11,000 Games of Forced 50% | Whose Fault Is It Anyways? #13

[@damonruetama8126]

Your comedic content keeps getting better and better. Had me laughing out loud with Pudge's inner thoughts "orrrrr maybe I'll stick around..."

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

Same, Z is becoming quite the comedian.

[@Mirage0153]

Hahah I wanted to make this comment myself, I couldn't stop laughing when he started voicing his thought process

[@kendrickchilldaddy2330]

I had to stop the video and look for the comment about his “ORRRR” 😂😂 okay ima continue!

[@W1seClover]

Oh yes!

[@gustafstrand578]

”I BELONG IN ANCIENT” - Proceeds to start oov and 4 mangos as mid pudge xD Hillarious content!

[@Kozichi]

The hook into echo slam was the icing on the cake

[@Carazhan]

pudge teaching a class in griefing 101 to his team with that one.

[@bonus8885]

At 7:51, we see that Oracle has mana boots queued. At 8:59, after getting the triple kill, we can see that he has a Midas queued. This Oracle was down to party.

[@Mirage0153]

He was picking up kills for his database

[@AndresFlynn2997]

bro is a menace to society

[@stylessense]

15:41 “you did the most damage to yourself” - summarises this player/game perfectly. Pretty much setting yourself up to fail with those item and skill builds despite being handed 4 kills in laning stage.

[@GadBoDag]

This guy is the Pudge in all of my games

[@KinkKRool]

I think this is one of the best episodes in the series yet. Please keep it up!

[@LaWine-cf1kp]

The most underrated Dota 2 content creater kudos

[@montrealzhang180]

This was one of the nicest most productive examples of coaching that I've ever seen. The fact that this is a roast but still clearly helpful is amazing. Many other coaches wouldn't have bothered to explain such compassionately delivered detail to this player who is clearly unaware of his mistakes and has very selective memory and rose coloured glasses. Amazing stuff Zach, you're the best in the business.

[@Gaboochee]

I agree he does an amazing job honestly

[@Lonnieyo]

Loved watching this, finally someone telling core pudges to stop buying tranquil boots

[@matthuckleberry5238]

my bristle back had tranq boots yesterday :(

[@dnddmdb642]

Pudge not leaving to finish Agh's was killing me

[@gallachermatt]

In all these dota coaching series I've seen, I've never seen someone get roasted so badly. Great video

[@janusnordow]

I lost it when you pointed out what items sand king was going for :D

[@Huarshi]

Pleeeease keep doing these!!! Or maybe make them longer? I learn a lot from these vids.

[@ZQuixotix]

This will be a weekly series! Maybe some breaks when huge patches come out. I might try having some be a little longer because I could definitely talk about more in each of these, but I think there's a balance because there's a drop off in viewership if videos look too long

[@LeonardoPostacchini]

Fantastic episode Z, this series is becoming better and better. I really like pointing out what the enemy did wrong. I thing showing that really brings perspective to the complain of always getting bad teammates.

[@joinacult]

"Smurf" at ancient from crusade explains some things I've seen.

[@ppensen]

This roast was especially brutal as your humour and excellent dissection of all that pudge did that was wrong, both skill build, item build and decision making really help raise this video to chef's kiss level of educational content!

[@nathansidoli-morris273]

A well deserved crusader player! If this guy did Mango oov starting items, and horrific skill build in ancient, he’d be 0-4 just like the SK Of course he wins his lane, he’s against a player with tango quelling with 2 points in caustic. Wow you’re so good mate, forced 50 percent lol

[@UV9726]

It takes 1 look at his starting items to know why he doesn't climb

[@EmersonCloud]

I really like the alternative item build overlay you did. The information you add on screen is perfectly timed and very helpful!!

[@erichrodriguez6208]

If he is crusader now, he was herald before. This is clearly herald gameplay.

[@evankelly1203]

Match Id : 7160495325 Was playing DK Bit of a backstory: I used to play dota a shit ton back in the day. I quit for a while because I got in a really toxic loop of blaming my team and inhaling the copium while hardstuck around 1k mmr. Since getting back into the game ive been actively trying a lot more than I ever did to shut that shit down because I do understand that it doesnt benefit anyone being toxic and at the end of the day were all just playing a game. I have been climbing with this new outlook, in the past couple of weeks I ranked in at around 2.2k and have been climbing up at around 2.7k now. Been watching a lot more positive dota content, you Bsj and speed are some of the main few. Its really changed my outlook on the game and im actually enjoying climbing the ladder. In this game my omniknight and lycan just felt absolutley useless once it got to the mid to late game and I could tell I lost a lot of my focus after that but even when reviewing my replays of games like this im not sure what I could have done differently. I would love to get roasted in one of these vids to kick some sense into me. Feel like being shown how to win a game like this could finally stomp out that toxic gremlin in the back of my mind. TLDR; Reformed toxic player trying not to blame his team but also really wants to blame his team.🙃 Be as rude as you want, I can take it. Everyone needs some tough love. Also I gotta say I am loving these vids so much, perfect balance of gameplay insight and keeping it fun the entire time, keep up the great content man.

[@minmin-fs1nn]

Thanks for the video, really appreciate it. I learned alot, watching it from other people perspective really makes different

[@ZQuixotix]

Thanks for being a great sport about it! I believe you can definitely get out of Crusader!

[@cm3462]

You got this!

[@diegogoulart8735]

Lmao we always notice the bad players on our team but always think we are pros when the bad players are on the enemy team

[@Meyveda]

I really love that you pointed out Sand King items. One of the reasons he owned that lane was that SK was bad.

[@razeota-p4089]

i was dying with that low health pudge decision making lmao Good video and idk why im not subscribed

[@jojoenathan]

u should make more content regularly. i never seen a coach like u whos so thorough and explaining even the simple detail. yes i know the 90% of them but the 10% that i dont often get skipped by most of youtuber coach whos more famous keep up the good work man.

[@Jokervision744]

Yeah that explains the rhythm and tempo aspect that I might be doubtful of in my own games. I play support, and didn't really know the builds or base ideas what to do for builds, but his video going through and through the thought process of it just makes it clear, and I just feel like I should have come up with that myself. I don't know, but maybe it's the times past that how I played then that wanted to hold on. Builds and strategies are the ones I'm not really able to reach to, because I'm stuck with the very basic function of supporting.

[@alZiiHardstylez]

Bro, I love these videos, the whole 'orrrr' bit you do is so amusing.

[@PurpleOkayTurtle]

God I loved this episode. The angel and devil on each shoulder inner monologue

[@Eheroduelist]

that ES hook into a 4 man echo slam gives me "MAGNUS NO!" vibes

[@Victor-zi8wr]

Just started watching your stuff - and it's great! The best, most in depth discussions of how to be better I've seen. In addition, you balance the humour and information in an excellent way, and don't go for theover the top, super excited cringefest that is quite common on social media. Thank you for the great info!

[@Komintepanatbra]

”Im stuck in X” never looks at a hero guide ever

[@talesvinicius598]

I mean, there's probably an immortal faith core pudge mid guide that would be 100% better than this atrocity that he did and the guy didn't even bother, i feel like ZQ said it right when he told him that he probably plays a lot of dota but doesn't do a lot of thinking.

[@ashapls8922]

bravo, freaking hilarious commentary at the dire secret shop

[@t-spark]

I'm also in Crusader and it seems like most players are 'coinflip' players. They'll take the high-variance 50-50 every single time, no matter if they're ahead or behind, no matter what other options there are. Since they got the outplay and won their 50-50 yesterday, they're not thinking about whether the play is actually likely or supposed to work before they do it.

[@alial-kateeb5267]

Crusader and below players don't know how to play from behind or finish games early idk about higher ranks

[@akaadamrg]

Survivor's fallacy

[@coolgate3872]

this is one of the best episodes of this series. welp. time to move on to the next video... OR i can like or subscribe.... OR i can recommend this to my friend.... OR i can actually learn from this and get our of guardian myself...

[@cookiepirate4471]

OR?

[@Youmu_Konpaku_]

This guy thinking he's ancient and playing like a crusader is peak content Makes me want more confident in myself to be able to get from Legend5 to Ancient

[@Thepippinator2]

Great video bro! You about to grow exponentially this year. Well deserved.

[@karlivanantonio3922]

Read the comments and I think this series is going to blow up! Thank you for the content! Keep it going!

[@samudraadilina3313]

More content like this please. I find it highly educational :)

[@michaelknoll2295]

Very funny bro. You made some good points, I'm a turbo nerd these days but the point about enabling your team was a nice concept.

[@linsenexpander]

lmao the moment i saw those 4 guys grouped before the hook I said NO DONT DO IT TO EM

[@TheCoolflameboi]

This episode wa so gooood! I love this channel please make this guy famous i want him in the panels at TI! ::D:D:D All in all great stuff mate more of theese series

[@calvincotton1998]

You really had me in the first half with that Wisdom Rune one.

[@56ur4]

That ES hook was glorious

[@Zarzar22]

Oh man how havent I seen your videos yet? This is spectacular man

[@cm3462]

You're really hitting your stride. Keep up the good work!

[@Cosminusb]

This story was hilarious, oooor maybe I should stay with 100 hp and try another hook :))))))))))

[@Gatman900FTW]

I haven't laughed this hard at a video in years! rewatched it like 5 times and died everytime you zoomed in and said '...OR...' 😂😂😂

[@0rkrist]

Best mix of educational and comedic content. Love it.

[@ichangiz]

Oooor... 😂😂 Great video Judge Z

[@excelg5674]

The "ORRR" and the possible scenarios after that is just so funny.

[@Rad21zzz]

Great content and enjoying with some funny slots. Continue it bro

[@Degenerate_o7]

Great great video, def looking forward to the next one

[@SONA7DO]

The "Orrrrrrr..... we can stick around for hooks" was hilarious moment😂

[@mnesmtg5613]

This was so fucking funny, Zach! Amazing episode. Educational as always, but legitimately hilarious

[@Kalron9]

Every time Ithink there is no more "I can do this. Orrr..." there is another one that shows up and it just got so funny

[@ganaelschneider]

it's both really fun and educative, this is great!

[@JJ420365]

Thank you for saying that about MVP. I've decided games need to identify the "top threat" instead to highlight the true best players of a game. This would change depending on the matchup, much as a farmed spectre wouldn't care about an enemy weaver, but your team might.

[@KyleCox-ne8jy]

I haven't laughed so much in so long, thank you, I needed that

[@icata12345]

just seeing your starting build crusader seems about right 🤣

[@moebino2685]

with those starting items I would've said herald is actually better.

[@ralphED93]

loving this content! keep it up.

[@willpollock7243]

"Orrrrrrr........" Had me coming back to this video time and time again.

[@StrifeHale]

I'm a Pudge spammer and I only go 1 - 4 - 4 build cuz hook range is the same and costs a lot of mana which is pretty low for Pudge. Rot and Flesh heap combo deals so much damage when you just run on them. To all the Pudge players, please don't just sit in a lane waiting forever to hook and then just to miss it, but rather run on them with your W and E which can win you the lane. If you think your lane is decent and no one can kill each other, try hooking the big camp creeps whenever your hook is off cooldown for more xp and gold.

[@demoniovargas1093]

Your sarcasm cracked me up Thanks for the amazing video

[@1rk1n]

lmao. "OR......" I'm not flaming cause you said not to flame. ^^Very funny though. thanks for sharing pudge.

[@mariotsubasashimizu5581]

Love these video, can you please do one regarding closing games? Recently been struggling on that, good start but cant close games

[@WoobertAIO]

Jenkins, ZQuixotix & BSJ the current pillars of our sacred community.

[@moonjellying697]

Thank you to the person who submitted this gem 😂

[@erfarkrasnobay]

Also. As 2k proud support I feel so much fun with taking cliff-observers out, I name it "2k check" if I could get 3-4 observers at just checking cliffs with gem it so fun.

[@cookiepirate4471]

😅 if sk weren't a herald bot with no items, pudge would've died mid at least 4 times.

[@sebastianbonilla1323]

Man, after calibration I gained 1k mmr I SWORE I would end up lower because it was done i lost like 13 games and won 12. What was weird is that i was being matched with 5k players. Anyways, climbed up from 1.7 to 2.8k, never give up guys. Some of my knowledge actually paid off some games :D

[@XIplupIX]

So i have recently picked up techies again, i played him a lot of the rework. I used to go e blade and aertherlense and so on, i thought I was always doing everything right but thanks to you i woke up and stopped blaming Ms teammates. Now i know i am at fault and with your advice i finally looked up some pro techies build and now instead of going useless aertherlense or i go items build by pros like diffusual Yasha and other on hit items like the pro topson thanks for helping me and my teammates to finally play with a proper itamized techies.

[@MichelDood]

You briefly mentioned that they like to build shadow blade and deso on heros that don't build them, let me guess. Huskar? I played with someone who also had thousands of games and did that a while ago. Still can't believe it 😂

[@minmin-fs1nn]

Lion, riki, something like that. Its me 😂

[@Dirkulos]

Gaben is clearly forcing a 50 % Winrate 😂

[@stergill7903]

i thought u were joking on the es getting the echo off on the whole team, it was so funny lmao

[@pandabghunter]

14:30 - Subscribed. Great delivery.

[@Ashuram528]

very insightful, well deserved like!

[@domovoi_0]

U awesome bro keep killin it. Love and blessings.

[@Iam_Trying]

The 3 minutes of insane gameplay thought and here comes the .......ORrrrr

[@ehtishamnawaz118]

Hi, Do should supportsplay Cores while playing caliberation matches to get good ranks.Because playing pos 5-4 doesn't give you above archons.

[@moebino2685]

if you learn to control the lane on laning phase and pick meta supports and know how to shove lanes safely on down time then you would surpass archon by miles. support does not mean playing passive the whole game.

[@TraGiiXzaze]

Or..... Love your channel. Not enough people posting raw analysis to actually learn from. Just vods. Super high quality shit man

[@beepiffy2550]

Such a great series.

[@largebigboy3123]

Really good (and hilarious) commentary about the decision making here! If I may ask, regarding pudge's gameplay at around 10:00 into the video, hypothetically if he did go and kill the large camp in his triangle to finish aghs, what should he do at that point? He's probably still low health at that point, so would you recommend walking to base to regen and then tping out, or something else?

[@Juncboks]

His ult would be off cool down and could use it on a creep the fully recover his hp. No base tp needed

[@chen_h3]

He only need a large camp creep to get this gold. Sell oov since it upgrades to nothing (125 gold) and sell windlance since hes not buying eul (110 gold) these 2 items alone should give him enough or almost enough gold to finish his agh.

[@diegogoulart8735]

For core pudge I dont like soul ring because when you have vanguard you farm the whole camp instead of 1 creep also saving more mana. As well on mid pudge I would go bottle which gives mana and hp for a cheaper price

[@PepinoOable]

Manguard op!

[@MagnusDzDota]

Duuude 🤣🤣 ,, this 'Or' made me pause nd comment 🤣🤣,, ama subscribe.

[@jonathanfan3709]

When i played poker professionally, there were bad players who lost money and quit and there were bad players like this guy who played thousands of games and refuse to admit he sucks. I thank them because they made me so much money. THe world is full of these people. They are actually everywhere.

[@ChBoler]

I wanted to pick your brain on the suggested build a bit if that's okay? I'm not a "my team sucks so bad" player, but am a 55% winrate Archon pudge that goes Tranq + Soulring every game, even when I'm mid. I have the following counterarguments to the phase/vanguard build and want you to sell me on it! (I have tried both builds): - Phase + Vanguard costs 3200, whereas Tranq/Soul costs 1780. This lets you get online faster, and also gives you a stronger start because you can start with wind lace and gauntlets for bonus strength and a potential rot first blood. - Pudge has an awful mana pool that makes using hook as a farming tool hard without soul ring. Every game I've tried the vanguard build I've had to ferry clarities constantly, adding to the builds cost. - I don't personally like/make aghs, and don't need flesh heap to survive rot as a result. Instead I prefer making either Radiance (only 500 more than aghs, and doesn't revolve around the flesh heap cooldown) or survivability (armor/pipe/heart) depending on the game. I've also been experimenting with harpoon this patch, but am not sure how I feel about it yet - I still max rot first, but Meat Hook does Pure damage, so the +70 per level goes farther than it looks imho and is about +90 per level if converted to magic damage. Hopefully this isn't coming off as too argumentative! Pudge is a hero I enjoy a ton and I want to do better on it if I can, but the few times I've tried the vanguard/phase build I just haven't been impressed so I'm assuming there's something I'm missing, and wanted to give an accurate writeup of why I haven't had much luck with it personally.

[@ZQuixotix]

Don't worry, I appreciate the discussion! Hook for farming is good, but if you think about it, Pudge is still going to kill the rest of the camp most of the time. Rot is AoE so you just attack the strongest creep and all of them die at the same time. I think Hook to steal random enemy creeps as you move through the map is fine, but a lot of Pudge's actual farming is done through Rot. The Flesh Heap protects you from rot, then in the next camp when it's on CD, the Vanguard protects you from creep damage and also regens you. Next camp Flesh Heap is up again. Then Phase Boots bring you to the next camp (or gank) faster. Tranquils would be constantly breaking between all of these camps or in the laning stage. I wouldn't mind seeing Bottle or Soul Ring mixed in, but I think for many Pudge mids that I see, it's about hitting a really fast Aghs timing along with levels and THEN you actually start thinking more about kills (which is when Hook and Ult start eating into mana more, but you have some Aghs stats to help). The damage is ridiculous at that stage of the game and speeds up farming as well. I think Hook just lets you set up kills, but that the damage is unnecessary with early Aghs (It would be 210 extra pure damage which is a little more than 1 sec of Aghs Rot). Radiance build up is pretty slow for Pudge. It's less DPS than Aghs AND it doesn't provide regen reduction OR increase the AOE of Rot. Pudge doesn't really need attack damage, though the evasion is fairly nice. Survivability is fine with me as an alternative to Aghs if you're playing more utility for the team.

[@Joel2Million]

I hope this helps pudge reflect

[@maximusaurelius610]

We want you to be hella savage - 23 savage baby !!! Can’t improve unless you’re criticized … and if u try to let ppl down easy they won’t feel how bad the mistake is

[@innova1335]

I have this exact same situation. I'm at low Legend or High Archon. I believe the issue I determined a long time ago was that I lack a large enough reliable hero pool for meta changes. I don't think it allows for enough flexibility in drafts.

[@mantistoboggan2676]

I feel like you get a lot of pleasure in roasting these guys lol

[@dingding12321]

Pudge doesn't have the innate toolkit to hard carry. Not having high DPS is fine, but it means you need to deal good AoE for pushing and fights in order to help close out games. Pudge doesn't do much of that either, so he needs to build items for it or just become so tanky that the enemy team can't deal with him. That said, who starts Orb of Venom on Pudge lol

[@moebino2685]

you don't need to have a hard carry to carry games especially when the enemy midlaner feeds you 5 kills

[@LLFTAIPmetalman]

That "Fuck my teammates are so bad" had me dying 14:33

[@Monkey-hg6rm]

4 mangoes and an orb of venom start is insanely funny

[@amcsdmi]

I don't know if he was happy that you were savage, but I sure was

[@Dark_Angel555]

but observers placed on clifs have the most vision ... how would you see the map if you place them in obscure places ?

[@ThePhillShow]

Only a matter of time until we start seeing you on panels at tournaments

[@justseven3487]

Imagine playing 11K games thinking it everyone else's fault, but at the same time you do more damage to yourself than enemy heroes. The Shaker hook genuinely rustled my jimmies.

[@zanido9073]

If a pudge did that in my game I would legitimately report him for griefing.

[@MaGmaRinE]

"FUCK my team" unironically how everyone reacts 😂

[@lucasvalenteSNG]

Awesome content!