125cc | Honda Grom vs. Kawasaki Z125 Pro vs. Kymco K-Pipe 125 vs. SSR Razkull 125

[@Motorcyclecom]

We have since improved our audio recording and mixing. Sorry if the music takes away from this video. We hope you enjoy the video! We had a lot of fun!

[@brianmccann666]

Looked Fun. So Razkull huh ?

[@Partnerthedog]

They're just being picky babies. I wonder how the benelli 135 would do

[@fredoc9125]

Hey Guys, can you turn off the background music on your reviews, it is useless and makes it hard to hear what the hell you are actually saying.

[@brianmccann666]

Agreed.

[@protectork9831]

they have been getting that comment for last 10 years and nothing has changed. maybe they can now learn a thing or two from reviewers like Revzilla and F9 ryan.

[@NastyKickey1979]

I like ur music so haaard! Rocks!

[@bobbouchee1452]

Ya ill never get it why people ruin their videos with music like wtf

[@MVF2024]

I've owned a Razkull for about a month now. Absolutely love it. I upgraded the Carb, Manifold, deleted the air box, added an air filter, and went with an M4 Exhaust. Can run 70 +mph on flat ground, and I weigh 190 pounds. Would readily recommend. I find myself on the Razkull far more than I am on my ZZR600.

[@raskelldashlara5856]

Razkull Rider 125 how is the razkull doing. how hard was it to do the carb and manifold.. any tips would help I'm in so.cal and thinking of going to SSR motorsports to get me a razkull..

[@MVF2024]

Check out my channel, I have videos that chronicle what I did to the Razkull and how it was done! Thanks!

[@YourLocalRaccoon]

Would love to see an update on these 4 same bikes. They've all gotten new tech and all I believe have gone up in power a bit.

[@ws8080]

Plus add the CFMoto Pappio to the mix. I don't think SSR is selling the Razkull anymore, but the Benelli TNT135 is same company overall and could be reviewed.

[@madmaxxmad2]

I enjoyed the review, but man the background music... shut that off while they are talking.

[@brianmccann666]

Agreed.

[@jacobgolden8524]

Yes, please.

[@Tay675]

The best shootout this magazine has ever had and I put my seal of approval on it

[@Motorcyclecom]

Wow, high praise. Thanks!

[@elmerkemp5316]

I concur look like fun

[@AMPATL]

I also concur.

[@TheSaneRider]

Love my grom. Do wish the tank was a bit bigger though. Didn't even know about the razcull until now. Seems like a cool bike

[@1990-t1j]

Cut the generic rock music FFS.

[@Alpine_Joe]

Yep ... totally unnecessary.

[@starmjmohammedaljazi5920]

1990 yes

[@WyreForestBiker]

Agree ... pet hate of mine , motorcycle=crappy rock music ... condescending B/S.

[@Mike_and_Life]

david jay you're right... sort of like sports and hip hop.... and eating a steak and country music..

[@koheio.1222]

That ssr looks exactly like a ducati monster

[@mrinalchoudhury7423]

Kohei O. thats a ducati monster with a Harry Potter magic spell gone wrong..

[@MrSimon9100]

same color scheme as my street triple r :D

[@seansamurai1981]

I thought that myself, looks kinda cool

[@SLFYSH]

Kohei O. Yeah, looks great! But when they're trying to say how great it is based on decals...not so confident.

[@Huligan722]

i think it's more like some naked mv agusta looking

[@tyki7915]

as a kymco owner i have to defend it. they are RELIABLE and quick after break in. i've had yamahas and hondas that were less reliable.

[@HoldFastFilms]

I'd want that SSR just to park it next to my Monster!

[@LAY9706]

Hold Fast When I saw that bike I thought Ducati got into the 125 game

[@HoldFastFilms]

Liam Arvin Me too! But it would not cost $1,800 LOL!

[@Indarow]

Get the SSR for the kids so you can be matching.

[@kalbelloz153]

Yeah me to at first glance

[@SanFernandoLarraz]

Ducati Monster is just it, a MONSTER

[@1IdeaAhead]

Razkull wins for the money

[@F3EDER]

Looks great too!

[@liam7164]

Grom wins on quality

[@gohachi5313]

I had a good time watching this review. The only bike I was aware of within these 4 was the Grom. Thanks for bringing these others to my attention. Keep up the great videos guys!

[@Nrijder]

The SSR design is just a bit better than the Grom, but I am a still more a Grom fan.

[@T28spwn]

shut that music off during the dialogue please

[@Dustin42076]

I love my OG 2015 Grom and i had fun upgrading it to I put a intake pod filter full two brothers exhaust DCR camshaft and Power commander 5 with the Auto tune kit and had it dyno tuned and now it has 13.4 HP and i top out at 74mph without full tucking im 185LBS and i can go up hills at 65 in a tuck no problem next im going to do the oil spinner delete kit and might go up to a 16 tooth drive sprocket and if i have a extra 1200 bucks i might get the BST carbon fiber rims to see if i can get past 80mph without hitting the rev limiter. So for another 1000 bucks you can wake up this little motor to do so much more without spending 2500 buck for a big bore kit that might blow up lol.

[@joshmayne2853]

so you bought a 125cc for $3200. put $1000 into and now it's as fast as a 250cc. you've spent the same money as if you'd just bought a 250cc to begin with. but now you've maxed out the 125 whereas if you'd started with a 250 you'd have a lot more to go.

[@TheGardenSnake]

The Groms a great hill climb bike... 😉

[@rubenbaez7473]

Jake TheGardenSnake 😂😂

[@tommysv6502]

Jake TheGardenSnake don't you regret selling it now?

[@numberninelarge3121]

Jake TheGardenSnake yees

[@dankmemes9316]

didn't expect to find you here. how are you?

[@scottybhoy8375]

jake get a 160cc yx racing engine it will fit comes from a pit bike which the grom is a carbon copy you can get up 22hp from some of the yx engines they are beastly for the size of em

[@skabootykat]

and as usual,the reliability remains a big mystery in these tests.

[@jessaphillips2846]

For every foreigner calling them out on this, we don't get the Aprilia RS 125, the Yamaha R15, or any of the other 125/150cc "learner bikes" in the US. These are the only 125's that we can get and ride on the street here.

[@GIGABACHI]

SunzOffski It's the not worth it part + overpriced for what they are. BAM ! guaranteed fail on the land of bigger it's better mentality. 😂

[@akiimo389]

Im not from the US but i can tell you why. You can do Car license and Motocycle License at age 16 and you can drive everything you want basically. Thats why you dont need 125's there.

[@carmelorafaeldtansengco1462]

It's always been that way with the US market. During the 80's, a lot of Japanese home market bikes were tested by magazines like Cycle, Cycle World, Motorcyclist and Cycle Guide. I have the November 1984 issue of CW and the September 1984 issue of CG. A lot of road test editors were just itching to have those bikes sold in your market but they would have been too expensive. Cycle had a special article on the Yamaha FZ250 Phazer and FZ400 in their March 1986 issue. Those bikes were actually owned by no less than the king himself, Kenny Roberts.

[@ndperson1]

Akiimo actually it is because of California laws. They have a law where a bike has to have 17 hp to be on the highway, and they don't even like the bikes that aren't legal there to arrive at their dock, so the Asian makers don't bother since that is the port

[@alexhirsch889]

please dont call em learning bikes #omahagromsquad

[@CrisKG125]

Honda Grom all the way.

[@chenyu4453]

this video needs an update! since the new grom came out, also there is Honda Monkey, Benelli TnT135 and Wolf Striker 125!

[@mr1bienvenu1]

A friend of mine has had a Kymco K-Pipe for two years now and has had zero issues with it.

[@onestudios8660]

To the editing room, easy on the color correction there. The Grom looks like a soft yellow color, and it really isnt.

[@jakestech28]

I'd go with the Honda, reliability is important.

[@ws8080]

You assume that's better than the Kawasaki? I wouldn't. It isn't like the cheap Hondas are even made by Honda half the time, and certainly are not made in Japan. But that's true for the others also.

[@politicallyincorrect7884]

I never heard of that SSR Razkull, glad I found out about it.

[@eightosaurusspelunk1598]

My ranking of these four bikes would be: 1: Honda Grom 2: Kawasaki Z125 .

[@Rick_Sanchez_C137_]

Eightosaurus Spelunk nope... FIRST PLACE - Z125PRO SECOND PLACE - GROM Especially since right now the Pro is on sale for $2189.

[@bigwilliestyle1088]

Dude that was a great video comparing all 4 of them bikes ya'll should do a upgrade series for all those bikes and give us feedback

[@ARP1714]

Really love the shootout videos that you guys do. Please do a middleweight sports tourer one too. 600-800 cc. Would be great

[@jj629ful]

That kymco look like a moped than a motorcycle

[@Perzikyoghurt]

jason jarrell The Kymco is still a small bike compared to regular bikes.

[@reesie2995]

The Grom looks way better than my CBR125R lol.

[@LamNguyen-ov1ue]

Haha SSR look like Ducati Monster and the exhaust look like Grom/MSX 125 the old model :))

[@ernestopicazo189]

Zik Nguyen lol so true, looks like a white 696

[@yurig2530]

You need to include Sym Wolf Classic 150 next time. I have it for 4 years, and it's been lot's fun. Had it and Grom at the same time, and kept the Sym.

[@SlingingLead]

I have a Kawasaki Z125 pro and it is phenomenal. I love this thing. God willing I will never sell it.

[@editoalvarez]

Constructive note: the sound mix on this video needs to be rebalanced, the fill/background is overlapping the reviewers voices.... peace

[@alteregos8949]

Great video, loved the area you were riding at what a great place. 17 Z125 pro owner here and it’s a fun bike to play with and enjoyable when you’re with your crew. Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@pookiewookie7679]

Looked like the valley

[@therealpickleahoy]

Fess up who laid down the Z125!!! That lever is fucking curled like a mustache!

[@desulv]

I'm 6'6" so i'm thinking i'd look like a bear on a unicycle. but I still want a Grom

[@thumpertorque_]

I'd choose the Kawasaki for the analogue tacho and props to the Grom for being the OG.

The kawasaki was the og they invented this class the Honda just improved on it

[@randylee2549]

And in real world driving the kawi had more jam off the line Over a grom, I have both stock for stock

[@MonstaMunch101]

I live in Cambodia where almost everyone rides 125cc because you don't need any sort of licence for it. I have a z125 but will be switching to a grom sf (marketed here as msx125 sf) in the near future. The only thing that annoys me about both bikes is that they are slower than the Honda Click 125i, which is a popular scooter for schoolgirls/teenagers here. I don't get it. Why are these bikes slower than some of the cheaper 125 scooter counterparts?

[@ProfMyronGaines]

Scooters are lighter and CVTs accelerate faster

[@cagednm69]

Because these are show bikes or stunt bikes primarily. Not fast sport bikes.

[@freedomofmotion]

Monsta Munch Whack a bigger front sprocket on if you want more top speed :)

[@101Thrillseeker]

anyone noticed the kawi clutch handle bent?

[@philipyeo7535]

Thrillseeker if you payed attention they spoke about that lol

[@DP-vd6bl]

I think that they should have mentioned the reliability of SSR's pit bikes that have been around for awhile; frame breaks, swing arm breaks, etc. No way I would drop my money on something that will most likely cause you issues, and is also likely to be gone once Ducati sues them for design infringement. They should have also mentioned that Kawasaki and Kymco have a partnership now. They don't share designs, yet, but manufacturing. The Kawasaki, although a Japanese design and brand, is built in China. Luckily though, it is to Kawasaki's standards from my understanding.

[@BluTrollPro]

This is how fun 125s should be, tiny, lightweight and fun. Not fake sportsbikes/cruisers which are just 11-14hp commuters in frocks. This type of bike plays to the strengths of the 125 making them fun even after you have a full licence to ride a 'real' sports or cruise bike.

[@jessep8281]

I didn't believe that "a gust of wind" made the bikes fell haha

[@traymuse3810]

how do I cut out the music

[@NickVetter]

@Greg Myers people who like metal like harleys and these arent sport bikes

[@alex31721able]

every review should include a drop test to see how the clutch survives

[@afletra]

it's just me or looks like you guys have a "different" video quality now, not that the videos before are bad, but this feels like have a filter or something. nice. and one great-funny video, nice!

[@Sabirwolf]

Guy needs to get his specs right at around 7:06 he gets it all wrong. 2016 Kymco K-pipe 125 Horsepower (bhp/kW) 8 / 6 Horsepower RPM 7000 Torque (Ft Lbs/Nm) 6.3 / 8.5 Torque RPM 6000

[@JLRkosmic]

I wonder if they'll do another one of these vids next year when Suzuki and Ktm bring their 125s to the US.

[@aaroncarter4458]

Would love to see a re-comparison with the spade 150

[@coyote102076]

Had a Grom. Just did not like it. But I was asking too much from it. No real interest in this class of mini bike anymore, but still I watched your comparison review from beginning to end. ALWAYS love watching y'all's reviews, even when it is about something I don't have much interest in just so I can be in the know on things. Thanks for this vid and great job!

[@808Affliction]

I bought the Z125pro over the grom! It looks cleaner and the handling was way better for me!

[@bbqBaconNinja]

I bought a Grom a few years back before the Kawi came out, thought about trading it for the Kawi but I'm already too far modded to go back lol

[@808Affliction]

Sell the grom and get a kawai! The kawai is only 2,999 sell your grom!

[@808Affliction]

Check out my channel I made a video of why. lol happy New Years

[@FPSdaybreaK]

someone crashed the z125 look at that bent ass clutch lever lol

[@GrandmasterBBC]

daybreaK Right. They mentioned it towards the end of the video that it is fell over and bent the clutch lever.

[@FPSdaybreaK]

well i commented before it finished

[@b1pig]

what i wouldn't give to have a YSR50..... back in the day, those bikes had great aftermarket support. these bikes will probably get the same attention. the prices for the honda and kawi are ridiculous, though.

[@zuriel13g]

Buying an fz07 as my first motorcycle soon. Thinking about buying an ssr for my younger brothers to learn on soon after now.

[@crono72000]

I've ridden all of these bikes. I bought the kymco k-pipe. Have had it about 8 months now and beat the piss out of it. It's a good bike for the money and can defiantly take a beating on or off road. Also k-pipes have been around in the philipeanes for a long time now it's tried n true bike. Fact: kymco makes Kawasaki and hondas small engine castings.

[@ardzye5374]

crono72000 opinion on the razkull? Local dealer sells and services them. Seems nice for a secondary beat around bike

[@SkyJack633]

I want to know more about the k-pipe! How does it handle cruising trails off road? I live right beside some big mountains

[@DaddyEric222]

SSR deserves to sell a ton of those bikes!

[@tosgem]

Another plus for the Kymco is it doesn't have an underslung exhaust, so much higher ground clearance. You could put knobbies on it (plenty of motard options with 17 inch rims) and go offroad.

[@johnsmith2591]

There's something amazing about four lads in full leathers riding around on some tiny bikes.

[@aydinlutmergp4885]

Watching this again and actually paying more attention, they really shat on the k-pipe.

[@EvilNeil187]

WHO DROPPED THE Z125?! lol

[@808Affliction]

EN187 KAWASAKI Z125 SQUAD!!!

[@EvilNeil187]

YEEETTT

[@808Affliction]

I just bought a Z125pro pretty fun bike! I also have a GSXR 600 but the Z is all stock! I want bar end mirror cuz the stocks suck! Also a fender eliminator and probably change the handle bar. Also do you recommend changing the intake? I know I want a exshast too.

[@EvilNeil187]

exhaust and intake will get you a little more power, i recommend! cheap-o bar end like I had on mine are 14$ on ebay go right on the stock handle bars no mods!

[@808Affliction]

Great! Thank you do you recommend any fender eliminator ?

[@Rmason898]

I can’t decide between these bikes they’re all new from the dealership. The 2018 Grom at $3900 OTD, 2017 Razkull at $2500 OTD, or 2017 Hellcat $1000 Shipped.

[@tukayo]

WAIT. Is that the most interesting man in the world?

[@melaniecarrington7408]

tukayo these

[@cosmicdarkmatter1128]

looks like him...(but without a beer)

[@ViceVersaMusik1]

You guys at Motorcycle.com are awsome! Keep up the great work.

[@Motorcyclecom]

Thanks!

[@toadamine]

kymko looks like its the clear winner with the larger wheels. tiny wheels are super skittish, and make then feel like scooters.

[@theozchannel7557]

Would it be possible for you guys to make a review on Benelli tnt series I think your missing out on that one and it just might becomes an attraction

[@pyao2x]

The SSR does not have a trellis frame. The trellis frame is just bolted there for show. :)

[@Thesaviorsway]

Tnt 135 beats all! 11.3hp 7.3 tq 135cc 2 spark plugs Oil & Air cooled 5 speed transmission 2 valve head 1.9 liter tank Dual exhaust pipe on the side under seat Analog display rev counter Aggressive led lights Trellis frame 266 lbs. My z125 makes a lot more power now but the tnt135 is brutal!

[@umaxen0048]

If you're older and looking for a utility bike? The K is the only choice. Normal size and pretty good top speed (70) even for single exit freeway trips to the store or work. I'm 52, 5'11" and 205 and felt like a mouse on the Honda and Kawasaki. Silly for adults...

[@cristmendez18]

Hey guy where can I buy this in Ontario Canada I can't find it

[@iFulixzer]

If u want one of those bikes in norway you can multiply the price in the states with x2,3 :/

[@matt_spencer_photos4102]

Jaeta only x2 or x3?? Its about $3300 here in the states. Times that by 2 or 3 that's only $6600 or $9900. $3300 usd in Norwegian kron is $27,700! Its way cheaper there!

[@a2dskins]

SSR stands for "Super Safe Rides" but i've seen their engines snap in half and SSR refused to warranty manufacture defects. After years of selling their products I had to stop because they left customers with broken and dangerous vehicles. When you buy one, just remember the "Warranty" is useless. Great looking bike otherwise!

[@motogromer8703]

I have a grom and I have to be honest I absolutely love it, things a blast!

[@Stealthplate]

Hey when you guys doing a 2018 125 cc shoot out ?

[@troyna77]

thanks. i really appreciate some "actual" reviews on these 125 bikes.

[@greggutman5863]

Yea you gotta figure the aftermarket support for the grom and z125 are alot better than the others also cause that is a massive deal with these things they are all about the mods and is part of what makes them so fun

[@Sig721Tau]

When are you guys going to do a Honda Rebel 300 & 500 review?

[@pasha6833]

Great video, it's really nice to see how 4 similar motorcycles made in 4 different countries compare.

[@YourLocalRaccoon]

Kawasaki and Honda are both Japan

[@bens6865]

@@YourLocalRaccoon not made there, neither of of them

[@YourLocalRaccoon]

@@bens6865 I didn't say they were made there. I said the companies themselves are Japanese

[@hope4surf]

Great review!!! Thank you!

[@kenwolfe5697]

5:27 What did you guys do to the Z125 clutch lever!?

[@A7XBilly]

where is the best of them all? Benelli tornado 125?

[@7UDRO]

it's a lie

[@muleoutpost8156]

Have y'all ever tested the hyosung gt250r? I am looking for another fun bike for the stable. I currently still own my first street bike (2003 SV650) and my 2014 Victory XC. I would like to see an honest shootout comparison similar to this video, only in the 250/300cc sport bike class. Is something like this in the works?

[@LEEJOEVANNOY]

do you think you guys could do a 650cc sports bike shootout Kawasaki just came out with their new 650 be awesome to see

[@tomedgar4375]

Would have liked to see the Benelli in the mix to see if the extra 10cc makes any difference

[@martinmartin5904]

We got plenty of cheap used very low mileage Cbr125 here in Canada for less than 1000 $ , want to know how it will outperform all of these horizontal clone (or not ) cub motor .

[@xXGizmoXisXcoolXx]

I kind of find it disrespectful that everyone that reviews these bikes refer to them as "toys only". I am just trying to get into riding and am looking for a cheap option before spending a lump-sum of money on a hobby in which I may not even like. There are practical purposes for these bikes rather than being a heathen on them.

[@travis_8833]

I like the Grom and z125 the best

[@XxBABYBOOSExX]

Kawasexy! I love Honda as well!

[@blowndome]

If you had the money to buy the grom or the Razkull, which one would you buy? I really like the design of the Razkull and is also $1k cheaper, but I know the fuel injection will probably be better.

[@souldude6344]

So I'm 16 and I'll be getting a job soon, and I'm really considering one of these bikes to drive to school with. So here is the question, what should I buy between to two: The K-Pipe, or the SSR. I'm a bigger guy, standing at 6'0 180 pounds and I really want the most bang for my buck.

[@xorbe2]

Find a used Honda CBR500.

[@souldude6344]

xorbe2 I'll look it up. Hopefully I can find one in my area. Thanks!

[@chiquitodaviii2913]

A Quantum Omnibucket if you're still on the market get the k pipe. Ride it until you learn everything I'm talking about incline uturns, counter steering and wheelies. You can sell it for most of what it's worth. Get your money back then whenever you are ready get a 500cc+ motorcycle

[@Arppa00]

honda z50 and suzuki pv 50 are the original playbikes pepole in finland have been wheelieing them since the 80s

[@kx454]

How did the SSR land on the clutch lever side falling off the kickstand? Physically impossible unless the kickstand was folded up....

[@Lejawn]

+motorcycle.com where can I buy the razkull because the shops in their store locator doesn't seem to have them based on the website inventory. I live in Los Angeles and I would like to buy one to ride around

[@lefterisbampaidis5446]

I'm 6.2 Do you think the small ones, with a good set of tires would give confidence and provide enough fun in a go kart racetrack (do they scrape the pegs easily?)

[@ThaSideWeed]

As long as you set the suspension up for the weight of who is riding it and the environment, should be fun, don't see the problem. That's what inspires confidence first and foremost. Even if you have the best tires for that environment, if the bike wobbles, squats instantly, bounces and dives instantly when a moderate amount of brakes are applied, doesn't matter what tires you have.

[@darenrimando4596]

How does the Razkull perform under braking and handling, between the Grom or Z125? In the vid, I noticed the Razkull seems to have less ground clearance than the Grom, true?

[@MC-Racing]

Cool test and video, but im in a bit noisy enviroment, and i had to stop it, because i had no idea what was being said, due to the music being almost as loud as the talking.

[@airsoftlobo154]

anybody know where this video was shot, what road they were on more specifically?

[@ricardofilipe4903]

Is the Ssr bike also sold in Europe? i really like it

[@dirtygrom5533]

I put a 181cc big bore kit on my grom pro taper bars and T rex crash cage 50 stunt axle pegs out of all my bikes its the most fun

[@aaronbehindbars]

The SSR looks really cool and I think it is time we started taking some of the Chinese manufactured bikes more serious in terms of quality. sSR has been around a few years, so hopefully there is at least a decent level of parts and service support. I still would have reservations about buying and owning one when I know Honda and Kawi are around for the long haul. Even Kymco is establisged enough where I have little concern about them. The K-Pipe, though, just doesn't have the same personality as the little wheel bikes. As a goofy play bike, I see no appeal in it. For me, it comes down to the Honda and Kawi. I already am a Grom owner (2015), so clearly I am a little biased. Despite the Kawi not being available when I bought my Grom and now the 2017 Grom is out, I'd still go with the 2015 Grom. The new stepped seat on the 2017 doesn't work for me. I would actually prefer the Kawi were it not for the ergos being terrible for my 6'1" frame, pegs are just too high. These bikes are addicting if you find them to be captivating. It is not hard, if you have the bankroll, to sink more than double the msrp on the bike and upgrades. I have and can't say I regret it.

[@weezem]

You can't take any Chinese manufacturing serious, it is all cheap garbage put out to undercut everyone else on the market and people are fooled in to buying because of the price point. I'm over the garbage Chinese items that have flooded the United States.

[@aaronbehindbars]

@@weezem What you are saying spunds an awful lot like what people were saying about Japanese manufacturing a few decades ago. There is a lot of crap coming out of China, but more and more high quality items are being made there. It depends on quality control. SSR products are indeed not the greatest, but their sister company Benelli is putting out some nice bikes that are Chinese made. I guarantee you that the Big 4 are not taking Chinese manufacuring lightly. The proof is in how they are moving more and more production into China.

[@weezem]

@@aaronbehindbars Does not matter, the raw materials from China are of lesser quality, it has nothing to do with quality control. You take cheap materials and combine it with cheap labor and the results are a very low quality product.. The big 4 most likely uses Chinese steel to build cheaper bikes to sell to "less fortunate" countries.

[@kembalsado1]

please do a comparison between KTM 125 and Grom

[@aastr3n839]

That SSR looks like like a mini version of the Ducati Monster