#10MinuteTalk

[@bradedwards3438]

I *still* love how these #10MinuteTalks are all a half hour long.

[@TweakRacer]

Garbage 😂

[@Swampytheroot]

As a veteran with neuropathy in both forearms, I'm kinda the type person PBs were meant for. I drop drills and screwdrivers, etc frequently while working, so they're strapped to my wrist. I had to stop at least a dozen times at lunch yesterday to put down the knife & fork, and just drop my hands by my side until I could feel them again. It's absolutely maddening. I have to take same condition, far more problematic situation, into account when I use any firearm. If I pinch a certain nerve or whatever it is, I will drop it. I pray you never have to deal with this. Braces AT LEAST prevent me dropping a firearm when everything goes totally numb in that arm.

[@GL011]

Try lion's mane mushroom and omega 3 to help re-myelinate Playing guitar or piano will also help stimulate the process Best of luck, sir

[@estranho]

@@GL011I’ll try them, thanks

[@kellym3531]

I refuse to pay the non recoverable extortion tax while limiting potential resale customers.

[@brian_b_music]

Forget resale, I’m not having someone tell me I can’t cross state lines with my firearm, without written permission. What’s wild is you can drive all over the country with a suppressor, as long as it is registered to you. You don’t even have to wait for the ATF to say it’s ok.

[@alexmaurice4274]

Tbh I respected the rule before. Didn’t agree but respected it. The fact they went back on their word tbh has made me care way less about all gun laws tbh.

[@brian_b_music]

@@alexmaurice4274 I’ve never respected it , it is unconstitutional period. The only thing I do respectfully in regards to “the rule” is disagree.

[@SkeenDogger]

I had 6 months ago applied for a license to have a short barreled rifle. After the six months I got a denial. I was registering a CMMG Dissent and they said it needed to say "CMMG Dissent MK4" on the form. When I looked at my paperwork it said "CMMG Dissent" so they refunded my money not allowing a correction and I will have to wait another six months. I ended up just buying a pistol brace.@@brian_b_music

[@T20-c8f]

Ummm ok fed boys, A) why the hell would you speak this on KZbin lol are you trying to get your dog shot? B) Kyle Rittenhouse followed every law and almost went to prison for life at the age 17, what do you think will happen to you if you use your shib in self defense without following the rules? I’m not saying I’m for the rules, but I do admit I traded an 11.5” for a 14.5” pinned and welded dd block 2 upper to get out of the mess when all this went down. It’s nice to have my pistol as an option again. But use your heads or everyone reading these dumb posts, use discernment. ATF jackwagons entered the chat. Times are hella polarized right now, and come 2025 with the new red wave we know is going to destroy all unconstitutional bs this will hopefully be corrected and it will only take a few years. What we gotta do is get out and VOTE and help the cause however we can. Or go to jail, get ur dog shot, become the next CRS Matt Hoover, I don’t care. Do what ya gotta do. Just enjoy all the free food and sex in prison because right now the traitors in power don’t care about what you think. At least now you can legally use a brace again tho.

[@BulletSpoung]

Pistols with braces are also covered under your handgun carry license. Another big advantage of braced pistols would be, with SBRs you need to ask for permission to leave the state you're in, not with a braced pistol. Myself, I'm a huge fan of a Zastava Zpap pistol with a Bone Steel Arms tubular side folding brace, big firepower in a much smaller package. My mindset is, why go to the trouble of making a handgun bigger and bulker, I like making a rifle smaller and much more handy. My wife struggles to hold a rifle up for very long, so a AR pistol helps.

[@finngamesknudson1457]

I was recommending a suppressed AR pistol to my 80 year old mother for those very reasons. That and ability to mount large RDS and light and laser without becoming overly bulky. Easier to manipulate for those with arthritis or other mobility issues as well as limited strength and physical stability. To me it is the current gold standard for elderly looking for self defense tools. Alas ATF intervened.

[@Buletspunge555]

I approve of your screen name good sir!

[@ethan.amosberg835]

The nicest thing about the pistol brace was for a trunk gun as someone that travels through Virginia and north carolina i dont have to tell the atf that im taking my supressed pistol across state lines avoids lots of paperwork

[@jkellyid]

For me residing in a state that doesn't allow NFA items, that was my big love of them.

[@cameronbaker7959]

*ATF signs into the chat*

[@Segphalt]

What benifit do you get if you still have to alert them of your suppressor to cross state lines? One fewer thing to alert them about? You are supposed to notify for the suppressor as well.

[@ethan.amosberg835]

@Segphalt you do not have to notify when traveling with suppressors only other nfa items such as sbr sbs destructive devices or machine guns

[@Segphalt]

@@ethan.amosberg835 I'll be damned, I can't believe I took other people's word on it rather than looking it up myself. You are indeed correct. I've avoided getting a suppressor for years now because I live near the state line with my closest preferred range across it because I figured I would rarely get to train with it if I had to notify the ATF every time. Appreciate the info.

[@hailtothe_rooster1572]

We deserve everything we get for complying to “laws, rules, and regulations” If you want freedom… be unapologetically free

[@6030jdr]

Thanks boomers.

[@blessedbaphomet]

Hope that's a consolation when an unapologetic felony charge comes knocking. Just ask the guy in Mass. who got raided for his unapologetic online purchases and presence.

[@trollmastermike52845]

Well soon your dogs are about to get the Kennedy treatment from a 3 letter agency

[@HB-kp6rl]

Dont forget that if cant cross state lines with an SBR with permission from the crown. If you’re driving a few hundred miles for work, like pipelining or roughneckin, the pistol is a good idea

[@jaydunbar7538]

Or thousands of miles like a truck, been in at least 10 states in the last few weeks

[@HB-kp6rl]

@@jaydunbar7538 there is that also. Cant forget about all the drivers out there super truckin

[@Ghostgunner85]

Fpc thank you..

[@jbflyinglow]

Amen

[@rickcoloh9083]

Its not about crime its about control and division.

[@brenn330]

Braces are just so handy, especially when traveling.

[@peterreily1490]

I’m thinking what you’re getting at is those of us that travel state to state regularly can bring our braced pistol… where many states don’t allow NFA items like SBR’s and even if they do, you have to get a multitude of permission before crossing state lines with a short barrel rifle that’s an NFA item. I drive back home to Florida, I drive up to Michigan for work all the time. My braced AK goes with me no issues. If I SBR’d it I couldn’t bring it. Without so many permission slips that it’s not worth the hassle.

[@kellym3531]

@@peterreily1490 Iowa to Florida, with Illinois buggering it up.

[@michaelficarro2591]

I believe it's just one form from AFT to cross state lines with an SBR, and it's approved quickly, not that I agree with the whole process...@@peterreily1490

[@jwoo1800]

Rules and laws are different. The federal bureaucracy most definitely has the authority to make rules. Laws are passed by congress, rules are how the laws get enforced. The problem is that the bureaucracy has a tendency to use rules to expand laws that were never written.

[@fabiolean]

They can have rule making authority delegated to them by Congress. All of the executive branch organizations have powers delegated to them by Congress. Congress always has the right to overrule things but Congress doesn’t have the time or expertise or will to get in the weeds about bullshit like what counts as a stock, in this case.

[@jwoo1800]

@@fabiolean they have authority delegated to them within existing laws. They don’t get to swim outside those well defined lanes. Congress passes law that says drinking age is 21. ATF can make reasonable rules on how to enforce that law. They cannot however one day decide that they are going to start enforcing 20 as the new drinking age simply because the executive branch told them to. If executive branch wants 20 to be the new law then they can get Congress to vote on it.

[@zacharycox2014]

Only 5 months late on the video. Lol

[@-Tokay-]

8 minutes in, I was still trying to figure out what news about braces they were supposed to be covering.

[@stephencooper5040]

Mark Smith @The Four Boxes Diner also does a spectacular job of explaining the court cases and decisions.

[@AJKammerer]

I have that same A3 Tactical folding brace, and I love it. They make a great product.

[@Iceh4wkvideos]

Yeah they're pricey but great products!

[@brandiwynter]

Technically the Supreme Court is deciding the ATF's ability to make law right now as they hear the bump stock case. While the case is centered around the bump stock, the ruling will almost certainly address the ATF over reach and will affect multiple cases including the brace. The justices are likely to drop their ruling in June so cross your fingers.

[@GTA_500]

Trump should get as many votes as legal bump stocks were sold this year.

[@therealfruitninjasomebody8678]

Man, I really hope they are including overreach of the ATF not permitting limited eye relief optics on a pistol. Why do people not seem to notice this as an issue? I remember playing old hunting games with scoped out revolvers, now they want to call it a crime to put a magnifier on a pistol. It is outrageous to me these guys are talking the braced pistol on the table, and are seemingly unaware of discussing the limited eye relief magnifier equipped on it... Shouldn't people be alarmed that this could be used against you just as the brace?

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

Never had or needed a brace but I do stand by your rights to own them.

[@Scarywoody]

The carry laws in Georgia (probably other states) allow pistols to be carried loaded. Rifles and shotguns have to be unloaded (no ammo a fixed in a magazine or otherwise) and locked in the trunk. An SBR is state specific. Living in Georgia and wanting to shoot in North Carolina, I would have to notify South Carolina (drive thru) and North Carolina.

[@WillMegginson]

The 16 inch rule for rifles did not originate in the NFA of 1934. In the original bill, both rifles and shotguns were required to have barrels greater than 18 in. After WW2, the Army sold countless M1 Carbines which had a 16.25 in barrel. This was in violation of the NFA as they had sold, without any special paperwork, SBRs to many Americans. The GCA of 1968 redefined rifles to 16+ inches thereby making the M1 Carbines rifles instead of SBRs.

[@thorick590]

so, NY Gov Hochul who ordered the National Guard to help restore order to NYC Subways, has now banned the National Guard from carrying their long guns while on patrol. Guard dogs without teeth.. if they were allowed to have braced pistols in backpacks they'd at least be restored to being guard dogs with dentures (that you have to pause and take out of the bag first).

[@f-ducket4586]

The NG shouldn't even be there. NYC's subway crime problem is NOT a domestic emergency. It is the failure of NY and NYC's leaders to uphold law and order. They should be the ones to rectify that, not the reserve component of the US military. Same for J6. Every time politicians roll a component of the US military into a civilian area to restore "peace, protect democracy" or insert current media catch phrase, it normalizes their presence and waters down the importance of the Posse Comitatus Act.

[@elcidcampeador9629]

Do you want an unconstitutional standing army violating people's fourth amendment rights and carrying long guns while doing it?

[@TomL3grandsons]

Ryan was outstanding on Ron Spomer. Great job Ryan!

[@BlackDogOriginal]

Never went away

[@WayStedYou]

they basically said that at the start and at 33:05

[@drill_baby_drill]

I would avoid a magnifier on that pistol. That would infer a close eye relief. Stick with just the unlimited eye relief optic. I believe the original length was 18" but when lots of M1 Carbines began getting sold surplus they had to shorten the length requirement to 16" Hence shotguns still 18".

[@granitejeepc3651]

nfa gca 1936 was pre M1 carbine....reason for under 16in was because they tried to nfa tax all handguns...but didnt have the votes for that

[@lubrew5862]

No, not even close. You can find the transcripts from the hearing and see the notes of why they made decisions. In part it was what they considered concealable and what was commonly sold. The original NFA pretty much covered all firearms needed a tax stamp and was whittled down to what they thought they could get votes for. You can search on KZbin and there are various legal based content creators that cover the NFA. If you don’t want to read the actual public documents on it.

[@therealfruitninjasomebody8678]

I am aware of what you are referring and find it absolutely ridiculous. I remember playing old hunting games with scoped revolvers, what the hell was the reason for the change? It would be an absolute shame if someone was attempted to be charged by a rule simply because they have a magnifying glass on there pistol. I find the eye relief rule just as ludicrous as the brace rule. I like the conversation they are having but I'm boggled that they are looking right through that thing without comment. Educate yourselves a bit more gentlemen at the table. I'm kind of embarrassed for y'all not seeing another rule at the table that the ATF would say is being broken. As it stands just run a stock on that thing because the ATF would still consider it a rifle unfortunately.

[@alecubudulecu]

It should be pointed out that it’s illegal for government entities to tax anyone for means of profit or centralized interest just for that organization. Supreme Court decided this years ago. Think about that when looking at the tax stamp

[@ecobasetech4558]

And yet the whole SBR thing is still enforceable. I won't allow a tax stamp; regardless if it's illegal or not to deter me from owning something I want to own. Also the more people that do own NFA items, means the more they are in common use. That was one of the factors made by the Hellwr decision. I might hold of going the SBR route but I just purchased my first Suppressor

[@MrSoonermadman]

I disagree, you obviously don’t know what the tax stamp is for good sir.. EVERYONE knows it makes an unsafe weapon, safe again. It makes a scary weapon, not scary at all.. I mean for real, who doesn’t support that? Seriously though, I wholeheartedly believe that’s all this pistol brace nonsense stems from, them losing their asses on tax stamp revenue.

[@kevinelliott9679]

The vehicle cary issue and crossing the State line to go to a nice place to eat dinner with friends, are big advantages to the braced pistol over a SBR, in a performance package that is between traditional holster pistols and SBRs.

[@Funting3417]

Pistol braces are cool but you know what's better? The 340 weatherby magnum and it's coming up next time on 10 minute talk

[@jonathanbennison9220]

What calibre is the 'pistol' on table?

[@jP-nw7nm]

That VTX disclaimer was boss Jim!

[@ecobasetech4558]

People seem to forget that in most states, you cannot "conceal carry" a rifle; SBR or not. It's not covered under a CHL. You would need to have a "pistol" wither with no rearward attachment or one with a pistol brace to conceal it legally.

[@juhanivalimaki5418]

In Finland this goes the other way around. Small arm licences are more restricted. Long rifles are considered safer as they are more difficult to hide.

[@brandiwynter]

Abolish the AFT 😁

[@GTA_500]

Not going to happen Republicans had control of everything for 2 years when Trump was President they did nothing.

[@33SkidRowe]

The 16" distinction was from the GCA original attempt to ban all firearms less than 18". A big debate issued not to ban handguns. So the restriction was for all long guns be at least 18". When the DOD upgraded their rifle to the M14 and the M1 was made available to the public. After thousands were sold to civilians they realized the M1 is under 18". So they changed the rifle length to 16" but leaving shotguns at 18. Just to cover the fact that the Government was selling illegal firearms.

[@chrissewell1608]

Due to the fact No Laws stated they were illegal... they never left!

[@mitchellbryars9338]

Well they were completely useless if you couldn't put them on your firearms. So, might as well say banned.

[@Romanus-]

@@mitchellbryars9338free men don’t ask permission

[@chlebowg]

NC has that restriction on that you can't keep a rifle concealed in vehicle as long guns have to be out in the open. An AR pistol can be covered on a NC Concealed Handgun Permit.

[@granitejeepc3651]

you forget the other cattegory with brace which is a Shockwave equipped with brace....a large format pistol is way better for a "truck gun" with ccw holder or constitutional carry state as yes it is a pistol and if you cross state lines then sbr or sbs have issues

[@NightStalker8602]

FYI not every state allows SBRs or for that matter suppressors when discussing different firearm options/configurations.

[@jeremykissner2281]

They never left mine Identified as fishing rods 🤷‍♂️

[@andronuss]

Im from a different country and i can clearly understand the brace was designed to help aid people to operate a pistol who might struggle with the normal operation from things like injury or disability etc so why do people keep forgetting this hown many people would be denied there rights becuse they lack a tool to included them

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

If u go thru most our gun laws state to state, it's mostly about $taxes. Then what looks scary, or a way to handicap safety and accuracy. Evil laws supported by the ignorant.

[@Iceh4wkvideos]

Well that's true in original intent, The real reason they became popular and why so many people used them was as a substitute for stocks. Don't get me wrong, the ATF did is unconstitutional,but we all know that this was a legal loophole.

[@brr8888]

What model is that folding brace?

[@AM-fw4hy]

I second that. Never seen it before.

[@mitchellbryars9338]

My go to for info on this stuff is: Armed Scholar, 4 boxes diner, Armed Attorneys, Washington gun law, and John Crump. I also get some info from Guns n Gadgets and Mr. Guns and gear. Armed Scholar and 4 boxes diner are my favorite. Mark Smith from 4 boxes diner is an attorney that actually practices law in front of the Supreme Court. Edit: I forgot to add Fudd busters

[@Iceh4wkvideos]

I don't know how you can stand armed scholar, he constantly spams with nonsense updates that aren't really anything to note.

[@mitchellbryars9338]

@Iceh4wkvideos He's the only one I've seen so far that talked about the ATF putting in for a summary judgement against all the injunctions at the same time in the 5th circuit. The ATF is asking for them all to be overturned or at minimum the nationwide injunction on pistol braces.

[@Iceh4wkvideos]

@@mitchellbryars9338 plenty of people reported on lol, he just spams his video the most and rehashes old news.

[@asherdie]

They left? Where did they go?

[@josephjohnson9237]

I am a legally disabled person I have left side weekness. I have trouble holding andaiming long arms or heahy recoil hand guns if I am disallowed a handicapped accessory would thid be a violation of the American's with dissabilities Act?

[@casualplayah]

Pistol Braces themselves were Never Banned - you just couldn't attach them to pistols.

[@eagleputter64]

sounds like politician talk.... what other point does it have then.....

[@waltermatney6090]

@@eagleputter64 well it’s like Bill Clinton ones said , it depends on what your definition of is ,is .

[@dotmoredots9370]

Intention. ..

[@lubrew5862]

@@eagleputter64Actually that is true, and not political double speak. Counter to what the talking heads on TV tell you not everything is politics. It’s exactly like I can own a 10.3” AR15 barrel and it’s completely legal. It’s only illegal if I install it on a rifle.

[@skoolynugenator1802]

Sure you could.

[@therealdestructicus]

"There are good people who work at atf" And I'm done with the video there.

[@jrhunt414]

Enemies of the constitution, should be treated as such.

[@titanshub]

As a vortex optics customer, I give you my permission to talk trash about the ATF.

[@DaddyDaGuido]

10:38 GOTTEM LMAO

[@VitalArms]

“Just SBR it” .. yeah I live in CA. We can’t do that either

[@whalerlife53]

Move!

[@VitalArms]

@@whalerlife53 I don’t run from tyranny. California needs people with voices of reason to stay and fight

[@kylerobison1425]

Yes, it needs stopped. I’m in Colorado and California has infected us like a virus.

[@lurtiskoe]

i would be elated if within the next 30 years tons of rednecks move to california and change everything about how its run because the land is beautiful but your laws and politicians are the absolute worst in the country.@@VitalArms

[@mghegotagun]

So... are pistol braces actually back? Did SCOTUS tell the ATF to gent bent and I missed it or what?

[@anonymoussurname]

No one is being clear on this.

[@michaeltosser7363]

re: 16 inch, my understanding - Based on, I believe, Ian of Forgotten Guns, is because when the ban on short barreled-things was proposed, a great number of .22 rimfire rifles were already in the hands of Americans - And most of those, even pre 193-whatever - were at 16" because why longer on a handy little squirrel rifle? Shotguns at 18" was absolutely arbitrary, but the original goal was apparently banning of handguns and "concealable" long arms.

[@rappmasterdugg6825]

Phil ate a list. Say it quickly.

[@ixibladeixi2639]

Pistol braces are badass. Dual purpose…shoulder and forearm.

[@kennethmorrow5442]

Here is a question for you to research. I registered my Braced AR-15 Pistol and received a Free Tax Stamp. Can I change my now legal Braced SBR Pistol by adding a stock? Do I need to re-register my now legal Braced SBR Pistol to replace the SBA3 Brace with a Magpul CTR Stock with a folding device? My LGS said I will need to register and pay for the Tax Stamp to make the change. What do you think?

[@jeffcouncilor6621]

Just a ten minute, thirty five minute video.

[@otterconnor942]

Imagine if they didn't walk it back and we got the NFA repealed and the ATF abolished. I'd love to have a 6-10" 9mm PCC with a stock and a silencer without having issues.

[@Infoulnessyeshallknowthem]

It was 18 inches until the 70s when a surplus of 16 inch barrels was sold off by the US Army, and only after 500 were sold they decided to change the law

[@peterreily1490]

They’ve been back for quite a while. You’re like 7 months behind the curve.

[@333Kdigital]

I created a short months ago when they were really back.

[@tacocat6035]

I thought they were back like 6 months ago?

[@regisphilbinsscrotum6631]

Nfa was 1933 not 21

[@chadillac95]

My rifle stays under my back seat. Looking forward to doing an 8" 300 BO "pistol" so I can keep my suppressor on it while being stored

[@brandonsheffield4892]

I'm ready for a 10 min talk on Jimmy's watch collection

[@bobborlog1677]

My never left and never will I will never bow down to tyrants

[@jaydunbar7538]

The $200 tax wouldn’t even be a big deal if it didn’t take a year to process, I’d still be against it but the cost to me is far less annoying then the bureaucracy

[@franklinfx]

I never understood the justification to go beyond passing the NICS check... If you can buy any long gun legally what crime would any other permitting or background check prevent?

[@anthonyperez6344]

Like they say about restaurants, if you don't like the product don't give them your money..... I take the same approach with Taz stamps

[@GammaRayTrae]

I would have gone down the sbr route if it wasn’t for the you can’t travel across state lines without permission. I personally like stocks better than any brace I’ve shot but all this you can’t do this or that is to much interference on the governments end

[@ShockerMain2124]

Is that even written into the law or is that another "rule"?

[@seniorp9444]

A gun shop employee tried to talk me into the SBR process and told me how much better it was than using pistol braces. Then told me about time periods, sales restrictions, trust I’d need so family could inherit it…lol No Thanks!

[@Bedlam_6]

GOOD MORNING!

[@the1bulldurham]

There was a period when owning one, or the parts to re-assemble one, was a felony. Can we be prosecuted for that time period that we were felons?

[@beardoe6874]

Nope.

[@ronaldrey8474]

Pistols with braces was around in WW1 & WW2 a German one come to mind. And way before AR's

[@ESikora12]

Curious on the timing of this video…the initial temporary injunctions for those covered by certain 2A groups, and then shortly after the nationwide temporary injunction went through in November 2023. The only real news as of late that I’ve seen has been the ATF building and , as of a couple days ago, actually submitting their request to the 5th circuit court of appeals that all injunctions be reversed. Has there been new information or decision made that back this video being released and having the vibe of “let’s move on” that most of those following the brace proceedings haven’t heard yet?

[@BulletSpoung]

I would love to see a bill to change rifles from 16" down to 12".

[@nrf2009]

AMax is the best podcast guest.

[@toddjenest3212]

It's quite obvious that pistol braces are, in fact, being used by non-disabled people to circumvent the NFA-SBR laws. Either restrict the pistol brace to certifiable disabled individuals, or remove short barreled rifles from the NFA. There is nothing about "law abiding" when these braces were only intended for handicap/disabled shooters.

[@GB-4253-]

The rifle length was arbitrarily set to you 18". Then intentionally lowered to 16" after the US government sold M1 carbine as surplus with barrels under 18". Shotguns are still at 18".

[@TheDirtyvermonter]

I think that this our foot into the door of just getting sbrs and stocks on pistols made legal without paying a tax stamps. If there's already millions of braces on the streets there's literally no way the atf can enforce this law. And Many of these braces act as stocks, which they said we can now use them fired from the shoulder. The whole thing is just ridulous at this point

[@frankensteinfirearms]

Unless you have a 5inch CMMG Banshee in 9mm that’s an SBR lol 😂 perfect for home defense lol 😂

[@jodylivengood4061]

I've started calling them a Handsgun. Pistol caliber carbine is a fine term, but that is a rifle that shoots ammo that is more commonly seen in a holsterable and concealable handgun that can be used as intended with one hand. Pistol Caliber Pistol sounds incredibly stupid to say despite it being a very accurate description. I myself do not have a Rifle Caliber Pistol. HK SP5 in 9MM is what i got and yes i love mentioning that i have one. It was expensive. I'm poor. I also had the reverse of buyers remorse with it. Without a brace that gun of kind of stupid. I have the full size. My friend got the SP5K. Instead of SBR he went AOW. Put the original Mp5K front vertical grip forend on it and a binary trigger and its pretty fun. I also have the binary trigger, took the brace off and put the end cap on and it was kind of lame. Its also a thick firearm and if im going to SBR i want the collapsing stock. Theyre really expensive. Since i got the HK I fell into the HK trap. Only HK magazines and any other accessory will do. Remember Im poor. A stock being part of the gun makes it even more important to be authentic. There is a company that builds a gas blowback airsoft MP5 that is built for heavy use as well as the look and feel of a real MP5. Its also priced as much as a name brand firearm that you are actually excited to buy. They sell the stock separately. It fits on the break firearm. But the word is out and they are never in stockm then there is $200 tax stamp. I lent my SP5 to my gunsmith for a training he wanted to go to. He left me his SIg 550, I think anyway, maybe 551, rifle to enjoy while he was gone. He bought it NIB condition for $7000 several years ago. Its a rea Swiss gun. But he's shot the hell out of it and i was welcomed to do the same and i did. If it was SBR I wouldnt have been able to lend it to him. Hes borrowed it twice. The other time i got to borrow his HK93. I always have a lot of 5.56 ammo around. I fill my magazines with other calibers and maybe a little extra. But i search for and act on good deals of 5.56/.223. If at a gun shop with nothing of interest i will usually get at least a box or two of it. Those are two guns i cant afford and even if i could they are hard to find and only getting more so. Their prices are also increasing at the rate of abiut half of transferable machine guns. But i got to shoot both extensively. I prefer the AR. Its a better rifle. But those two are cooler than any AR. So neing able to lend the weapon to someone who is going to use it for lawful purposes can be beneficial to both parties. My AR is a pin and weld 14.5" . So its not a Rifle Caliber Pistol. Also that term can apply to a lot of firearms that are not in the space of the weapons were talking about here. Like some of those bolt action pistols peope use for hunting or competition. That gunsmith has one of those to. I think its a Remington but its 7mm-08. A real rifle caliber. So "handsgun" is really the best term i could come up with. Im not suggesting it become a thing. It sounds stupid. I typing this all out in hopes someone, anyone can come vup with something better. That is accurate. Braced Pistol seems okay. But the second i take my Beretta 92FS and place the serrations on the front of the trigger guard against a fixture of some kind to take a 100 yard shot it then becomes a Braced Pistol. Im not good enough to do it off hand with any certainty. But with that technique i do it for every shot. I also prefer that SBR's just become a industry/enthusiast term instead of a legal one. The worst argument that gun control know nothings have put out about pistol braces is that it makes a weapon that is more dangerous than a typical handgun, usually refering to a intermediate rifle caliber chambered firearm more concealable. Putting a brace on one of these guns regardless of its chambering does not in any way make it more concealable. That is stupid thing to say to say the least. My SP5 is not concealable unless it is worn under heavy winter clothing and has a 15rd magazine in it. I would suspect a AR pistol might need a 20rd mag for concealment as well. Adding a brace to such a weapon just doesnt help with that. Also the criteria for being labeled more dangerous is not ever mentioned. It is obvious that increased accuracy is the only aspect that could make that statement true. But they dont seem to know that. Either way not hitting what you're trying to hit is disappointing at best and can be very tragic at worst. That goes for recreational shooting as well as for necessity shooting. A lot of ranges its probably going to be okay if you send one over the dirt berm. Or it might not. Or it might be depending on what kind of firearm it is. Now ive never tried this, but at indoor ranges they usually have someone keeping a close eye on thing. You send one into the ceiling, perhaps into one of the suction fans they depend on to keep toxicity in check, they're not going to be impressed with it. "Well were really happy you didnt hit another customer or staff, now please if you would, get the fuck out of here" is probably the vibe you'll get.

[@fabiolean]

I am once again calling on KZbin commenters to use paragraphs

[@WayStedYou]

@@fabioleanI was thinking "it's not that bad" then I hit read more.

[@Romanus-]

My dude no one is reading all that

[@erikandersen5975]

Traveling with SBR interstate can be a problem,., traveling with a pistol ( w/brace) is less of a problem

[@AmesArsenal]

You asked where the 16 inch rule came from. I believe it was originally 18 inch barrel length just like a shot gun. Until the government accidentally sold a bunch of “sbr” to the public then changed the law to 16 inch’s

[@GB-4253-]

Shotguns are still at 18".

[@AmesArsenal]

​@@GB-4253-correct government only changed the rifles

[@WayStedYou]

when they realized a bunch of .22 lr rifles were 16 inch barrels they made it 16

[@SNAKEEATER1776]

Fellatio-ist?

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

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[@aaawman2280]

Broskys I just purchased a vortex venom, and got the vortex HD 1400 range finder for free, and the venom was 100 bucks off the normal price. I now own 3 vortex items the 2 mentioned and a diamond back tactical. Keep it up gentlemen. Deal was on midway usa fyi.

[@matthewgroseclose4973]

Abolish the atf

[@chrissewell1608]

Be careful what you wish for! They may replace it with something worse, an update the tax fee to current inflation rates of $4,300.00!

[@randomactsofriding4850]

I think saying “large caliber” can be misleading to non gun people. And honestly many of these pistols are still 9mm. I don’t think it’s very beneficial to focus on caliber especially when most rifle caliber are actually smaller in diameter. Overall people want smaller firearms with more points of contact. IMO the law should have never been 16 inch. 12.5 would be reasonable but still an infringement 100%. Imo they should just let people be approved as firearms modifiers and allowed to have whatever barrel length they want the person should be approved not the gun if we are keeping these laws which again are all infringements

[@SOG555]

Is it legal to put a pistol brace in a mossberg shockwave? Its technically a firearm..

[@sergeantdwz5783]

Yes

[@BenfromFlux]

16 inches as a legal limit came about because of an accident that would have made many people felons, so the length was modified to avoid that.

[@30rdmaga]

Innovation will always outpace the unconstitutional ATF. 💯🇺🇲

[@EUSA1776]

It’s been said, and needs to continue to be said, any law which prohibits an American citizen from owning ANY firearm or firearm accessory is unconstitutional. Any law abhorrent to the constitution is null and void.

[@Darthdoodoo]

Anyone who paid 200 buks for a brace when a better stock is only 20 buks should tell them that those people are trying to follow the law even though it costs waaaay more money

[@mitchellbryars9338]

Did he say the NFA been around since 1921? Pretty sure it was 1934. Did I miss something?

[@blakebeaton5821]

The reason that rifles are defined as having a 16" barrel while shotguns are an 18" barrel is because when the NFA was passed, both were 18", it was amended when the government sold a ton of M1 carbines through the CMP and it was pointed out that they were not sold as NFA items by the government, so, to "fix" their mistake, they just arbitrarily changed the barrel length on rifles in the law. All of this is made moot by the fact that the NFA and GCA were written and passed by Democrats to disarm minorities.

[@marcuskadau648]

Yall need to get on "guns and gadget's"

[@Vin_San]

For once Europe might do better 😂 (on one criteria) Any self loading weapons with more than 3 ammo OR handguns : B category of weapon, and they are all "kinda like NFA but with bk taw stamp or fees". Meaning : there is a log, and you have to do something on a website when you sold you firearm to someone else. And that's all. (Like transferable NFA registeres machinegun) Be frank, 8" .300 BLK AR-15 (or MPX) with a brace is a short rifle, it's not a pistol ! BUT you can buy and use those 'rifle' like any other cat B firearm. (Depending on your EU country, just at the range, or at house, or self defense, etc.) (Thanks to the Czechs and Polls!)

[@jonathanmitchell3733]

I just can't understand how any of the SBR, vs pistol vs rifle argument holds up with courts. None of the reasons for the laws/taxes make ANY sense to a person looking from outside. The Label SBR should not exist, It's just a firearm. Then if there is no different taxes/laws between pistols and rifles, you can get rid of soooooo much clutter, and legally it's just a firearm.

[@jamses23]

Republican Senator from Minnesota when the NFA was written didn’t understand the wording and made sure they added rifles which weren’t included in the first place. That’s why we have 16” rifles and have to register SBR’s.

[@jaydunbar7538]

Not sure what you’re talking about, rifles were originally 18” and shortening them was made illegal because banning pistols at the time was common and not yet declared unconstitutional. As with most of our terrible gun laws it was done to make it easier to prosecute mobsters who typically preferred shorter weapons for concealment and had no actual intent for safety as they typically claim today.

[@armeddiver]

You have to go back in history to understand the why and what of the NFA. The NFA came about as a response to the overwhelming surge in violence from the warring gangsters caused primarily by the illegal trafficking of alcohol under prohibition and the incredible advancements in firearms development at the same time. When the NFA was actually written handguns, both pistols and revolvers, were on the list of “prohibited” weapons along with SBRs and SBSs. Why were these weapons on the list and how did 16” barrels for SBRs and 18” barrels for SBSs come to be the magic lengths for these weapons you ask? One word. Conceal-ability. The gangsters routinely cut down rifles and shotguns to make them concealable under their long coats. Quite frankly SBSs were a much bigger issue that SBRs were at the time. As I said earlier, handguns were originally on the list because they were [concealable], but they couldn’t get the bill through either the Senate or the House with handguns on the list. Handguns were just too prolific. SBRs and SBSs on the other hand were actually only being used by gangsters and were physically cut down (usually with a hacksaw) rifles and shotguns. In 1934 honest people would never have considered “ruining” a perfectly good shotgun or rifle by hacking off the barrel and/or the stock, so no one objected to those items being on the list of prohibited items, thus they stayed. Today is a completely different world. The gun has had a metamorphic evolution in this from being a nicety of the “shooting sports” like a golf club in golf to being a necessity for safety and survival like an ax or shovel. Here is a little bit of trivia. In 1934 an elitist New York gentleman’s club, better known as the NRA was a huge supporter of the NFA and worked very hard in helping to get it crafted and pushed through congress.

[@CA_Outdoor_Reviews]

Please do 6.5 grendel vs 6 arc cartridge battle... could even use pistols if if you wanted haha

[@K-bob_45]

That would be the most LGBTQXYZ123 cartridge comparison ever

[@Honkers716]

​@@K-bob_45So what you're saying, is that you know barely anything about those cartridges but yet want to ban them from existing or anyone being taught about them?

[@K-bob_45]

@@Honkers716 lol I’m saying they’re both meh as hell. Neither one is really good at anything. 5.56 is still way cheaper and 308 is still more capable. Both 308 and 5.56 are reliable at full capacity in normal mags.

[@mdfroman2235]

They never left, Nancy

[@finngamesknudson1457]

Seems some of ATF’s technical staff had common sense and weren’t buried in political influence. Common sense says braced pistol in infinitely harder to conceal than a conventional pistol while being less powerful than a rifle with longer barrel. Common sense says they are no more dangerous and require no more regulation than any other firearm.

[@stephencooper5040]

7:37 the NFA became an infringement in 1934.

[@leonardvorhis838]

221 Fireball

[@seniorp9444]

If they are back when are companies like SB Tactical putting them back in production? Sold out everywhere. Manufacturers must be scared of them being banned again or they would be in full production…

[@jaydunbar7538]

Yes, they are waiting for a final answer as they don’t want the atf showing up and “finding” other issues to harass them about.