11.0 GUARDIAN DRUID Raid and M+ Guide | The War Within Season 1

[@theheebs100]

just a quick bear tank tip: the start of the pull is when you are the most squishy when you don't have stacks of IF running. To get around this, feel free to use your barkskin. You should have other defensives in your back pocket, and the cooldown is super short. consider it free to use.

[@anCuticula]

Miss the SL S3 2pc!

[@Tactyks]

100%, it can also be useful to start trying to bank rage at the end of a pull so that you do actually have some stacks running for the start of the next. Plus, if you have 0 rage going into the next pull do a quick shift out and shift back into bear form before engaging to get 25 free rage!

[@normannseils3936]

I mean that’s just the basic of playing tanks. Maybe outside of VDH where it’s a little more complicated. You always want to press a short cd on pull on almost every tank to get the ball rolling.

[@theheebs100]

@@Tactyks for sure, but the best laid plans of mice and men and all that.

[@lucianignatescu5345]

Also if I have 0 rage, switch to cat form then back to bear form before the pull, it will give you 25 rage. Barkskin then quick IF and you should be ok, the 2nd stack of IF right after 😊

[@HallowedBeThyGame]

Fantastic guide. Excited to follow your content throughout TWW! I'm maining warrior in season 1 but so tempted by bear and DH.

[@Tactyks]

Happy you enjoyed it, and I appreciate the support! It's definitely been tough trying to figure out what tank to play this expac, the hero trees are really cool for a lot of the specs and it's been hard to choose lmao.

[@clsque]

Druid and DH my chars too, hope this guys will be in meta)

[@chancejones7320]

Warrior is better than bear and DH rn

[@bobbyr5536]

So excited going to be tanking as a bear for the first time for my mythic team and this was exactly what I was needing!

[@Tactyks]

Happy to help, good luck tackling mythic!

[@Vexindra]

Thank you for spelling things out for people who are new to the role. My M+ group is shuffling roles for TWW and I volunteered to tank after playing havoc for all of DF. I was having a hard time wrapping my head around vengeance as some who has never tanked. I figured guardian might be easier to pick up.

[@Tactyks]

Happy to help! Definitely think guardian is on the simpler end in terms of understanding how the mitigation and gameplay works compared to something like VDH, so probably not a bad spec to start on.

[@zachsherer7159]

Been watching quite a few of your videos, I think I'm gonna have to try tanking. Guardian looks fun I'm maining a Druid this season. Really liking the survivability of a Blood DK so may go that route. Thanks for the awesome content brother!

[@Tactyks]

One of us, one of us, one of us! Glad you enjoy the videos :)

[@stevenvegh7964]

Been waiting for content like this on YT now that I’ve decided to main my Bear. Thanks.

[@Tactyks]

Welcome to the bear gang! Happy I could help you out :)

[@JohnnyUtah71]

I can only hope this is one of many tank class guides:) Thanks for all you do my friend!

[@Tactyks]

Got a couple more in the works! Glad you found it useful :)

[@Daddyfinger6]

Thanks as always! Made the tough decision on tank this season, going bear. was tough... between Bear, Warrior, and Pally.

[@Tactyks]

No problem! Personally I'm definitely still stuck between Bear and Warrior, gonna just have to play them both :P

[@Kronosbattlemaps]

Awsome guide. Loving claw druid so far. It's just more fun. Fills the class fantasy perfectly.

[@Tactyks]

Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it :)

[@eaberrydc]

Great timing. I have decided my first tank in tww will be bear.

[@Tactyks]

Welcome to the bear gang!

[@harrisric128]

And it starts. Great job bro

[@Tactyks]

Gonna be a busy few weeks! Glad you enjoyed it

[@chrisyoung9512]

Great work young man!

[@Tactyks]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@pbryant23]

Well dam. I was all set to start TWW tonight with my Ele Shammy then I saw this FANTASTIC guide. Now I'm torn again. I really wanna play Guardian DotC!!

[@Tactyks]

Guess that means you have to play both 👀

[@Gumblethebear]

Found this to work very well on beta. No Raze, but DotC with spreading moonfires and DR. It felt the most stable out of any tank I tested, but DOES require a shaman (Resto works perfectly for extra DR with ES on you). You lose alot of passive healing, but feel VERY sturdy against any type of damage. You won't be as self sufficient as bears were able to be in DF, but as long as your healer is awake, you are very easy to heal. Incarn is basically Mangle-Ravage for most of it, but during downtime you get to use globals spreading around moonfires, which do nearly as much damage in DotC as they do for moonbear. I was really looking forward to moonbear, but the tank nerfs hit its self healing so badly that DotC just feels like the play now. druid/guardian/druid-of-the-claw/DAQBAUFAiFUFERRalQEBQOVRAVKBVRlRBSQQBAEFVVUBQ

[@Tactyks]

I think the problem is that, at least for this build, moonfire only does a large portion of your damage because you're speccing out of/not using other, better damage options. Even in AoE you'd be better off swiping for damage and letting GG/Twin Moons passively spread moonfire for you, it'll take a few seconds longer but it saves you multiple GCDs of damage every pull which can be spent on other things. That being said, I did briefly try a very similar build and definitely think its more than viable. It was quite durable against bosses thanks to the constant DR and ability to stack that with a Maul TnC, but I found it a bit lacking against trash. It's just so hard to drop Raze with the current state of things imo, plus adding Lunar Beam is another CD you get to rotate through which I found to be quite nice for your overall defensive uptime.

[@Gumblethebear]

@@Tactyks Against trash? You are basically in 2 modes, Incarn, which is SUPER effective against trash because with this build you're spamming mangle-ravage while keeping thrash up and having moonfires go off automatically....... or you're out of Incarn, and doing a Mange-thrash-swipe-swipe rotation with moonfires still filling in for damage. This build is not pressing moonfire, except on bosses, but it goes out plenty for durability, damage, and rage gain. Lunar Beam is a vastly underpowered CD without the leech, extra mastery, damage, and CDR of EC. It is no better than it is in DF, when nobody, ever, took it. RotS is a better option, but the amount of nerfs it took hurt and you have to give up either stable DR or auto proccing MFs. Neither of which RotS in its current state feels worth losing for. As far as Raze goes, I've found that while, yes, Raze would be nice for fill in for Swipes during the downtime rotation portion to get a damage boost, it uses up TnC procs which if saved for Ravage procs, makes the rage expenditure for Ravage feel WAY less punishing to your rage economy. During Incarn this is a non issue, you're pressing your buttons like a madman, but out of Incarn, the combination of saving TnC for Ravage and having the rage gain from moonfires, made me feel MUCH safer M+ while letting my rage go to IF and ToI damage.

[@Gumblethebear]

@@Tactyks Ironically, the ONLY issue I have with my build is the level where Scintillating Moonlight is more effective than taking Ursoc's Fury and Elune's Favored..... both of those talents got nuked hard, but between the amount of Ravages I'm throwing and the moonfires I'm having out, the healing from those talents does feel unfortunate to lose. It isn't nearly as powerful as it was in DF, but it IS still a fair amount of trickle healing that can matter alot more in lower key levels than a 10% DR on MF. I will likely start with the healing talents and switch over to Scin Moon as the damage starts scaling, but I do wish Scin Moon was a 1pt talent....

[@Tactyks]

@@Gumblethebear I think Claws biggest weakness is outside of Incarn, so basically my entire focus is on making that time safer, as you said you're just spamming the hell out of Ravage in Incarn so you're kind of invincible. The biggest thing Raze does is help you with consistency, which is currently Claws weakness. You can get unlucky outside of Incarn and got extremely long without getting a Ravage proc, which is extremely painful. Spending TnC procs on Raze here not only gives you a massive damage boost over pressing swipe/holding for a Ravage proc, but it also is the only way to spread the TnC DR to the entire pack when you don't have Ravage available, giving you an additional DR. So basically it's 1 talent point that gives you similar DR as the Moonfire talent while also increasing your DPS. Assuming you take Raze then, you only have 1 talent point to play around with, and your choices are kind of mediocre. Ursoc's Fury and Elune's Favored are very nerfed as you mentioned, so that leaves you with the ability to take 1 point in Moonfire DR or Lunar Beam, and imo Lunar Beam is the best option in that case. While it itself is no different than live, people don't take it because talents like Ursoc's and Elune's are significantly better before the recent nerfs, with them knocked down a peg Lunar Beam looks a lot better as a single point investment in my eyes.

[@Gumblethebear]

@@Tactyks Agreed on the biggest weakness issue. I can see your argument for Raze, and it is a fair one. I could see an argument being made to save 1 TnC proc for Ravage during the downtime while spending any additional, since it stacks to 2, or any that are about to fall off, on Raze. Though I think, even nerfed, that RotS is a better defensive talent that base Lunar Beam if you are going to spend that extra 1pt somewhere. Me personally, I want the DR from Scin Moon and am working on fixing the lack of Ravage problem with a heavy haste gear plan and my locked in Resto Shaman healer for Skyfury.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

Bear is life!!! Going Crit Vers all the way again.

[@normannseils3936]

Bear without haste is a crime.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

20% Haste enough for me 10 % mastery rest goes to crit/vers

[@normannseils3936]

@@jonathanalvar1234 PvP gear (haste/vers) is perfectly statted basically if you can reach your haste goal. Mastery and crit I dump and just take it what’s on the gear. Crit is the worst stat (in terms of defensive) but you get so much mastery from Lunar Beam you don’t need to prio it. I just like having a very short GCD on every specc. That why I don’t like BDK this season, since it doesn’t like haste anymore. And I really don’t care about SIM Dps, I’ll get haste to my liking and then stats that give the best survival.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

@@normannseils3936 was doing 12s with 50% crit 40vers 20 Haste 10 mastery

[@jonathanalvar1234]

It went so smooth todo much healing and dps, using Howling rune and the proc haste enchantment.

[@scribblywibbly1828]

I don’t even have swipe key bound or on a bar and I’m not about to change that 😅 healer main but love my little moon bear teddy tank. Every healer/tank should try the opposite role at least for me it’s helped me improve even though I don’t play optimally, as a casual only ksm/ksh player I’m having fun. I couldn’t imagine being a good/ high m+ player or mythic raider respect to those of you that do and thanks for the guides ❤

[@Tactyks]

You are definitely not missing much without Swipe hahaha. 100% agree that trying out different roles gives some solid perspective for everyone and is a great thing to do if people are looking to improve!

[@ella6547]

@@Tactyks That seems crazy. I've just returned to wow since leaving after Sha of Fear in Panderia and doing heroic dungeons atm with my bear - swipe is 100% for when you are walking from pack 1 to whichever pack you stop and aoe on (like 4-7 depending on the dungeon).

[@Tactyks]

@@ella6547 Nah you're much better off pressing buttons that actually generate rage or do damage, even if they aren't going to hit the entire pull you plan on creating. Swipe (especially for Elune's Chosen) is as close to a wasted GCD as you can get, only pulling ahead in very large pull sizes specifically for damage output.

[@weirdodude1173]

Bears running wild!

[@Tactyks]

Love to see it!

[@lilpuddin1560]

Can't wait to be an intergalactic alien space bear spewing monfires and lunar beams everywhere haha

[@Tactyks]

Amen!

[@ka1eskards679]

Trying tanking this xpac, leveled as guardian and my god EC is so much fun.

[@Tactyks]

Welcome to the club! EC gameplay is definitely really satisfying, Lunar Beam feels super impactful and who doesn't like calling down lasers?

[@yaakovlandy6135]

Thank you for all your work and effort on these guides. Are you making a VDH guide? Been a lock for many expansions and wanted a fun non button bloated tank to try. Is VDH the answer or is there anther class you would recommend?

[@Tactyks]

VDH is definitely a solid choice, all depends on what gameplay you're interested in. For example I'm a big fan of Prot Warrior, the mitigation is fairly straightforward and the gameplay is fast and engaging, though that may be a downside if you're looking for something a bit slower. VDH/Guardian definitely have fewer rotational buttons than some other tanks, but VDH has quite a few mitigation related buttons and a maintenance buff which can make it a bit more complicated in terms of defensiveness, so if that interests you then go for it! In terms of the guide it's on my list of things to make but we'll see if I get too crunched on time before the season starts to actually make it hahaha.

[@mohammad-zabih]

ROARRR :D Ty tactyks

[@Tactyks]

Of course friend :)

[@ThomasBachler01]

I have never considered taking Gory Fur without taking Survival of the Fittest. Surprised to see you put a point there over Ursoc's Endurance and Dream of Cenarius. I think Gory Fur might be the weakest talent in the whole tree.

[@Tactyks]

That's definitely an option, probably should've mentioned it as one of your more flexible points!

[@DeomeGaming]

Awesome! Thanks man!

[@Tactyks]

No problem at all!

[@KevinMcCoy87]

Hey Tactyks are you going bdk for broodkeepr? Not sure you’ll see this on old video, but we’re starting prog tonight and I’m looking to make a super tanky dotc or eclipse build for raid while we learn this wall of a boss

[@Tactyks]

Yup I've geared up DK for brood, for bear though I think I'd favour an Elune's Chosen build just because the consistency of having lunar beam always up when needed is very good.

[@KevinMcCoy87]

@@Tactyks thanks very much!

[@Tactyks]

@@KevinMcCoy87 No problem!

[@Schrogs]

Here’s a question for you, well I guess it’s more of a thought. What about staying in cat for a little bit longer for the faster auto attacks if you don’t have a ravage proc. Like attack until you proc and then go back into bear and hit ‘em with all your spells off cd. It’s something I have thought of but seems so hard to test. Just a thought!!! Ofcourse my haste is low so my bear autos don’t seem to get me a ton of ravage lol

[@Tactyks]

Unfortunately the proc rate of Ravage is actually different for cat form vs bear form since their attack speeds are different, so you're actually better off staying in bear form to maximize procs.

[@Schrogs]

@@Tactyks WHATTTTT WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT?? Wow that is sooo lame. Okay that’s great to know. Thanks!!!!

[@Tactyks]

@@Schrogs Happy to help! It's actually hidden away in the spell data so not really obvious that it functions that way.

[@bearhorn1755]

Question, at about 13:30 you mention not shape shifting for M+ for Druid of the claw, and while that makes sense in my mind for trash packs between bosses wouldn’t it still be useful to shift on bosses to apply the empowered rips? Awesome guide and appreciate your inputs as always as one of my go-to tank content creators!

[@Tactyks]

The biggest problem with the catweaving is the fact that it requires such a heavy investment of class tree points, even if you just want Rake and Rip you still need to give up utility that you'd rather keep which is tough. Paired with the fact that you miss out on the benefits of Empowered Shapeshifting for a moderate damage boost on bosses only makes it an expensive choice to make currently.

[@jerrythesometimesmerry5099]

which bear form is the best for pushing keys? im thinking of playing the purple balance of power tint so i hope its not underperforming :/ good video

[@Tactyks]

That's a tough question, it's definitely highly variable depending on both the dungeon and your group comp. For example, blue is the clear winner in a dungeon like Stonevault because of all the lava, but I think purple is generally pretty competitive across the board.

[@jonathanalvar1234]

White OG Bear of course with the elixir to look like a Monster.

[@Rgeezyy]

Sorry this might be a stupid question guys but wdym bear form for pushing keys? Are you guys talking about the bear skin? Does it affect stats and stuff?

[@jerrythesometimesmerry5099]

@@Rgeezyy the bear form you use has no effect on your stats dont worry i was just joking friend

[@Tactyks]

@@Rgeezyy Yeah just the skin, it has no impact on stats or anything just joking around :P

[@flipperautomaten]

Since Swipe hits like a noodle, my Druids note in the guild is "Noodleweaver"

[@Tactyks]

I think that's insulting to noodles :P

[@flipperautomaten]

@@Tactyks Hahahaha :D

[@Hatim.san7]

I love your videos , I hope you gonna do guide for brewmaster.

[@Tactyks]

Glad you enjoy them! Unfortunately I'd say I'm not experienced enough to put out a guide on Brew at the level I'd want it to be at, but if you haven't yet I would definitely recommend checking out Equinox/Equinoxmonk as he makes some great brewmaster specific content.

[@wm1573]

Yeah definitely check equinox out. Probably the best BM KZbinr out there in terms of skill and knowledge for the spec

[@cookiemanprime9511]

Helloooooooooo, amazing video but I wanted to take your opinion on something. What do you think is better for high key pugs, prot warr or bear, and why?

[@Tactyks]

Honestly hard to say, I think Pwar is a bit more tanky and stable, but Bear brings the better raid buff and utility. If you're pugging keys for title it'll always be easier if you're playing the "meta" tank, but its a bit too early to say what that will be.

[@cookiemanprime9511]

@Tactyks I want to get to 3k mythic score like I did with my VDH. And I did this by playing with bugs. With tank nerfs I just want to find the tank that won't suffer from bad dps players or healers, that why I want to know if bear or prot warr is more reliable with pugs.

[@Tactyks]

@@cookiemanprime9511 I think both will be fine to get 3k, it just kind of depends if you want more group utility for pugging (which is bear) or to be a bit more stable yourself (which is pwar)

[@cookiemanprime9511]

@Tactyks hmm, I see the difference now, and I think I may go prot warr for safety measures, thank you so much for showing me the difference for both of these tanks😘😊

[@Tactyks]

@@cookiemanprime9511 Of course, happy to help!

[@MaryannLynch-z9c]

My Bear could be my main again, always find myself going back.

[@Tactyks]

Same here hahaha, it's been a couple patches but I think it's time to get back to it!

[@lukestone6437]

I notice you didn’t mention the regrowth proc in the defensives. Has it been removed? I found that to be a great way to keep above 80% health or give healers an aid on the dps when things get hairy.

[@Tactyks]

Still a thing! It's a little risky to take at the moment because the macro that prevented you from shifting out of bear form if you accidentally double tap it has been broken for a little while now, but still a talent you can grab in exchange for brambles if you want a bit more off-healing.

[@Schrogs]

5:17 okay but if this was a rant video I would be all for it 😂😂😂 I think all of us druids cringe at the talent tree. So stupid that I have like 5 spells I will never use or if there is one spell I want, I have to completely over commit for it. Grrrrrrrrrr please blizzard fix this

[@Tactyks]

Surely the 4th iteration of the druid class tree will fix it :)

[@Schrogs]

@@Tactyks hahaha don’t make me laugh out loud like that when I’m drinking water man I almost died

[@FensGaming]

What are you maining for raid?

[@Tactyks]

Not set in stone but looking like it could be Guardian!

[@FensGaming]

@@Tactyks sad day but i get but playstyle is painfully boring and feels brain dead no offense just not a enjoyable tank to play lol

[@FensGaming]

@@Tactyks thought you guys would double bdk or bdk amd warrior

[@Tactyks]

@@FensGaming Lunar bear is definitely super simple, but I'm excited for some weaving to be making a comeback, even if its not the same as it was back in SL

[@luisdellinger3996]

Heya @Tactyks you have a w/a that tracks certain procs and displays a pulsating animation, looks like a Moonbeam and something else, can you link it?

[@Tactyks]

The main WA pack I use is linked in the description, other than that I have blizzard default auras on for Tooth and Claw and Galactic Guardian procs, hopefully what you're looking for is one of those things!

[@purgatory3165]

Are you going to main bear?:)

[@Tactyks]

It's definitely one of the top choices atm, will see what heroic week tuning brings before 100% committing.

[@TheNitram8]

is weaving risky? Cant you get oneshot in higher keys?

[@Tactyks]

It's definitely more risky in M+ than in Raid, which is why I don't recommend playing the weaving talents in keys. That being said on boss fights you should be more than fine to still do your rake + rip rotation because you do maintain a lot of your defensives while in cat form, as long as you don't do it when a tank buster is happening you shouldn't have issues.

[@soapystud24]

How many stacks of iron fur do you usually try to go for?

[@Tactyks]

Depends, in general if you're taking physical damage its at least one, but outside of that it's mostly just a "don't cap on rage" situation so whatever number of stacks that gets you to, which varies depending on target count.

[@Holy_Waffles]

Also fairly easy to park your fuzzy butt on some training dummies and pool rage to check the value of each stack by hovering over your armor value on the character window.

[@VintagePete]

are u doing one for vdh? merci frerot

[@Tactyks]

It's on the list currently but we'll see how crunched for time I get, will try my best!

[@supra4622]

I feel like I'm missing something, in AOE it doesn't seem like GG buff is being consumed passively, I continue to have the buff when it procs. Is it not worth using that proc?

[@Tactyks]

Basically how it works is that your new proc of GG consumes the old one ONLY if you have Twin Moonfire and are in AoE. So in AoE it looks like you constantly have the buff, but each proc is actually being used the same moment you get a new proc. That means its not worth it to use the proc as it would be a wasted global whenever you do since they end up using themselves passively.

[@supra4622]

@@Tactyks Ahhh, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation!

[@Tactyks]

@@supra4622 No problem!

[@akxeros5895]

Would you recommend Bear or BDK for PUG players?

[@Tactyks]

Tough call this early, on one hand as a BDK you never need to rely on your healer for assistance which is really nice when pugging, but on the other hand if Bear ends up being the meta tank for high keys there may be a trickle down effect into pug keys causing it to be easier to get invites on, though that isn't guaranteed. Pros and cons to both, so it may be a "pick the one you like better" angle if you have a preference.

[@Gumblethebear]

At the start, BDK, because the lower the level of key, the more BDK excels...... as keys start to get higher, Bear will win out. So it depends how high you want to go. If you're planning on doing at least 10+, I'd go with bear, but anything below that, BDK is an excellent choice.

[@akxeros5895]

@@Gumblethebear Well, I don't plan on pushing in the progressive area, but I still like a challenge, which is why I'm wavering between the two

[@Gumblethebear]

@@akxeros5895 Unless you are planning on push up above 10s, BDK is perfectly fine. Bear is good too, so pick based on what you like.

[@akxeros5895]

@@Gumblethebear I think i go with Bear. I was pretty overwhelmed with the ton of def cds of the dk. I am pretty new/back into tanking, even I am a wow veteran. Last time I tanked was in wotlk with totc. Was just worried of the bad states of the dps speccs of druid :D

[@benh6455]

Great guide thanks. I like your WA pack, are you able to share it?

[@Tactyks]

Yes! Thank you for the reminder to add it to the description hahaha. Here's the link: wago.io/SxtL3oAQR

[@benh6455]

@@Tactyks awesome, thanks man

[@Tactyks]

@@benh6455 No problem!

[@guidozappi9224]

did they revert the change on galactic guardian? cuz right now im on the dummies in valdrakken and it seems that it generates the rage even if you are not pressing moonfire...

[@Tactyks]

It still works if you are talented into Twin Moonfire and have a 2nd target, as for some reason the additional moonfire created by the GG proc by Twin Moonfire will use the existing GG proc you have instead of wasting it.

[@guidozappi9224]

@@Tactyks indeed i was trying on single target and wasnt giving me any rage, as soon as im on multi target dummies the twin moonfire give me rage, hope they don't fix it cuz in Tww with the hero talent we are generating tons of rage with gg and hero O.o

[@robertllamas5514]

What ties you to bringing guardian is that the other specs suck.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah having the raid buff at least has that benefit!

[@chancejones7320]

What do you need to do to get that pvp armor!?!?

[@Tactyks]

I recorded this on the beta servers, so you could just grab it all for gold. On live servers I believe you'll be able to buy them with conquest starting next week.

[@zgods_clipz7705]

Are we getting any bear forms back ?

[@Tactyks]

I don't believe there are any new bear forms coming with TWW launch if that's what you mean.

[@normannseils3936]

I would personally drop vicious cycle in favour of the second point in fury of nature. 10% on your arcane abilities is much more valuable than the around 20% on raze, mangle.

[@Tactyks]

Based on sims Vicious Cycle is definitely more worthwhile damage-wise than Fury of Nature. That does assume you actually play the rotation properly of course, but I kind of have to make that assumption when recommending builds haha.

[@normannseils3936]

@@Tactyks if I ever have to sim my tank I’m quitting the game. I make my own decisions :D you need to have pin-perfect globals for cycle to be competitive. If you ever „waste“ any on utility or survival it doesn’t work out like that anymore, while the other one not only has some defensive value it’s also always providing value. I don’t think sims take into account actual gameplay in dungeons.

[@Tactyks]

@@normannseils3936 Generally I'd agree to be wary of "simbait" in terms of talent decisions, especially when it comes to survivability and utility, but thats not at all what we're talking about here. In this case we're comparing 2 damage talents, so yes sims tell you exactly which is better without any weird caveats because its 1-for-1. Also you do not need perfect globals to make Vicious Cycle better, just to be doing your rotation generally correctly with plenty of room for utility spells and even missteps.

[@MaxC.94]

l a z e r b e a r

[@Tactyks]

laser gang rise up!

[@loktartrevor2186]

Anyone know where i can find like an Ironfur Tracking addon and one to make my defensive tick down in bigger boxes on my screen, tired of looking in the top right corner to track my things

[@Tactyks]

The full WeakAura profile is available on my wago, the ironfur bar is in there but you can take it out if you dont want the rest of it! wago.io/SxtL3oAQR

[@bengiyardimli1925]

4:18 Isn’t there a range increase talent in the other tree for trash?

[@Tactyks]

Unfortunately not, it was changed to only increase spell range (so no longer effects cat or bear abilities)

[@bengiyardimli1925]

@@Tactyks no what i mean is you have Untamed Savagery under the Guardian tree which increases the radius and damage of Trash by 25%.

[@Tactyks]

@@bengiyardimli1925 Ah, Untamed Savagery is just very poorly tuned compared to Rend and Tear so you never pick it.

[@kickin123]

If I really really REALLY hate the ToI builds/gameplay am i losing out on a lot of dmg by not taking it? I'm ok sacrificing like a couple percent but would start feeling bad if it was 5-10% behind... But man i hate ToI spam... such a degenerate bear playstyle...

[@Tactyks]

I believe on average the non ToI builds are ~8% behind, so not unviable but definitely a decent chunk of damage. Totally understand you though, I also personally prefer builds without ToI if I have the choice.

[@jambogamer-je2nf]

big mistake to get these talents for elune chosen. you dont need most of these stuff, and also you dont need haste anymore, critical strike and mastery/versatility are a more valuable setting.

[@Tactyks]

That is incorrect

[@jambogamer-je2nf]

@@Tactyks there is only 1 reason haste is needed, and that reason isnt present in the elunes chosen setting.

[@normannseils3936]

Every specc without haste is terrible to play. That’s another reason.

[@jambogamer-je2nf]

@@normannseils3936 haste provides nothing other than resource generation for the sole purpose of active defenses, thus creating a dichotomy between passive tanking capacity, versus active mitigation. for haste tanks specifically, i.e. protection warrior, what happens if you miss your high haste global on shield block? we both know quite well what happens. you perish and your team leaves. same goes for ironfur so far, spikes for dh, and death strike/marrowrend for dk. now that guardian druid doesnt need to have his globals compete for a constant raze shield, and can attain the 16% of damage reduction from scintillating moonlight and rend and tear & supplemental healing from elunes favored which is reinforced from critical strike, the entire concept of it as a tank changes dramatically. tanks are compelled to concede to a bad stat, hopefully that changes for the better in the future. and as if that wasnt enough, blizzard keeps making dps changes all the time, they dont give a damn about what makes a tank, an actual tank. and unfortunately that is a reality to which many players fall victim to. if you want to play dps, then tanking is not your role. however if you decide to play tank role, choose only tanking talents. yeah i get it how incarnation makes you a good tank for 30 seconds, but is that really a valid tanking course? the more solid the tank is, the more it facilitates and strengthens the other players and the roles they play. a tank constantly kiting and having his hit points yoyo-ing demoralizes the rest of the team into underperforming. it exerts a setting of uncertainty and delusion of resolution towards the common goal of completion.

[@ThomasBachler01]

@@jambogamer-je2nf did you have an AI write this for you? Who says "hit points" ? Really reads like AI. While i understand your logic for crit, its just not correct. Even for Elunes favored the reduced CD on your arcane thrash and more moonfire ticks and additional GG procs through haste net you more dmg and healing than crit does. Not to even mention that haste reduces the time for both rend and tear and scintillating moonlight to be fully active on everything and reducing Frenzied Regeneration CD. Also, don't forget that neither Frenzied Regen nor our Mastery benefits from crit which significantly reduces the value of crit.