12ft/lbs vs. 30ft/lbs at 30M, 40M & 50M - .22 Trajectory Test

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This time we're at the range, comparing the trajectory of a 12ft/lbs vs. 30ft/lbs at 30M, 40M & 50M. The rifles we're using are the BSA R10 MK2 and the Daystate Wolverine R - both rifles are zeroed at 30M.
We've done a follow up video comparing the trajectory of .177 vs .22 rifles at 12ft/lbs over 30M, 20M, 40M & 50M. See it here:
• .177 vs .22 Trajectory...
Intro: 00:00​
Explaining the test: 00:32
12ft/lbs. shooting at 30M: 02:07
30ft/lbs. shooting at 30M: 03:11
12ft/lbs. shooting at 40M: 03:53
30ft/lbs. shooting at 40M: 04:51
Assessing 40M results: 06:06
12ft/lbs. shooting at 50M: 06:39
30ft/lbs. shooting at 50M: 07:46
Assessing the full results: 09:14
Closing comments and advice: 11:12
Presented by Richard Saunders from Alpha Militaria - an air rifle review and information site. Richard, has been shooting air rifles for nearly forty years. Today he hunts and carries out pest control on more than a thousand acres spread across different locations in the south of England. He is a regular contributor to Airgun Shooter magazine, writing mainly hunting features and product reviews, as well The Airgun Show on KZbin.
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[@dougms9790]

Thank you!. Extremely useful information illustrating holdover, presented in a manner almost everyone can understand.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much. I'm planning on a .177 / .22 comparison at 12 ft. lbs. as soon as I get the time. Thanks for watching. Rich.

[@DeanoTheSaxman]

Many thanks for sharing this with us Richard, very, very interesting … Just goes to show the old adage "Less Is More" is totally blown out of the water when it comes to power … Just a shame that a sub 12lb rifle leaks so much trajectory over distance. A FAC rifle is always the way to go when it comes to longer distances Just love this kind of informational content, very interesting and informative. Keep up the great work, I fully appreciate the time this must have taken & it’s a credit to your skills … 😁

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much Deano - very kind of you to say...

[@AmazingChinaToday]

Great video and great advice at the end about handling different target distances.

[@brettnixon8344]

That was awesome thankyou I will do that next time I'm at the range

[@nlmeireles5109]

Hello Mr. Richard Saunders, another excellent video as always, a very useful and enlightening topic, health.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks Luis, and thanks for watching too.

[@norm5431]

For the past months I’ve been contemplating about this. Thank you so much for making this video🍍🍍🍍🍍🤙🏽🤙🏽

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks or watching Norm. I'm glad we could help.

[@thecommonman1776]

Thanks for making this video, Very easy to understand and very informational. And by the way, NICE GROUPING with both rifles.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much.

[@dinooliver4930]

Great video that offers good visual and explains the issue power vs speed.

[@atyzelalmeida1620]

Lovely informative video as always richh. 🙌🙏👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much.

[@ralphy9215]

Looked like an excellent grouping to me! Interesting vid thanks 🙏

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much.

[@jerzyszczepanski9792]

Thank you for making this Video.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

You're very welcome Jerzy. Thanks for watching and for your comment.

[@stevenrowe5047]

i like the music and i really like the information you have shown. really helpful. thank you.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks and you're very welcome...

[@rahmankhan2008]

Thankyou, best practical ever seen.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thank you for watching...

[@mohammedkhan4088]

Good video showing the drop rate on a 12 ftlb rifle i always adjust my zero on the scope at ranges over 40 meters to get more accurate shots

[@darrenstephens1147]

Would be interested in the drop between a .177 and .22 both shooting at sub 12 ft Ib at those ranges Rich.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

I'll add that to the list Darren! Thanks for watching.

[@familyhelpdeskhelpdesk270]

@@alphamilitaria2756 having seen both the 12ftlb and 30ftlb comparison and the .177vs .22 one as well, the results show, as you would expect, that the trajectory for the .177 at 12 was slightly worse than that for the 30 .22. 1/2mv^2 would predict this pretty well.

[@Ezekiel903]

don't get it, in Swiss 7.5oule for kids, and open 50> joule you need a contract when you buy one! Is this the same, 12ft/lbs without contract and for more power you need a contract, contract is not a permission, it means only you have to hold the contract for 10 years.

[@mariobross1420]

Basically 12 ft lbs sucks

[@MudMaxMetalDetecting]

These videos are so educational. Basically up to 30mtrs a .22 does what anything else does, but past that and .177 or added power for ease of accuracy. ATB MMMD

[@alphamilitaria2756]

That's pretty much it!

[@hunting.egypt964]

Amazing work 🇪🇬thanks

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much. Nice of you to say...

[@24865943]

Like that.....thanks for sharing. 👍

[@mr.t8830]

Hi Richard nice video very interesting love to see the difference in .177 12ft lbs and 18ft lbs Fac look forward to the next one 👍👍👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

That could be on the cards! Thanks for watching.

[@SorenDrost]

Great test to show the difference, Richard 🙂 I am shooting the Daystate Red Wolf .177 HP and getting 37 FPE with the JSB Beast 16.20 gr at 1020 FPS 💪🙂 Sighted in at 25 meters, the drop out to 50 meters is only 0.5 MIL and still has got 25 FPE ! 🙂

[@redpillnibbler4423]

What size groups are you shooting?

[@SorenDrost]

@@redpillnibbler4423 Getting a 5 shot group at 100 meters around 30 mm CTC 👍😃

[@redpillnibbler4423]

@@SorenDrost That’s good going I’d say,I’d be very pleased with that👍Winner

[@rambo3244]

I would like to know how high i will hit at 10 meter

[@kevinashford1219]

If you can find a slug that your barrel likes in 22cal you can’t go wrong,, I can adjust my power from 30 up to nearly 60 but generally uses middle setting at around 40,, good for 60 odd shots per fill and set my pigeon decoys out at 50m 👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Sounds like a sweet set up Kevin. Thanks for watching.

[@philliplabuschagne5508]

Thanks for the video, these things always takes a lot of time to do. Only positive criticism, No need to go up to the target after you shot with your camera we can see it pretty clear, just go through them and wrap up at the end. Will definitely save you time and not increase your heart rate for shooting. But great information much appreciated.

[@ob1488]

Would have liked to see hold under as well. But excellent video thanks.

[@brianlopez8855]

Interesting to see the extent of the drop for a distance. And therefore the higher aim required for each distance. The groupings though low were still close.

[@grahamhanmer5714]

Great video.. real eye opener about distance v power. Is there anything in the vid about grain size..

[@woodpigeon2862]

Good vid Interesting to see what a 18ft llb would be like in .177using the same set up. Good groups from the wolverine btw.

[@TheBaldMiddleAgedMetalHead]

18ft lbs in 177 would be very flat shooting i'd imagine, but you might get some swirling unless you use a heavy pellet, 177 in 12 ft lbs is nearly as flat as this FAC rifle.

[@woodpigeon2862]

James Healey Is why I use .177 for hunting,not many go for .177 in fac,so that’s why I asked the question 👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

@@TheBaldMiddleAgedMetalHead Funnily enough I have just received a 20 ft. lbs. .177 for review so perhaps I'll run this test again with a legal limit and FAC .22 and legal limit and FAC .177. And I agree with you on the comparison of 12 ft. lbs. .177 and 30 ft. lbs. .22. I too find the trajectory very similar, though the .22 hits a lot harder of course.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

@@woodpigeon2862 .177 is my preferred 12 ft. lbs. hunting calibre as it is much flatter. With my legal limit I rarely take shots beyond 30 metres, but with my .177 I'm happy to push that to 40 metres. I know people will say they knock rabbits over at much longer distances, but I know my limits!

[@alphamilitaria2756]

@@woodpigeon2862 The challenge with .177 in FAC is that pellets reach a point in terms of velocity where they become unstable due to the ballistic coefficient of their design (which is why so many people are trying slugs in their FAC rifles). So, to keep the pellet stable in flight and therefore accurate, you have to bring the speed down, which means increasing the weight of the pellet and before long you start shooting .177 pellets at weights close to those of .22. Finding the right balance is key. A friend of mine hunts with a .177 19 ft. lbs. Brocock Sniper XR. He uses pellets that weigh about 12 grains, I think, which seems to give him the right balance between velocity, accuracy and trajectory. Thanks for watching!

[@gallantone1535]

I am a sub 12f I have changed to .177 and get very good results from 18Mto40M,i us AA 8.4g 4.52 all within a five pence piece excellent for hunting with good practice out to 50M 2 mil dots

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for watching.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Good decision- accuracy should always be top priority.You’re right to cap the range at 50 metres as wind becomes a lottery as is judging range unless using a range finder.Hunting is about using field craft to get closer,not taking post shots at long range 👍

[@elmexicanodeguanajuato3505]

177 still doing good vs 30fpe 22 saludos from Mexico good job my friend

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much. All the best from the UK too!

[@gobstoppa1633]

I rarely shoot at standard range, its just to easy" i think its much more fun and satisfying shooting outside the guns remit, because it means you are making the shots rather than just the gun doing it. great vid, cheers,

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Great for target shooting, not so good for hunting though! Thanks for watching.

[@ravenshield7823]

Thank you, I'm new to .22 pcp and springers, always had .177. not even close to the same animal.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for watching.

[@simonbeer5259]

Very informative be great to see what the Fac gun would do off a 40 Mtr zero not recommended for the sub 12 though as closer stuff would be a nightmare to judge good stuff though and perhaps a follow up vid with 177 👍

[@miroslavb8387]

well not really. Try to run Hawke Chairgun pro and set the particular parameters and you'll see the interval/s for your zero distance. With .22 with about 6cm scope height and zero about 18,5m you'll probably get the best results (about 30ft lb/40J). Closer distances should not be a nightmare because you are getting like +2/-2cm killzone in range like 18-45metres. Anything between 10-18metres (common during hunting) is about few centimeters holdover as well - should not be a problem :)

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Very interesting,it shows the benefit of greater FPS at longer ranges,I’m amazed how much difference! I’m guessing also that also the wind would have much less effect at longer range? My philosophy has always been that for hunting,sub 12 is short range only unless you really know what you’re doing and you KNOW the range and there’s very little or no wind.Once you get past about 40 yards the chances of a clean kill reduces exponentially unless you really are a good marksman/know the range/no wind and have a very accurate rifle set up.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Absolutely right on the wind front. Personally I limit myself to 30m in .22 and 40m in .177 in good conditions when hunting sub 12 ft lbs.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

@@alphamilitaria2756 Spot on👍 respect

[@tyronekim3506]

Thanks for the interesting shot experiment. I would very much be interested in seeing both rifles zeroed at 40 meters and shot at 30 and 50 meters. Perhaps the 30 foot pound rifle will not change much on the point of impact.

[@Seamaster1963]

Thanks for that Richard, very interesting. Sorry if I missed it but can I ask what magnification your scopes were set at during the test?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi - thanks again for watching. If memory serves, I think I was on 16x for 40 and 50m.

[@robertbradfield4810]

brilliant, would love to see same but also using higher power guns, say 40ftb, 50, 60, 70, 80

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for watching Robert...

[@rayhart7753]

Just wondered have you ever used slugs down the fac rifle. Wondered what different groups would be like and changes in power. ? Just a thought. Good video as usual mate.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks Ray. I use slugs on a couple of FAC FX Impacts - .22 and .25, and an FAC .22 Delta Wolf. But I've always found pellets work just fine out to 70 metres which is as far as I want to shoot quarry with an air rifle. Thanks for watching.

[@davidallen7540]

Very interesting

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks Dave. Food for thought eh?

[@davidallen7540]

@@alphamilitaria2756 oh yes. I really enjoyed it. Look forward to watching more of content

[@alphamilitaria2756]

@@davidallen7540 Thanks David, Much appreciated...

[@josephnorcalusa1710]

good test sir, do a test at 100 yards !

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[@michaelholt9378]

Liked that Richard, would have been interesting to know the ft lb at the 40 and 50 to see how much was being lost. Well done something a bit different

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks Michael. Yes, that would have been interesting., Unfortunately though I don't have the kind of chrono you can shoot through at distance. One day perhaps I'll get my hand on one and do this again. Thanks for watching.

[@yamahabigwedgy]

If you use stellock you can get a very accurate idea of the retained energy at any range as long as you know the muzzle velocity

[@Vtalij12345]

In caliber 22, the energy should be 27 pounds, then it should be equal in accuracy to 177 caliber. 😉🤝👍

[@jimadams2987]

Very nice grouping, thank you!Do you know how many meters your guns shoot straight?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks Jim. Pellets will go for hundreds of metres. I hunt out to 50/55 metres with the FAC rifle and 30 metres with the 12 ft lbs rifle.

[@AnubhavAnkitGeorge]

Great video sir what was ur pellets weight and what was FPS of ur both gun sir? Can u make same video with .177cal would be much appreciated.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much. The pellets were 16 grain Air Arms Diabolo Field and the rifles were 11.8 ft/lbs and 30 ft/lbs. I have a friend who has just bought an FAC rated .177 so may well do a comparison with a UK legal limit rifle. Thanks for watching.

[@AnubhavAnkitGeorge]

@@alphamilitaria2756 sir plz make here in India have same rule and only .177 is allowed so kindly make same video for ..177cal

[@kannabuddharaju]

nice video, btw are they reguleted guns?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi. Thanks for watching. Yes, both rifles are regulated.

[@philchapman9484]

Hi great vid I subscribed .how many shots do you get from the fac wolverine .all the best

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks Phil. I rarely use the rifle on the range, mostly for hunting, so tend to top up every few trips rather than run it down. Its easily more than 100 though. Great rifle and one of my most accurate. Rich.

[@philchapman9484]

@@alphamilitaria2756 thanks for taking time to reply .i also own the same rifle at 12 ft pound . I have a fac an looked at many guns but you have helped me to decide to get the wolverine boosted to 30 ft pound thanks for that saved me a lot of money all the best happy new year 👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

@@philchapman9484 Hi Phil. That's great to hear and thanks or letting me know. If my experience of my Wolverine R s anything to go by, you won't be disappointed. I believe Daystate offer an FAC upgrade service for around £220 I believe.

[@philchapman9484]

Thanks for the info much appreciated all the best👍

[@lenweber7142]

Great video!! Just one more on a 40 zero,. Shooting 30 40 50 Finding the best responsible effective pesting zero,,. For the least hold over and under,,. Thanks 👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for watching Len.

[@keithduffield5239]

Hi, nice. Would it have been fairer and representative to use a lighter pellet in the 12ft/lbs rifle

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks Keith. I'm not sure I know what you mean though. The point of the video was to compare the trajectory of the same weight pellet in 12ft/lbs and 30 ft/lbs. Using a lighter pellet in the 12 ft/lb rifle would have invalidated the comparison.

[@mudbutton2]

Well that was an eye opener!

[@chopperhehehe]

Nice and simple great show 👍 👍 👍 😜 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🦄 🎣 😁 🤞 ✌️

[@mickeyvanaudenhaege3692]

Having noted for 30 40 and 50, how much hold under for 5 10 15 20 25? Be interesting to see. Wanting to set up notes for hunting small game and also compare the trajectories between 30fpe 177 and 30fpe 22 I like your channel. Cheers from South Africa. Yes my 177 shoots 30 fpe.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much Mickey. Some great ideas there. I'll add to the list! Happy New Year.

[@richardgill9484]

Very interesting and quite different to what I was expecting, not having shot an FAC air rifle. Mind you, I didn’t see much evidence of running😁😁

[@alphamilitaria2756]

I'm built for comfort, not speed.

[@richardgill9484]

@@alphamilitaria2756😂😂😂😂😂

[@crafter170]

An old door is the best for long distance drop measurements .

[@kevinashford1219]

Nice vid Richard,, I think the way forward in With sud 12 rifles is .177 👍,, my r-10 has taken woodpigeon out past 70m,, I’ve also got a daystate in .22 capable of over 55ftlb with slugs,, it is a different ball game then,, thx again for vid 👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much Kevin.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

.177 sub 12 zeroed at the right range gives a nice flat trajectory between about 12 -- 35 yards or so,but once you go further you must KNOW the range,and the wind becomes a lottery.For clean kills I always advise keeping within 40 metres or so.

[@NYLSONQUASEACERTA]

muito bom parabéns

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks very much.

[@johnconnor6725]

I'd like for you to do it again using the 30, but Also using round balls vs pellets. I've seen pellets not reach the target At 50 yards while the. Balls hit spot on.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi John. I think you may have been using the wrong pellets!

[@johnconnor6725]

No, pellets have way more drag than round balls ! ! ! Try it your self

[@barriemercer5102]

Hi Rick just watched the 2 vids about trajectory the 30 ft ld in 22 is more or less the same as 177 in 12 ftlp something to think about

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Barrie - yes trajectory is very much the same, but impact is very different!

[@johnndavis7647]

Using common 14.3 grain 22 pellets what velocity can you get with a 12 to rifle?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi John. It depends on the exact power output of your rifle. But at 11.97 ft/lbs, a 14.3gn .22 pellet will fly at 614 feet per second.

[@andyj6234]

If the pellet drop between the 12ft/lb and the 30ft/lb test is shown correctly in the video, it suggests the pellet travels from the gun to the target in a quarter to a third of the time in the 30ft/lb test when compared to the 12ft/lb test. Kinetic energy quadruples as velocity is doubled, the projectile velocity at 30ft/lb should only be ~60% greater than at 12ft/lb. I can’t see how the increase in muzzle energy is having such a profound effect on projectile drop?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Andy. Thanks for watching. I'm not sure I 100% get you - the pellet drop between the two rifles is indeed shown correctly. No fiddling about or any attempt to trick anyone I can assure you. At 30 ft. lbs. a 16 grain pellet travels at around 900 fps. At 12 ft lbs it will travel at a around 580 fps. I don't know if that helps you or not.

[@andyj6234]

@@alphamilitaria2756 Thanks for the response. I’m sure it’s just something I’m missing with the physics, been trying to get my head around why there’s such a difference in pellet drop when the pellet velocity isn’t that much greater. No FAC here so I’m limited to 12ft/lb anyway! Thanks again

[@alphamilitaria2756]

@@andyj6234 I'm guessing you have to through aerodynamics, friction in the barrel and through the air and all sorts of other variables into the mix. Its beyond me to understand!

[@shaneweightman]

Pity you didn’t use 177 guns in the test , as .22 has a lot of drop compared to 177 in my experience, the drop will be more exaggerated with the 22 , especially the 12 ft lb , cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Shane. Did you see our 177 v 22 trajectory test as well?

[@wattysautos5442]

Wonder how a lighter pellet in the 12ftp would hold up. 16grains is heavy for a 12ftp I'm running 14grains atm RWS super domes 🤔

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Watty. I think 16 grains is about standard. Lighter pellets would be faster and flatter but aerodynamic/ballistics of a bigger pellet is also a factor. Thanks for watching.

[@tonyblack3401]

So, what this looks like is that the absolute limit for a .22 12ft lb is 50 metres with a zero at 50. And that in comparison a .177 12ft lb sees similar drop to a 30ft lb FAC .22. Meaning .177 has a further effective range than a .22. The issue of .22 vs .177 for hunting. As we can see at 50 metres the .22 grouping and accuracy I wouldn't deem reliable enough for dispatch at distances over 35-40 metres absolute tops. Whereas a 12ft lb .177 can hold effective accuracy for a longer range and could reliably dispatch up to 50 metres.

[@grahamhanmer5714]

Does grain size have any bearing on distance and power?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Graham. Grains are a unit of weight so yes, the higher the grain, the heavier the pellet and the more loopy the trajectory will be. Thanks for watching!

[@paulclarkejr.7046]

I may have missed it. Were you using the same pellet in both Guns?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Paul. I'm not sure if I did mentioned it come to think of it. But yes, same pellet - 5.52mm 16 grain Air Arms Diabolo Field. Thanks for watching.

[@owdred6314]

Good video but new shooters should remember when zeroing at say 30m the point of impact is the same on all magnifications. But when your making notes of hold over or hold under say at 40m if you change the magnification your point of impact will also change. I refer to Sub 12ft lb.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

That's a good point as most people, especially new shooters, will use second focal plane scopes. Using a first focal plane will eradicate the problem though. Thanks for watching.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

Yes as regards to using mildots if it’s a second focal plane scope. Changing magnification shouldn’t alter your point of impact though,not with any decent scope.

[@The_Owl94]

I have found a 35/36flbs has the same flight path as a .177

[@alphamilitaria2756]

That is very true Karl. You just can't get away from the fact that more power needs heavier pellets for accuracy and that re-introduces pellet drop. The key is to find a balance and you're right - 35 fl/lbs in .22 is about right. I shoot lots of FAC rifles in all calibres and have found that regardless of the size/weight of the pellet, around 920-960 fps works best. Thanks for watching.

[@1970sman]

Good video but why do you use such heavy .22 pellets?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks. I think 15.89 is a fairly standard weight...

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

If i was restricted to 12 ftp, i would have bought a .177 caliber airrifle, but i'm not, the trajectory of a 40 joule (about 30 ftp) .22 isn:t that much worse than a .177 with the same amount of shots per air cylinder, but only 30 joule. The heavier pellet sustains more energy and is less wind sensitive. But at only 16,1 joule, .22 isn't really good for long ranges, imho

[@alphamilitaria2756]

I agree, as the video shows. When shooting with 12 ft. lbs. rifles I limit my hunting range to 30 metres with a .22 and 40 metres with a .177. To be honest, most of my hunting is carried out 20 - 30 metres anyway.

[@adrianmorning.1555]

Just been to Texas and visited Walmart and some outdoor sports shops. On display are numerous air rifles that anyone can buy ie GAMO and RUGER at .22 they say 1050fps and .177 1500fps From basic calculations these are 30ftlbs - just shows what they are allowed without any worries!

[@rambo3244]

I would like to see a 10 meter also

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi. I doubt there'd be any difference...

[@roberthowe2910]

👍

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for watching Robert.

[@airgunboy1234]

Could you please please do the same test but 177 12ft lb and 177 fac ?

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Great idea Alex. We may well get to that. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@airgunboy1234]

Hope so would be good to see that

[@The-Ratbasher]

What's the mod on the Wolverine please Richard ?.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi. I think its a Donny FL. The Tatsu I think...

[@The-Ratbasher]

@@alphamilitaria2756 Cheers Richard. It looks a bit of a beast. lol I may do an upgrade ?.

[@lesthompson5907]

interesting study. me being an armorer.& ues to ranging rifles now retired i divisor a trick of tilting my scoop 7 marking a ranging mark at the desires point of aim ranging in this way once I have zeroed at a most often chosen range say 30 yards with 12sub foot pounds air rifle a cylinder fin thread nut to rise the back of the sight. 1. Hundred thou a time would give me the hold over I need 250 thousand gave me a zero at 100 yards & over. the point is depending on windage & the rifle a rear veneer scale can remove the need for holding over the rifle making the point of aim a possibility on the range. Hold over & hold under. the need to practise that diesoline. not to be negated. in the filed. gestor-mating rang to day is not necessary with rang finders on hand . a pre set distains. say in the field can give you , a bulls eye shot in the field to by using your veneer sacral remember it must be a rigid set up & repeater-Bal

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Great tip. Thanks for sharing Les.

[@rickhofsess84]

Very interesting Les. I have a few extra periods that, if you sprinkled about in your notes, might make it a bit easier on the reader. Here ya go mate ........................................ Should you find yourself needing a few more, don't hesitate to ask.

[@johnwilson6707]

so you cant hold over at 50 metres on a 20 metre zero as your scope has not got enough mil dots if you have 4 mil showing on your scope

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi John. Yes, its possible you may run out of mildots on your scope. You could always zero at 30 metres and work out what your aim point would be fore shots at 20. That would give you a few more mildots to play with. Good luck.

[@fatphunker]

I would like to see 22 FAC vs 25 FAC

[@alphamilitaria2756]

That would be interesting, though I suspect the trajectories won't be that different...

[@fatphunker]

@@alphamilitaria2756 I think that may depend on velocity and weight of projectile .22 21gr Bisley Magnum vs .25 and 25gr JSB I think should be very similar but 18gr JSB 22 vs 33.95 JSB. 25 WHO KNOW ? 🤔

[@paulkazjack]

More power = less drop.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for clarifying that.

[@longyx321]

Try 177 next????

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for watching Phil. Did you see our 177 v 22 video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqGthHuEnbpola8

[@daleweller5193]

I’m disappointed in the accuracy of both rifles at their price point.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

I think you mis-read 'trajectory test' for 'accuracy test'. There are countless videos showing the accuracy of these rifles. Perhaps search for one of those?

[@raycarl7933]

I’m just glad that none of our lunatic politicians here in the US haven’t tried to ‘restrict’ the power levels of our airguns.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Thanks for watching Ray. Strictly speaking, air rifles aren't restricted in the UK either. They just need to be licensed if over 12 ft lbs.

[@stephen5019]

Hi Richard. Could I ask a question how can I get a fac license for a high power air rifle any help would be appreciated

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Stephen. I'm assuming you're based in the UK in which case you'd need to make an application to your local police authority - a search online will take you to the right site. From there its simply a question of filling out a form. There are certain criteria you will need to satisfy. You'll need to demonstrate a need for an FAC rifle - usually appropriate land upon which you can shoot and a reason for shooting on it (e.g. pest control. You'll also need your GP to attest that there is no medical reason for you to not have a firearm - again there is guidance online on how to do that, and I'm sure your GP will have been asked before. And the police will also conduct a criminal record check. You'll also need to show that you have secure storage - basically a gun safe/cabinet properly installed to an exterior wall. Typically a Firearms inspection officer will visit you to check out security and chat through your application. Assuming all that is fine, there's no reason why you'd be turned down. Waiting times vary from region to region, but it can take a few months for your application to be processed. It sounds like a lot of faff but it is a lot simpler than it sounds. Good luck!

[@stephen5019]

@@alphamilitaria2756 hi Richard. Thank you very much for your reply. Will check it out on line and will pay my local police station a visit. Thank you

[@unballisticr.i.pdadloveand7055]

Interesting video but the cardboard is blowing up and down 👉🏻👀🤪

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi Robo. Thanks for watching. Yes, I didn't realise it was moving until I watched the film back. It probably means the groups could, if anything, have been a little better.

[@unballisticr.i.pdadloveand7055]

@@alphamilitaria2756 totally agree definitely going to be a big difference 👍

[@elmafudd8511]

zero the sub 12 .22 at 35mtrs its alot better, 50 meters is about 2.5 mildots

[@alphamilitaria2756]

What are your aim points for 15, 20, 25 and 30m?

[@zato6226]

Probably don't need the background music while your speaking. Hard to understand.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

No one else seems to have had a problem.

[@happyhalfwit8862]

I take it your using 18gr otherwise i think you need a power check on the BSA. If you want to dial use Strelok pro and make a turret tape for every 5m then bang on even time .......if you know the range.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi and thanks or watching. The pellets were 16 grain Air Arms Diabolo Field pellets. What makes you think I need to check the output of my R-10? I prefer to use hold over and under, having spent more hours than I can count with the rifle. I find dialling in distances on a scope takes too long when I am in the field.

[@happyhalfwit8862]

@@alphamilitaria2756 my reckoning for 16gr is about 2.5 and 6.5 with a 30m zero with the gun giving 11.5 ftlb ish I suspect it’s running sub 10 or about 490fps or a bit less. What’s the crony saying? Sorry am a bit of a geek

[@alphamilitaria2756]

@@happyhalfwit8862 Are you taking magnification of the SF scope into account as that will affect the indicated holdover - the higher the mag, the more mildots? The gun is running 11.5 ft. lbs.

[@happyhalfwit8862]

@@alphamilitaria2756 effects holdover but not the actual inches drop if your aiming centre cross hair and not adjusting. My brain cant cope with SFP any more too many years on FFP. The scope over bore hight could also account for it if its @11.5. Great groups anyway both those 2 shoot very nicely, the fac speeds really make a difference and it shows perfectly there.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi. Just popped into the garden to double check the rifle over the chrono and its running at 11.6-11.8 ft. lbs. I hope that clears things up for everyone. Happy new year to you all!

[@andreschiriff4354]

The aiming dots are not at the same level.

[@redpillnibbler4423]

It doesn’t matter,it’s about the amount of pellet drop between each range and comparing the the results between sub 12 and 30 ft.lbs. Hope this helps.

[@patrickpirelli7897]

That 30ft pound shoots like a 177 in 12 ft pounds ide forget about a 22 in 12ft pound

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Yes, very similar trajectories although the .22 is flying a couple of hundred fps faster and weighs twice as much. Personally, I prefer a .177 for hunting rabbits as I know I can deal with them humanely out to 40 metres. But I prefer a .22 for rats and squirrels as most of my shots come in the 10 - 20 metre range and I find the aimpoint to be the same with a 20 metre zero. Thanks for watching.

[@dobs862]

Under 12ft/lb you should go for .177 over .22 there is no contest .

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Personally speaking, I like a .22 zeroed at 20 metres for rats and squirrel control as I find the point of aim/impact the same at 10-20 metres - the distances I find myself shooting rats and squirrels over most often. I find a .177 zeroed at 20 metres has a different point of impact at 10 metres (though for the life of me I can't recall if its higher or lower!). For rabbits, I prefer a .177 as most shots are in the 20-40 metre range. With a 30 metre zero I find the aim/impact the same at 20 metres, and at 40 metres I need a mildot of hold over. Just my own personal experience with the rifles I own of course. Try it out on the range for yourself...

[@a.c.1474]

What surprises me is that you go to the bother of making this video and you haven't even used a tape measure in your final analysis just spreading your fingers apart and saying that's about so distance.

[@alphamilitaria2756]

Hi AC. Sorry about that. My aim was to give an illustrative indication of the difference between calibres. My recommendation is that you do your own tests with your own rifle and pellets and work out for yourself how many millimetres of drop there is at different distances so you know how much adjustment to factor in at different distances. Thanks for watching.

[@richardbrooks1488]

Try taping the bottom of the target next time……made it look harder than it needed to be

[@alphamilitaria2756]

thanks very much for the tip