13 REASONS WHY: From Bad to Terrible

[@sunnyside1040]

i choked when you called Ms. Baker’s hair “speak to the manager hair” because “how else would we know she’s been through a trauma”

[@Xehanort10]

So Hannah was a Karen?

[@datboi2250]

@@Xehanort10 If yes, then Clay's true name is Kyle

[@emmaherron5121]

That means Hannah’s mum was a Karen.

[@datboi2250]

I mean, if there is a person with Karen hair, then usually everyone else around suffers trauma.

[@hekaterinedragon8776]

@@Xehanort10 no, Hannah was a Becky, because Beckys are usually the daughters of Karens

[@nanusantos1696]

You look both 15 and 35.

[@lu.ciel8770]

Omg....true 😂

[@MOOCHIETAN]

Steiner El Magnifico He looks 20

[@Marina-es6ox]

HAJIHSSJHDHD LMAO STOP

[@Nexils]

He is 18 or 19 :p

[@nanusantos1696]

Shazza i mean, you're not *wrong*

[@laurenbi]

The only reason I’m excited for Season 3 is bc there’s going to be another wave of videos bashing it.

[@alleyj826]

Lauren Bennett SAME

[@TheBatbike]

Me too

[@gabriellaa931]

Honestly

[@takuanp1ckles]

Tbh

[@tyleroravec4127]

I’m only excited to see Pretty Much It react to it lmao

[@Nana-fg3pr]

So disappointed that the second season didn't turn out to be Hannah turning into a ghost and killing all those terrible and unrealistically stupid teenagers.

[@JadaSnacks]

@Kairo Chambers seriously?

[@nbtstan3198]

@@JadaSnacks yep, but a part of me would love it

[@Xehanort10]

Ghost Hannah: Clayyyyyyy. You left me and I've come to haunt you.

[@soloman3444]

So basically unfriended

[@madmanwebster94]

The fact that they've already announced a third season regardless of the backlash That season 2 is getting just shows that they're just wanting more money and they're trying to milk it as much as possible.

[@yiningfan4642]

the fact that netflix keep canceling good shows and producing mediocre ones says a lot

[@RissasOcean]

Or that it's popular and actually has an audience?

[@analdelrey249]

no offense but they cancelled fucking shadowhunters. imagine that shit being cancelled while 13 rw isn't? they're both literally garbage yet 13 rw gets to have a renewal. netflix is always about money and i'm mad tbh esp they cancelled sense8 lmao

[@RissasOcean]

It's all about ratings and viewership. 13rw is giving them buzz, makes sense that they would continue it, from a TV standpoint, all opinions on other "failed" shows pushed aside.

[@lunalove9395]

its definitely just about money. i'm pretty sure its their most viewed original show. :/

[@colekalenak5087]

as a higher schooler, The Office is the closest show to my everyday life. THE OFFICE.

[@nikomiller]

Cole Kalenak as someone who attends a foreign equivalent of high school, Community is the closest show to my everyday life...

[@sydneyklemm5674]

Same

[@atheris1641]

THE OFFICE IS THE BEST HELL YEAH

[@overitentirely]

Just wait until you get an actual office job. That show is spot on man

[@jojofeeny3730]

YES.

[@shabadadoo5004]

"It's like One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish but with rape instead of fish" amazing

[@markuse3472]

#13ReasonsWhy is likely the best and greatest TV show based on high school reality in regards what many teen students suffer around the country (and other countries world wide [just do some research]). Or, simply one of the greatest and best TV show of all time. The only reason why it got a lot of backlash, is due to Selena Gomez' being part of the show. We know that the Spanish name is hardly tolerated in this country, but the Mexican name/background even less. 13 Reasons Why, for those who ACTUALLY care for others who suffer the multiple types of harassment in at school, has given the world an educated way at looking at these matters. It has given attention for them for open discussion, when such things were/are being ignored. Bullying, rape, violence, etc., are part of some peoples lives as jr. high through college students, and without a strong voice to be heard world wide, it would keep being put on a shelf and let criminals get away with such crimes and the victims will keep suffering since the victims tend to be the seeming weakest. The ones who join the backlash movement on anything, are the ones who want chaos and crime to keep happening to others. They come out as "social" media police when its convenient for them, when it suits their biases and prejudices, when it happens to only those they identify with. I guarantee had Selena's name not been in it, the show would have been LOVED by the great and overwhelming majority, it would have even likely won various Emmys. Thankfully, there still remains on this planet some, which can be many, who are loyal to honesty and reality, and we know 13 Reasons Why to be a very, very good show. This show demands attention. It demands intellect from viewers. It provides intellect to viewers. It provides the real deal and raw deplorable circumstances many such aged-students live through. Yet, the ones speaking out against the show, are the ones who show they really and actually don't care, and what they do care about is they would have wanted someone else other than Selena being part of the production. They instead make information for those who suffer more difficult to access. It helps make those who suffer less likely to seek help. It helps schools be less likely to take action against the criminals.

[@theinfantmetroid]

Markus E I genuinly hope this is a copypasta

[@iamthetable8131]

Markus E Uhh what

[@iamthetable8131]

Markus E Is this a joke?

[@MrJonniman007]

@marcus BULL SHIT

[@kggo6272]

Do an hour long ASMR video just repeating the phrase "Wow. You're an actual nerd, aren't you?"

[@ayo8453]

completely off topic but boi what is your skincare routine yr actually glowing

[@eemakagoma6410]

Ayo P FORREAL

[@Djoodibooti]

So juicy lewking

[@iluvearth99]

+

[@thehalfassedbadass519]

bukakke, most likely

[@REDinitial]

Petition for Taylor to become a beauty guru on the side until the 3rd season comes out.

[@gendercryptid]

Season 1 - rape culture and how it is totally okay to revenge suicide as long as you have very detailed tapes to make everyone feel bad about what the did. Season 2 - more rape culture, bullying is bad, school shootings can be stopped with a good heart to heart Season 3 prediction - Abortion rights, how rich people can get away with anything, and more bullying is bad storyline. Oh, and Clay finds another girlfriend who is emotionally unstable in some way.

[@KookiesNolly]

by the way, Netflix released a "behind the scenes" or something like that (the same kind of stuff they did with stranger things) where they invited a psychologist and she's discussing some topics with one of the writers and directors of the show. She literally said that what clay did at the end was WRONG. She said people should just call the police in this situation instead of risking their lives. I can definitely see young teenagers trying to emulate Clay because he's presented like a hero in this scene and getting themselves killed as a result. It's just one of the many things that the show gets wrong about the topics it's trying to present. It advocates the exact opposite of what should be done because the writers and just fucking everyone involved in the making of this garbage show are too lazy to google this shit. GOD!

[@gendercryptid]

Eli N.S yeah I heard about that. It is actually hilarious since I am sure they had people saying do not write that shit into the show and the writers just ignored it because they think they are making some amazing PSA show. Like dudes, you aren't. You are writing shit. It's like no one on the writing staff has dealt with mental illness, sexual trauma, bullying, or even remembers what high school was like. Still can't believe it was greenlit for a 3rd season.

[@asuspiciousavocado3317]

*+Angelisa Hassan* Well, there's always a thing called "exception". However, for the majority of time, this act will result in death. If you're stuck in a room with the shooter, then talking IS THE ONLY OPTION, so it's not stupid to try it. If you're not, you shouldn't just run into them in order to try to make them stop *by the powah of luv.* You should get out of the school before they catch you and call the police.

[@TheSalamanderMenace4]

The pregnancy thing is gonna be handled so poorly, you can just tell from this shitty season's handling of topics, it's gonna be painful to watch, bet on it.

[@asuspiciousavocado3317]

*+Angelisa Hassan* Hah, funny how you answered me just as I entered KZbin. *Answer:* If it's a matter of life and death, then yes. You should do what is _more likely_ to work. No tactic works 100% of the time, but lowering the chances of risking your AND OTHER PEOPLE'S lives is the correct thing to do.

[@daniellekessler1494]

so thankful for these vids so I can keep talking shit about this show without ever having to watch it

[@anleg98]

so true

[@slaughterround643]

me_irl

[@donttriphoe916]

Danielle Kessler same

[@REDinitial]

Doing the same thing here. Watched only commentaries of it and one of them showed some parts of the mop rape scene. I triggered myself. Fuck this show xD

[@tsukiji_wasabi3722]

moooooooood

[@nadadeeso9721]

Season 1 was a mistake Season 2 was a mistake Season 3 will be a mistake

[@rodolfo_oliva]

Season 2 it's a mistake.

[@neoriv9468]

The book was also a mistake

[@nm9688]

10 reasons why

[@nickcunningham758]

13 Seasons later.... It’s still a mistake.

[@23Hayden]

Yet you'll still watch it just to have a whinge afterwards lol No thought of avoiding the show all together. Better watch it just so you can join in with the rest of the sheltered kids in bashing it Lmaooooo

[@carolinedixon5913]

As a graphic designer, the poster was the first thing I saw and I absolutely hated it. It bothers me so much because the design is super simple and used all the time and the artist managed to mess it up. It looked like the designer didn't want to take the time to make it perfect and just kind of shrugged his shoulders and went, "good enough."

[@KookiesNolly]

IT'S SO FUCKING UGLY!

[@slenderhatesmillennials195]

Its so bad they even did the poster shit.

[@karinisvetcool]

at first I thought Hannah was making a weird face, pulling her lip up

[@rollfizzlebeef5384]

All this time I thought Cley’s name was spelled Clay. Even auto correct said Clay.

[@imastuffedgoat7615]

I know nothing about graphic design, but couldn't they have just taken the two shots, lined them up, and then put the Polaroid border on after? It seems pretty easy.

[@HexElixer]

Damn you’re handsome

[@sweetchocolatesecret]

Steven Burnley I've been looking for a comment like this just so I can agree with it. He's hecka cute.

[@oof-rr5nf]

Too true.

[@ikindoflikemangoes4951]

If he got rid of that bush on his upper lip he’d legit look like Nick Jonas

[@PiesCanFly]

No No No, That's Not It Nah his scruff is sexy.

[@witchplease9695]

I disagree, his lips don't fit his face and his mustache is gross but he seems like a nice guy

[@wonder_9315]

This show combined the violence of Game Of Thrones with the writing of Sesame Street.

[@Thesketchfox]

Wonder_9 sasame is actually good

[@yaeli_i_guess]

Wonder_9 lmao

[@shawklan27]

Wonder_9 LMAO

[@TheRedowl101]

Wow how dare you compare it with sesame street? At least sesame street gives a clear message and you come out of it with a wholesome message, unlike some "woker shows" *ehem this one*

[@tojki9325]

Sesame Street had better writers.

[@Nhoj31neirbo47]

Thoughts; I’m not an expert but the legal case against the school was weak, as presented. I wasn’t at all surprised by the verdict. In the real world the parents would have settled and taken that lesser victory.~ I found the extreme loyalty shown to Bryce by his teammates to be not well supported by the script. Most of it seemed based on self-protection, which is understandable to a point, but I think some of those guys would have bailed on him pretty quick irl.. Monty’s loyalty is explained late in S2, but mostly to dramatize Bryce’s pathologically manipulative behavior. ~ S2 was so over the top that I fully expected it to end with Tyler committing mass murder. Him surrendering the gun actually seemed ludicrous at that point.

[@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked]

It kind of was. Realistically, it wouldn't happen.

[@nykerianash1590]

Reflex yeah, I also what have told the adults because if he couldn’t talk Tyler down a lot of people who died and it would have been partially his fault.

[@CatoftheStorm]

After the outbreaks of shootings in schools, I don't think any show will even present that to the viewers, whether "realistic" or not. The producers would get bashed even more.

[@thatgirlreacts5465]

LOVE OF PLANTS 🌻 no fucking way would parents settle in real life. Not unless they were just looking for money, which was not the case of Hannah's parents, or her mom more so. She was looking to hold the school accountable. A settlement does not provide that.

[@22zay65]

Yeah, I was kind of actually upset that Tyler didn’t follow through with the mass shooting. The show made all the characters look so absurdly aggressive that I actually was aggravated he didn’t at least kill Monty. Not to mention someone sending warnings, gearing up, and loading a car full of ammunition seemed like someone who was too far gone to let someone just talk him down.

[@whoisthisperson8454]

Season 1 is tapes. Season 2 is Polaroid. Season 3 is VHS Tapes

[@maddiemendoza2740]

Zombie Killer season 4 will be messages by carrier pigeons

[@whoisthisperson8454]

Hekto Shmekto Season 5 Morse code. Season 6 Ouija Board.

[@giveandtake8428]

Season 7: pagers.

[@barnabasseaworth3313]

Season 8: Mail Letters

[@likeabunnie]

Lazer discs! Records! Fireside chats! :-D

[@teon7881]

13rw season 6: Hannahs death was a dream, she returns

[@shanegrele]

Season 7: everything goes back to normal, turns out it was all fanfiction written by Clay

[@TheEmperorRaidou]

@@shanegrele I would like that

[@chocomelo454]

season 18: Bryce never raped anyone and every single male character comes out as gay, even Chadly Chad III

[@chocomelo454]

i am using chad ironically Chads dont exist but you my good sir are a chad

[@rodolfo_oliva]

It would've been better if after getting high with Hannah the only way of talking to her after she's dead is getting high. Instead of forcing the whole hallucination thing.

[@avr7120]

But there can only be one drug addict in a teen drama.

[@Ruby_Spacek]

I really like this show but yes I wasn't super into the hallucination thing.

[@Marmalade-_-]

The problem with that is then people will complain that the drug doesn't have that effect

[@DDnufcGamer]

hon bun which it doesn't and would be rather dumb. No dumber than it already is in the show, but still dumb.

[@sharonspears-mandeville2369]

Then *where the hell would* our poor,poor little Clay-boy even GET these/this magical-"Holy sh%t,I can see my dead-classmate/fake-friend right about effin'-NOW..am I frigging trippin' now,bro..?"-drugs from,huh..? How 13reasons gone explaining that,silly dudes..? (Just kidding,eh..??!!)

[@deadletter4317]

The sex stuff is just disturbing. Why do they think we want to see high schoolers (albeit adult actors) naked? It’s not a good concept

[@Br0wnEyedQueen]

especially having to see the rapist character in the show having really graphic long sex like that's something entertaining

[@asuspiciousavocado3317]

Because the audience consists mostly of teenagers, thus they show hot teens... I guess.

[@ussishkingang7194]

A Suspicious Avocado not an excuse for showing minor characters like this

[@disgruntledcashier503]

It’s not child pornography, but it’s morally tantamount

[@Jacson_23]

Ussishkin Gang they arent minors though. and so what ?

[@gFamWeb]

The main issue for me is how close Season 2 gets to the truth, but then contradicts itself. Skye: look, therapy helps, and my suicide attempt wasn't your fault, Clay. Clay: I won't tell anyone I'm hallucinating because it won't help, also Hannah's suicide is my fault. Show: No one's gonna help you, not your school, not the justice system. You're on your own. School Official: We're not letting you talk about suicide because some people may admire what she did and commit suicide themselves. Clay: Lol, you're wrong, silence doesn't help. Show: *glorifies and mishandles these sensitive topics* IRL: *man actually commits suicide and leaves audio recordings* (look it up, it actually happened) Showrunners: Why are people criticizing our show?

[@davesvens8697]

Also a girl did the almost same thing with notes noting 6 reasons why she killed herself after seeing the show. So.... Yeah...

[@nicoleta2628]

The moment you said "clay thinks about somebody else" I though "no,, they can't have used somebody else by the 1975, that would be too obvious" but surprise surprise

[@MrAlbinoGhost]

THANK YOU. The part about how they are criticizing Tyler's voyeurism and the male gaze just made me roll me eyes so hard when they sexualize these teenaged characters only minutes later.

[@MrAlbinoGhost]

Also, school shooters are mentally unstable sociopaths, not relatively normal kids who get sodomized with a broom one too many times.

[@slimkt]

I have been waiting for this since your last critique on 13RW! PS dude, your skin looks amazing. I'm legitimately a little bit jealous.

[@ShadesofViolet8]

slimkt I must say, your comment is just so adorable! 😄 ❤

[@Qazwdx394]

I JUST commented that :D

[@xXxRebeccaRawrxXx]

slimkt i was just about to comment that his skin is GLOWING

[@oof-rr5nf]

Yup. He is super cute. 'Totally unfair', cries my very, very rational mind.

[@5KiTl3z0r8]

slimkt forgot to put in no homo

[@bmcminn8838]

13 Reasons why season 3: Hannah's top 8 on Myspace

[@lunasuji]

Your attitude towards this show is spot on and so funny. I love it.

[@alleyj826]

Susana Chávez hahaha so true. We want to like it, we find characters we sort of like, but in the end, it’s shit.

[@lunasperidot8760]

To be honest, it's pretty consistent for her. Hannah's always been a big hypocrite who doesn't take pretty much anyone else's feelings into account. Shes abrasive. The kind of person to be into clean bandit, but hate on other people for liking clean bandit and calling them hipsters.

[@ididgt4259]

Something dawned on me while editing. Hannah talks about yawning at pretentious people who like 2001: a Space Odyssey, a not necessarily exciting film with that has dense text. This makes her seem like a #relatable, edgy teen, but it's actually a character inconsistency when you consider her interest in poetry, another art form also considered pretentious

[@lunasperidot8760]

To be honest, it's pretty consistent for her. Hannah's always been a big hypocrite who doesn't take pretty much anyone else's feelings into account. Shes abrasive. The kind of person to be into clean bandit, but hate on other people for liking clean bandit and calling them hipsters.

[@ech78928]

The worst side effect is how many people will say the movie is shit without actually seeing it. THANKS 13 REASONS WHY!!

[@alessandrohernandez-delape5465]

cami This guy copied this from one of the black frames that appears for a moment. Not his words, but the uploaders.

[@ididgt4259]

Yeah I know I've been out of internet range for the past couple if days. It's all Taylor's words not mine.

[@ethanpadilla4353]

Well with Hannah saying that you can yawn to pretentious people about 2001, you can also yawn when the fans of 13 reasons why start talking about it.

[@elinisaksson351]

Very much agree about the tone-deaf argument. This is especially true in the last episode, where, after the scene where Tyler has been assaulted in the most graphic and graphic and horrific way, they cut straight to a "you didn't think I'd let you go" cutesy love scene between Tony and his boyfriend. How could they possibly think that was a good decision?

[@Xehanort10]

Did they really do that? What was the thinking there? "Alright we've just done a scene where a guy gets beaten up in a bathroom, nearly drowned in a toilet then sodomised with a mop? Cut to 2 blokes kissing now."

[@madting8082]

Taylor, you’re an actual nerd, aren’t you?

[@DDnufcGamer]

You can tell by his Star Wars poster.

[@aikaterineillt9876]

Honestly dude, all I care about are all the cut scenes of Socks Guy.

[@stopreadingthisusername9528]

Fedora Guy is my waifu

[@TheKrillany]

On the subject of un-subtle music choices, the lyrics “shoot em up, shoot em up” over Tyler prepping his guns and Justin shooting up heroin........I MEAN CMON!!!!!!

[@deborahwey4183]

i wish you address the ridiculousness of the whole “helping justin’s addiction” subplot they had. how the heck are some high schoolers supposed to be helping a literal heroin addict become clean?

[@deborahwey4183]

oh and i hated what they did with all the poc characters. every one of them except tony and jessica had such minor parts it seemed they didn’t exist

[@terryperkins1920]

Deborah Wey Maybe cause there weren’t that many poc

[@tophatring8445]

Deborah Wey we really gotta stop adults from making shows about teens 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@disgruntledcashier503]

I love how they show multiple scenes of characters smoking heroin, but cigarettes are too far

[@ultimatetrashboy419]

By whining and being stereotypical

[@marinajoestar267]

It felt like none of the actors actually wanted to be on set. And honestly I don't blame them.

[@markuse3472]

Hahaha. You are a fool. Everyones acting was outstanding.

[@kostajovanovic3711]

+Markus E hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha

[@marinajoestar267]

Looks like tween nation is trying to attack me

[@Xehanort10]

@@markuse3472 You've never seen outstanding acting if you think the acting in this was then.

[@markuse3472]

@@Xehanort10 Outstanding in relation to other teen shows and young adult dramas: this was outstanding acting and overall if not total amazing production. You'll be better off keep watching the kardashians since you don't like Good TV.

[@greglong7170]

Something that I think gets glossed over is Clay being a bully in the name of justice for Hannah. How is his behavior even remotely heroic?

[@empressfreya9872]

I stopped watching after season one but some of that stuff just bothers me because I read the book Zach harassed Hannah multiple times and took away the notes that were supposed to be in her bag in her class, therefore taking away her last hope of a bit of support and appreciation. Them being together makes no sense. And the main "issue" with Hannah's parents in the book was that they were never there and basically left her all alone Uuuuurghs

[@emmarose7738]

The whole showing erections on screen thing is just...yuck. Like it makes me so uncomfortable

[@seanegan8150]

So I was the only one turned on by that? Shit...

[@seanegan8150]

(seriously though that scene was fuckin stoopid)

[@jakedebruin2246]

Trying to rival big mouth for most erections in a Netflix show, eh 13RW?

[@kgraves2269]

It’s hard for you to watch?

[@kieranstark7213]

No show will have as much bare erections as Basebrawl and Peivate Partners!!!! XD

[@olivias1212]

THANK U FOR NOT SHOWING THE MOP SCENE WHEN TALKING ABOUT IT EVERY OTHER REVIEWER DOES

[@REDinitial]

Legit dry heaved when I first saw it in a commentary. They did give the warning before hand but I just wasn't expecting THAT.

[@olivias1212]

REDinitial SAMEEEE I WAS WATCHING A COMMENTARY AND THEY JUST JUMPED INTO IT

[@apseudonym]

season 2 was such a steaming pile of shit. the courtroom scenes annoyed me the most, too much exposition by way of witness testimony. lazy writing, no good lawyer ever asks a question in cross-examination that they don't know the answer to. whoever wrote these civil suit scenes doesn't know shit about the litigation process.

[@slytheringirl1327]

One things that really disappoints me is that Brian Yorkey (the creator and show runner) has created one of the most beautiful works of fiction that deals with mental illness and suicide (Next to Normal, it’s a musical) that is so incredibly moving and I cry every time I listen to the soundtrack, but then he goes and writes this which has all the wrong messages and overdramatizes everything and it just hurts me. Sorry I just had to go on a mini rant and get that out there because I’m disappointed in Brian Yorkey.

[@booktales1687]

I had no idea he worked on Next to Normal. I love that musical! It's so sad thinking about him going from that to...this.

[@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821]

@@booktales1687 I think he's doing it for money tbh

[@booktales1687]

@@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821 if that's true, it's sad to see people are willing to through away all integrity for money

[@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821]

@@booktales1687 money reveals our most true of selves

[@tomexists7056]

Can’t wait for season 3 to have an abortion scene where they have to fish the foetus out.

[@disgruntledcashier503]

Tom Exists they did, along with some throwing shade at cartoonish pro-lifers

[@games_bond7221]

Yeah it does

[@DeathbyPixels]

“Our show has literally caused people to kill themselves.” “Let’s make more of it!”

[@VioletEmerald]

You are totally right about Tyler's arc and honestly I'm laughing here at the way you sum up the chain of events...

[@thegmanprince64]

This joke is a show

[@tzunano]

👁🌊 what U did there

[@atheris1641]

Hummmm

[@seanegan8150]

hehehe

[@900flyingmuffins6]

Show is a joke this

[@keyofdestiny8477]

:D looool

[@diamondcreeper28]

This show is the mental illness/sexual assault equivalent of Autism Speaks, prove me wrong

[@rhi1989]

I don't think theyve outright condoned child murder yet, thats something. Im sure they will at some point though.

[@AFarmerCalledChicken]

Insufferable Know-It-All they definitely will... just wait

[@Dreigonix]

+kekmeup Oh my _GOD._ Not many things personally offend me to an enraging level? Autism Speaks does. They’re more like Autism Speaks And We Shouldn’t Let It.

[@theodorelupin2421]

Season one was tapes Season two was polaroids Season three better be fucking carrier pigeons

[@alexdiaz1283]

I met Taylor J Williams at a convention today!!! I was so smitten, and I'm happy to say he is as charming and polite as he seems on his channel 💙 Thank you for creating such a good memory for me ! 👌 - Alex, biggest fan

[@vitormelomedeiros]

15:53 13 reasons why in a nutshell

[@blackham7]

Vítor Medeiros lmao what's the original video called ?

[@lunalove9395]

'investigative blues clues shenanigans' cracked me up

[@retnuh7097]

“One fish Two fish Red fish Blue fish But with rape” this got me dead

[@mexelyorellana6972]

I honestly thought that Tony was way too old and got held back a year because of his storyline.

[@AM-lc3lm]

They put pop music so they can promote artist and songs ,Selena put her music in the other season too

[@atribecalledlen3567]

facts lmao she ain't slick

[@Laurenjoinsyoutube]

I don’t understand how Clay felt like he had such a claim to Hannah. They were just casual coworkers right and didn’t really have a good friendship yet when she died he was SO in love and her rock really? 🤔 what

[@Xehanort10]

They portray him as being in love with her but he's actually just obsessed with her.

[@goingunder2548]

I mean, it's pretty realistic immature teenage entitlement. It's probably the only realistic thing concerning any of these 'teenagers'

[@mightybfool]

I’m sure they just took the best Wattpad 13 reasons why fanfic that they could find, and made it into a script.

[@Rocketsnail1000]

One thing I didn't understand was in the last episode where Jessica and those other women were in court talking about experiencing sexual assualt. Like, this all seemed to be during Bryce's trial, which didn't make sense. How do any of those stories, besides Jessica's, have any bearing on the case? They all seemed so contrived too, like all of a sudden every female character in the show experienced sexual assault. It was just so out of place and appeared out of nowhere. As far as I could tell, the message of this scene was "If you're a girl, you *will* be sexually assaulted at some point."

[@KookiesNolly]

hey remember #Metoo? Woke gotta woke

[@rhi1989]

The vast majority of women will be sexually harrassed or assaulted at some point in their lives, dude.

[@KookiesNolly]

Insufferable Know-It-All evidence ?

[@Rocketsnail1000]

Insufferable Know-It-All Well that's just not true at all, and that's a very damaging thing to make anybody believe

[@FrauStormm]

Rocketsnail1000 it is actually pretty damn true. All my female friends have been sexually harassed or assaulted at some point, as have I. Regardless, that scene was just kind of random and clunky. Came out of nowhere and left me hella confused for a minute.

[@muhammadfaizalardi408]

am i the only one who's confused about how the school team once played basketball in season 1 and now they play baseball in season 2?

[@RissasOcean]

Muhammad Faar 2 different seasons of sports

[@jenniferferguson1517]

Muhammad Faar a lot of people play more than one sport in school

[@iamchris6033]

Yes yes you are

[@thepug991]

Hey, I took film classes with you years ago!

[@nonewmsgs]

Court 101 for movie fans: The arguments that are going to be discussed are done in pretrial motions and both sides are aware of those and all evidence and witnesses before court ever starts Lawyers remain calm and usually calmly asks questions seated. They are not to go past their tables and if they do so without permission they will be tackled by the bailiff. Getting close to the witness never happens and would seem aggressive. Witnesses do not confess due to being asked tough questions

[@lizrose1679]

After watching the first season of 13 reason why it made me realize how easy it is to kill myself. And all my friends and classmates agreed that after watching it it made us strangely suicidal

[@asuspiciousavocado3317]

Are you serious? My classmates spend time hating bad characters.

[@lizrose1679]

yeah we hated the characters too, but i think it was the graphic content that really made people depressed. This girl in one of my classes was so traumatized by it she spent 2 week in the guidance office. The only awareness this show brought us is how aware we've become on how easy it is to kill ourselves when life get difficult.

[@thebilliespace]

You might think it's easy, but you'd find out sooner or later it's actually not. Survival instinct can be a biiiiiiitch.

[@doraaaa0613]

oh yeah weird, that's exactly what my friend said. she had called me a bit after finishing s1 and i noticed that her mood was really down so i asked her why and she said that 13 reasons why was really graphic in its portrayal of suicide and rape. she said it put her in a really bad mood.

[@digital_pyth0n]

yeah I felt like hella shitty for like a week after finished s1. Definitely did not have a positive effect on my mental health

[@galaxysgeek12]

people die when they are killed *-*

[@shockandawe03]

word

[@juliannatoth9561]

Shiitt........

[@lookingforlove839]

An archer uses a bow

[@Qazwdx394]

hey this is random but your skin is hella smooth and soft looking

[@Seldarius]

Someone’s gotta explain to Netflix that it is ok to end a series after one season if the story is told. You don’t need to continue it until it dies a slow death (and then add another season for good measure). Bringing shows to their natural conclusion might even make room for shows that need more than one season to tell its story to not be cancelled on a cliffhanger.

[@birdword111]

Worst line of the show: Alex (looking at photo of himself in a coma): Why did I do this to myself? Tyler: You didn't do it to you....THE SCHOOL DID IT TO YOU. NO. Stop. While those kids need to learn that their actions have consequences and I would never point at Alex and scream "It's your fault so I shouldn't feel bad for you!" (in fact, why does it have to be a matter of fault? Why can't it just be a thing that happened because he was in a bad place?), the school itself did not do it to him. They have a lot to atone for, definitely, but that's not the same. We can say their actions may have contributed to this bad place he was in, but that's the extent of that. Mental illness is a complex thing with a "perfect storm" of factors that cause it at once, not just one thing.

[@Xehanort10]

Self pity oozes through all the characters on the show.

[@goingunder2548]

This reminds me of something I've seen in real life that bothers me. Finger pointing after someone kills themselves can lead those accused (usually people in a position of power who could have theoretically stepped in and prevented the suicide) to become severely depressed and even kill themselves as well from the guilt. If you cared so much about mental health, you wouldn't place such a weight on someone's shoulders for the rest of their life, especially as those people almost always feel incredibly guilty already.

[@juliadavis5347]

pls notice me im ur biggest fan

[@caprisunnerd]

Bojack Horseman portrays mental illness better than this show

[@KaneK1234]

Caprisun Nerd It really doesn’t.

[@low-keybi6539]

Blade Runner it really does tho

[@Xehanort10]

When a show about a talking horse portrays mental illness better than a show with real people in it that just shows 13RW's bad writing.

[@benjammin007]

I’m late but this is kind of a bad take. I feel like Bojack kind of romanticizes mental illness a bit. If you want a good form of media that portrays mental illness well check out the musical Next to Normal

[@michaelandrews117]

@@benjammin007 I don't think Stupid Piece of Shit, The View from Halfway Down, Bad Damage or Downer Ending give any romanticism to mental illness. In fact BoJack repeatedly goes out of its way to show how shit mental illness and addiction and trauma is and shows the consequences of people's actions when they self destruct. Then they explicitly show Diane going through depression, ditching her meds because she thinks it'll be better for her "process" then show that that's a bad decision and that her meds were helping and preventing her from feeling as shit as she had for 5 seasons beforehand.

[@Xtremedude720]

13 reasons why happened to come during a time when i was a bit fucked up and the graphic/unrealistic depictions of suicide and its impact really stayed in my mind for a long time. It felt like it was encouraging me to do it with how it depicted suicide as a good revenge method which is an incredibly unhealthy thought. I think it could've been a fine show if they would've changed suicide from a revenge to a massive burden on everyone else.

[@mhdraculaurabite]

it took me 5 minutes to slow down the video to 0.25 speed and read what was on 25:45

[@VioletEmerald]

I was able to pause it on the text on my first try!! XD Yay being on a computer... and being lucky this time lol. 26:56 too.

[@dszk1990]

For posterity: the < and > keys rewind/forward the video frame by frame.

[@thatawesomegirl650]

It’s so cool to see how much your channel has grown and improved since your last 13 reasons why video! You’ve really come into your own now. I can’t wait to see what’s next!

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Why on earth is every character so damn hostile? Even the teachers and parents act so aggressively. Even if going through trauma is difficult, isn’t there any instance where characters just feel too tired to get angry? Everyone is so angsts and dramatic.

[@Alex-cj2kc]

The title has me laughing.

[@johncaral9847]

Alexandria Olive why

[@Alex-cj2kc]

John Caral because it’s so blunt

[@Daniel-nv9fl]

Good use of statistics with the outlier add-in. Thanks, doc

[@Artstronaut]

I think actors were tired because they felt 2nd season wasn't necessary but they already signed the contract 😂😂😂😂

[@daneone5576]

And there's going to be a season three God is truly dead

[@madmanwebster94]

Lost Goth God never existed so that's the reason why we're getting season 3

[@lunasperidot8760]

"God's not dead he's surely alive."

[@jakedebruin2246]

Luna's Peridot don't remind me of that movie.

[@Morally_Immoral2]

Luna's Peridot why the hell would you reference that movie

[@unamed2516]

Lost Goth I wasn’t to happy about season 2 but they’re really thinking of a number 3? They should’ve just ended at season 2 because of Hannah’s trial and getting justice.

[@RadioactiveSnail]

15:54 13 reasons why season 3 leaked footage

[@everythingiseconomics9742]

I recommend this season to everyone. It's the funniest thing ever.

[@llovecatsandag]

I couldn’t finish the second season. I like the actors, but I don’t like the show. It’s just way too graphic for me. Some parts aren’t realistic.

[@wonder_9315]

gaby most parts aren’t realistic. The dialogue is insufferable, the suicide aspect is horribly romanticized. No teenagers talk like this. Bullying is rarely, if ever this bad (at least what I’ve seen). Yes, the acting is good, the production is good, but that’s about it.

[@louisromero2320]

Theres fucking kids being raped with brooms, school shooting, rape, drug addicts, suicides, kids dyig in car accidents, tons of fights, kids with guns. Wtf. And this is apparently all happening to kids in same grade in the same school. Just one of these events would be incredibly rare in a school, but according to this show this sort of major shit happens every week.

[@markuse3472]

Give me the name of a TV show or movie you have found totally "realistic", and then I will humble you and your opinion with intellect.

[@llovecatsandag]

Markus E that wasn’t totally my point. I meant to say that not all of these things could happen at one school and to the same group of people.

[@juliannatoth9561]

It's just so boring, couldn't do it.

[@gisellelikesrice]

That broom scene was mentally scarring

[@ohwellwhatcanyado]

The fact that people defend this show and act as if it actually has anything to say makes me feel so sorry for them. Like how out of touch of reality can they possibly be?

[@Rieky22]

Facts I don’t understand

[@bryanchu5379]

*_A N A C T U A L N E R D_*

[@skatewitch3s]

In season 4 the last episode, towards the end he actually repeats almost exactly what you say 😳 “ just to be clear i don’t actually see dead people i just imagine what they’d say” something like that, crazyy

[@13LostandFound]

That middle school psa clip was scarily similar

[@spookykidbunny]

was that an editing error at 10:38 or was it intentional? either way, i laughed

[@mrtheluckybucket]

qubie Id say an editing error lol

[@hiraeth4801]

This show has such a strong message of "don't worry, look at Hannah! After she killed herself she got her revenge, she got her justice, people feel sorry now, and she's not really gone! She's with Clay!" And it is so so so so so dangerous to push that message. Not only is it completely false but it is the fantasy that people struggling with suicide have and here's this depiction showing them that it's what they'll get.

[@eemakagoma6410]

This didn't only hit the head on the nail, but also drove it into the ground. Absolutely incredible! 👏 I would also be really interested if you did a review of "Ladybird". It would be especially insightful from a male perspective. Kudos on your channel, I thoroughly look forward to your content.

[@VioletEmerald]

I just heard a criticism of Ladybird today and now I'm tempted to see what sounds like a kinda bad movie... I'd love his perspective on it as well!

[@eemakagoma6410]

luvtheheaven5 Personally I adore "Ladybird" because I find it relatable, but I can understand why someone could dislike it because it heavily relies on tropes. That being said I feel alot of teens try to ascribe to cliches as they find themselves. So while nothing special happens I feel the honesty of the portrayal is what makes "Ladybird" special. I feel it's the female renaissance of "Boyhood".

[@VioletEmerald]

:)

[@joselocalau123]

honestly i was expecting that after all the negative reviews about S2 they would cancel it, but hEy, guEss whAt, there's a third season coming! Yay...

[@Djoodibooti]

How do you both look 14 and 37?! I need answers.

[@alextromagnetic]

Justin's arc was awful. I get the point it was trying to make that demons are hard to kick but it never gave us the feel that he had moved on, so when he regressed back into his addiction, it had no impact

[@ЮліяОтрішко]

You are growing as a blogger like A LOT! You are way more confident in front of camera and the video itself was quite fun, on the opposite of the more serious approach you used before. Your channel deserves more attention, keep up the good work!

[@joshboy64]

So for a show that I'm doing with a production company, I actually did use the "I'm Pregnant" cliffhanger, but I like to think that I did it alright. The use of it was in the perspective of a side character who gets an episode dedicated to them in a 5 episode story arc following different characters at Christmas time, and it shows that his inability to let the past drag him down led him to making poor decisions. Now, as the writer, I can go about this one of two ways should I do a season two, and not have this side character be the father, but I'm still deciding that. Either way, I don't have it impact the main story, nor do I have it be important or try to make it REALISTIC and GROUNDED and GRITTY -- it's basically my take on a high school dramedy along the same vein as Louie and Atlanta and Freaks and Geeks. The way this show did it, I swear to God -- I almost laughed my ass off with how over the top it was. "I'm pregnant with Bryce's baby..." *CLOSE-UP OF JESSICA OHMIGOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDD DAS NUTZ!!!!* The way the writers tackle everything is just insane and ridiculous. And the hot button topics are just so on the nose it's insulting. I remember being confused beyond belief when they had the montage of women speaking out about sexual assault (gee, I wonder where they got this idea from, despite the fact that this is pretty much the main crutch of the whole series and Hannah's death and most of the story arcs of half of the characters?), and the school shooting attempt was quite possible one of the most insulting things I've ever seen in my life, it literally made my sick to my stomach. I've got nothing wrong with mass shootings in a show or a movie as long as you understand the implications and handle it as tastefully as you can. Elephant by Gus Van Sant is probably the only good example of this, because it handles it in a grounded way that never once feels over the top. You know what's worse than romanticizing suicide? Romanticizing a school shooter. Say what you will about the first season, but at least the suicide scene was handled as well as it could've, and made a great visual case for why not to do it in the end, thanks to the haunting editing, the down right gruesome sound mixing, and the performances from Katherine Langford, Kate Walsh, and Shrek from Broadway. The rape scene with the mop was just gratuitous for the sake of being gratuitous. Christ, I can't believe this is getting a third season. I'm calling it now, they're gonna use VHS tapes or BETA tapes for Tyler's manifesto or some shit. Either that, or those two things are gonna be a part of it.

[@marinao4412]

as someone who hasn't seen this season and just came to this video to watch a show I've heard was _awful_ get ripped apart, every single word from 21:16 to 21:54 was an absolute bombshell of surprizes. I think I had to watch that tiny segment over four times before I could move past it. and then the whole "extremeness" section hit me like a train full of neutron stars, not to mention the shock induced by the single sentence going over all the fucking rape that went on. what kind of plot from *H E L L* is this show?

[@jenneacoleman-cubero2365]

The whole series is like the Altamont concert. A well-intentioned matter set to spread an important message, only to fail so dangerously hard when it could've been avoided. Meanwhile, what did all the sex, drugs and rock & roll have to do with the court case?

[@nateds7326]

"All the fucking fucking" needs to be a card in cards against humanity.

[@coatimundi69]

"youre an actual nerd arent you" being played over billie eilish really really is just the epitome of 13 reasons why

[@cfrds1998]

I cannot believe they exploited school shootings and THEN made the inciting incident for the shooting a kid jizzing his pants on a movie date.... I am floored.

[@deathbychocolatecake9633]

I’ve been waiting for this since last May

[@lovelyhatter]

If everyone's acting went as hard as Mr.Porter this season could have been good, even great. All of his scenes are incredible.

[@pumpkins922]

you saying "absurd" is the cutest thing ever

[@reonawright8005]

One thing, Yes schizophrenia is a very serious condition and if you feel you have it, speak to a psych/counselor, but you don’t have to be institutionalized for it. Some people do and are institutionalized. Others don’t, they can get by with therapy, or medication. You’d be surprised how many people with schizophrenia like going out, and them being out in the world making friends and being productive is much more helpful then them being in a mental institution. -From someone with family members with schizophrenia.

[@gabrieleelizabeth6521]

You explained all of my anger towards this show so thoroughly FINALLY someone understands the problem with 13RW

[@shego4130]

thank you for this. I have an extremely difficult time trusting any show that attempts to portray mental illness because despite their best efforts, nothing will ever be able to imitate what a real disorder feels like and it hurts me to know people exploit these narratives to make cute instagram edits and fanfiction. I have no respect for any creator who waters down real life, severe issues because they know it is a profitable market.