12v Cummins P-Pump Governor Springs & Fuel Plate Mod = POWER!

We cold start this high mile 5.9 Cummins 12v before it donates its P7100 P-Pump for the Cummins Sliverado! We show you how to upgrade the governor springs to get more power.
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[@desmondmurray5004]

Watching this with captions, when the cummins started, it said [music] I agree

[@bennett12349]

Desmond Murray I was thinking the same thing!

[@robertgemski7728]

Certainly music to my ears!!

[@coasmechteranic]

Well, it’s not “wrong.”

[@Ybsjek]

😂

[@hawkie333]

Love watching Rich play Maestro! You can tell that it’s one of his favorite things....

[@Project10sec]

Really enjoyed the vid. Great job Rich. 28min vid took me 2hrs to watch. Kids yelling, wife husstling me. Had to hide in the bathroom for a while, got busted eventually. had to find a new hiding spot but finished the vid. thanks

[@letsgobrandon8375]

The life of a DAD!!!! The bathroom doesn't work for me anymore.

[@paullogieri248]

It's like being pecked to death by a duck.

[@edwardbaker5373]

Lol.

[@doomflatus7780]

The I’m Project10sec

[@cowboy41231]

Bob Marley “love” for the pump! Lol

[@joshuaodowd9107]

Hearing a Cummins fire is pure music to my ears love it

[@NaoPb]

Good to hear you're not throwing it away. Running and starting like that after 1 million kilometers is pretty impressive, at least to me. If you were planning on throwing it out, I'd like to have it in my living room and start it every once in a while for that nice diesel exhaust smell, and to hear the lovely sound of these engines running.

[@eli72481]

Didn't watch to the end of the video did ya?

[@NaoPb]

Eli: I was going to, but got distracted and then forgot about it. Sorry.

[@eli72481]

Don't gotta apologize man, wasn't trying to be a dick or anything. Didn't mean for it to come off like that, was just jokin round.

[@BertBuild]

I agree every person in the world should have a diesel on a stand ion the living room to start and smell once in a while, hahahaha

[@pantherplatform]

I love that smell

[@jacklong2399]

Of course it runs its a 12v

[@RiggyRonnie]

I watched this a year ago and 19 now and own my first 12 valve. Love it just ordered airdog fuel separator, 3 gague pillar, and kdp fix as a start. Next will be 150hp injectors and 4 inch turbo back exhaust

[@LightWaIker]

How'd it turn out?

[@articfever3616]

update

[@zachsteele6964]

We need an update bro

[@wellshodgarage2752]

Yes we need to know

[@TheMrkaninja]

Update, we want to know how you are doing with your 12 valve? @David Does

[@hotrodpetesgarage699]

I'm not a diesel guy, so this was interesting to me. Sometimes, the camera moved too much and I couldn't follow things, and, yes, the image was too dark as well at times to see what you were talking about. But, I got a little bit of an idea how these Cummins engines are put together and operate, and being a gear head, that was interesting to me. Thanks..

[@728GT]

Same

[@theglitch99]

Just got my 1st 24v cummins on an 04 Ram, wish i wasn't late to the game on these engines! Truly enjoy them!

[@wtfman5313]

Rich, I wish I had just a thimble full of your diesel knowledge. Really good P-pump mod info. Thanks man.

[@TheRustiestShackleford]

Wrench Spinner everything he knows is easily learnt on the internet. It doesn't take rocket appliances.

[@lazowelding]

I just bought a Cummins p pump out of school bus that someone junked and it runs just like yours..best $220 dollars i ever spent

[@alanack67]

lazowelding the bus P-Pumps are worthless

[@lazowelding]

I never knew that why are they?I think I'm going to sell the engine now that I found this out

[@alanack67]

lazowelding you just can't get the power out of them like you can with the pumps in the Dodge trucks.

[@jasontruman1215]

lazowelding they are far from worthless!!!!!!! They just can’t be made to make huge power like the truck motors the pump doesn’t push the same amount of fuel. You can run it as is just fine and even turn it up a bit.... if you want 500+ hp just slap a p7100 off a dodge pickup on it and go to town.

[@lazowelding]

The engine is 175hp rated on side of tag but I never knew that p pumps where that different in flow..I'll keep that in mind

[@fcbrants]

Thank you SO much for sharing this video!! I have a '97 6CTA 8.3 with a P-Pump in a 265,000 mile 40' Monaco RV that can't get out of its own way. I was considering an engine swap for something newer, but I'm now inspired to spend the $$ on this engine & bring it back to life.

[@molivroman9806]

Rich, just started last week watching all your vids. can't get enough of them. You got a great profession and good at it.

[@lucifermorningstar6126]

16:50 ya you spun that pump off camera because it's a MFer. (1996 12v 6spd owner. I make the "power" lol 606 1402) been there done that. My rack got stuck 6 years ago and had to go through this. Luckily I WAS (currently a pilot) a diesel mechanic and knew people at industrial injection I got a dragonfly for 800 bucks. I would've never played with my pump for that reason but these videos you have are spot on. Love your content. I was never in the shops "pump room" I was in the "injector room" and "the shop". Personally I drive a 12v because obvious reasons power alone. But I love the simplicity of the 24v when it comes to timing. I wish the 12v had the key on the pump shaft STOCK. It would've made my life easier back under the hood while I was earning a living. But as you said it was a widely used engine but they made our automotive version so different they could've done that too. If we go on that thought process we should've had the marine pistons too. Just saying. Like I said. Love the content. I'm subscribed! Howdy from the heart of Texas!

[@darius9521]

You're the dirtiest, greasiest car youtuber there is! Love all the content, from quattro to cummins. Keep it up!

[@jamesloganimoce3196]

Trues up brother

[@alskdjfhg3712]

When that started up on the pallet, it sounded awsome.

[@wellshodgarage2752]

I had an extra shim in my 98 auto pump the other day. And i pulled all the springs. When i put em back i didnt think it would clear when turning over. Anyways im glad i grabbed a smaller magnet and got that last piece out. Probably saved me alot of trouble

[@Grantelb4rt]

I am from Germany and my Dad owned a 4BT Case 5120 and after that a 6BT MX120.. Turned up the Pump on the 6BT and it made about 130HP on the PTO dyno. Sounds great, huge Torque, good power, super reliable and crazy simple. Sold both Tractors at about 9000 working hours with nothing else then Service done to the engines

[@StreetTruckGarage]

Got my first 12v recently too, thanks for all the great information.

[@calibdovah1962]

Same. Let the power begin😁

[@chrismartin6544]

Love that turbo whine sounds just like the 2 1/2 trucks we had as ammo carriers in the US Army Artillery

[@wvboy0311]

Some of the duece and 1/2 ive been around had cummins in them i think sounded like it anyway

[@Loganlanfear21]

Its got 615,000 miles on it for anyone wondering...

[@rustybrowneye]

Logan Lanfear i was wondering

[@1johnnygunn]

Yeah x's 0.6 km-miles

[@RiggyRonnie]

@@1johnnygunn 0.615*

[@HJZ75driver]

Only for the ones that dont believe in the metric system

[@bovellois]

So about half life

[@funkinflugen]

I read through the comments and found you used 3200 RPM springs...but I missed what FUEL PLATE you went with? FOUND IT!!! 21:06 "#8 fuel plate".......you made such a short reference to it, it was hard to find. Good video for overall procedure though, thanks!

[@akman1931]

What a time to be alive.

[@beeroquoisnation]

I was forced to leave my 98 12v out in the ND patch when I stroked out there, along with 20 years of tools. My fuel plate was the stock profile, but trimmed back a 1/4 inch. She wasn't an aggressive smoker, and spooled up well with the scaler ring taken out of the whistle, and the star wheel turned up. Still got the same mileage 17 loaded or empty. It had 411 ratio. Great Video gear head, keep 'em cummins. :P

[@WS-gw5ms]

Vpp44 for life (or 80k whichever comes first)

[@695noah]

vp44 is dog shit

[@jonfar5995]

about The timing gear install. it's not the oil, it is the debris on the taper. clean gear and shaft with lint-free cloth, install pump, pull gear forward, loose on shaft, reclean feel free to use 15w40 to flush it out if you would like. but a spray of WD-40 is ez. the lint from the Q-tip or cotton towel is why the gear came loose. flush with 15w40, PB,wd-40,brake parts just clean it before you put the nut on. good luck

[@pacemetalfab]

At 19:28, the most important part of your video. I bought a take out engine that came out of a FL70 Freightliner. The PPump was completely different than what Dodge used. It was a very $$$ lesson. I love your videos. You are a great teacher/instructor's. I have a rebuilt P7100 pump too. 😀

[@rustyshackleford8999]

"Took the fan off so I don't do anything stupid." Lol good man

[@hamop3]

Awesome Video. Always keep one chuckling. Great Job DEBOSS.

[@burningdinosaurs]

Fuel plate, timing, increases supply pressure - nothing did squat until I swapped gov springs. I've got a video of it on the dyno to prove it. Never did get a final HP since it broke my dyno after changing the gov springs. Thanks for the video and good explanation of how to do it!

[@austin6174]

burningdinosaurs how did it effect mileage if you don’t mind me asking :)?

[@burningdinosaurs]

That I don't know. It's a swap into an old squarebody chevy, so I don't have a baseline nor have I driven enough yet to know what it's getting now. But if you're worried about mileage, tuning the AFC will be key.

[@thankfullife7968]

When I installed the 3K Springs I didn’t notice that much difference and granted I didn’t turn/ tighten springs down very much either plus I’m not running a fuel plate.

[@Fosh51]

4:00 "IT'S ALIVE!!!!!" Long live the 12 valve Cummins turbo diesels!!!!!

[@AdamQuiklikit]

Don’t sand the tapered shaft! They need to be polished. Sanding reduces the contact area whereas polished maximizes contact area. I have had success both dry and with the green loctite like they recommend with the larger engine cam gears

[@Unarmed922]

Excellent, subscribed because of this video, love the commentary. step-dad picked up a p-pump recently and we will be doing the recommended mods, our mechanic down the road also swears by them.

[@adventurousairman]

Good video thanks, but I disagree on the blow by, it wasn't bad at all, when the cap dances its still good, it had several thousand miles left on it, otherwise it wouldn't have started that well. Just saying...12 valves got to love em

[@alanack67]

It's a good idea to change the lock washer on the pump shaft. I just clean it with long q tips and diaelectric contact cleaner, seems to work better than brake clean

[@johnorange963]

Love the subtitles that say music when it's running

[@jimkillen1065]

I been down this road . Bought the truck a 95 with 40 k miles on it . Ran ok mileage poor 16 or so mpg ..i tried every thing and finally i bought the timing tools from Snap on . I think the timing which is in mm of lift at tdc wound up at 17 deg . Mileage is now 21 or 22 straighr highway at 65 miles hour . Now i have the 3 k governor kit and a 10 fuel plate . I bought a set of 215 injectors from Piers in Canada. It came with 2 sets of washers . Like a dumb ass i used the thicker washes and motor soundes odd . Probably because the spray was not correct in the bowl . I swapped out to the thinner washers and runs good sounds good crisp . Piers told me once if the motor cold want rev up it needs more timing. He is a very smsrt guy too . Now my truck has 200 or so k miles on it very clean Texas truck no dents ect . It has plenty of power i say 300 ish with maybe 600 tq . Just right .

[@TeeBagMaster19]

Awesome video, I wish I lived closer to you! Hard to find GOOD/HONEST mechanics these days.

[@bahopik]

"oil doesn't look that black" of course! It was leaking out before it could pick up any carbon)) was it really too much blow by for a Cummins?

[@tractorman2131]

I got a 12 valve it was a beautiful engine it had 300 k it didn't burn or use oil I used rottella 15_40 then I cheaped out and bought Canadian tire oil and runnened my engine it burns oil now and smokes but works perfect I put the rotella back in but to little to late don't cheap out when u do your oil change also got a 2002 6spd high output for sale

[@boostaddict_]

I think I'm gonna acquire a whole 2nd gen with a P pump 12v for $2k next year. It's got 400k km on it. Can't wait to toss that into a D150 lol. Compound turbos, mild injectors, just aim for a really smooth & reliable 500hp.

[@morgansword]

Got a friend who has a CNC machine, with the cummins engine bolt pattern and he makes the plates for all types of transmissions or flex couplers. He is busy enough that he taught his wife how to run the CNC machine to make adapters for just about everything imaginable

[@longnightdiesel12valves7]

Spraying break clean in timing case hole works great to clean shaft and gear hole do it all the time .

[@datsunz152]

Long night diesel 12valves thats also gonna strip off all the oil keeping it rust free

[@longnightdiesel12valves7]

datsunz1 that’s the point to remove all the oil so gear won’t slip on the shaft before it’s completely torqued down or after , being its a tapper fit once truck runs it will have oil on it again no worries there .

[@datsunz152]

Long night diesel 12valves ah okay that makes sense, i stand corrected m8y

[@lbj808]

I am just in AWE!!..motor starts and runs right there on the ground!!..😳😳...never seen that before!!..🤙🏽

[@joemullinax9489]

Just done this myself.

[@The4x4manonbroke]

Loctite high strength sleeve retaining compound works like a champ, I use it on the ISX 15L single cam engines, they too have a tapers press fit cam gear

[@michaelbenoit248]

Got a 7.3 idi & that Cummins sounds freakin awesome! Although the idi’s are cheaper to fix by like 1/2.

[@bovellois]

I put a number 8 plate in my 97 too. Good compromise. Significant power increase without killing the transmission. Torque was replaced but transmission is still original at 440k km.

[@SFFRACING]

hell yeah thanks man i just picked up a bus with a p pump 12v im gonna pump it up a little with these tricks!

[@fastinradfordable]

That passes the blow by test in my book. You loosen the oil cap, start engine. If the cap flutters that’s fine. If the cap gets knocked off the engine then it has blow by problems. A good catch can and routing the blow by to the intake will help a lot. And a FYI for all you metric guys.... 1 million kilometers is only 2/3 of a million miles.

[@bradleymorgan8223]

This is a thing of beauty, 650k miles like it ain't nothing

[@stevehardeman7209]

Music to my ears !!!

[@matt72991]

You should look into getting an AFC Live!!! adjust your fueling in the cab!!

[@skinanbonesOG]

hood for sale? i think you meant to say toboggan......lol

[@jasontruman1215]

Craig Thompson I’ve used a second gen hood as one before!!!! They work amazing, the grill frame makes a great hand hold.

[@deecotton5435]

Deffently the best thing I've found to pull in the snow. With all the curves in the hood it glide's over the snow great.

[@neilh6217]

okay okay eh You sold me on choosing the 98 extra cab 4x4 12v 2500 w NV4500 lol😎

[@malcolmyoung7866]

This is why Deboss is one of the best...

[@jessename7849]

You should have put a rack travel plug in it too (as long as it's not a 215 (96-98 manual engines.)) Also you should modify your AFC & then use it's position & the spring you put into it to tune your engine. (Only need a # 0 or #100 plate in it then as a stop to not be able to over travel the rack (which will defuel it) & get a hung rack (which could lead to a run away!))

[@pantherplatform]

When you fired it up i got tears in my eyes.

[@manowaari]

I belive that is actually a Bosch P7100 pump. Very good pump, used also other engines like Scania.

[@permafriedmike8193]

Yes 😂😂😂😂 bobbing your head to an idle are we related in some way

[@joeldelorme1382]

I'm looking at buying a 12 valve to replace my 7.3 idi. Ill be driving it daily. What all should I do to the 12 valve to make the most power and best fuel economy. Love the videos thanks for the help

[@shanemedlin9400]

Advance the timing in the pump and grind the plate to a zero profile, and you'll have more power than the transmission can handle. Since this was a year ago, what did you wind up doing?

[@fmagalhaes1521]

@DeBoss Garage. I love your videos.!, I am learning a whole lot about cummins diesels and how wrench them.

[@rymod2304]

Quality content, as always 👍 #DebossGarage - ‘97 12 Valve owner

[@jasontruman1215]

The early 12v with the rotary pump benefits greatly from a governer spring as well!!!! Same with a fuel pin (their version of a fuel plate).

[@1juggernaught]

Awesome vids, always learning something new, what to do and what not to do!

[@2koolchris291]

I say that that blowby is expected for a high mileage. I’d build it any day of the week. Sounds quite cherry. Good ol 12valve

[@vendetta1306]

Going to look at a 96 12 Valve this weekend!

[@96blackjacket]

“At least I’m not cooking car parts in the oven or the dishwasher ‘today’ “ lol that implies you’ve done it before and will do it again and that’s just hilarious

[@carmonperrin3473]

🤣 Haven't we all done that at some point

[@carterwilcox5395]

Redline for a good time!!!

[@collinwalker]

Wow this man knows what he’s doing

[@wyattlarrick3246]

3:58 Holy cow that started so easy!

[@chevrolet355]

That's a Cummins for ya

[@wyattlarrick3246]

@@chevrolet355 Starts faster than my Cummins 5.0 and it's at least 10 years newer!

[@BloodshotEagle]

Was that blowby even bad to your standards? I thought that was really quite good considering the mileage. Hell. Even with half of the miles I'd be satisfied...

[@MsPokemonsoulsilver]

idk man its like 615k miles, at 300k miles if i had that blowby i would be thinking i got a dud cummins. as a dodge tech, these are million mile motors when maintained correctly and this one is only 100k past 500k. early end of life if you ask me, i would want to see another 250k out of it before that level of blowby.

[@TheMrkaninja]

@@MsPokemonsoulsilver If this was a food delivery truck this thing was easily started 20-30 times a day 5 days per week. That much blowby after 20+ years isn't bad at all and does not mean end of life.....it was still cold after all. I bet that thing easily runs as is for another 7 years 250k km's.

[@jamesloganimoce3196]

Great videos brother better than what i find on youtube so far .. standardized and detail mechanical work even and amature like myself can understand Great mechanic and youtuber! Keep it up brother love from beautiful fiji islands🌴🌞🌊🐳⛅🌄🌅

[@whyidontknow7113]

It's kinda like riding a mechanical bull. If you peg the throttle and the oil cap can last 8 seconds without flying off, it's good 😂

[@hiramdjonesjr]

Sounds like a peace that one put it in an s10

[@panelvanman7671]

i don't even have or have ever worked on a diesel and i enjoyed watching this

[@davidburdett1920]

Only a 12v can put a smile on a guys face like that.

[@shiftymg3590]

WTH?!! this is the 2nd time I subscribe. Someone is playing games. I was wondering why i didn't get an alert on this video's release.

[@bebesito-ev3zd]

Love diesels!!!!

[@francissullivan6400]

If they made a diesel powered tooth brush I'd own it!!

[@V8Power5300]

That blowby isn't even bad

[@phillipdouglas6454]

Briggs & Stratton Power Especially for a cold motor. That motor has lots of life left.

[@ohnoitisnt]

Ive had my share of worn out lawnmowers - this comment with your username made me laugh :)

[@kevinlinford332]

Yeah i was going to say ive seen more blowby on new cummims

[@Fosh51]

It's just acting like a rain cap on a tractor smoke stack.

[@michaelbenoit248]

My idi & past Powerstroke had no blow by, the Powerstroke probably had 400k on it, & having injector issues. So after you consider both engines, they’re abt the same for maintenance costs. Although the price of the truck initially is abt 2x for a Cummins.

[@ScoutPL]

have you done a video just swapping out a plate with the engine pump in place? I'd like to see that.

[@joeycabral11]

The 5 people that disliked this video clearly drive prius's

[@1johnnygunn]

Joey tbgm I'd believe it

[@TheHonestL1ar]

I have a Prius and a Cummins truck. What do you say to that?

[@millerbartlett3453]

*60 people couldn’t see to merge their pruis’s on to the freeway from the smoke

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

I don't get why people hate on Prius, gets from a to b fine. But I guess everyone owns a thousand hp car right? And they go to road courses every week. Oh, too much alpha for me. Two wheel beta here, what shall I do to reproduce? Lulz

[@MrSafer]

shush prius is just fine.

[@flyguyphil7247]

Never heard oj kajiji untill i started watching deboss, every time i hear it i go huh, then my brain kicks in and says, canadian craigslist.

[@duffman1241]

12 valves are the best addiction I have!!!

[@nathanharland3375]

Your the reason why I haven’t turbo-ed my 6.0 ls, the 12v is so dang simple but so expensive around me

[@thegooniverse495]

That cap looked like a Canadian in South Park hahahaha

[@George_Gautier]

Danmmm sound better than my 24V I would like to swap for this one!!

[@runthatreadeth]

I ❤️ my 12 Valve Thanks for the video!

[@robertgemski7728]

Miss my 99 24v 😢 had a 54 block so i sold her. Someday ill get me.an 89 12v and ill treat her like gold!!! It was a sad day when i sold that truck BUT she had 225,000 miles on it and a small crack in the block and still sold her for $5500.00!!

[@subcummins0134]

So you're gonna keep the 3.73's right? It's a perfect balance between daily driving and moderate towing in my opinion. Mine is an nv4500 and an 91 non intercooled with 3.73's and has no problem revving though. Maybe they rev higher or someone put a 3200 spring in? Idk. It has an he351 and intercooler too Not that it makes any difference.

[@jaymckean3274]

Great video sir. There are multiple LOL's and ROFL. 😆🤣 It's always enjoyable to watch DeBoss Garage.

[@markphillips6406]

12v rebuilds 👍

[@4wheelinak135]

Try and start a powerstroke on a pallet

[@nolanbrown84]

4wheelin AK trying to start a Powerstroke in frame is tough enough lol

[@2x4barrels40]

Boy you got that right best battery killer on the planet !

[@Lichor2369]

@@nolanbrown84 That made me laugh entirely too much.

[@seanludwig6638]

You might have better luck starting the pallet

[@59silvereagle]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Jerroh6]

I have a 96 Ram 2500 4x4 5.9L 12v with 5 speed manual HD and 4:10 gearing. 180,00 miles, truck runs great but needs fenders and doors, rockers etc.

[@tomdamon7208]

This is the most informative vid I have ever seen . thank you . What auto trans bolts up ?

[@longnightdiesel12valves7]

94-95 Auto 160 hp / 94-95 manual 175 hp 96-98.5 Auto 180 hp 96-98.5 manual 215 hp

[@jasontruman1215]

Long night diesel 12valves isn’t there a California emissions 190 or 195 hp in there somewhere?

[@longnightdiesel12valves7]

Jason Truman yes there is but not sure what they are right off hand

[@blairwise3339]

That blow-by test she failed isn't always from blow by. Sometimes it's from a vacuum pump leak

[@jasontalley9522]

I have a 1986 turbo diesel Mercedes 6 cylinder and it’s got 500 thousand miles and still runs like a champ only because I’m not dumb😂

[@Kyle_Godfrey111]

I always see people saying crap like “to bad these engines were put in a dodge” they act like Chevy and ford had way better trucks when all trucks of this era had almost the same problems. They are just jealous that dodge has a way better engine

[@danokerr9929]

Better motors bad body.

[@norgepalm7315]

A 12v Cummins in a Chevy or Ford is a 100% better truck

[@tannerlevi8596]

water bear how ?

[@wesrichards6168]

True, I have a 97 dodge 3500 with 235000 miles. the doors close tight and the dash doesn't rattle... sure, everything electric is bad (windows, gauges etc) but the same for every other pickup of the era.

[@DClairRobinson]

That's IT I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE. I'm getting a Cummins!

[@Mechanickirk]

Flying Sparks Garage needs your help with a Cummins in a Wagoneer!! You should fly down to Texas and give them a hand!

[@6literfuelaholic655]

My 97 auto has 280 factory, turnin it up putting it in an 08 f350 srw