. But the red denim looks like ass to me. Like you said- opinions

[@benjaminmeyers9454]

Hamdog too each there own. I have the denim gray and black with red outline. I like the way it looks.

[@Ride_on54]

That’s what I want at my age Smooth acceleration a real cruiser 👍

[@timgear9892]

After riding both, I purchased an FLHTP with the 114 motor. It has noticeably more performance than the 107. I predict in a year or two, the 107 will be dropped in favor putting the 114 in everything.. 43 MPG out of the showroom is dam good!

[@timgear9892]

@Tom Mechanical good for you. Free country. I love my 114, and would not trade with you.

[@occyman]

So you really noticed the extra 150cc did you? I tested several 114 and to me it was neglible difference and I am not talking about some fat over weight touring slug either.

[@timgear9892]

@@occyman I laid my money down where my mouth is. I believe the 107 days are numbered on Harley's production schedule. I just broke 2000 mi on my FLHTP, and it is stronger as it breaks in. What the hell is a fat, overweight touring slug? You mean ME? At least I am not a skinny, wormy bean pole.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

you may be right!

[@goldilocks913]

Part of the attraction of Harleys for me is they’re all around the same power and characteristics , so you don’t feel you need to change it every year, so although l wouldn’t moan if my 103 was a 120 or whatever the cvo lumps are, it’s plenty big enough for me! Interesting that the engines are different enough in their delivery at a small change in capacity. Enjoyed the video- seems like a lot of commentators were having a grumpy day though!😂

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes good points. Haha some videos seem to bring out a certain type

[@erjang.5997]

Which one of this sounds better and louder and less heat ?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Erjon Gokche Pretty much sound the same but almost imperceptibly the 114 would be a tone deeper. Same volume. I doubt there’s anything in the heat between them tbh

[@erjang.5997]

MrDarcy & the Ol'Man thank you very much for the info. How about the heat ? Thank you in advance

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Erjon Gokche they both seem to produce the same amount of heat

[@erjang.5997]

MrDarcy & the Ol'Man your consideration is appreciated sir. Thanks a lot for info.

[@joshbishop4014]

18 107 street bob

[@mikhailmedvedev8737]

Hi Mr Darcy. first of all thx for your video, I watch them with thx. secondly like to ask your advice. I'm facing to choose FB M8 but in doubt which one , with 107 or 114. mainly planning city using (due to COVID) but occasionally going to hit a high way. thx in advance for your advise

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Both good but 114 probably best option because resale value is better slightly and it’s a bit more refined

[@mikhailmedvedev8737]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan much obliged for your advice. be safe !!!

[@sandhujatt2]

i have both i feel no difference

[@josephandreuccetti8043]

After being on a 107 its just not enough and if you think its enough then your limp wristed and lame the 114 is a wondeful motor and truly reveals what a harley should be

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Hence why I own a 114 heritage classic

[@jayvillaluz]

😂 150 cc aint much. You just ride like a little bitch.

[@jonnymac8925]

@@jayvillaluz who said anything about 150cc? 114ci...thats like 1800cc dumbass.

[@Crustacean_the_soup]

Jonny BigRig T800 150cc is the difference between the 107 and the 114... not like he claimed the 114 was a 150cc engine “dumbass”

[@TheAbreign]

You really sound dumb! Read stats....the Snappy 107 will throw you off the back of your seat..the 114 is more forgiving..just shows more pull in 5th or 6th gear.

[@donbalmori7777]

Hello Sr , So engine 114 worth it ??

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Don Balmori yes I’d say so

[@kevinmcdermott6207]

I bought 1 and love the throttle response. I did put a stage 1 on to enhance the volume of the exhaust.

[@Pointblank776]

now theres the 114 v 117 I would like to see your review on the difference there if there is any haha

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes we should have thought of that!

[@derfskittlers6125]

Pretty big difference. I think the 117 has a performance cam.

[@dennism103]

U Europeans sure luv ur harleys. Cool!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Dennis Morris Sure do bro 👊🏼

[@imonaslot1]

I like your thatched roof!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

David Bartlett Thanks! It does a great job actually but expensive to replace, which is crazy because originally it was a cheap roof covering. How times change

[@imonaslot1]

MrDarcy & the Ol'Man! Your videos are so inspiring! I’m English and live in Dubai! I was looking for HDs and your heritage video was fantastic! So I bought one! It has V&H big shots and there too much! Nearly bought the eliminator 300 pipes from watching your vids but picked up some Rinehart slip-ons and back to stock headers! Look forward to hearing them! Cheers for now! 👍🏻

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

David Bartlett Thanks David! That’s really nice of you to say 👊🏼

[@taeyangsam]

어떤엔진이 더좋다는거죠?

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

114

[@billgonzales8978]

my 120 jims will beat anything on the road? T man upgrade 145 ft lbs

[@vf12497439]

My stock 110cvo walks away from a stock 117cvo. My friend was furious when he lost by about a half bike length for each gear. Both street glides and similar weight riders. Bone stock, even exhaust. Harley’s claims of the M8 are bullshit

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

vf12497439 Wow really! That’s amazing. I do like the look of the 110

[@steveg56]

No way. Your friend must be a lousy rider. I would crush your 110 with my M8 107

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Steve Gutierrez I see a race comin on

[@vf12497439]

Steve Gutierrez sorry but my friend is on a CVO 117 and I’m the shitty rider so... your 107 will not run with my 110. Your bike has more emissions control shit than mine. Bottom line is the M8 isn’t what Harley claims.

[@steveg56]

vf12497439 i have no problems with any 110 ci so far.

[@s19hu]

I like your style

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Thanks man!

[@norbertdombai860]

I have a Road King Special '18 with 107 egne, 107 is enough for me.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes it’s fine tbh 💯

[@mytone100]

My FJR dynoed at 129 hp sold it when my Kawasaki Concours with a header and tune went 147hp with flys out. No being a jerk either bud just cold fucking hard facts.

[@martincvitkovich724]

this isn't about Kawasaki's

[@CactusJack252]

A completely different style of bike. That is like comparing a Corvette to a 2500 series dodge truck.

[@JulianJohnstone]

did it sound or look as good as a Harley?

[@SirNexxes]

No it probably sounded as shit and looked as ugly as a kawasaki

[@dh2392]

I'll take low end torque over horsepower all day, everyday. And I've had both.

[@marcopoulin1897]

The real ?? Is it tougher as 96 can you realy do the pedal to the metal as i did whit my 96 like lock the trotteul for hr in az or ne whitout release it i dont think so guy

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Marco Poulin I guess time will tell on issues like that. Thanks for your input my friend 👍

[@NigelsModellingBench]

I see you have a Harley and an S550.. just like me!! I only have an 883 though.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

All American muscle!

[@mytone100]

Sorry 1969 750cc trident 53. H.P and 40 ft.lb torque

[@martincvitkovich724]

This isn't about old Triumphs, as righteous as they are!

[@maxxbenzz7842]

I dont know what you are talking about? I told u I bought a bike every other year sometimes every year because I got 20% off and the private party values were pretty good. So I was able to ride for free. It has nothing to do with quality or tolerances for me. It was a matter of economics. Not anything else. If I worked at Yamaha I would do the same. This no longer holds true for HD. There is a flooded used bike market right now. Ten years 15 years ago you had to get on a list to buy a new bike and were paying over msrp. Now they are used boat anchors. If I worked at Honda I would do the same. I'm not a hater. Just speaking about facts. If I had no 20% discount I would be buying a Triumph, BMW or an Indian. Brand loyalty means nothing to me and that includes cars also. If you love HD good for you, and I wish you the best. If you ride any brand and you believe it's worth your money, more power to you. People forget how many foreign auto plants are in the U.S that employs hundreds of thousands of well paid employees. HD has plants in Brazil, India, Thailand thanks to their tariffs on imported bikes. Then people get pissed at Trump for trying to level the playing field. Idk if tariffs are a good idea for anyone, but this is the world we live in.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Maxx Benzz Yes the tariffs are atrocious! Regarding brand loyalty; cars though, not bikes, i was quite a loyal Land Rover buyer over the years, but now, with what they are making I’m done with them

[@maxxbenzz7842]

@@MrDarcy-OlMan yeah Rovers have become Kardashian jewelry. Used to be THE vehicle to have if u wanted to do serious off roading. Now they are over priced grocery haulers. They look cool though!!! Lol

[@likeaflash-b2i]

Best response ever! its funny how people marry brands, and they never try nothing new or different. they say they only buy American bikes , but at home their car is a Lexus lol

[@bobzapp658]

Your riding on the wrong side of the road mate!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Yes we are rebelling!

[@chrismarion4322]

We ride on the left because of the knights of old. Always ready to draw sword and battle to the right as knights could only be right handed. 👍

[@mytone100]

The 114 and the 107 does not have the same stroke. 107 is 4 3/8" 114 is 4 1/2" Hence the better torque curve. Even more magnified when built.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

mytone100 yes I did say that the 114 has a longer stroke!

[@mytone100]

I was talking about Louis C

[@vitalianocorigliano7970]

😱

[@RCredneck85]

I bought the fxdr so I didn’t have a choice...

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

HOT QUADS and HOT RODS Cool! How ate you finding it?

[@RCredneck85]

MrDarcy & the Ol'Man love it!

[@kshinn6032]

Then there is the 117 Stage 4...

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

K shinn huuuge power!

[@thatguycalledart6270]

7 cubic inches

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

ThatGuyCalled ART oh you do maths

[@RCredneck85]

?

[@rosicroix777]

The difference between the 107 and the 114 ? Well I'm no math wizard but I'll say its 7 cu . And @ that level 7 cu isn't that big of a difference . Price wise it can be a big difference for some people . I'll put put on my 883 & not care as it gets me from point A to point B reliabley & saves a lot more $$$$

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Percy Barbarossa it’s more than just a thing to get you from a to b! It’s not about saving money it’s about saying fuck it and getting something you love, the 107 and the 114 definitely perform definitely!

[@phineashenshaw]

Go ride them, then get back to me. Numbers and riding experience is not always linear.

[@97evo96]

My 80 inch Evo will outlast all those motors..sounds better too😜

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

You may be right 👍

[@germanengineering204]

You would be amazed at the refinement, and stock power delivery of a Milwaukee engine! Rinehart exhaust sounds epic on my 107!

[@misanthroposy]

You're wrong about the stroke being longer on the 114. Just saw a Harley rep say it's exactly the same.

[@regfeener]

Tell the Harley guy to get a new job..He is full of shit..Both the stroke and bore are larger on the 114.. Bore 3.937 in. 107 4.016 in. 114 Stroke 4.374 in. 107 4.5 in. 114 Displacement 1,746 cc (107 cu in) 1,868 cc (114 cu in)

[@theoriginalmungaman]

Whats with the L.B.G.T. rainbow pants?

[@theoriginalmungaman]

dbltrplx I know, there a little odd!

[@judeoko]

I'm British, he is either very confident in his sexuality or just an old cocky womble.

[@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234]

1970's technology in soon to be 2020...

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Jimmy_Jim_ Jim_1234 Less to go wrong 👍

[@MrJeka75]

also 107 is beter. ok thanks

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

MrJeka75 107 is nice and snappy

[@alanmyers5081]

7 cubic inches.

[@ddrrr8382]

You look very tall

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

DD XX Thanks yes 6’3”

[@TeensierPython]

7 CU IN!! i win!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

A+ math skills!

[@TeensierPython]

MrDarcy & the Ol'Man - rode a 107 softail standard. Didn’t like it. Rode the 114 fatbob a couple days later. Loved it and rode it home. Is that the difference between the engine or the chassis or a combination of the two?

[@ChrisH930S]

I don’t think you can honestly tell the difference in just 7 cubic inches. You’re fooling yourself.

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

Definitely can. It’s subtle but there is a difference

[@vulcanman64]

There is a difference however it’s minimal.

[@dylanmonaghan]

Consider me fooled. I suggest you go ride them both and you too may join us fools. : )

[@Benjamin911ish]

I’ve ridden the 107 and 114 back to back on the touring bikes and felt no difference. Maybe it’s more pronounced on the lighter bikes, but I wouldn’t spend the extra $ for a 114 in a touring bike.

[@MrJimmy1437]

Why not buy a Kawasaki and have some real power. I have seen the quarter mile time on the new eight valve 1800cc harley and its almost as fast as my 1969 750 cc trident was 49 years ago!

[@MrDarcy-OlMan]

MrJimmy1437 not all about speed mate it’s the lifestyle and the looks!

[@Sfcjames333]

MrJimmy....Because the faster I go the quicker I get to my destination. Then my ride is over, and so is my fun. Thanks but no thanks, I would rather take my time and enjoy the ride.

[@martincvitkovich724]

This video isn't about Kawasaki's

[@MrJimmy1437]

Fuck lifestyle and looks! Harley riders are a bunch of losers, who are trying to buy a vehicle , to make up for what they lack as human beings. I was taught as a child that it was wrong to be ostentatious , a show off, Harley assholes seem to think it's a virtue

[@MrJimmy1437]

It is to slower! Cycle World just did a test on the new eight valve Harley. It turned the quarter in 13.77 at 95 mph 49 Years ago with a 750cc trident I turned 13.22 at 105 mph. Harley sure has come a long way in half of a century!