#10MinuteTalk

In this episode, we go over 20 MOA bases (Or really any kind of canted base, for that matter - there are other options besides 20 MOA!) What do they actually do, how do they work, how do they actually affect your scope, why would anyone actually ever need one and what are some times when it could actually be the wrong move for your particular firearm and optic combo. Heck - your gun may already have 20 MOA built into the rail it came with! These types of bases can be a great practical tool when used the right way and in the right context. Check it out and let’s us know whether or not you use a canted base and why!
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[@Jeff_Seely]

Love the video! I have a couple of buddies that bought 20 moa rails and the reality is unless you are shooting a lower velocity, very long shot, you don't need it. Plain and simple. For most folks, the more that you can simplify your shot, the better you'll shoot.

[@wonderingtimesllc7203]

This is one great 10 Minute talk! Thanks Ryan and Jimmy. Love my Vortex.

[@bradschultz8830]

You guys are my go to for all the questions I have that I cannot find anywhere else. Thank you!

[@dandingfelder6763]

Excellent job describing a VERY complex subject!!

[@Flashhood1425]

I’ve learned a lot from these talks. Great stuff. Just purchased a PST 1-6 and the glass blew away one of my other LPVOs from a competitor- the center dot is really awesome. I wish I’d gone Vortex earlier on.

[@tallyman15]

Great information. Keep up the good work.

[@jheasley1]

Excellent explanation for the 20 MOA rail! I was always curious about details👍👍

[@mftoutdoors7483]

Phenomenal video. Just enough info, precise details and plenty to think about all our mistakes. 😂😂😂😂

[@vincentboileau1991]

Love your popcast! I must have watched 50 of them up to now and am still learning for my first purchase. It's my new routine since I just got my license here in Qc. Merci!✌️

[@TheWaterbouy88]

The customer servce at Vortex is very understanding and knowledgeable when I have called in with questions. I was to have clarity in making the purchases of the scopes best meeting my uses of them.

[@calebhurteau4230]

Ah..I get it..really cool..4 mins in and yall made it all make sense..

[@natehillyard672]

The gentleman that mounted my scope put a 20 MOA rail under my diamondback tactical and I did not fully appreciate what it did for me until now. I love these (not) 10 minute talks! You guys are the best!

[@wowguy3562]

I use a diamondback with a 30 moa scope base, I love how it helps me get on target easily at 300 yards with my 22lr, many 5/5 rounds on my 16" gong, its a blast to do it with a 22lr what guys are doing with .308's

[@controlledchaos8851]

Glad I watched now I’m taking back the warne 20moa scope

[@elijames932]

Thanks fellas.. Answered my questions to a T! 🤘🏽

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

I have 3 scopes mounted with Burris Zee Rings. Love them.

[@brandon1910]

great video. It's insightful and gives me (and I'm sure others) stuff to think about when putting a rig together.

[@Juliang61]

Awesome explanation

[@VortexNation]

Thank you! And thanks for tuning in!

[@davidjohnson3748]

This resolved my issue. I've got a Leupold Mark 5HD 7-35 and had a zero cant scope mount on a Tikka Tac A1, 6.5 CM. After zeroing the scope, I only had about 14 mills of adjustment on a 30 mill capable scope. I intend on shooting past 1200 yards. A 30 mill base has been ordered. Thanks for the info.

[@timmcfarland3311]

I have the razor HD 5-20 and put a 60 moa base under it and have 118 usable minutes of elevation 👍🏻

[@enigmatic51me95]

I love the approach of the #10 MinuteTalk...I dont want to watch three 30 minute ytubes on what I am trying to figure out...I dont have time for that!!

[@Hammerback972]

May be a dumb question, but im gonna ask. I just picked up a 6.5 creedmoor, I checked the picatinny rail screws for tightness, they were very loose. I went ahead and removed the screws to clean and chase the threads before putting the 20 MOA rail back on. When I removed the rail, there was a significant coating of oil under the pic rail? Is that normal? I just watched a MDT video and their shooter said he put oil beneath the picatinny rail?

[@ddgslegs4516]

What size are those scope rings being used for that Diamondback 🤔?

[@lonejedi55]

ATTN long range shooting masters,,, question for you. I have recently gotten into long range shooting first a .308 and now a .338 LM i have a 30 minute rail built into the gun and a 20 minute cantilever mount. I did not realize the gun came with 30 minutes already do you feel this is too much ( my intention is to reach 2000 Yards eventually) forward cant? should I purchase a flat mount?

[@elendal]

How do you determine if the scope at optical center? Looking at the mirror method?

[@ronws2007]

I needed a serious revision of my thinking, which was backwards. It's okay to have a 20 MOA rail, even on a hunting rifle. The big key is if you have enough downward travel in the turrets. Many times, with a 0 MOA rail, you may still be dialing up to get zero. A 20 MOA cant will give back some of those up clicks. So, it's a matter of preference and also the job for the rifle. If hunting deer at 300 yards and in, 0 MOA rail is just fine.

[@BG-qo8ol]

FYI, the first use of this moa + rail was used for short distances, so you could zero at 15 feet

[@wowguy3562]

You guys hit on alot of the major points for using a canted base. I am the 22lr guy, I shoot 300 yards and bought a 150 moa base to get out to 500 plus yards (I know 150 is a lot), I appreciate the comments about being optically centered looking thru the scope. I agree most people won't need a base unless they are running out of adjustments using their turrets. Good info on moa/mils simply divide by 2 to get your up/down usable numbers.

[@aquadonkey.]

What's your closest possible zero with a 150moa base haha? I dont ever see scopes that have that much travel

[@wowguy3562]

@@aquadonkey. I honestly haven't tried to bring it in, I'd imagine I might be able to get as close as 75 yards using all I have in the scope. Personally I would just use one of my other rifles that are zero'ed at 50 yards. I kinda like to keep the 600 yard zero set and just shoot long range with that rifle, the 150 moa scope base I can dial back to 0 moa or flat with the barrel, doable, but a lot of dailing, lol

[@wowguy3562]

@@aquadonkey. I use a Herritage Arms Coldshot 150 or 300 Moa scope base under my scope, my weaver t-36 scope hardly has any adjustments, so the adjustable base gives me a true 150 moa worth of elevation to get on target

[@MiguelSantos31230]

Just picked up a rem 700 in .308 and have a Viper PST 6-24x50 ready to throw on it but I’m split between a 0 and 20 rail. Using it for hunting and most shots will be inside of 600yd but id love the ability to hit steel at 1000 if we’re messing around on the range. Do I need a 20Moa rail with that 65moa travel in the scope?

[@jw3946]

What base mount is recommended for a Winchester 70 as not to cover the action. Full bases interfere with loading ammo. Please comment. Thank you.

[@rschwarck44]

Do a podcast on NFA items and NFA trusts.

[@mikeyhuerta9061]

Glad to know I'm not the only one having model 70 problems lol

[@jacobkelsey9794]

A 10 minute talk on carbon fiber barrels would be cool

[@VortexNation]

Agreed!

[@aaronduncan3776]

Summed up in a few words- looks cool, slightly lighter, doesn’t serve a real purpose.

[@1986subway]

@@aaronduncan3776 interesting take. 4 oz in weight can be the difference between a $3,000 gun and a 6,000

[@boedude8496]

good info. have a question tho. i just put a 20moa base on my 06. won't be going to the range for a while but wanted to see if i could preset it kinda close first. could you please tell me if my process is right or if i am way off? to calculate the approximate zero from bore level i used strelok app to find what distance would require 20moa elevation. plugged in a 1 yard zero with a scope height of zero. it showed 710 yards needs a 20 moa adjustment. so if i put my 2½" high scope on with zero elevation would that put poi at 2½" high at 710 yards? does that work right? if so i can plug in the right numbers and adjust for the scope height and preset for any distance. or if i'm wrong i will just have to wait for range day and start from scratch

[@sbkarmen]

also if your scope maxes out you can use the reticle and hold it over as an additon... but I'd rather have the proper mount and have a longer range availability

[@johanhagelin]

Great video, Question, If you have a new scope/rifle with a 20 moa rail attached, the first thing you do, even before boresighting etc, is to click down the scope by 20 moa/5.8mil to adjust for having the 20 moa rail attached?And only then you go ahead and boresight and zero your rifle, which of course could mean you may have to further fine tune up/down depending on scope height etc. Is this correct? (assuming you have mounted everything else correctly etc etc) I know some of you say you should always boresight first thing, but I dont understand this because you already know that you are "wrong" by 20 moa so why not adjust for that first thing? That should at least make your initial settings closer to the correct settings? Please comment

[@VortexNation]

It might make them closer, but it’s not going to be perfect like you eluded to. If that is just part of your procedure it’s certainly not going to hurt anything, but what very likely may happen is that you dial in that 20 MOA before doing anything else, then when you go to bore sight you have to take a bit of that out. It’s a horse a piece. Whether the optic starts at optical center or a predetermined spot, it’s going to need to be adjusted anyway!

[@jasonnellis3566]

Can you use it as a riser as well

[@fire360dude]

I want to put an Arken EP5 5-25×56 with a 20 moa scope mount on my Smith & Wesson M&P 10 6.5 creedmoore. Thoughts?

[@MikeS1944]

I have a FX Maverick in .22 caliber With a Titan 5-25x56. In your discussion you said that 20moa was not required. If that is the case what mounts would you recommend ??

[@mikenick4571]

Standard rings. I do believe the Maverick has 20 moa built in, my Impact mk2 does. 1000fps airguns can benefit from it, because that's so much slower than the guns these guys are talking about. Our 60ish yard drop is similar to a 308's at 1000 yards.

[@weduhpeople8504]

Just put an Ivey 60 mil adjustable canted 40mm mount with a IOR Valdada Crusader 5.8-40x56 going on a Berrett 416 model 99. In case I shoot out to 2k+ mi

[@joehunt4506]

Want top notch bases? Then get the Burris XTR Signature rings. Set mine at +10 in the back and -20 in the front.

[@mftoutdoors7483]

What is the lowest yards you can adjust off a 20 MOA rail.

[@johnpan78]

I put a 20 moa base for my Vortex 5x25-50 optic and I have a problem zeroing it. I am using a green laser but I have red one too. First problem is to see the laser light in 100 yards which is not possible. I brought the target to 50 yards just to be able to see the laser light. When laser light and the reticle point at the same spot, the shooting point is much higher. I don't understand. I spent 5000$ to built the rifle a few months ago but I can't soot at all.

[@DLN-ix6vf]

It took me awhile to understand this MOA scope business as I am new to shooting , 6 months so far. When you install a rail with say 20 MOA it's not the scope that tilts down it's the barrel that tilts up. So a scope with say 60 MOA total max. elev. adj. and a 20 MOA rail will tilt the barrel up 20 MOA and the top half of the scope adj. which is 30 MOA allows the barrel to have a total of 50 MOA adj. as it is already adjusted 20 MOA because of the rail. The barrel moves people not the scope. 😃

[@DLN-ix6vf]

@Old SkoolK-5 it took me awhile to understand what is going on but I think I have it now. Three weeks ago someone put a 30 moa rail on my rifle with 40 moa max vertical movement in the scope and at close range 50 yds we could not zero it in and they said my scope was NFG. I switched to a 0 moa rail and the scope is now fine. I was told however at long distances I would be good to go. TRICKY for new shooters to understand.

[@markrawson1435]

This was a great video. I have a 308 tikka with a vortex venom and I max that scope out at 1100 yards with a 0 base. I was hoping to it 1200, but could not hold it as nothing was left. So my trainer to put a 40 MOA on it.

[@stevedenruyter4902]

Would the cantilever help this? I’m waiting for a tikka 308 and want a venom with that base?

[@TierNoneOperator]

I have 50 moa under my scope on my long range 22lr. I think I "could" dial to like 700 yards.

[@Modern_Warrior_School]

Theoretically, would there ever be a situation where one would benefit from a negatively canted base (higher in the front; lower in the back)?

[@martingagnon4547]

Only if you shoot upside down!

[@DLN-ix6vf]

@@martingagnon4547 or right in front of you !

[@MrHercules222]

I don't need a canted base on my rifle, I know I can reach 1000 yards with the adjustment I have. However my scope has micrometer style turrets and the way it is put together, I can't get the turret back to true zero with a flat base. It's kind of OCD, but this is why I want to set it up with a canted base.

[@jeffflick4318]

Can you put a 20 MOA mount on a 20 MOA base?

[@legallimitoutdoors9917]

If my rifle is Zero @ 100 & I get a 20moa pic rail were do I Zero @ know? Thanks guys nice show. Oh yeah I'm shooting a 30-06 180gr Horn

[@wowguy3562]

I'm pretty sure if you would be able to re-zero back to 100 yards, you would need to dial some "down" into the scope to bring it back to 100 yards

[@chadmckinney8465]

What if the only base I could get that has 8/40 screws has 20moa.

[@jasonnellis3566]

How will it do to short range shooting

[@louiscisneros2871]

I have a 30-06 savage this will be for hunting. would you but a 0 moa or a 20 moa rail. I plan to 0 at 200 yards.

[@VortexNation]

With either you could zero at 200 yards no problem. It would really depend on how far you are looking to shoot out to. If you are planning on shooting 700 yards+ then you would want to go with a 20 MOA rail. If you will be shooting closer than that, a 0 MOA rail would be just fine.

[@yellowneck1028]

What MOA scope mount should I get for Sig Sauer SIERRA3BDX 6.5-20x52 Rifle Scope? thanks

[@kylecirincione6691]

I have the leupold 4x24x52 with a 20 moa rail my scope is really high be sure you have the right stock to accommodate the discrepancy, I had to add a sleeve on my stock I don't really like it

[@InfamousTactical]

My custom 7mm has a NF 60 moa base with a Nightforce ATACR Thus giving me 122.5moa of up travel. Most rifles truly capable of a mile require 80 plus moa to get there. I’m zeroed at 100 and can dial to 2200 yards straight up. But I’m using a Nightforce and Ryan hates 7mm so what do I know 😆

[@brettreddekopp6407]

Hey guys, if you zero your rifle right at the bottom of the elevation range, is there any downsides? The forums say it can hurt the scope, but what’s the opinion there

[@VortexNation]

You would be zeroed at a spot that isn't in the optical system's most ideal spot - the best optical quality you'll get out of a riflescope is right in the middle of its travel. You also are leaving yourself with zero room for error should you ever need to make a click or two further in elevation - you're already bottomed out - and you're going to have much less windage travel at the extremes of the elevation, too. It's really not a great spot to be in.

[@DavidGomezRgr3_75]

I have a Howa 1500 Tspx 6.5prc with a 20 moa base. I'm have trouble sighting in. I have a Vortex Strike Eagle 6x 25 x 56. I was wondering can a lazer bore sighted compensate for the moa rail¿ I'm new into long-range and new into shooting. I know I might have put the cart in the front of the horse but we were all there once. Please, any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

[@VortexNation]

You would be much better off pulling the bolt and bore-sighting that way rather than using a laser boresight tool. If you need any help, give us a call at 1-800-4VORTEX ext. 5 and we can make sure we get you all sighted in.

[@DavidGomezRgr3_75]

@@VortexNation thank you very much sir

[@musheghhayrapetyan8982]

What if the scope has ballistic bdc reticles ?

[@JakeHinds]

Is there a way to calculate what base you should run? Just picked up an R700 tactical, trying to find out what base would be usable with 65moa of elevation. Realistically only shooting up to 500-800yds

[@davidb7262]

If you are only shooting 500-800 you would be fine with a 0 MOA base. No need for 20 moa plus base, unless you plan to shoot out to 1k plus.

[@DLN-ix6vf]

I would say 500 to 800 yds that a 20 MOA base would be just fine and give you a little more elevation MOA. Any shorter than 500 yds. stick with the 0 MOA

[@ratcamaro]

I have a Vortex Diamondback Tactical SFP 4-12x40 with a zero MOA base on a Rem 700 5R .308 and I can dial it to 37.75 MOA and hold dead on at 1,000 yards.

[@DLN-ix6vf]

Strange as this scope only has 70 MOA max. elev. adj. which means 35 MOA upward adj.

[@ratcamaro]

@@DLN-ix6vf My scope tops out at 39 MOA elevation. When you zero a scope it's not going to be exactly in the middle of available adjustment.

[@Teeny686]

What brand of rifle is that?

[@brandondane4777]

I just got a 10.5 inch pof ar pistol. I Also have a colt 16 inch AR. I bought a PA 1 to 6 acss raptor What kinda mount do I need? I would like to have one I could switch it back and fourth till I find out what i like. I’m not hunting. But you know end of world kinda zombie deer gun. Just for fun thing. And I want to learn more. I liked the scalar works mount it looked Easy to put on. With the 1.93 And the AD mounts with 1.93 But PA glx 30 seems to be ok for 100$ and me not even knowing what I need it comes in 0 or 20 moa Any ideas ?

[@brandondane4777]

Ffp scope btw.

[@VortexNation]

Are you hoping to have one mount and swap scopes in and out of it, or different mounts with different scopes in them and you would swap the whole mount/scope combos in and out on the gun? If you're hoping to do the first option, then switching scopes in and out of one mount is about the same level of effort/time regardless of which mount you get. Any of the mounts you've mentioned should be fine. If the second option, then having a mount that's quick-release like the Scalarworks mount, or an ADM mount, LaRue, etc would be good. For what it sounds like you're doing, don't worry about getting 20 MOA - a 0 MOA base will do just fine.

[@andyshinn9239]

Ok..... 20 moa base and Burris XTR rings with another 30 moa in it and my zero is 200yds and it gives me enough to shoot 1800 yards with my 300prc.

[@L.V-Rider]

I saw some videos and site where the people recommend putting shims in the ring to adjust the angle of the scope. And then they give themselves out as "experts". That in itself can cause a lot of damage to the scope. Maybe you must do a video on mistakes like that.

[@samuelpope7798]

Actually, once upon a time , that was your only option. Scope tubes back then were made out of beefy blued steel not aluminum so several compressible aluminum shims made from cans of beer would harm them not.

[@L.V-Rider]

@@samuelpope7798 Only problem is that modern scopes are made of thin aluminium to keep the weight down.

[@samuelpope7798]

@@L.V-Rider pre elevated bases were a gift from the gods!

[@docbarcando]

Great video, I have a American ruger 270 win. With a vortex strike eagle 5-25x56 And precision rings medium plus height 1.10"/27.9mm Not sure what rail to put on it.

[@hubertstrzalkowski1261]

Question! With the 20 MOA base, can one make accurate shots at shorter distance? Let's say 50 or 75 yards? Or is it too much of an adjustment? Would I still sight in at 100 yards? And just have the capability to shoot long distance? If that's the case, why would someone NOT get a 20 MOA base? Thank you

[@VortexNation]

The biggest issue most people have is zeroing the center crosshair at closer ranges with canted bases - usually a 20 MOA base on most rifles with a scope with a decent amount of adjustment have no issue zeroing at 100 yards still, but significantly closer or with a significantly more canted base, it can become impossible. Accuracy at close ranges is a different story altogether since you can still technically shoot accurately at closer ranges, you might just need to hold on a different spot in your reticle, dial differently, etc. There are tricks to overcoming a lack of adjustment in some way or another with your reticle, it just depends on whether or not needing to do these tricks is acceptable to the end user!

[@hubertstrzalkowski1261]

@@VortexNation thanks a lot! Appreciate your time. Great podcasts!🤝🤝

[@wowguy3562]

you could buy an adjustable moa base, I own a coldshot 0-150moa base, I will be buying an era-tac 70 moa base next month, era-tacs adjust in 10 moa increments up to 70 moa, or the Ivey adjustable base which is about twice the cost of the first two I mentioned, I like my coldshot as I can keep my scope optically centered, no or minimal adjustments on my scopes up/down adjustments as the coldshot scope base adjusts in 1/4 moa clicks, that is approx. 4 clicks per inch at 100 yards, optically centered is like looking thru a magnifying glass straight ahead vs moving the glass and looking thru an edge, there is less distortion looking thru the meat or center of the glass

[@hubertstrzalkowski1261]

@@wowguy3562 thanks a lot man! Seems like that's the way to go. Appreciate you. Wish you tight groups ;)

[@EthanNoble]

Could just get an offset red dot for up close shooting

[@jineeshpr]

I have a 20 moa base. The negative side of this is that i am unable to zero it at 100 or even 200 yards, because it reached the max bottom range of my scope adjustments

[@DLN-ix6vf]

had the same problem and it was because the scope only had a max. elev. adj. of 40 MOA or 20 MOA up or down. In my case the rail was 30 MOA which means it would most likely zero at around 1000 yds.

[@jineeshpr]

Absolutely, this is a trade off we need to make for 20 moa bases

[@DLN-ix6vf]

@@jineeshpr I switched all my rails to 0 MOA and am very happy I did

[@olegk455]

I just realized what 20MOA base actually means on my Tikka T3X tactical and installing 20MOA canted American Defense Recon mount on it. I went to bore sight my Burris Signature HD 5-25x50 in my house to what I estimated to be a 150 yard distance and my elevation turret bottomed out just as crosshairs went onto the Center of the target to my complete surprise. And I haven’t even been to the range yet for some group shooting. How am I gonna sight that rifle now? Or do I need to sight it at longer range, let’s say 200-250 yards instead? My intention was to do mostly long range shooting anyway with occasional hunting trip in between so maybe it’s not a bad thing.

[@jineeshpr]

@@olegk455 yeah i had to zero it at 300 yds. Recently i changed it 0 moa base and all ok now

[@samuelpope7798]

It's a more elegant solution than gradpa's shims made from beer cans.

[@AsifKhan-xs2qi]

A question from the admin or any 1 on this channel is if a sope has 120 moa's top to bottom then some experts says that to utilize all moa's u must have a 60 moa base So now how to find in millimeter or in inches that my scope base has 60 moa's Those experts also says that from rifle top (where the rail, ring base then rings r attached for scope) to the scope base u must have at least 1.5 inches gap or distance or height Any video reference or answer here

[@VortexNation]

You most certainly would NOT want a 60 MOA base in this case. If your rifle required even one click of adjustment in the other direction to get zeroed, then you would have nothing left and wouldn't be able to sight in your rifle. All rifle and scope combos are going to use up some of the available adjustment just to get zeroed in due to natural misalignments that occur in manufacturing and mating all the pieces together. The other thing to consider is that an optic is not at its best in terms of optical quality when it is at the very extremes of its travel. The best situation for your optical quality is when the scope is at its optical center, so moving it 60 MOA away from that and having it there for your zero would not be very good. As for scope height, we have a podcast we just released on that as well - just mount your scope at the height that is most comfortable for you when shooting behind the scope and that isn't running into the gun. Pretty simple. If you can't get it just right without running into the gun, you may need to use things like a cheek riser or adjustable stock to get your head in the right spot, but don't sweat optic height too much.

[@AsifKhan-xs2qi]

@@VortexNation does any of ur video or videos answer my question or explains ur answer If I want to study ultra long range shooting or extreme long range shooting what video series I should watch so then I can learn that how to mount and adjust scope for elr or ulr Plz do guide in that respect

[@trevorhaynes1492]

I was asking for suggestions for a scope mount and a guy was adamant that I needed a 20 MOA base. I was looking for a scope mount for the diamond back tactical 4-16 to put on my 270 for hunting. Nothing really past 400 meters. Still was determined that I need one. Update: I don’t.

[@timmcfarland3311]

If you want to maximize your scopes potential you have to put a base on that is half the total elevation of your scopes travel. Ex. If your scope has 80 mins of elevation you put a 40 moa base

[@VortexNation]

Tim McFarland not necessarily - there are a lot of cases where doing something like that could actually put you in a worse situation. Maybe even not being able to get zeroed. It’s all situation and application dependent. If you’re going to be hunting or shooting at intermediate distances, there is usually no need for any kind of canted base at all.

[@dankcincy]

That's about the way I see it as well. I'll go 5 or 10 under that depending on what's available to be sure that I can get zeroed at 100. I like my scopes setup so that I have a few clicks under 0 but not much more than that. It 1, eliminates the need for a zero stop, 2, allows me to use all my elevation. What's the point of having a scope with 110moa of elevation if you could only utilize half of it? With that said, there's no point in having more scope than you need. The scope needs to match the round and distance you're shooting. 300prc will make it past 1760. 😉

[@dankcincy]

More plainly said.... I paid for the whole damn scope, I'm using the whole damn scope. Lol

[@lighturpl3]

If you really think about, it it doesn't make any sense to have parallel scope bases.

[@mr.mr.3301]

I’m new to hunting and this long range trend is making it hard for me. Lol. I’ve read for hunting you also want to keep the scope as low as possible. Right is u buy one pice rings and mount as low as I can. My rifles get beat up.

[@VortexNation]

There is no need to get the scope super low - just mount it up at a comfortable height for you to get behind when shooting. fractions of an inch in scope height won't have any appreciable difference down range.

[@mr.mr.3301]

Vortex Nation Podcast I have a big head. Lol so. I have gotten where I like a 3x9x 50. I’d like a 4x12x50 ish. I’m good with 45 to 50. I hunt East coast deer and hogs. I’ve learned a lot watching your podcasts. My best friend compete and shoots 1000 yards. What he wants vs what I want is different.

[@SCQT]

@@VortexNation Absolutely agree. I feel the fit is far more important that the height. Think its a bit of a holdover wisdom from the days of non adjustable combs and 100 yard shots.

[@livvyalice9323]

A d nightlights

[@frankdellatorre7268]

why aren't scopes made with most of the MOA built into elevation? For instance, if the scope has 80 MOA total why not have 60 MOA in elevation and 20 to dial down? Whoever dials down 20 MOA?

[@VortexNation]

It's impossible to "Build this into the scope" because all rifles, rings/mounts, calibers, zero distances, etc that affect where the reticle will ultimately be zeroed are different. When we talk about riflescopes and total elevation adjustment, we usually just assume that the reticle is zeroed somewhere near the middle for easy math and easier explanation in theory, but in reality, the reticle is almost never zeroed perfectly in the middle of the travel. There are microscopic barrel-to-receiver and other misalignments that need to be compensated for, scope over bore height that needs to be compensated for, zero distance, etc. If your zero, with a totally flat one-piece base is pretty close to the center of the scope's travel, you can "Build in" some extra adjustment and take up that effectively "Useless" space in the rest of the travel with a canted base like a 20 MOA base, That will physically cant your riflescope down 20MOA which, when compensated for with your elevation adjustment, would effectively do exactly what you described. Hope this helps!

[@steviebby]

20 Moa why not ?? doesn’t hurt and you may end up in the optical centre of your scope where the glass is best , if I’m buying a rail I just get 20 Moa just cause

[@tomnguyen658]

What rifle is that?

[@SCQT]

Its a custom backpack hunting setup. Not sure on the individual components, they were however covered in the light weight rifle episode I believe.

[@BG-qo8ol]

Wiith a 20 moa base , you are gonna need a scope with more than 40 moa of adjustment to able to zero .

[@olegk455]

What about a combo of 20MOA base and 20MOA canted mounts? This obviously makes it even more difficult to zero, am I right? Signature HD 5-25x50 has 65MOA of elevation adjustment.

[@DaRougaroux1]

Do you also have to buy 20MOA Rings for the scope if you have a 20MOA base? Nevermind you answered it. 20+20 would be 40 MOA....makes sense. So use 0 MOA rings if you have a 20 MOA base.

[@BG-qo8ol]

All bullets drop as soon as they exit the barrel. Gravity. Most people zero on the the first intersection of bullet path and optical view. With a moa base you zero on the second intersection.

[@badaceblackbelt]

That’s not really how that works. Depending on distance and sight height, most people zero on either the arc peak or the second (downward) intersection no matter what base or mount they are using. The only time you would zero on the upward intersection is if you are zeroing under 100 yards or if your optic is very far from the bore.

[@1986subway]

Wow! Excellent example of people on their internet Boldly posting nonsense!

[@1986subway]

First or second intersection is strictly based on the distance you are zeroing at

[@geoffjecmen6642]

You guys don't look like your maintaining a 6' separation. lol... just kidding. keep up the great videos.

[@davidkeith1499]

You'll that skewed windage a lot from mis-drilled holes done by an alcoholic gunsmith.

[@marlinbrubacher]

Ssssooooo I’m not supposed to use a 50 moa base along with a 6 mil spuhr mount under a gen iii razor to be able to dial out to 600 yards with a 22 lr?? I mean I’m not zeroed right on the end of travel yet somehow…. 🫣🫣.