The Exhausting End of 13 REASONS WHY (Season 4)

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[@nopatiencejoe6376]

What the hell? A highscooler dying of HIV/Aids like the disease is as fast as freaking stage 4 lung cancer? The writers didn't even try

[@lpsloveandgame6046]

Sometimes it is quick, but yeah this is a stretch Be we knew they weren't trying when a dude who shot himself in the head survived and started limping

[@cheycheyfriend247]

@@lpsloveandgame6046 some people have survived gunshots to the head

[@jenny2971]

@@cheycheyfriend247 yeah but they have a 97-99% mortality rate. the likelihood of him surviving is very very low.

[@xrrgr]

Joanna P it is unlikely, but these things happen still. not defending 13 reasons why though

[@Monique.Marceline]

Yeah, it takes about ten years for HIV to progress to AIDS, and life expectancy is on average one to two years after that. So unless Justin was sharing needles or having unprotected sex at the age of six, I call bullshit on this storyline. But even so, he didn’t exhibit any symptoms until like RIGHT before he dies, and his symptoms were nowhere near as horrific and bad as they actually are when you have end-stage AIDS. My main gripes are how badly and inaccurately they portray HIV/AIDS and how they totally lost the opportunity to show how being HIV+ isn’t a death sentence in the 21st century. They just went for the shock factor.

[@disgruntledcashier503]

This season has an annoying habit where when they want to humanize an awful character, they make them gay. Oh, Monty sodomized Tyler with a wooden broomstick? He's gay! Look at him dance with Winston one last time. Oh, Alex threw a crippled Bryce into the water and watched him drown then got away with it? He's bi! Dating Charlie and everything. Oh, this Aryan-looking cop turned Liberty High into a police state, bugged everyone's phone, and made the student body think they were all gonna die in a school shooting? He's got a black husband! He's not such a bad guy. Meanwhile, in the Valentines and Prom Dance scene, about 98% of the couples in the background look like they're opposite sex.

[@vaibh4vi]

exactly .. and what about wlw ..

[@jana-rs8fg]

litteraly like it's a whole pattern

[@msandrews87]

Whoa that is sooo true!

[@wayne909]

Thank you

[@kpunicorn0919]

and then the one lesbian defended a rapist and basically left the cast after the second season and also never had any love interest just a no homo moment with hannah. the home of phobia.....

[@lxix5968]

They try so hard to make gay characters and portray that “It’s ok to be gay” and then makes every gay character kiss every guy they’re friends with. Totally unrealistic.

[@raulm4534]

What's worse is that a lot of the gay stuff in this show is related to something horrible.

[@shirashows5661]

Why do we Need an gay charakters in every god damn netflix show anyway?

[@gumption582]

Shira Shows i think it’s good to have Lgbt+ characters, for representation, just not the way they portray them. Being gay is now a personality and a character for these shows and the issue lies with the improper portrayal of the Lgbt+ community.

[@chloe-bq5zw]

Shira Shows Why do we need straight characters in every show?

[@romantic_hippie]

Or there's a convenient new gay guy for them to date

[@damienscott6561]

For me, the most unbelievable aspect of the show was that we suppose to believe that all main characters are "friends": they almost don't talk or spend time with each other outside of shitty situations and only thing that really connects them is being part of a murder cover up.

[@candace8697]

not to mention they all treat each other like shit most of the time... they're either miserable as fuck or fighting each other

[@Fletchayabetcha]

Its the most shitty friend group on Netflix

[@__D10S__]

I think it's probably similar to the friendships made during war. Apparently, those bonds are really strong because they've been through so much shit together

[@okcx3682]

Trauma and pain is the strongest connection between people in my experience

[@Maria-hw1uq]

"friends" but Zach is an absolute wreck the whole season and none of them (but Alex) gives a shit, just because he doesn't want to be a part of their stupid plans. Their "friend" got in a car accident, was about to rape a drunk girl and all they could say was "do better"... yeah they're pretty close huh

[@MechMK1]

I'm really let down by my own time in high school. Nobody died, people didn't go to prison, nobody blew up a car or do any of the stupid shit shown in the show.

[@honeyyb]

I lost a friend (which is not exciting it sucks) and a classmate, both to car accidents. And a few people spent some time in jail but not prison.

[@athenajaxon2397]

High school is very boring

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@honeyyb I'm sorry

[@Scarz3ny]

You should come to England pal lol

[@Apple-qo3uw]

@@Scarz3ny yeah, we had a bunch of students get arrested for selling drugs

[@leosanerd3912]

I hope some film student remakes this show from the perspective of a normal teenager going to school with these buffoons

[@Xehanort10]

And the normal teen goes "What's wrong with all these lunatics?"

[@rogve5868]

That would be awesome!

[@sashahoney_]

is ur pfp the one and only Christian borle

[@cheesecakelasagna]

I imagine like Bo Burnham's film, 8th Grade.

[@qwertyqwerty-jy9fc]

1. +1 fuck yeah 2. CHRISTIAN BORLE CHRISTIAN BORLE

[@jessxo4363]

I don’t understand why seemed to make all the male characters sex offenders? Like I understand Bryce’s character highlighting rape and sexual assault, but why did they make Clay admit wanting to have sex with a passed out girl? And why did they have a scene where Zach nearly raped an-almost-passed-out escort? It just seemed so unnecessary and weird....

[@missconstruct6968]

I mean the show ends with ghost Bryce and ghost Monty at the graduation hi-fiving so I guess the writers just really like awful people 😂

[@TheOnlyHollywood1]

@@missconstruct6968 I guess the writers are into that shit

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

It's disgusting how they trivialize it as an everyday occurrence that men do. YES! It CAN be, but the men are not punished. "Do better" like wtf what the f

[@sarahcicle8592]

And I bet they had 0 female sexual assulters

[@blahblahgdp]

@@missconstruct6968 lmao bro wtf

[@katarinat326]

I couldn't help but cringe when he was talking to his therapist about seeing the passed out girl and thinking about s*x with her. That whole scene was way out of character for Clay and after that episode I decided it wasnt worth the watch anymore

[@xrrgr]

Exactly, it was hella out of character and then they just never mentioned it again?? lmfaoo

[@Slyfrik]

They did the same shit with Zack when he was about to have sex with a drunken woman. I guess they are trying to say all men are rapist or something lmao

[@RykerJones28]

Well done for getting that far. I didnt make it through the first episode. I decided I was too old to get it until I seen gen Zers having the same criticisms as me.

[@madgeisizzles]

@@RykerJones28 I made it 3 minutes in to the first episode of season 4 and thought the same thing 😅 "...............yeah I can't do this" lmao

[@cerebratt2752]

It was a big wtf moment, and then it was completely dropped.

[@emmaoof3335]

fun fact: it actually takes multiple years for HIV to progress into AIDs :)

[@soffiansofreati8699]

Also if you on medication it will never progress to AIDS..

[@GreatBooker]

I’m so amazed by their profound ignorance. Like...you can just google this stuff. Obviously it would be better to you know actually talk to people living with HIV, but if they weren’t gonna put effort in they could still pull google up on their phone

[@gp2671]

I just hate the fact that the writers used HIV and AIDS as a way to kill off a character. People with HIV and AIDS are real people and this is disrespectful to them. If the writers let Justin live with HIV (not giving him AIDS) and used this as a way to promote getting tested more often and safer sex practices, it would have been more meaningful. It could have been a good way of eliminating the stigma of being diagnosed with HIV or AIDS. But since they ran out of time, they did not even bother to research facts about HIV and AIDS.

[@mind_dweller]

@Luke Szweziuk They took the 1990s revival too far.

[@justinmopavich3685]

@@soffiansofreati8699 never are you serious ugh I can't even respond to this idiotic comment. DO ONE GOOGLE SEARCH WTF

[@hareemqureshi822]

Clay really just bombed a car and walked in slow motion as the car exploded.

[@henrydupree8412]

"The IRA wants to know your location"

[@wangdouglas3918]

Now that's privilege

[@chickenfox6272]

Cool guys don't look at explosions

[@99oildrops]

Apperently Clay watched Breaking Bad too many times.

[@gerardcollins80]

@@henrydupree8412 Ha 😀

[@user-yo8by6go5j]

Clay Jensen: 🤮🤮🤮 Dylan Minnette, singer and guitarist of Wallows: 🥰✨😍😘🥵💞

[@vanessabutera4385]

That's a fact.

[@WingItMan217]

Agreed

[@heyhello6624]

Absolutely

[@Uhohlisa]

Nope they’re bad

[@heyhello6624]

@@Uhohlisa each to their own

[@dancergirl3337]

The idea that Winston would care AT ALL about what happened to Monty is so absurd to me. Like, Monty literally committed a hate crime against him. I don’t think he’d be forgiving him (let alone being “in love” with him) anytime soon.

[@misssteak1290]

Ikr!!! Winston only hooked up with him for like 7 minutes. Why the hell is he so obsessed about finding out the truth? If i hooked up with a guy whom i later found out to be a complete dirtbag, i wouldn't give a rat's ass about what happened to him in prison.

[@gagliardigrooves]

and also like it doesn't change anything like Monty was in prison for raping Tyler not for killing Bryce and he was killed for being a rapist so like finding the truth doesn't change or fix or bring justice for anyone.

[@ryancarson6962]

Veronica Gagliardi Yes Monty was a bastard, trust me you won’t see me arguing that point, but that still doesn’t make what Clay and company did *okay* in the slightest. They still protected a murderer by pinning it on someone who didn’t even commit the crime, still lied to the cops, ultimately corrupting the investigation process by giving them false information, and they all do this for Alex despite him previously being willing to let Clay take the fall for him just so he will be in the clear. The idea that what they did is fine because the victims of their actions were assholes who deserve it seems counterintuitive to the whole plot of the show. Were we not supposed do things like protecting our friends when they commit a crime? Wasn’t that the whole reason why Bryce’s inner circle were wrong for protecting him to save their hides? Tell me, would Bryce’s rapes be justified then if his victims were assholes? I think we both know the answer to that question, NO. If Bryce should’ve been exposed then so should Alex. It’s wrong to cover up for criminals, even if they’re your friends, when they commit a crime, no matter how horrible the victim of the crime might be, that doesn’t make their actions any less wrong.

[@bruisedviolets]

Miss Steak i feel like winston cared so much was because he saw the soft side of monty, and was with him that night, which is why i think he wanted to uncover the truth

[@drewster3168]

could be a form of stockohlm syndrome they are trying to portray. idk though

[@isiletsgetbusy]

if Clay was Black he would've been killed 9 times in this season

[@user-oq2eh1fo2s]

I sense no lie.

[@diorgetsbuckets129]

Ong

[@Eris_Norregard]

Agree. I can't believe he was pointing gun at people so many times and never had to face any consequences. -_- Btw why do you write "black" with a capital B?

[@Jp-do9ny]

Another, normie. White people are killed by cops at the highest rate.

[@lightingrod5907]

That’s what i be saying

[@ryanleon288]

i dont get why the show kept going since the whole point of the "13 reasons why" was,,, why hannah killed herself. like why.

[@trinaq]

Totally, it would have been a more compelling one off mini series, and anything after that was just pointless filler. 🙄

[@LuisLopez-ub4pp]

You're an actual nerd, arent you?

[@user-fv1qg3et1c]

i guess now we need the spin off called '13 reasons why 13 reasons why kept going"

[@larux6124]

Because of *moneeyyy*!

[@idaluicatcher1835]

yeah like i really didnt get it when it went for season 2

[@trinaq]

Season 1: A little problematic and controversial, but decent one off mini series. Season 2: Not wholly necessary, but alright conclusion. Season 3: Wait, when did this show become "Riverdale 2.0"? Season 4: WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON WITH THIS SHOW ANYMORE?! 🤯

[@phisograph]

I'd go to say that Riverdale is more likeable than this show. At least it always makes me laugh with all the stuff that goes down in Riverdale

[@makaio0138]

I thought it was better than the last two forsure, at least 3 100% that was awful

[@dutchvanderlinde346]

Yeah if I’m being honest I didn’t think season 1 was extremely terrible, like the other seasons. Season 3 is legit the worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life.

[@drakenfist]

I would say that season 3 and 4 is more like Degrassi meets the later seasons of One Tree Hill when that show becomes Dallas 3.0.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

Actually, season 1 and 2 were extremely problematic on the account that they raised teen suicide. What's worse is, they literally brought a specialist on the show, and still went against them. This show is just pure evil tbh.

[@jsimone6632]

Hearing Clay say secrets so many times gave me brain damage

[@swisdom9117]

and 'shit's tough' when anyone asks how anyone else is doing

[@GatoSanDad]

@@swisdom9117 the cringest line for me was when he compared FUCKING HIGHSCHOOL to a "warzone" like bitch? Tf?!

[@Xehanort10]

@@GatoSanDad And actually said "We live in a society." This is not the time for Joker memes Clay.

[@cason3547]

Lowkey sad 13 reasons why is over bc I can’t look forward to Taylor or other KZbinrs videos dipping it to shreds :/

[@trinaq]

Agreed, I'll definitely miss Taylor ripping this show to shreds every season! 😊❤️

[@qdominika7253]

I'm waiting for pmi commentary

[@HeatherHolt]

Dipping lol 😂 I think that’s a cute auto correct there

[@autocorrect3055]

Heather Holt Oh my~ 🥴

[@HeatherHolt]

Auto Correct LOL what are the chances 😀

[@kaissa3798]

“like a beyond burger who’s secret ingredient is beef”

[@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655]

I read this as i heard him say it cool

[@CPSPD]

beyond actually buy real beef to taste test which is stupid as fuck and means it kinda is the secret ingredient lol

[@dilwitchspahlin4761]

@CPSPD nope, that’s not how ingredients work

[@Graycata]

@@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655 me too!

[@worldsendvalentine207]

that aged poorly

[@trinaq]

On the subject of Justin's storyline, it might have been more effective had they shown him contracting AIDS symptoms earlier than they did. Not to mention that it takes up to ten years to die from AIDS, not after a few years. It seems to be only inserted for shock value alone. The message seems to be "Everyone can learn from their mistakes, except for Justin, who dies from his", after becoming a better person.

[@gracelinhthuy]

He should’ve died from a drug overdose tbh. It would’ve made his drug addiction realistic for the first time in his character arc

[@representationmetaphorique]

Honestly yeah. We are so lucky that treatment for HIV and AIDS has advanced that most ppl with HIV who live in countries with access to medication live perfectly healthy lives. It makes zero sense how Justin progressed that quickly. It shows how careless the makers of this show are. Someone on twitter said the storyline set conversations about AIDS 30 years back and well that’s a little dramatic I have to agree

[@lonemotheomatshaba9640]

Netflix's greatest show everybody

[@ApplesauceCatIsABoss]

Right, and also most everyone else faces zero consequences for many mistakes they make while putting in absolutely zero effort to make up for them, while they purposefully have Justin spending over half the show working past that part of his life and improving himself just to say “nvm fuck you” at the last second

[@yumekojabami233]

It was so random too like he was fine the whole time. It felt almost like the writers sat down and said look guys we didnt do any big twists this season the story gets more boring and repetitive how bout we kill justin off Ok but how does he die in a car crash No, oh remember that we made him a drug addict Uhh yeah How bout he dies from late stage aids because he shared needles Omg thats brilliant thats why u are the head writer jack thats our man Or how else am i supposed to imagine how that conversation went

[@alessandra00]

I’m surprised that people don’t talk about the shooting episode more. They could have provided some important social commentary about how traumatizing it is and what the recovery process is like. Instead Diego starts yelling about how he wants to be a hero which actually puts his team at greater risk of being found by the shooter, and he even challenges Justin to risk his life if he really loves Jessica. So when he does, and they start making out, the shooting doesn’t become a traumatic event, it becomes a romantic backdrop to their love story. No one knew it was a drill at the time so the fact that everyone’s still so focused on their social lives rather than survival at that moment is kind of concerning.

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

Glee and American Horror Story both had great school shooting episodes that, to me, set the standard for how to portray such an event. I have huge issues with both shows overall, but their school shooting scenes were really well done. 13 Reasons Why's school shooting episode doesn't hold a candle to Glee and AHS's, for all the reasons that you stated and more.

[@xrrgr]

I actually disagree. I think the shooting episode was really well done, but you’re right. Diego’s and Justin‘s actions were stupid and quite unrealistic, but I don’t feel it overshadowed the rest of the episode.

[@alex_n215]

elrapido5150 // i agree with AHS but the glee one was weird due to the fact that they all had their ringers on while trying to text their parents. that was extremely stupid to me.

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

@@alex_n215 That was really dumb, I'll give you that.

[@patrickkelmer6290]

Is it just me, or were the Bryce and Monty halucinations unintentionally funny?

[@Xehanort10]

All the show's hallucinations are unintentionally funny because instead of them being images in Clay's traumatised mind the show treats them like actual supernatural ghosts haunting him.

[@99oildrops]

@@Xehanort10 I laughed myself near to death when bugs came out of Bryce's mouth when Jessica was in the woods. 🤣 That was painfully cheesy.

[@nikoandroman]

I laughed so hard with the hallucinations. They cracked me up. When Monty just tackles Clay on the prison, and when Bryce just starts spewing bugs, lmao it was too funny.

[@nikoandroman]

@@99oildrops Lmao I also laughed so hard with that lol

[@scifience8297]

This show treats social problems the way that Kaitlin Jenner Pepsi ad does: hinting at it for clout alone

[@heyya2482]

Its kendall😂😂😂😂

[@piosociety3586]

Imagine using the crying laughing emoji unironicly

[@hi-rw4nl]

@@piosociety3586 imagine being bugged about emojis

[@frogfrog8882]

Stacy Winchester imagine being bugged about someone being bugged by emojis

[@petyro6808]

@@frogfrog8882 imagine being bugged about someone being bugged by someone being bugged by emojis

[@Jp_-dd1rl]

He really just spent 45 minutes saying “imagine how tired we are” and I couldn’t agree more👏👏👏

[@squidstortellini7131]

Yo nice pfp

[@Jp_-dd1rl]

@@squidstortellini7131 periodt you too, I see you are a person of taste

[@alydanvers]

I'm glad you shouted out Charlie. He was easily one of the best parts about this season. Amongst a bunch of miserable, awful characters, it was refreshing to have a seemingly well adjusted, generally positive, and supportive character. Edit: Wow a couple years have gone by and I just now saw how many people liked this comment. Glad people agree.

[@GatoSanDad]

I love him soo much lmao

[@gamernerdcd9706]

Gotta give Tyler's character development throughout the four seasons some credit though.

[@nikoandroman]

@@gamernerdcd9706 Yep, Tyler was great too.

[@hellozukohere6514]

Charlie was amazing this season. He was the sweetest person with his 'cookies'. Only thing about the show I miss.

[@mohammedyahya5838]

Maybe it's just my memory but, who the fuck was Charlie again? I genuinely cannot remember him

[@lunab541]

I kinda feel bad for Dylan Minnette because he puts a lot into his performance and in a better show Clay's arc could be very meaningful and heartbreaking.

[@nekusakura6748]

Hopefully he goes on to Bigger and Better things after this.

[@thenbhdenthusiast3699]

Neku Sakura yeah. his acting is way too good for this show

[@WyattKittle]

@@thenbhdenthusiast3699 dude was the worst actor on the show, what do you mean??? he makes one face constantly

[@RetroIsaac]

@@WyattKittle i mean have you seen what he has to work with? It's pretty rough dude.

[@WyattKittle]

@@RetroIsaac that’s true, but he does worse than others in the show. there’s a definite lack of effort on his part as well, i don’t think he’s just incapable

[@madisonmcdowell4071]

I was so upset about Justin. I liked what they did with his development and his relationship with Clay. I know that everyone can't have a happy ending, but I wanted Justin to have one.

[@adnan2050]

The killed Justin just to make this season somewhat memorable. HIV takes 10-20 years to develop to aids and then another 2 years to die if you don’t take no medication. It was a cheap gimmick to add shock value

[@laurellee1435]

Well it did a good job of showing he can act at least. But they can't do redemption properly. They kill someone or make them gay. Despite trying to run around saying death isn't the answer. Lol

[@nmhctm]

Justin, who tries his best to turn his life around. With his dark past, they should have at least given a bit of light to him.

[@bethlehemshekanena7365]

When everyone just started seeing ghosts????????? Also, Jessica sticking her had in that log was diabolical

[@moonlightriverra6019]

I looked away in that part it was disgusting 🤢

[@biancaellis3337]

Lol I’m weak😂 Alex threw up and said bitch I’m out 😂

[@chocolatechips.]

@@biancaellis3337 I watch that scene so many times and laughed my butt off 😂

[@Xehanort10]

Hayley Joel Osment: I see dead people. 13 Reasons Why cast: Big deal kid. That happens to us all the time.

[@ludwigvonkoopa4998]

The more i think About it, the more i'm Thinking that they aren't Just hallucination but ACTUAL Ghost who are having fun with messing with them

[@SmartSmears]

I dont really understand how this show could have continued after Season 1 based on the plot

[@whatthehellisthis]

also the source material was a single book so it didn’t really make sense to continue it further

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

$$$$$

[@_Christina_n]

DarkSusanoo007 fr they claimed the show was to ✨spread awareness✨ but seeing how they continued after season 1 just shows they’re money hungry

[@maximusrusso8758]

Season 2 was ok. After that it went downhill fast.

[@sweatyalbama8663]

they shouldve stopped after season 2

[@EvWuzhere]

Me *sees title* me: They should have stopped after the first season

[@trinaq]

Exactly, but they wanted to cash in when they realized how popular the first season was. 💵💰

[@Lauren_210]

I agree. The show after season one is beyond what the premise of the show (and the original book) was even about. Why is it still called 13 Reasons Why?

[@SK-zi8ff]

Trina Q they should’ve stopped after season 2

[@klystron2010]

They should have stopped before the first season.

[@Nel_Annette]

I thought they DID! I was shocked to see people talking about a season 4!

[@RastaGamesful]

I was waiting for this video more than season 4.

[@JohnnyNuelo]

Literally I don’t even watch them anymore

[@macdaddy3803]

Same, this and the inevitable adum and pals track

[@castielabloodwings6301]

Literally me to, I was checking the channel all the time and I rewatched the other 3 videos lol

[@apollotbl]

Why... Why am I this comment?

[@adriangarza6841]

SAME

[@seabunnie1218]

i love how in 13rw the fights are shown as these dramatic events with the crowds gasping when in reality everyone would be recording and laughing and cheering and chanting "fight!" over and over again lol

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Legit unless someone has had their head bashed in its all just funny

[@Sheamuscz]

Well, that's sort of what happened in S01E06 where Alex fought Monty, but yeah, you're right.

[@Electroporcupine]

I honestly had no idea this show ended weeks ago and I'm so proud of everyone for not even really acknowledging it.

[@sanjomona]

We are all too embarrassed to even tell people we saw it in the first place

[@andyseinfeld1954]

Justin: *gets a good character development* *dies* Alex: *kills Bryce* im gay so its all ok now *gets a boyfriend and happy ending*

[@enriquesanchez9016]

Let's not forget that the actor playing Justin is gay in real life, so HIM having AIDS out of all characters is... a choice. But yeah with Alex it was complete bullshit.

[@canadiankazz]

"and then there are secrets you don't know about" WOW, SECRETS YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT?! Maybe that's why they're called 'secrets?'

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

🤣🤣🤣

[@dominicdingess7140]

Has anyone figured that Clay's decaying mental state probably has a lot to do with the fact that the kid never sleeps? He spends damn near every school night sneaking out to investigate or get into shit. Seriously, what is Liberty High at this point? It seems like the writers decided that what the characters went through in season 1 wasn't enough. They have to see every single issue that kids today face, all at the same time. The graduates practically deserve a medal. They went to class a few times, and survived bullying, fighting, almost killing or actually killing each other, a serial r*pist, multiple criminal conspiracies and cover ups, hard drug usage, school shooting, sleep deprivation, and shitty parenting.

[@faithmedlock8671]

Not to mention Justin couldve very easily recovered from aids. He was only diagnosed with it days before he died, and even so with modern medicine it's not common for you to die of HIV especially at his age

[@GAshoneybear]

Didn't the Jensens know he was a sex worker when he was homeless? I would think they would have gotten him tested which would have revealed he had HIV so he could be treated. In other words, Justin's death was 100% avoidable.

[@domcamerci7690]

AIDS and HIV it's not the same thing. AIDS is the end.

[@mimi-xx]

@@GAshoneybear the Jensens knew he was homeless, but not that he was a sex worker - im pretty sure he only told Jessica in s3, and then the Jensen's found out when Justin was in the hospital.

[@remytherat2929]

@@mimi-xx idk i remember clay being shocked and looking at his parents like "you knew!". so they probably knew about it before he was hospitalized and didnt get him tested, which isnt surprising given they suck at parenting.

[@saurabhbanik7811]

And let's not forget that a IV heroin addict would have been tested regardless of him being sexually exploited.

[@looney1023]

There is ONE (1) regard in which 13 Reasons Why actually kept improving. As it became less self important and more of a crappy teen drama, it stopped inciting real, vulnerable viewers to end their lives. The series has clearly gotten worse and worse, but it's also stopped killing real people, so maybe that means it's actually gotten better and better and has become what it was always supposed to be: a harmless, overly melodramatic, young adult teen drama that takes itself way too seriously but says nothing about the teenage experience.

[@candace8697]

no...the way it takes on real world issues like school shootings, mental illness, sexual assault IS harmful to young audiences bc it dramatizes and romanticizes these subjects

[@Bama489]

Ok so which one is it. Who has died because of the series? Is there some articles abt that, I’d like to see. I agree that the series is terrible but for I dont think it romanticizes for example rape for teenagers. Yes it depicts it in a dramatic way but nah i dont think anyone thinks rape is cool or anything else it isn’t

[@marlou.w]

pinskupansku After season one, there were a lot of teenagers who left recordings or tapes even, and killed themselfes. Just google it

[@Corridor3000]

​@@Bama489according to the National Institute of Health, "The Netflix show “13 Reasons Why” was associated with a 28.9% increase in suicide rates among U.S. youth ages 10-17 in the month (April 2017) following the shows release, after accounting for ongoing trends in suicide rates, according to a study published today in Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry."

[@lisyoubeengone]

This show has gotten so bat shit insane I forgot the whole Jeff accident and the hashtag that went around because of it during the first season.

[@sasha-dt5vk]

what was the jeff accident? i can’t remember

[@lor0707]

Jeff died in a car accident because Sherrie knocked over a stop sign, right? TRW is insane....

[@yusufamir968]

We see how the show about the reasons for the suicide of one girl turned into a cheap criminal soap Opera about rapists. I would have finished at least on season 2. At least it has some finality. (if you cut out the moment with Tyler) After all, at the time of the 2nd season of the show was somehow connected to Hannah, and now I watched next 2 seasons... Saga about "Bryce Walker"

[@sydnitheromantictaylor112]

They definitely should've ended it at season 2 (omitting what happened to Tyler). Or at least made season 3 about everyone recovering from their trauma and moving on and then ending it instead of the Bryce and Monty death.

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@sydnitheromantictaylor112 a third season and maybe fourth season about a school dealing with a school shooting would've made much more sense and kept in line with the first two seasons

[@islandboy4445]

He's a COWBOY cyborg. Cowboy. A regular cyborg would be testicular. My phone autocorrected "ridiculous" to "testicular". I'm leaving it.

[@charisleighmusic]

Perfect.

[@21lizra]

I need a 13 reasons why movie. But it's a teen slasher with the remaining kids.

[@mysaria7641]

Yess then they can all die

[@Xehanort10]

In the camping episode it should have turned out they were at Camp Crystal Lake and Jason stomps out of the woods and murders all of them.

[@jwillwilliams885]

Lol

[@oliviav.3565]

@@Xehanort10 😂😂😂

[@julelune]

I'm just happy that Dylan Minette can finally move on and not waste his acting talent anymore

[@jordankarl6463]

Justin’s death was just so this season could have its “gacha” moment. His death made me more mad than sad tbh it didn’t serve the story at all.

[@lancevance2186]

R.I.P. "You're an actual nerd, aren't you?" (c) Hannah Baker (2017-2020)

[@sagetemitope]

that hairdo and beard is killer, looks like quarantine is treating you right

[@kathrynolsen1256]

He looks like a George Lucas cosplayer.

[@Aleachan999]

It's so clear that they sidelined Ani because the backlash against her character that happened last season. She's far from a good character and I didn't like her, but I feel really sorry for the actress. Sge was hit the most by the backlash and what Netflix did is basically validate shitty fans and their opinions.

[@nekusakura6748]

Grace Saif deserves a better role to show off her talent that's for sure...

[@SkolneyVikings]

She got the same treatment as Rose Tico in The Rise of Skywalker.

[@jackleg6143]

She could’ve been a great character until they had her hook up with Bryce multiple times knowing that he was a repeat rapist and trying to brush it off as “we were just two kids in a house alone.” Like it just felt no where in character for her since she was smart and made the dumbest decision

[@alwynsmit3546]

Shitty fans? Well, that's what you get when you decide in S3 to take everything that was good about the show & throw it out the window & then create a character that wasn't necessary & have that character played by someone who can't act

[@brondermody3409]

It's actually so horrible that just because the writers couldn't be bothered to write her a better story arc/dialogue, the actress basically got punished for it. I think she quit social media bc of the harassment she got :/

[@13wailingfrogs95]

I think if they wanted to cover so many topics (rape, suicide, prejudice, school shootings, etc) they should have done different stories. Like the suicide/bullying could have been Hannah Baker, and school shootings could have been a completely different school. Like every season changed schools, no reoccurring characters. Kinda like Black Mirror, except full seasons instead of episodes

[@jiannav5979]

i dont think jeff was ever mentioned after season 1? like did they just forget about him?

[@rogve5868]

Sheri too

[@jiannav5979]

emi i think sheri was in season 2 for a little? but after that they completely forgot she existed lol

[@getinmyvan7682]

@@jiannav5979 yeah sheri literally just vanished even though she was apart of the tapes lol. marcus and courtney also kind of vanished and so did the girl who burned the photos. IK marcus and courtney graduated, but they never mentioned it and just kinda got written off lol.

[@jiannav5979]

Get in my van i completely forgot about marcus. where did he go. why does this show just forget about its characters

[@cc-cc1dc]

Well they mentioned that they lost 3 students at the graduation. So I guess that’s Hannah, Justin, and Jeff. But technically they lost Bryce and Monty too. So that doesn’t make sense...

[@GabesEdtiz]

Let’s face it, we ALL knew this was coming

[@trinaq]

Yep, I was excited, as I knew that a Taylor analysis video would be coming up shortly! 😁

[@GabesEdtiz]

Trina Q I always love his vids on Filmmaking

[@cc-cc1dc]

Things that didn’t make sense to me about this season: The funeral not being consistent in every episode Zach going off the deep in for no particular reason? And did not get better? He knew he didn’t kill Bryce...so why? Alex was the one that killed Bryce and he BARELY had any scenes of him feeling guilt over that. It mainly focuses on his relationships and figuring out he’s gay. Like why make him the killer if he doesn’t even care? The random moments of clay hallucinating things that didn’t happen. Why is he the one freaking out? He didn’t do anything to Bryce. Why is he the one going crazy making himself look even worse? Making Tyler look suspicious for no reason? Entire episodes with random things going on like a camping trip and parties? Making clay and Zach seem like they have rapist tendencies? Killing off Justin for literally no reason and so quickly just so the other characters mad about Monty’s death would back off leading to 0 consequences and threats for nothing? The crazy wreck just to lead to minor bruises and no cops involved? The gun dealer guy shooting at nobody? Bringing Monty’s sister into the picture none other than a date for Tyler? It’s like the writers just called riverdale and was like hey give us writing advice?

[@lizaharris5930]

his hallucinations were too creepy and bizarre for me. I stopped mid episode 3.

[@17millionpercocetplease61]

We only had to watch the show. Zack was LIVING in it. His spiral into oblivion makes a lot more sense when you look at it like that

[@yumekojabami233]

Also why kill monty and bryce if they gonna bring them back as ghosts that haunt only clay? I mean sure they were pieces of shit but why kill them if u keep on using them why not just let them live and be like ok they are in prison now and clay is paranoid because he thinks they will some day come free and hunt him or something why not do that instead of killing them off. Also what doesnt make sense to me is monty was like a day in prison and the writers are like well …we cant use him anymore apperantly so how about we dont show how he dies but we write a story around it how he died in prison. By an inmate killing him or something like wtf ? At least make it make sense why go through the effort to put him in prison when u would kill him off anyways . And lastly for the love of god , how do these writers view males ? Especially athletes because they literally created a whole club for the athletes to take some pictures of girls and then blackmail them into having sex with them ? It was like watching a show written by hardcore feminists that scream all men are bad and they rape. Like i know the show is to spread awarness but aside from tonys boyfriend there was no sane person on this show. Tbh i felt bad for monty a bit because of the thing with his dad , and im so mad that the writers decided to make him this asshole that had to feel like he needs to prove himself and make him rape tyler with the broomstick (which was the most disturbing scene ever , not even hannahs suicide was that disturbing than that) like he had some sort of potential to be somewhat of a good character now that bryce was gone , but no remember all men are bad and rapists Fucking stupid

[@frenchmacarons7723]

Being so early kind of sucks since I only have like 10 comments to read smh

[@appleslover]

Now 11

[@iciajay6891]

I replied so you can go read new ones.

[@cresoma]

Make that 108

[@horses529]

Basically they turned it into Riverdale

[@lor0707]

Where were the three musical episodes though?

[@alex_n215]

lor0707 // deleted scenes

[@bleachisgoodforurhealth9946]

At least riverdale doesn't try to make us feel bad about rapists

[@trulytobi6464]

They're both awful shows, and the worst shows on television this decade but i think 13RW is tad bit worse than Riverdale.

[@veronica5819]

Both are equally bonkers and batshit insane in terms of plot, but the difference is that Riverdale doesn’t claim to be this profound statement show about mental health so the cringe is honestly more acceptable.

[@calmlcism]

Can someone talk about how they brought back characters in the last episode that we completely forgot about? Then it reminded me that so many characters from season 1 were dropped.

[@TomRenti]

omg I know this comment is a year old BUT SAME I FREAKED OUT LIKE WHY THE FUCK

[@owenwexler7214]

Clay does like 10 things that would ruin a regular person’s life permanently in this season. It gets to the point of being ridiculous.

[@makiokio]

The Bryce, Monty and Hannah “ghosts” annoyed me at first but, as someone with MADD, I’ve warmed up to the concept. To those who don’t know, MADD stands for “maladaptive daydreaming disorder”, a disorder where patients who have it will spend several minutes, sometimes even hours in an extremely vivid paracosm (imaginary world) while pacing, driving, listening to music or even jumping around, anything stimulating really to feel more in the zone while daydreaming. Now I’m not saying that Clay definitely has that disorder, but it’s common for people with MADD to feel attached to paras (aka characters in their paracosm) to the point of having full conversations with them or even preferring those exchanges over interactions with real people. Some people even become addicted to their daydreams, and will slip into one without even trying. Now if you combine that with psychosis, which Clay DEFINITELY has, and it makes a lot of sense why the “ghosts” would be popping up more randomly but especially more during stressful times, like a school shooter drill for example. Clay even says that he’s just “imagining what they would say” back to him when he’s “talking” to them. I doubt that the writers actually put that much thought into it though so this isn’t like a theory that Clay canonically has MADD or anything like that. However, if they had written the ghost scenes with Clay having MADD in mind, I feel like that would’ve changed how they presented it and it would’ve made a lot more sense. It would just fit with the story in general seeing that Clay isn’t the best with social interactions and lives his life as if he’s the protagonist in a movie. Not to mention that other characters have daydreams throughout the series too.

[@KateSynd]

also, I haven't found anyone who's ripped Hulu's Looking for Alaska to shreds and I'm hoping that's coming in the future, cheers

[@trinaq]

Me too, I didn't mind that adaptation, but I'd be interested to see what Taylor has to say about it. 😊🤔

[@edsterrock]

Looking For Alaska mini series is fantastic. I thought it was great. It was way better then the book and 13 Reasons. And this coming from someone who was a huge fan of the novel back in high school.

[@beths876]

i actually kinda liked that one, lfa was my favourite book when i was 13 so coming back to it all these years later was kinda nice. obviously it has some troubling ideas but on the whole i really connected with it

[@flawedsanity]

I actually thought it was done quite well. Nowhere near how 13RW was.

[@KateSynd]

@@edsterrock def better than the book but still had some wack manic pixie dream girl tropes that, albeit were in the source material, really should've died a long time ago

[@michaelduke8521]

Good thing Outer Banks is here to take over the Cringe of the Year award lol

[@michaelduke8521]

"John B, did you just yeet over that fence?" HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

[@kennyb1588]

Imo still a better show than 13rw 😂😂

[@gsungud]

I'm surprised that Zac's mom never showed up in the series, going crazy with her son for not going to college.

[@vaibh4vi]

these high schoolers looking nearly 30 makes me want to rip my eyes out

[@GatoSanDad]

Monty looks so FUCKING OLD

[@alex_n215]

Cody // hes 33 and zach is 30 💀

[@sanjomona]

Yall know Tony is in hes 30s too

[@GatoSanDad]

@@alex_n215 Zach doesn't look as old lol but yeah I know lol

[@GatoSanDad]

@@sanjomona actually he 29

[@kendall3355]

as I was watching this season all I could think was "*scoff* I can't wait to see what Taylor has to say about this" I have never clicked so fast 👁👄👁

[@msandrews87]

Same!!!

[@iithewaterhashira]

samee

[@s.stasiaa]

THANK YOU for pointing out how it makes no sense that the jocks were blaming Monty's death on Clay and his friends when Monty was already killed in prison for being a rapist! No one ever pointed that out in the show or in any videos on the show I've seen. That plotline really annoyed me throughout the season.

[@StrawberrygirlAnna]

Yes! That also made me so confused that I even started to think that maybe the main characters had something to do with his death 😂 like Justin asked Seth for a favor at the very end of the last season, so I was like... maybe it’s connected? But in the end, we didn’t find that out, so I’ve just given up and moved on 😂

[@misssteak1290]

Justin was the only good thing that happened in the show. THEY KILLED OFF THE ONLY GOOD THING THAT HAPPENED IN THAT SHOW.

[@dimplemaini]

Miss Steak clay was better but they ruined him with time

[@njyawndra8609]

Eh I mean he wasn't as bad as some other characters but you can't say he was the only good thing.

[@sagarsaxena6318]

For a show where even the first season was wobbly,I am surprised that they were callous enough to have 4 seasons!

[@canyouwhenyourdrunk]

This is what happens when Netflix has to much money. They can throw it at any old shit.

[@Watsuda]

23:55 This part frustrated me so much when I was watching it. I was like, "...what??" after that scene ended. How the hell does that make any sense. Zach literally states that the police told him Bryce didn't die from being beaten up in the same SENTENCE as when he said he knows he didn't kill him. What kind of weird statement is "If you know that you didn't kill him, then you must know who did" anyway? Do I know who the Zodiac killer is just because I know it's not me?

[@blueyellowandgreen]

It reminded me of American Horror Story, like how every season is different but season 4 every episode was different. Also, Clay being pointed out that he did all the crimes he was "trying" to solve is straight up ripped off from American Horror Story: Hotel, in which the detective realizes he was the murderer the whole time. Ugh

[@user-ph5yi7nb3m]

ahs is an anthology series tho so it's intentionally different, whereas 13rw is supposed to have one narrative throughout the whole show so it's just down to inconsistent writing. the narrative with not remembering hallucinations has also been used in several movies like Fight Club and Donnie Darko

[@blueyellowandgreen]

@@user-ph5yi7nb3m yes. I was just saying how Clay was trying to figure out who did the crimes and ot turned out to be him all along reminded me of AHS hotel. I'm not saying 13rw is good,, but rather extremely unoriginal when it tried to be edgy and scary

[@user-ph5yi7nb3m]

@@blueyellowandgreen I agree with u on that. I only watched season 1 bc it was so over hyped and had 0 interest in watching the other seasons bc the writing is very bad

[@blueyellowandgreen]

@@user-ph5yi7nb3m indeed it is, I hate watched it and the whole time I was excited to see what Taylor would say XD

[@alex_n215]

Jason Green // it probably isn’t but most people nowadays know AHS more than any other show, especially this generation.

[@Monique.Marceline]

Re: Tyler - As if any real department could use an actual minor as an undercover informant for arms dealers lmao

[@brianford4914]

When Bryce said he won in episode 10 I was agreeing with him. After he dies he basically has this power over the people he hurt more than when he was alive. He's still looked at like he is in some way a good person. The show basically said "you can be a rapist but if you die you'll be seen as a good person in people's hearts and you'll still have power over people who you hurt."

[@beths876]

i'm so glad this video is 44 minutes long, cannot wait

[@dead_yami]

I expected the insane car crash to be a world changing event. I assumed the next episode was a flashback. But nope nothing matters

[@wuraolaolagunju]

That high school should be buried in lawsuits!😂

[@Rieky22]

Should’ve been shut down

[@empac8631]

Can we please discuss the poorly done, embarrassing effects of Tony’s head just being pasted onto his opponents body looking ridiculous? “I’m going to go do coke in the washroom, WOO!” - Zack

[@jarjarjacobs]

It’s really stunning how often they set stuff up just to never mention it again

[@hareemqureshi822]

This show is that guest that just won't take the hint and go home

[@iciajay6891]

What a train wreck. Hope it is used in the future on how not to screen write.

[@Keychain696]

Us: What inspired you to write this season? The Writers: The deadline...

[@stanislausklim7794]

Money

[@boppinboyz]

It’s absolutely outrageous that Clay and Zach got into a MAJOR car accident that should’ve killed them , but in season 1 Jeff died by a minor accident . Ridiculous. Clay spray paints the school, breaks security cameras , takes a cop gun and starts swinging around at everyone, blows up the principals car , escapes the mental hospital, and go inside a police station saying he has a fake gun, and he gets 0 consequences! Wtf!! White privilege. There was so many scenes that led to NOWHERE . What happened after in the scene when Clay Tony, and Tyler was in the alley way when the cops pulled up? Was everybody going to ignore that Zach was about to rape a hooker? This season was fucking trash and a waste of my time 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@yourlocalarchaeologist1897]

This shows been a waste of time

[@SamaritanPrime]

That's not even white privilege at that point. It's gone so far past that point that it's up to some utterly ridiculous plot armor.

[@Ledgic-TM]

White privilege doesn’t exist, this show is just retarded, and that’s just an example of plot armor

[@remytherat2929]

@@SamaritanPrime its white privilege to a degree because if a black kid took that cops gun or blew up that car or came in the dance covered in blood or said he had a gun in the police station, the story would turn out way different

[@user-rr8wu8ik7e]

deez nuts yes because u obviously kno the future and I right face ass

[@laynecinder661]

He's exhausted, she's exhausted, I'm Squidward, you're Squidward, he, she, me, we wumbo.

[@thomasdapig6974]

I think the worst part of the season is clay flipping zacks car over off a cliff going like 80 and both are fine the next episode

[@superwildejellyfish]

The best way to describe this show is by the quote 3 characters from a ♾x better show say: “Don’t fetishise your own sadness”.

[@stacey1464]

bojack horseman tackles mental health infinite times better than 13rw! love that show

[@superwildejellyfish]

stacey Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s an objective fact.

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

@@stacey1464for sure

[@KateSynd]

I've been waiting for this video THE DAY szn 4 came out

[@capfitted]

Right

[@sal636]

For real!!!

[@TheLostAge]

Can I just say that your hair is glorious?

[@nathanerickson8708]

I loved the first season because of the directions it took outside of the book. While it followed it pretty faithfully, it also added a lot of depth to the characters and the impact Hannah made on everyone named in the tapes. Readers only saw Clay’s POV so whenever a character was mentioned in a tape, readers never intimately got to know them besides what Hannah said of them or Clay’s feelings about them. I was glad they did a season two because it left the question of “What if the school was held liable by the death of Hannah for not helping her?” I know many people that said that season 2 wasn’t as good as season 1 but I thought it was a great closure for the characters accepting what the tapes did to them. If the show wrapped it up in season 2, I would have felt closure with the story of Hannah. But they left it open ended for season 3 which revolved around a character that didn’t need to be in the spotlight. I thought Tyler was going to be the main focus and he wasn’t. There was some foreshadowing in season 4 but all they did was make him look like a villain even though he hasn’t done anything worse than what Clay has been doing in season 4 and Clay gets rewarded with prom and a speech at graduation? Thats bull. Season 3 and 4 clearly favor to Clay even though there were many interesting characters and their storylines that could have been restored. Hell, I came up with a better plot for season 4: to tie in the “13” motif of the show, Hannah’s mom could have sent Clay a list Hannah made of “13 things to do before graduation.” Each episode centered around Clay and the group honoring Hannah during their senior year while also tying loose ends from their craggy relationships. Each task they do, brings them closer. Now THAT would have been an interesting ending to the show. Something light hearted, not so serious, yet still close out the show. I kind of want this season to be remade like the many fans of “Game of Thrones” wanted a different season 8.

[@astonvilla8064]

"an unironic version of the 9/11 musical from skins" My god, genius!

[@blondebats85]

i thought i was losing my mind all season seeing people trying "avenge" monty's death. monty was in jail for what he did to tyler and his death has nothing to do with bryce! finally someone said it!

[@succulentboi676]

12:00 “I tried to find the climax but there isn’t one” story of my sex life

[@alex_n215]

that’s a quality pfp

[@IvyWolk]

the tone changed entirely from season 1. i was rewatching stuff from the first season and couldn’t believe it was the same show. season 1 wasn’t perfect but it had heart and humor. season 4 is a supernatural thriller. they fumbled the ball so hard

[@jonahbelprez5711]

Best line of the season: “Im gonna go do COKE.... true story” -Zach

[@gunslinger7513]

You know, I'm glad that this show ended. Netflix didn't do what the CW actually does for their shows. (renew them for 10+ seasons for no reason) No matter how ambiguous the 4th season was, it at least completes everything. For example, I liked the death of Justin and the epilogue. Everything else was boring, shitty, and awful.

[@cultrate5022]

It’s been a fun ride Taylor. Here we say goodbye to the most anticipated YT series.

[@famco_inc737]

I stopped watching when I learned they were humanizing Bryce. Glad to know i didn't miss anything worthy!

[@stanislausklim7794]

It's weird. Season 3, they're redeeming him, but season 4, he's basically a POS.

[@gamingundead3581]

A big issue I had with this season in particular is, mis-steps aside most of the characters seem somewhat like actual characters. But then they bring in Winston who is a LITERAL Bond villain. He has no character traits except REVENGE. And even has the completely out there clothing choices to back up his super villain motif.

[@Loffeleif]

I look forward to Adum & Pals suffering through this.

[@thattaht]

Has YMS confirmed anything? I feel like they wouldn't do it after their painful experience with the third season.

[@tuckpoint0]

I think Adum will if only because he has a pretty obvious pain fetish

[@Azcarate98]

I'm specially looking forward to their reactions towards the cyborg Bryce scene

[@marieking5969]

I’ve been waiting so long for this, my body is ready.

[@mirandaruano67]

The best part of of 13 Reasons Why is getting these videos trashing it

[@user-garnet]

This feels like a really bad fan fiction. I mean, barely any consequences for huge events, terrible characterisation,

[@kool2btrue]

What bothered me about this series is how Bryce and Monty were set up as monsters that deserved the full weight of the law, but Alex just made a simple mistake of MURDERING someone and he should be redeemed. The moral compass of all the characters was thrown out of whack with this inconsistency.

[@beeseif]

What they did to Justin was so dirty. He was the only good character with an actual good arc of overcoming addiction and trauma and becoming a better person just to kill him off, proving the writers didn't care about characters or themes or any type of hope, only sensationalism and cheap shock value.

[@nekusakura6748]

That and Wasting Talented actors...

[@emilymcguire8404]

This man’s facial hair is absolutely *fabulous*

[@mariareyes129]

......ok but can we get a skin care routine tho????