12 DETAILED France EU5 MAPS & 100 Yrs WAR HISTORICAL SETTING

[@LudietHistoria]

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[@the90thhunter92]

Get well soon Ludi

[@peetesmi]

I did wonder why you didn't release a video as soon as the Tinto Talk was released. Man, I had all my wisdom teeth removed at once and it was HELL (yeah in all caps), so I wish you the best, take time to rest and get better. You only get one life dude, so take care

[@12354rony]

@@peetesmi According to some religions and beliefs you actually get multiple ones, sometimes infinite lol.

[@tritojean7549]

the low amount of forest in france is historicall, the deforestation to build more farm was already starting in the mediaval time in france

[@niewiemkto9537]

i really hope we will have dynamic deforestation mechanic, so that as your country develops more and more forests are turned into grass and farm lands

[@BoxStudioExecutive]

@@niewiemkto9537 especially if you’re building huge fleets…it should consume your forests and woodland

[@12345krillin]

@@niewiemkto9537 the MEIOU and Taxes mod makers that are working on this had some timber mechanic in their mod so hopefully it will be in EU5

[@pricel141l]

@@BoxStudioExecutive That maybe a reason why there's 2 types of forests, with the actual forests one being way harder to actually flatten than the woodlands which you could perhaps plant back for future buildings, like how Napoleon made use of the Landes forests to build a huge fleet against Britain

[@thomasfrn4831]

@@niewiemkto9537 yes but it should also work in the other direction, farmland / grassland should a minimal population to be maintain, if your population in decimated then the land should turn back to buswood / wood / forest

[@Mr.Heribenny]

Actually the french had a lot of farmland, there were even less forests than today (yes), wich even caused some biodiversity problems and making the landlords woried about their forest, and putting some rules like the "mise en défens" of the forest (sorry for my english im french lol)

[@Elta305]

Intéressant ! Je savais que Napoléon III avait fait planter une forêt dans les landes mais pas qu'il y en avait moins que maintenant.

[@McHobotheBobo]

Yeah I'd expect to see a lot more forests return after the Black Death rages through the world

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

France always had a very developped agriculture yes. The Gauls already knew nearly every farm tool still used by the early 19th century so just before the industrial age (of course they didn't have tractors or combine harvesters).

[@McHobotheBobo]

@@Duke_of_Lorraine Except the seed drill, which only spread to Asia from ancient Mesopotamia

[@TangoPenguin16]

This is true, there are also more wolves in France and across Europe then the Europe during this time.

[@thalesvondasos]

It'd be cool if there were events for Flanders, Brittany etc. regarding their side in the war where the AI chooses the historical option but the player has the choice of an ahistorical path (siding with France)

[@McHobotheBobo]

I'd want it to be a game rule with weighted random options

[@astillia6073]

@@McHobotheBobo yeah id like it if you could influence their decision via relations, alliances, gifts etc. flat forced choices always suck.

[@McHobotheBobo]

@@astillia6073 always

[@Reichsritter]

definitely not in the beginning, the game will be released without flavour (every country will be a boring copy paste with nothing unique) and with a lot of bugs like Victoria 3, only then paradox will add content over years with dozens of dlc. Most likely the hundred years war will barely matter without the dlc

[@YD39222]

As a Fleming, I'd think it would be more accurate if Flanders switchen sides according to the world trade, which was vital for its economy.

[@BlueWoWTaylan]

So literal ''I play both sides so I always come out on top''? :D

[@YD39222]

@@BlueWoWTaylan well no, the Flemish economy relied heavily on the wool trade, being cut off from it basically meant financial ruin. That's why they sided with the English, at one point, who supplied the wool.

[@ilianceroni]

8:21 small correction to what Ludi says: the Swiss cantons did NOT merged into a confederation after the Austrian attack. That was not “the confederation we have today”, as Ludi says, but the old Swiss confederation, which was very much not a single state, but rather a military and political alliance. For example there was not a single Swiss army, nor a single central government (more like what the EU is today, then a single country). The current confederation (which is actually a federation but still called confederation because “tradition”, I guess) is the result of the 1848 civil war, when a federal constitution and governed were introduced, ending the independence of the single cantons.

[@Reichsritter]

exactly, before 1848 it was just a bunch of German county size entities in an eternal military alliance against the Habsburgs

[@MiniaAr]

In French history, kids now learn of the First and Second Hundred Years war. The Capetian/Plantagenêts wars is the "First Hundred Years war" and the one that will start at the beginning of EUV is the "Second Hundred Years War".

[@thavis3116]

I see what you're talking about. The "first" one would be the one started in 1159. But I am French and I never learned it that way. I know that a lot of reform happened between when I was in school and now, so maybe that was one of the thing that changed. Or it depend on the region/school you are ? Idk if you are french yourself and you're talking from experience, or if you just heard that somewhere, so I don't want to just say "that is not true"

[@antoninvuillemin5286]

Quoi ? C'est nouveau ça ?

[@unhommequicourt]

Wut?

[@unhommequicourt]

@@antoninvuillemin5286 en tous cas y a 10 ans on apprenait pas ca

[@KarlNBL]

Regarding Burgundy, the way you said it could lead to confusion. The duchy of Burgundy as shown in the map is definitely a French subject and not in a dual vassalage. The Duke of Burgundy was vassal of the HR Emperor as Count of Burgundy indeed, which is Franche-Comté (Free County) and as Count of Holland, Brabant, etc... later on when the Dukes of Burgundy inherited that. Regarding Breton culture: it is imperative to divide it between Breton and Gallo. Gallo is a Langue d'Oïl, so Romance, while Breton is Celtic and close to Welsh and Cornish. It is a division that lacks in the base game

[@laurentgueissaz4019]

As a Swiss I really hope that the Swiss Cantons will have a proper mechanic in this game and not like in EU4. They should not be a unified country as portrayed in EU4 since they were not a centralized country (and technically still not today) until Napoleon's invasion. It would be interesting to have kind of a HRE in HRE since the Cantons would be independent entities allied to some others and meeting from time to time to discuss common matters (like when for kicking some Austrian or Burgundian asses). However, each Canton used to have its own independent army, currency, measure units, etc . By the way, there is a mistake regarding 2 locations in the west part of modern Switzerland. Basel (location called Delémont) and Neuchâtel (Neu. on the map) (location has the same name) are inverted. These 2 regions were known to have a great rivalry but Neuchâtel was located between the lake of the same name (we can see it on the map) and the Jura mountain chain whereas the Bishopry of Basel was located more in the north. In any case, thank you a lot for you great work :)

[@thavis3116]

In a previous tinto talk, they said that it was something they thought about doing, but did not did it already ( the one on the international organization ). So we don't know how it will be portrayed, but it will probably be a thing

[@bajlozi6873]

do you have any fun facts about Geneve during medieval times?

[@laurentgueissaz4019]

@@bajlozi6873 Sadly not really. I'm not from Geneva but from Neuchâtel so I could discuss the two battles between the Burgundian armies and the confederates that happen 30 minutes away from my home town. Or how this region declared independence from Prussia during the 19th century and was the only European revolution (during the springtime of people) that led to the formation of a stable government still in place today 😊

[@bajlozi6873]

@@laurentgueissaz4019 oh wow that sounds really damn cool, i hardly know anything about swiss history

[@laurentgueissaz4019]

@@bajlozi6873 haha I think it's like every country history. If you take the time you will find very interesting things. But it is true that the swiss history is not well known (even by the Swiss themselves) as the idea of Switzerland as a country is pretty young.

[@Kafson]

Very excited for EU5. Let's see if paradox has learned from their past mistakes and greed, but probably not.

[@jjtheblue11]

So you don't want them to develop the game after it has been released?

[@AdornByFire]

Yeaaaa booiiiii. 🎉 Love these bi-weekly drops of the super secret game.

[@zimtwiers9726]

Now that we have seen Gaul, really want to see where Caesar is in the project

[@drosophile2117]

Actually, the population of France in 1337 is almost 20 M , which is one if it's not the most populated region in Europe

[@helmuthvonmoltke5518]

France was the most populated country in Europe before the black death. The HRE came close with 17-18 million inhabitants but that's it. Everyone else (including Iberia and the Italian peninsula) was quite a bit smaller.

[@digiorno1142]

@@helmuthvonmoltke5518HRE wasn’t a country and it included several regions like the Low Countries, North Italy, parts of France and obviously Germany. The estimated HRE population is the combined total of all HRE states not a single country. France was by far the largest and most populous country in Europe at this time.

[@helmuthvonmoltke5518]

@@digiorno1142 France wasn't a modern country either and large parts of contemporary France didn't even speak the language ( Brittany, Occitanie). The authority of the French kings reached from Paris to Orleans, that's it. The Kingdom of Germany within the HRE was by far the most populous part. The low countries had less than 3 million inhabitants in 1300, and the northern Italian cities were already independent all but in name. Even without the population of the HRE was dominated by German speakers and still came pretty close to Frances population. It's a bit silly to use Germany's modern borders in a medieval comparison. Ostsiedlung meant that the German population was spread out far more than today.

[@digiorno1142]

@@helmuthvonmoltke5518 France was still a kingdom and the king of France had subjects. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.

[@digiorno1142]

@@helmuthvonmoltke5518 There was also no such thing as the Kingdom of Germany. That is a vague term for the east kingdom of Charlemagne’s empire. The so called “kingdom of Germany” was nonexistent by the 14th century. It had split up by then. So that point of discussion is irrelevant.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Stretching it to the maximum, we can argue the HYW extended from the 12th century (Eleonor of Aquitaine remarrying with the english king, bringing much of France to England) to the napoleonic era (England finally stop claiming to be kings of France). Making it over 600 years long.

[@addickland5656]

Ehh... Ludi, France's population pre-black death in the early 1300s was 13-14 million, not 9, while the population of the entire french region was 18 to 20 million, not 9, so yeah, they do be having some people, and them people being french, having a lot of farmlands seems pretty accurate.

[@Leann-n]

22:22 pretty sure sand is converted into glass Ludi

[@MrRoyalOss]

They could add events or just a pop up message where the terrain shifts from one to another, example from forest to grasslands to farmlands to get around the terraforming issue. It would also make it more dynamic if the battle system uses terrains.

[@TheWanwanou]

The Breton / Gallo separation is dued to the language difference : The western part speaks Breton (Celtic language) while the Eastern speaks Gallo, a romance language part of the langue d'oïl

[@Reichsritter]

in the 14th century all of Brittany still spoke Celtic, paradox is pretty weird

[@unhommequicourt]

@@Reichsritter i can t tell if this is a joke but you re obviously wrong

[@unhommequicourt]

Gallo was actually just a french dialect variation, nobles speaking gallo had no problem speaking with French and parisian nobles if i m not mistaken.

[@Reichsritter]

@@unhommequicourt the population if Brittany would have spoken Celtic Breton

[@unhommequicourt]

@@Reichsritter no, only the west half of brittany.The rest spoke Gallo as the paradox map shows.

[@arnovdk8940]

hopefully there'll be some kind of mechanic to make a culture group more centralized or decentralized instead of having to completely wipe out cultures that are very similar/belong to the same group. maybe something like CK3 with the cultural acceptance mechanic.

[@ms_publisher7143]

The Breton/Gallo divide is very accurate as gallo refers to the romance (french dialect) language of Brittany and Breton to the Celtic language

[@tyrusgamingfr239]

Repose toi bien pour ta dent. Merci pour le suivi du jeux malgré ta douleur, force à toi.

[@thekonkoe]

For the population of Austria being relatively low, from previous maps I think we already saw that Austria accurately doesn’t include Tyrolian lands in 1337. Potentially lowering the population even further, while Styria, Carinthia, and Carniola were all held by Albert II von Hapsburg but they might be represented as a union rather than a single state. The various parts had been enfeoffed only a few decades to a few years prior so representing some division is sensible. 1.3 million seems pretty sensible for mostly Austria proper which would be the most populous portion.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Burgundy hadn't risen yet. Philip the Bold would get rewarded with Burgundy after the Battle of Poitiers (1356), then would marry the Countess of Flanders that also had Franche-Comté. His successors would grab much of the Low Countries, to reach the peak around the start of EU4. Also by the start of EU4, Burgundy was granted near-independance after signing an alliance with France, ending the civil war against the Armagnac faction, that's why it's no longer a vassal of France in 1444. So you'll have ample time preventing

[@riftcoco360]

If you don't feel good just feel better

[@unhommequicourt]

If you don't feel right, try left

[@emilcioran7444]

This is cool

[@theophiledumont3291]

I hope the hundred years war will be enjoyable to plays as france and england. The things i would not like to see is france just crushing the english straight up or the reverse a france so crippled by negative modifiers that the ia just collapse in a few years. The best solution for the hundred years war in my opinion is to use the revolts, subject loyalty of french vassals to make the war hard for both england and france. I think a mechanic like the powerstruggle of ck3 might help to frame the conflict with a negative opinion of french vassal if france begins to win massively; so that they begin to side with england, or on the other side the vassals close ranks with the crown as the english begins to gain the upper hand. It was also a war with a ton of treaties and truces so that remains to be seen in game. Also the french and english armies were very different, i don't really know how they will implement that in game. Will france under the player be able to reform its army at will and decide to use massively archers or will it be locked for historical accuracy ... A lot of fears of what could happen because contrary to many wars at the begining of eu4 this one historically does a 180 turn and france wins in the end despite a very difficult start. So i don't know ...

[@thavis3116]

Yeah, I agree. That is one of the thing I really want to know how they will be included in the game. A classic war mechanic would not work for the hundred years war, as one of both country would win in one war and then things would not evolve anymore ( knowing how AI work in pdx game ) and even without talking abt AI it is a big problem... But at the same time, I don't want it to be railroaded with historical event all the way through. Ahistorical outcome should still be possible ( a war that wouldn't last that long should still be possible for example ) but it is easier said than done. I am not even able to imagine a solution to this problem ( yes, I am not a dev, but still... It is hard to keep that balance )

[@phileascurtil5605]

I hope for something like the battle of Lepante in EU4. It's an event that can only happen after a battle in certain conditions. It's mostly flavor but could be interesting to use in the HYW.

[@chicauxerrus]

Brittany being split culturaly is actually accurate, between lower britanny (west side) which was very much original celts, while upper britanny (east side) was a mix of celts, gallo romans and a bit of french influence overall i'm pretty satisfied with the culture map, sure you could go even more in details but i think it's good enough at this level, at least not all of southern france is just langue d'oc which was the language group of all southern french language, making all of southern france languedocian is as accurate as saying all of spain is spanish

[@masn9997]

Of course all of Spain is Spanish, I guess you meant to say "Spanish language".

[@peachprincess758]

Great video! Thank you :D

[@babbaracos]

Cool! I'm from Flanders as well! Love your knowledge about history! Impressive!

[@ms_publisher7143]

France being an I.O would be quite interesting as it would allow for things like Flanders siding with England or Burgundy becoming so powerful that they could fully act like an independent tag, two things not possible with a basic subject system

[@supereero9]

The devs teased Brittany and Flanders siding with England

[@phileascurtil5605]

I agree but a combination of both a IO system and a vassal system would be great? Another thing would be a system maybe inspired by the iberian struggle of CK3 but for france and england.

[@digiorno1142]

@@phileascurtil5605Whatever they end up doing, we will of course have mods and if it’s anything like CK3 or Vic 3 they won’t break achievements

[@ArmandDupin]

The 1337 Burgundy isn't the same as the Burgundy that caused trouble during the HYW. It's ruled by capetians, and is a pretty unremarkable duchy. I precisely wonder how Paradox will handle that situation. Will they railroad Burgundy into becoming a bigger player, or will they make it so that one or several random vassal(s) start faffing around when royal power is at its lowest?

[@МенМаатСет]

3:05 - Edward III not believed, that he should be the rightful king of France - because HE REALLY SHOULD be the KING OF FRANCE! Because his bloodline!

[@unhommequicourt]

Wrong, the papacy recognized Edward III shouldn t inherit the crown following the salis law.

[@МенМаатСет]

@@unhommequicourt salis law - is 700year ago passed bullshit! He MUST inherit the throne!

[@unhommequicourt]

@@МенМаатСет according to who? You? What legitimacy do you have to decide this kind of legal affair?

[@МенМаатСет]

@@unhommequicourt according to justice

[@Dukaier]

This is very surprising i thought we dont have videos this week. Glad that your well ludi.

[@lepyroberserk8486]

You could also said that it was more like a civil war between two french mansion for the french throne than a pure french / english battle.

[@Ben-zw3vd]

every time i see this game i just think i gonna be forced to ugraded my pc

[@noahjones1192]

Get a 7800X3D

[@ciamposhow]

They should put the Waldensians in the alpine region between dauphine and piedmont, btw. That would be perfect

[@fethier4601]

Finally picard culture in a paradox game. Also about the region names "Artois" would make more sense for the region while "Arras" is just the name of the capital city of this region.

[@dominicpalladini7290]

The Hommage demanded was more that traditionnaly, the king of England was crowned by the king of France. Or at the coronation of the king of France, the king of england was paying his hommage. Something like that. But if a king was a duc in another country with anoter kink, yeah, he would also have to pay hommage.

[@ms_publisher7143]

Moldovan tree coverage is just one area of the world, britain for example has the same tree coverage as it did 1000 years ago with the lowest point being during 1900

[@Siege181]

An idea for the Devs, when England owned Gascognie/Aquitane the other French provinces used to call the Gascons “the English”. Maybe have the area as part of the British culture to begin with but if it is conquered by France then we could have an event to switch the culture to the French? Just a thought!

[@tremendousbaguette9680]

Gascons are Basques who speak Occitan, the culture/language divide should reflect that.

[@lemangeur2poulet248]

That would make no sense

[@ArmandDupin]

What will be interesting to see is how Paradox will handle the whole Burgundy situation. 1337 Burgundy is a small (but prestigious) duchy ruled by an offshoot of the Capetians. When the dynasty died off, king Jean II gave it to his son Philippe as a reward for his bravery at the battle of Poitiers. But he could have given another land, to another son. Or Philippe's son Jean (sans Peur) could have been more receptive to the Armagnac's centralization policy (and thus have sided with them). TDLR. The events that led to Burgundy becoming a superpower and to the Armagnac/Burgundians civil war were really unlikely to happen, and still happened. I hope Paradox won't railroad Burgundy into this precise outcome. I'd rather have one (or more) randomly determined vassal become more troublesome as french royal power gets undermined by the HYW and the plague.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Lorraine now has its own culture instead of being Burgundians, hurrah !

[@Tenvalmestr]

What I really hope, is that they won't put Breton culture as part of the french culture. Breton language and tradition used to be closer to Welsh than french, by far. I understanded it as a game design in EU4, but here since they want to be more accurate rather than lead players to go historical, they should put Breton as a celtic (Britonnic) culture. For Ludi : Breton is a celtic language, Gallo is a french sub-language spoken in western part of Brittany. Historically, the language border is wrong on their map, because the Breton language became more and more proeminient as the Duchy was independant/autonomous. However, since the end of the independance, the language barriere went gradually back to the est. I don't like that they put the french name on the Duchy. I get that they can't put the historical sub-division of the Duchy, but having the real Breton/Gallo name would be better. But as they said, it's a work in progress. I hope to see "Bro Kernew" instead of Cornouailles, "Bro Gwened" instead of Vannes. "Bro Roazhon" instead of Rennes and/or "Bro Naoned" instead of Nantes could be argued, but not the western part of the Duchy. Also, Brittany was (before its annexation) a rich Duchy, with a rather strong economy. If I won't argue it was mostly an agrarian region, I don't like what they did with the ressources map. If you put almost exclusively fish, livestock, or legumes in all agrarian region, all the map in Europe and alsmot all of the world will be like this. I wish I could have seen more of cloth/textile in Brittany since we had a big manufactures of textile during the medieval/renaissance era.

[@Tenvalmestr]

Oh and also, Ludi, it is estimated that France today have more forest than it used to have at tis time : desforestation was a big thing back then. First because it helped to build, and also it made more land to cultivate.

[@unhommequicourt]

I don t think brittany had much celtic culture left in the 14th century. The Church made sure to remove that culture for centuries. So the breton culture was more french at this time. There were no more druids nor paganism for example.

[@Tenvalmestr]

​@@unhommequicourt I don't say they should be in the same group as the Irish, but Welsh, Cornish and Breton (basically the whole Brittonic group) should definitely be in the same group. At least for the Breton speaking part. As a Breton, I can assure you that in the first half of the 19th century, there was still a lot of traditions that had nothing to do with the french culture, and the language really does not have a lot in common with the french (french and english are closer and way more related between them than Breton is to French or Welsh to English). Basicaly the culture in Brittany really shifted during the time of my grand parents and my parents, with the apparition (and spreading) of the radio, television, and now the Internet.

[@Tenvalmestr]

@@unhommequicourt Je viens de lire ton pseudo et de piger que tu es francophone... J'suis pas aidé dis donc ! J'aurai pu m'économiser un long commentaire dans un anglais non maîtrisé, mais j'ai la flemme de le retaper ! x)

[@unhommequicourt]

@@Tenvalmestr aha Mais pour avoir lu enormement de livres d histoire sur la bretagne (j ai vecu a ploermel et lanvollon) j ai pas lu de difference culturelle particuliere au 14e siecle mis a part la langue. Est ce qu il y a eu une divergence les siecles suivants, ou je suis mal renseigné ?

[@antoninvuillemin5286]

There are more forest in contemporean france than in this era of the middle age, it's perfectly normal. The territory was re-forested in the XIXth century because the people flew towards the cities and the demand of wood was high so people planted many many trees. My region, les vosges, in Lorraine, was basically transformed in the XIXth century and I have only artificial (but very old 100 to 150 yo) forest around my house The crazy part is that sometime, while walking in the forest, I find some super old stone from at least the XVIIIth century, and those stones were delimitation of farmlands. In the middle of forest !

[@nelseum5649]

For Breton and Gallo, the division is quite accurate, and today still is present. Gallo is a kind of "broken" old french, similar to Quebecois in some aspect while Breton is super close to Welsh and as nothing to do with the French language. Breton is coming from the Britons immigrants, settling in the west part of Brittany from the 5th centuary to the 9th (We lack writen sources on the periods). Anyway the Paradox map is kinda cool and im super hype to play Britanny in the 100 years war.

[@lunarc8141]

Gallo is not broken old french, it's a cousin language of french descendant of the central dialect of old french, while québecois is a dialect of french

[@altra1266]

Yeah thx for trying to confirm that division, but what you are saying about gallo is false

[@generalpignouf2746]

there was actually less forest back in the day than there is now, yhe forest in Landes for exemple is an artificial forest created by humans

[@MlNUlT]

as a Frenchman, I wanted to come back to the cultural map of France, it's really not too bad, this is relatively accurate, but we must remember that it is a purely linguistic map, there is nothing fundamentally cultural about it, so, indeed it respects the map of French patois, but it does not seem to take considering the real linguistic difference, in France there is the langue d'Oïl, the langue d'Oc, Arpitan, Breton, and the high and low Alemannic languages ​​such as Alsatian, Flemish, Frankish and many others. on the other, and finally, a somewhat special category which mixes the langue d'Oïl and d'Oc which is all the languages ​​of the Crescent and the Poitevin Saintongais, which gives us that truly 5 languages ​​strictly speaking, which cannot really communicate together, which have a different basis (and still the two main ones Oïl and Oc can be understood in themselves), I just hope that the game does not consider that the Breton and the Angevin, have as many difference than the Angevin and the Francien for example, because it has nothing to do with it, an Angevin and a Parisian can communicate perfectly, but both are unable to do so with a Breton, but hey it's already a very complete map and it's really cool to see so much detail, for my grandparents who spoke Norman, I say thank you

[@sebe2255]

Flemish = Frankish

[@addickland5656]

Ehh, I'll say that England got pretty damn lucky with Crecy and especially poitiers, both of those battles could very easily have gone the other way, in which case that loss of manpower probably ends the war on France's terms right there. Even beyond that, they also got pretty lucky with the black death striking literally right when the french crown and nobility were raising a massive fleet and levy to invade England to force the return of Calais and Gascony and avenge Crecy (yeah, that battle was by no means some knock-out blow, much as some like to pretend), that John II and later Charles VI 'the mad' were about the worst kings in French history, while Edward III and Henry V about the greatest in English history, and that Charles V 'the wise' died pretty young having reconquered pretty much everything that was lost in 1360 during the Caroline phase, aptly named after him (though tbf Henry V dying so young and Charles VII 'the victorious' living so long kinda balances that out). In summary, England really in most games should not get as far as they did in OTL unless in the hands of a very capable player, and any 'final' victory a la Tours following Agincourt IRL should be almost, but not quite, impossible to pull off and maintain, both because of game-balance reasons (good luck playing anywhere near a united franco-british union) and for the sake of realism.

[@CatladyAyaki]

You're the best Ludi!!!

[@artquimine2170]

As a French, I think that they putted way too much flatlands. I know that some areas are hilly, like in Morvan, in Britanny, in Normandy or in Pas de Calais for examples

[@bajlozi6873]

Btw, à quelle vitesse la conversion culturelle devrait-elle être?

[@SireBab]

​@@bajlozi6873given that the centralization or French didn't really escalate until the 18th and 19th century, probably pretty slow outside of the langue d'oil areas. Bretagne's celtic areas are *still* culturally distinct in 2024, so yknow.

[@unhommequicourt]

I agree but you used the wrong examples. Brittany and pas de calais are extremely flat. Especially compared to other French regions like bourgogne

[@Guib130]

I can guarantee you Ludi that France did not have as many drills. At that time everyone farmed and wood was used extensively for construction, so it was rather rare.

[@ugodupont4376]

The division between Gallo and Breton in Brittany on cultural map mod is accurate, the Gallo was the indigenous population in Brittany who were there before the British migration, they speak a Latin language, the "Gallo", the "Bretons" was population coming from British isles and speak a brittonic language called "Breton" or "brezhoneg" in this language

[@ms_publisher7143]

I wonder if the French appenages etc are a shade of blue because they are subjects of France (meaning that will maybe be a feature of the game) or if it’s because they haven’t decided their map colours yet

[@thavis3116]

They said in a previous tinto talk that there is an option to make subject in the same color as the overlord. ( they said it while replying to a comm in the forum. Forgot which tinto talk it was tho ). So it certainly is because they are subject

[@SireBab]

The sand pm is definitely showing a stained glass window, so probably sand into glass, as making gems from sand doesn't make a lot of sense.

[@thibauddurand1742]

France was actually deforested very early in history, which turned out to be a probleme from the 15th century for pretty important things like boats building (a pretty sizable issue when you constantly try to invade England...). French kings regularly had to plant forest (Louis XIV for example) which is why there's so much oaks in French forest. Another example are the royal roads, which were mainly constructed for moving armies around and were planted on leather sides with trees growing straights and hight so they could be used for siege warfare (some of those roads are still visible today). France hasn't had as many forests as today almost since antiquity ;)

[@danvernier198]

Calling the hundred years war a war between the English and the French is a bit of a misnomer. It's a war between three branches of the French royal house, the Duke of Burgundy just happens to control the Netherlands and the Duke of Aquitaine just happens to control England. It is that loss of the Duke of Aquitaine's French posessions that then makes them begin to speaking English and integrate into English culture creating the modern English language and ethnos.

[@sebe2255]

They then also get overthrown by the Welsh of all people

[@pricel141l]

A few details here from a well educated frenchman : - Aquitaine didn't actually exist during this time, the king of England was titled as duke of Guyenne since the 1258 treaty of Paris restoring french suzerainety over english Aquitaine, renamed Guyenne to exclude from its juridiction the duchy of Gascogne/Gascony, I suggest the TAG will be used to symbolize english rule over southern France but note that its a gameplay simplification - The geographic maps shown here are actually mostly historical, the reason France was seen as a continental threat by the english AND the germans altogether is because due to its agricultural productivity its population skyrocketed and the french crown had the possibility the levy massive troops from this, but this would wait until the 1789 revolution for french authorities to actually make a use of this advantage - The cultures are also mostly correct, in fact its even quite generous toward the celtic bretons since most of the time the majority of Britanny's population was gallo-french speaking

[@pooch7245]

They NEED to add Monaco! It is a historically significant location

[@Siege181]

From a British point of view, I’d prefer Anjou and Artois to the other options!

[@Tho-ugh-t]

man imagine these amazing forests from 500 years ago... i would give so much to go for a walk in one lol

[@Chuck12312]

Ah this map looks beautiful! but I think I prefer that vassals in Eu4 had their own colour and not the same as every other vassal of their overlord as can be seen here

[@azteck510]

I think the "pointe de Givet" is a bit small on this map. It should go a bit deeper into the law lands.

[@unhommequicourt]

kinda hoped that brittany would be independant

[@JohnChinese320]

In the south of France tag Ora = orange (city name)

[@arturexp]

Flanders are f around😂. Thx for video!!

[@hitman5618]

Probably not ready for the torch and pitchforks but, having just stumbled onto Project Caesar today, do we know for sure it isn’t a new CK? I dont want to get my hopes up for EU5 if its a different project!

[@jonty50]

Multiple cultures and dialects in France is very accurate. It wasn’t until Louis XIV and Richelieu that the crown began to start to try and unify the language and culture as well as expand the country to its natural borders

[@TheNoldaz]

Would be nice if each era had a number of 'socially acceptable' casus belli that causes less or no agressive expansion as people think it is justified, so we can expand easier under certain circumstances

[@T4G95]

I do believe the romans did a rather large amount of deforestation over europe. Not sure if it was to the extent the map shows. But where there was rome there was need for wood.

[@rellek4053]

They better have Jeanne d’Arc event

[@AfridZaman-vr5bx]

I think dev should not add millions of small nation in eu5 and thousands of small enclave in the name of historically accurate map

[@csalvo3653]

idk if you noticed but Flanders is part of the PARIS MARKET ???. I REALLY hope they change them to the Antwerp or Bruges market again... Flemish people at that time would NOT have that shit.

[@bigguy1576]

You need to change dentists bro, just had mine pulled and i didn't have any pain or swelling at all. :)

[@iarwain89]

as french i would say its pretty accurate, except for some terrains (like massif central) The only big error is the climate map, everywhere is temperate, but not océanic. (and one patch of subtropical, wtf? )

[@jeSaisPasGPasDOriginalite]

For brittain culture, there is still a debate between Breton and gallo. Breton is the language of the coast of brittain and gallo in the language of the inside of brittain

[@unhommequicourt]

Not really. It s more a west/east division.

[@jeSaisPasGPasDOriginalite]

@@unhommequicourtc pas faux mais quand meme si tu regarde les cartes les cotes font surtout partie de la zone où on parle bretton

[@unhommequicourt]

@@jeSaisPasGPasDOriginalite nan j ai etudie la toponymie des lieux et des documents historiques et on retrouve bien un axe est ouest dans la langue. On parlait gallo a guerande, saint nazaire, saint malo, pourtant c est les côtes

[@jeSaisPasGPasDOriginalite]

@@unhommequicourt ah ok :)

[@petersantos6395]

Why is "farmland" even a vegetation type? I mean, aren't they more like buildings on top of grassland or woods? I'd love to see if the type can actually be changed and more land can be turned into farmlands

[@ShishRobot]

Damn Paradox got a L with Nice, it should be considered italian, it is in the italian region, it was italian until the second half of 1800...

[@ShishRobot]

better said as Nizza

[@reHuu-BceJleHou]

I like your holy white T-shirt, Ludi.

[@MultiNacnud]

1337 France the land of a thousand nobles, 1789 Maximilien Robespierre hold my beer.

[@ImVyke.]

So France in eu5 will kinda be like Japan right now in eu4

[@CoL_Drake]

i hope you send what you said about flanders to paradox or also write it in the forum so they know xD

[@cmsty92]

Hope you get well soon! Wisdom tooth surgery sucks :/

[@JacobH-zu1lb]

Would love to see MAJOR changes to the colonial game especially with France. EU4 colonialism is simply too fast. Countries should be able to claim land and trading rights without having to settle land. Would like this to extend to the point where the French could establish tribes, like the Iroquois, as a subject.

[@aayd5533]

great work

[@BogdanAriasu]

France had al these farmlands throughout it's history and yet, they decided that eating snails and frog legs is a good idea

[@jnicolas1128]

I'm not sure for France, but in todays germany there was less forest in the 14th century then now

[@LauftFafa]

15:55 thats mighty wrong . its known that france was highly deforasted in the middle ages and that the forest we see today in france are in fact from attempts made in 18th and 19th century. france have no more wolves for a reason . only the original forest in the mountains still have them but there was a time where wolves would enter paris and cause havoc in the 10th century. france and england too both lost nearly all their big forests in this period

[@Justplaying478]

The pain when are speaking is noticble because it is not that loud annd it sound different i hope everything is goning great i will try to be by the next stream

[@pg4173]

Where can we let comments to paradox on the caesar project?

[@SireBab]

Man England is going to be cracked in eu5, assumedly if you can consolidate France and Navarre before like 1400. That makes me really curious how the culture system will work, like can England eventually consolidate the cultures in France into one large compliant culture?

[@hoyinching9313]

As an Asian player, I start to curious what is it look like in Japan.

[@sven5798]

comment which nation you will play first when the game releases

[@AlejandroUniversalis]

I don`t think that you should change provincial cultures. It should work like in eu4, big counties create cultural unions, and it should be easier to create ones. For example if you own 50%+1 locations of your cultural group (via your subjects also counts) you can pay some money for creation of cultural union. Also you can create more then 1 cultural union with some techs or ideas and expansion of country.

[@mrbluesky744]

Je pose la question aux médiévistes français qui traînent, mais la forêt des Landes on est d'accord qu'elle existe pas au XIVe siècle ? Elle date du second empire et avant c'était une région marécageuse

[@mathieuvernet5237]

Exactement, d'où la remarque des dev d'en faire une zone "sparse" comme les zones de haute montagne (donc trop peu peuplé et trop difficile d'accès pour être vraiment pertinent à traversé ou à conquérir spécifiquement )

[@thavis3116]

De ce que je sais, il y avait bel et bien une forêt, cependant elle ne recouvrait pas autant de territoire qu'elle le fait aujourd'hui. Elle était assez petite à l'origine

[@mrbluesky744]

@@mathieuvernet5237 d'accord, je l'ai pas fait jusque là mais j'hésitais à aller sur le forum pour le préciser parce que sur CK3 c'est vraiment représenté comme la forêt de nos jours et je trouvais ça dommage. Vu comme la commu est réactive le jeu va être aussi réaliste que possible

[@mrbluesky744]

@@thavis3116 ok bon à savoir merci !

[@greatswiss4252]

1,3 mil pop for austria could be only tyrolian branch of Habsburgs

[@thanelinway3042]

8:42 capetian (kuh-PEE-shun)

[@danvernier198]

Carpet!

[@thanelinway3042]

Carpathian!

[@michaelhauser8897]

That's a lot of legumes in France. Don't they have any other vegetables?

[@McHobotheBobo]

Market Village is big hype!

[@RsgNoise]

Why is France more decentralized than England and Castille ? Foedality is only for France ? There was no duke of Wessex or Léon ?

[@iarwain89]

i won't say nything about the other countries, but for France, its due to the fact that king is pretty weak, often weaker (and poorer) than his strongest vassals. Thus he grants them previleges and autonomy to keep them in check. The whole struggle of the kings was to unify the kingdom, centralize it, destroy the revolts while everyone around wants to invade/dominate you.

[@lemangeur2poulet248]

Because in litteraly any other country that France(except HRE btw) the Vassals had little to absolutely no power

[@thavis3116]

The reason why is for gameplay reason. As previously said, vassals in other country had little to no power compared to the king ( I mean, they still had a lot, but the king had the majority ) so the feudality in the game, for most countries, is represented byt the control you have in territories. They said in this tinto map that they thought of doing that for France to, but they did not, because they would have to give a control even lower that what it is in other country ( due to the fact that French vassals were much more powerful than others ). So they opted to go with this system with France to represent the power of french vassals compared to the other, and to depict the hard process of centralization that last much longer than castille or england. Plus, don't forget that today in EU4 they have a problem : they can't add any other province to the game. Knowing that this game will focus on the era of discovery, they need to represent, so for gameplay reason they made this choice. And I do agree with them, if you want to play during the feudality phase of Europe, CK3 is here for that. At the time of EU5, most countries still were under feudality, but with a much lower level than France was

[@bajlozi6873]

ton commentaire me fait rire

[@sebe2255]

There actually was no duke of wessex no

[@SecretaryGeneralGut]

They should call this game EU4 2

[@danvernier198]

They should call Project Caesar City Skylines III.

[@derbonuspool1274]

Austria at the time would most likely only have around a million population. What you see on the map means the entire country.

[@SireBab]

I really hope the americas allow colonial nations to utilize their lands that were not heavily exploited precolombian contact. The terrain/climate divide should allow the cns to deforest and make way for farmland or at least grazing land

[@poprostupatyk]

what is irl difference between forest and woods?

[@himmla5459]

forests tend to be larger and not touched by humans

[@ferdinandfoch7816]

Forests are typically larger and denser with more old growth and more canopy coverage.