12 Reasons I Sold My Canon C200 to Buy a C70 & 5 Things I'll Miss

[@tombuck]

Do you know which Canon camera is a pirate’s favorite? You think it’d be the R, but ‘tis the C.

[@CalebWojcik]

How did the pirate get his camera so cheaply? He bought it on sail. 🤣

[@tombuck]

@@CalebWojcik it seemed like a good deal until he had trouble with the audio sinking. 😬

[@bkrnj_]

Please keep this going....😂😂😂

[@neurojitsu]

He never turned to look back, rowing from the R after he had torched it. "Ooh-Rrr, run a-far," he sang, as the C'enty had just captured his heart. Her silhouette against the setting sun made his eyes swell up, as it somehow reminded him of his mis-spent youth, serving as first mate on the tiny crew of a Chinese Junk, and pilfering from its cargo. As he rowed towards his new C'enty, admiring the cut of her smaller jib, the sun lit a rye smile on his face. He'd anchored his C T'undred in Eee Bay, where he'd managed to fleece some greenhorn into buying her with stories of her legendary raw power. He'd told him how Uncle Caleb had said to him as a boy, "Build up your Resolve, son, and it will make you a man." He pittied the greenhorn who'd find out soon enough what it's like to man-handle the old girl in a storm. M'thinks he'll need plenty of that Resolve, he chuckled to himself.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks for this, Caleb. I feel about the same except I kept the C200 as a b-cam. Like you, I find that I rarely need to shoot raw for corporate video. If I take the time to get exposure and white balance right, there just isn't a big difference. I always appreciate your very practical perspective on cameras. Thanks for bringing sanity to the camera review world!

[@CalebWojcik]

Thanks for the kind words Curtis. What are you using as an A-Cam with the C200 then?

[@curtisjudd]

@@CalebWojcik C70 😀

[@CalebWojcik]

Ah, gotcha. I decided to sell the c200 and get a second C70 for a $1,000 loss. Plus the EF adapter cost. Just really never used the raw and wanted two of the same. Selling a set of old Kino-flo’s I don’t use anymore made it almost break even. Now to sell my two C100 Mark II’s...

[@curtisjudd]

@@CalebWojcik Way to stretch your dollars!

[@f0t0b0y]

5:36 Amen. I shoot fir Biz Journals and the last thing I need is a massive rig. Run and gun 4 life.

[@BryanVacchio]

And little did he knew Canon was going to put internal RAW in the C70 a year later.

[@travisjones7169]

Try black balancing your C200 more often, like all the time. This was a game changer for my C200 Raw noise level.

[@ChroniclesofGhoul]

How often would you recommend

[@travisjones7169]

@@ChroniclesofGhoul anytime there’s a major shift in temperature switching locations, or at least at the start of a work day. I try to remember to black balance at lunch or halfway through the day. Hope this helps.

[@OhanaFilms]

The C200 should give anyone much more than just a few more years of service. We still have a C100 MKI in service that’s like 7 or 8 years old. It’s not our A cam (C200 is) or even our B cam, but we put it in the mix when needed and it’s still great.

[@tylerherrinton2597]

Great video Caleb. Just got my C70 3 days ago and I’m pretty much ready to sell my C200 and buy another. It’s better than I could have hoped. Excited to see what videos you make about it after you’ve spent some more time with it!

[@JimboSkinner]

The camera actually reads each pixel (sensor site, really) twice. Each read operates at 1/120th of a second. This is why DGO is only available on shooting speeds that can divide into 120. So 24 fps (120/5), 30 fps (120/4) and 60 fps (120/2) all work.

[@xuanzhou8068]

so I can't get DGO image when shooting 25 fps?

[@cinnabun1046]

Great video, but I don’t think your description of how DGO works is very accurate. Mainly that it’s NOT a setting you can turn on and off. The camera is always using DGO unless you are filming in a frame rate higher that 60p. Also at least in my understanding of DGO it’s not deciding if each pixel should be a “bright” or “dark” one, but exposing the image twice at different levels and blending them together. With the goal of protecting saturation in the highlights and minimizing noise in the shadows.

[@CalebWojcik]

Yeah, did some more reading about DGO after filming this video to fully understand it. Thanks for the comment and insight!

[@PaulStrople]

I too evaluate the DR of my cameras on a pickle by pickle basis. 😂

[@alvinburrell]

Good sensible video. I have a C200 am am looking to buy a C70 as my B/A Cam.

[@CalebWojcik]

Good choice! They will go well together filming in Canon Log 3.

[@nerfbutt]

After spending many hours going back and forth over the pros and cons of the latest batch of amazing cameras (A7S3, Komodo Red, FX6, C70), I've landed on the C70 for most of the reasons you present in this video. The FX6 is probably the closest competitor in terms of shooting style and in some ways is better than the C70 (better ND implementation for example and RAW output). However, losing XLR audio for gimbal shots is a dealbreaker. Plus, the FX6's clunky autofocus per Philip Bloom's review just sounds like a headache. After running some HEVC quality tests, I think I'm going to switch my workflow to HEVC. I'm burning through hard drives way too fast. The expense is getting out of hand. So I appreciate that the C70 is HEVC capable. 95% of my work ends up on KZbin anyway. I need to do some more tests and see how well 10bit 422 HEVC grades, but I'm crossing my fingers. My favorite shooting style was with my 5D3 using an HDMI-connected EVF (Zacuto's Z-Finder Pro, which I think they call the Act EVF Pro now). I look forward to replicating that with the C70. I've got a Blackmagic P6K all rigged up with a cage, rails, grips, follow focus, etc. It's great, but it's also ridiculously heavy and bulky. It's fine for indie film work, but a total pain for corporate stuff. I'm looking forward to getting back to a simpler workflow. The C70 is an inch away for being my perfect camera. Maybe Rev 2 or a C90 will get us closer, but the C70 is a great start. Just add SDI, RAW, Sony's ND tricks, Gyro metadata, better autofocus (in low light and high frame rates, plus Eye AF). Easier said than done to be sure. I'd also like a rotatable side grip like the FX6. Oh, and a complete touch screen menu system, not just partial.

[@The_Guth]

I'm going back and forth with the C70 & FX6. I own a c200 and i have a sony a7iii for passion projects. That being said, i'm invested in both systems fairly well, having decent glass for both but also being on the fence about which would do better on terms of look and workflow capabilities. i love my c200 for the RAW workflow and the look i get out of it. Looking into the fx6 or even the sony a7siii seemed like nice cameras to go about and just a matter of migrating the glass and the look of the full frame those cameras could provide. But also in other hand was having the ease of use on set with maybe the c70 since the canon menus and all that stuff are a lot enjoyable to use. When i pick up my canon feels a joy to use and i dont think about so much the technical side of things, when i pick up my sony i feel like it's a machine and i wont get much of the experience out and it feels like just a "job" when im using it for client work but it DELIVERS. And yes one last point that made me back off the Fx6 was that touch auto focus, the cheaper a7siii has a better ease of use.

[@isaiahkazarovich]

Great to hear your thoughts, Caleb! I'd be really interested to see a c100 mkii and c70 comparison. I've been really impressed with the c100's ability to hold up to newer cameras, so I'm curious how it holds up to this one. Keep up the awesome work!

[@jaegermah]

How could anyone dislike da homie Caleb. He speaks the truth! Good job Big C. Thanks for your honest review.

[@bennybbergeron]

*Checks C70 and C200 prices* "Ok I guess I'll stick with the C100 Mark I"

[@CalebWojcik]

Hahaha, I’m selling a couple C100 Mark II’s if you’re looking to get a matching B-Cam.

[@NickVanHouse]

@@CalebWojcik how much for the c100v

[@bennybbergeron]

@@CalebWojcik Not in a position to add another camera yet unfortunately... One day.

[@CalebWojcik]

@@NickVanHouse Probably just under $2,000. Email me at calebwojcik.com/contact and we can chat more.

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

Bgh1 is your cam

[@LearningCurveTech]

Only issue is that the C70 is literally twice the price and all native lenses are way more expensive. Otherwise, it's better in many ways

[@avdcam]

I have the speed booster! Direct from Canon sent me one :). And the screen is pretty bright as long as you up the backlight (luminance) setting.

[@CalebWojcik]

I can't see anywhere on their website to order one. Did you buy it bundled or something?

[@avdcam]

@@CalebWojcik I ordered through a Canon Rep, (a Canadian one) I don't any US ones.

[@gearreallydoesntmatter]

I’m probably alone in thinking it was the right move to not give an in between codec option. The 10 bit files of the time was terrible to work with imo. Might have gotten better since.

[@avarmadillo]

a really good point.. Even today I have to transcode ALL of the Canon footage so it will run smoothly in FCPX. that's the beauty of shooting the Pocket 6k using Pro Res HQ or 422.

[@avdcam]

Just to clarify a little bit on DGO, because each pixel is split in half for Dual Pixel AF, they hacked it to allow each split photo site to exposure twice at the same time. It’s not two different pixels.

[@SVECMEDIA]

Great advices Caleb!! Totally agree with a lot of your opinions! For 95% of my projects, I don't need RAW recording. It really just slowdown my whole process of delivering the video to my client. And also the client wouldn't see the difference. For that 5% I can anytime just rent RED camera to shoot in RAW... I'm definitely gonna replace my camera with C70 too.

[@gibbyvisuals]

Appreciate the video! As a C200/R5 owner this is some great info. I think once we get more into RF lenses we’ll do the same.

[@TVperson1]

If the c100 mark ii is still being sold new in 2021, I'd think a used c200 would be good for the next 7-8 years. As computing power gets better, the RAW lite workflow should be even easier. I'm still trying to work out if I should get an FS5, C200 or C300 mark ii I think it would be ideal,

[@ErisedMediaCo]

You can’t use all 3 input types at once. You could use both XLR on 1 and 2 and the mic input on 3 and 4. I’ve never been able to assign the mic to 3 and internal mic to 4 and have never seen a setting for this.

[@brmoogma]

I hope, the rumors of a c200 MKII are right....The C70 is not the right camera for me.....

[@johnnyboy3327]

good clearcut presentation

[@CalebWojcik]

Glad you think so!

[@FairDinkumAussieBloke]

I have the XC10 and have used the loupe viewfinder. It makes the camera feel better to film with but takes away the ability to use the on-screen menus. The XC10 does not have alot of button controls so I rarely use the loupe even though I love it. Heads up... This is my personal channel. Not much XC10 to see

[@TausifHussain]

This was very helpful Caleb! Thank you so much.

[@chrisbrockhurst]

Wish i could say I’m surprised to see you here hahaha

[@TausifHussain]

@@chrisbrockhurst LOL Chris stop stalking me 😂😂

[@KaiOpua]

Thank you for a thoughtful, super informative video. I have a C70 on order and really appreciate your real world perspectives.

[@lb7144]

Panasonic just crushed both of these Canon Cinema cameras. I currently have the C100 MKII & 90d. I was looking forward to grabbing a used C200 or new C70. Panasonic dropped the Lumix S5II and it’s $2,300.00 new. The S5II has more features that both of Canon’s Cinema cameras at half the price of the C70. A used C200 Will run you $2,100 to $3,000. Canon better get their act together.

[@OneShotFilmmaker]

Why do you have it and I don’t ...I ordered it months ago and even paid full price right away lol so jealous

[@CalebWojcik]

I mentioned in my unboxing video where I bought mine from and how if you call around to smaller camera stores instead of waiting for a pre-order from somewhere like B&H you will probably get yours sooner.

[@ebinrock]

There are quite a number of cameras these days with *a* timecode connector, but to my knowledge ONLY the ENG-style 2/3" video camcorders of old had TWO timecode connectors, one in AND one out, so you could daisy-chain timecode to a bunch of cameras if you wanted, for synched iso-recording (e.g., I shot a music video with fellow videographers years ago with 2 cameras shooting different angles synched to the music playback deck). Although not used very often, I would like to see cameras with separate TC IN and OUT connectors again.

[@OppositeDreams]

So now you get the Raw in the new firmware update!

[@bobuk5722]

Hi Caleb, I'm not sure you have the dual pixel workings explained correctly but they certainly are a big plus. I can readily see the sense in most of your reasons for changing. What I don't understand is why Canon produced a thicker mirrorless style cinema camera and left out a n eye level viewfinder. BobUK.

[@1stElement]

100% agree with you regarding the rigged cameras that people post on socials - I wonder how many people actually use those rigs in those configurations? The C70 looks perfect for my needs and it’s on the shopping list...!!

[@sammorganmoore]

ALso it seems like you might be going down a bad hole with RF lenses as this is a non speed boosted S35 camera while R 'DSLR' are 'full frame' so you will be sratching you head on what is wide (for example) 17 or 24 (or more ideall 15 or 20) If you buy S35 lenses for this C70 they wont move to full frame be that and R 'dslr' or the 'C80' being the full frame C70. Full coverage EF glass works boosted or not and on EF or RF mount cams

[@eifionjones8513]

That’s exactly what I thought

[@robjamesvideo]

Great video - hasn't helped me make a decision at all but that's nobody's fault. I'm a happy C200 owner and the would C70 offer me some advantages and other disadvantages - I often rig my C200 into a shoulder mounted configuration whereas the C70 looks like the offspring of a Canon C300iii and a Blackmagic Pocket. I'm going to have to physically get my hands on one and shoot with the C70 to work this one out.

[@SIDSTARRSTUDIO]

Thanks for the tips and advice!!

[@henrytjernlund]

People get so into the numbers. I concentrate on the content. I do thank you for the video. I heard lots of new terms that I should learn.

[@bricecarette8509]

Thank you for this video. Appreciate the amount of information :) Will come a time where I'll have to choose between the Sony FX6 or the C70.... If you have any thoughts.... ;)

[@scottievee7467]

Thanks. I feel I made a good decision with a C70 that's coming soon.

[@xray111xxx]

Awesome. Every buy the C70 so I can someday buy the C200 used or a C70 used. I am patient and I can wait. I never pay new prices for new gear. I am just too happy to wait. Canon and Sony are my bodies in the waiting game.

[@f0t0b0y]

Average sale on eBay is 4K +\- That’s pretty damn good when upgrading systems.

[@LessLonely]

Can't wait to get my hands on the C70!

[@lecommis6842]

Hi Caleb, isn't simpler convert the raw files into proxies with Adobe Media Encoder ?

[@CalebWojcik]

Simpler than having my C70 camera make them in real-time? Having to wait for my computer to make proxies is wasted time.

[@lecommis6842]

@@CalebWojcik you're right I guess but I can't wrap my head aronde where to put the proxies and the raw files to have premiere getting acces to them.

[@CalebWojcik]

@@lecommis6842 This video should help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5Obh6eQjZtljqM

[@lecommis6842]

@@CalebWojcik tanks A LOT 😁😁

[@noliserban]

Excelent video! I want to buy a C70 and I have 6 Sigma Art lenses. I m very curious how is AF tracking with your 18-35mm Sigma. Thank you

[@CalebWojcik]

Will do some tests.

[@noliserban]

@@CalebWojcik Thank you

[@SteadyRolling]

The speed booster adds a stop. Does this mean that if the light meter recommends f/4, the lens should be set at f/5.6?

[@CalebWojcik]

Yes

[@avarmadillo]

Good review, Caleb. You outlined the very things I was sure you would miss on the C200. Regarding 10 bit---yes, it's a shame, but if most of what you do is for KZbin (and not Netflix) isn't 10 bit overkill? And you can get 10 bit for grade by transcoding the RAW in Davinci. But False Color, for me, would be a big deal! The thing that makes me not buy into the C70 is the lack of an EVF----very awkward for certain types of shooting. How easy is it to see the LCD of the C70 in bright outside light? Is it as good as the BMPCC6k Pro? That screen is great!

[@CalebWojcik]

It is definitely not bright enough to see in direct sunlight, but with a LCD sunhood and the luminance turned all the way up it is usable outside. You could always get an external EVF or use a 3000nit monitor.

[@CalebWojcik]

8-bit really starts to degrade once you grade it, and the Canon Log 2 & 3 profiles are much better with 10-but files. Also, I didn’t want to have to film in RAW and then have to transcode all my footage just to get 10-bit files.

[@TruthReviews]

Do you think c200 or c100 mark ii would match the C70 as a good B Cam?

[@akarca]

harika video olmuş. hayalimdeki kamera c70. her yerde göze batmadan sinema kalitesinde çekim yapabilirsin. bayıldım. lotodan para çıkarsa veya yüksek bütçeli bir kaç iş yaparsam bunu mutlaka alacağım. aynı fikirlerdeyiz sayın Caleb. teşekkürler.

[@stevenkralovec]

Aynen. c70’le her yerde göze batmadan sinema kalitesinde çekim yapabilirsin. Çok güzel bir şey. Sony FX3 de iyi görünüyor ama gerçek bir sinema kamerası değilmiş (ND yok, shutter angle yok, filan filan) ama aynı zamanda sinema kalitesi de çekiyor. Çok ilginç kameralar. Kötü Türkçe için kusura bakma

[@sammorganmoore]

Nice vid. Im a FS7 owner looking to lose mass and gain AF - Im considering a change to FX9 or C70.. and have currently concluded that C200 is for me! Your comments on size - it seems (im a movi pro user) that the C70 will be massive once it has XLR and HDMI popping out of the side and the, handle removed, C200 much tidier especially given cable locations. Any comment? You also say the C200 af dies above 60 - can you confirm when/if the C70 af dies. Also you say C200 not touchscreen? Ill have to clarify what you mean by that watching your linked review.

[@shawnwright240]

Good job. Look forward to more c70 stuff

[@VariTimo]

There’re no chapter marks on the video time line when you separate them like this.

[@CalebWojcik]

Thanks for the heads-up. Should work now. Turns out "the first timestamp you list starts with 00:00. Your video should have at least three timestamps listed in ascending order. The minimum length for video chapters is 10 seconds." I didn't have the first one starting at 0:00.

[@vtfilms9580]

Loved this review 🔥

[@johncl27]

I presently shoot interviews with artists for galleries and some musical events on my two C100mkii's and am probably going to have to soon go to something capable of 4K capture and have been looking with interest at the C70...this video kinda confirms my thoughts on them...and what I would miss about the C100's...or do I go with a price reduced second hand C200 or two?

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

Plz do the highest quality c70 can do because I always feel the quality is weak

[@robertm3951]

12-bit RAW requires much less processing than 10-bit H.264. RAW just requires faster media. You do not have to believe Canon when they say C200 is incapable of 10-bit H.264 but 12-bit RAW is not evidence to the contrary.

[@CalebWojcik]

Totally makes. Having to process it is different than providing a raw feed from the sensor. Still seems odd considering you could record 4:2:2 at 1080p though and SO many c200 asked for it.

[@TruthReviews]

Thank you for the great videos. Would you recommend the 24-105 RF or the 24-105 EF + Speedbooster? AF and IS is important to me and I worry the EF+Speedbooster option would be slower to AF or the IS won't be as good. Any thoughts on this? Many thanks.

[@CalebWojcik]

RF lenses are going to be better overall. The only thing the speedbooster will give you is a wider field of view, but for every other facet the RF will be better.

[@Patrick-jj5nh]

your videos are really thorough, that is much appreciated - thank you! do you have any advice on c70 vs eva1 , i m looking to upgrade from c100 mk ii finally, doing mostly doc and corporate work, eva with SDI seems like a good cam still, but is the c70 image along with the autofocus worth missing out on that?

[@CalebWojcik]

I wasn’t a huge fan of the eva1’s ergomics (you can watch my whole video). The ergonomics for handheld work aren’t great out of the box on the C70 but with a better third party top handle and a monitor it would work well. I love my C70’s so far. Maybe rent each to test them first?

[@switch-lit]

Do you think the C70 is a legitimate replacement for C300 Mark 2?

[@CalebWojcik]

If you don’t need an EVF and can deal without SDI and some of the other physical limitations, the image quality is just as good as the C300 II.

[@GeorgeLoch]

Maybe I missed it, but what b-cam are you using with the C70? Clog2 or 3?

[@CalebWojcik]

I picked up a second C70. Maybe will get the C300 III as my a cam in 2021 or 2022. Will probably filmed in log 2 and log 3 depending on what I’m filming. Honestly, rec. 709 is enough for my in studio filming.

[@ariesmight6978]

Hello Caleb I have a technical question for you. With the Canon C70, can you select a single. Individual frame and print it?

[@CalebWojcik]

In your video editing program you could technically select a frame and export it as an image and then print that, sure. You'd want to use a pretty fast shutter speed if there is movement though.

[@ariesmight6978]

@@CalebWojcik Thank you...your response is very informative. With a point that sends me off thinking.

[@Itsaknightslife]

Have you had a chance to use this with the original ronin s? Does it balance well for you?

[@CalebWojcik]

Haven’t tried it yet. Need to.

[@muhammadrizqi9431]

hi caleb nice video, could you use the speedbooster on the r5 and shoot on the crop mode? what i heard the crop mode on the R5 does not overheat

[@CalebWojcik]

I’ve heard it works, yeah. I haven’t received my 0.71x adapter yet though.

[@filmartig]

Any confirmations on raw output via hdmi?

[@CalebWojcik]

Can’t do it I believe.

[@OppositeDreams]

@@CalebWojcik March you get Raw!

[@CalebWojcik]

@@OppositeDreams Chex yes

[@ryanrusso2954]

I thought there was no All-I in the c70

[@thomasmarziale9059]

Hey nice video. Really Informative. Do you think that in 5 years time this camera will still be up to date enough?

[@CalebWojcik]

I would say yes. I still use my Canon 100 Mark II 6 years later and upscale it to 4K. Still looks great.

[@thomasmarziale9059]

@@CalebWojcik Cool Thanks

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

Like the c200 served u well why you condemning it...it's a good camera u moved on okay

[@SP95]

No Raw 😥

[@CalebWojcik]

Yeah. I didn't use it in the C200 though, so not a huge loss for me.

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

I don't get it are u broke why must u sell in order to get the next one

[@jaegermah]

Maybe he’s on a budget? Maybe doesn’t want to take out a loan? Maybe he is saving for a house? Maybe he wants to sell the C200 while he can get a higher dollar (before it becomes a paper weight)? So many possibilities.

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

@@jaegermah it only becomes paperweight if everyone sells it one go....I just feel like one has to sell one ..it just drives a negative ...he didn't say I need money or battery and memory ...but I hate people needing to sell to buy the next...

[@jaegermah]

@@maxmaxmaxgoon5602 I see ur point. But, I’ve done exactly that my entire 10 yr career.. sold every camera to buy the next. Allows me maximize the return on my asset. The biggest piss-off for me is Canon. They continually cripple their cameras. Why on earth is the C200 so limited with its video formats?? They could easier upgrade the firmware.. but nope. I started as a Canon fan boy 10 yrs ago, but that company had forced me to hate them. Anyway, sorry.. got on a rant there :)

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

@@jaegermah I just feel like if you want raw ever ....only you know best will u ever need raw....only question... has c200 raw got better colour or sharpness...if neat video is used

[@jaegermah]

@@maxmaxmaxgoon5602 very true.. for crying out loud, “why can’t someone make the perfect camera!!!??” Then we can just move on with our lives 🤣🤣😅😂.

[@Ehsan-Yousaf]

C200 is much better than c70

[@maxmaxmaxgoon5602]

I believe that too the 12 bit is unmatchble