[13] Roman Hartung, Der8auer, Thermal Grizzly, HWBot

[@TechTechPotato]

[00:00] Intro [00:47] Describe Yourself [04:19] How it Started [06:08] Best Scores or Events [07:35] Liquid Helium Overclocking [10:00] Mentors and Legends [12:23] Reasons for OC Today [13:25] Sponsored Overclockers [16:09] Personal System [17:51] AMD's Return to Competitiveness [18:56] Industry Interest [20:11] Request for more info [21:27] Pay More Attention [23:55] Are You a Shill [25:53] Avoiding a Mind Set [27:57] High Hopes for Intel GPUs [29:11] What To Look For with Intel GPUs [30:39] What Does Intel Do To Succeed? [31:24] Intel GPU OC Performance [33:39] The Future of CPU OC [35:29] Buying 500 CPUs [36:06] Sub-zero on GPUs vs CPUs [40:30] 100% CPU OC [41:07] The Future of Roman [42:22] Vendor Job Offers [45:08] Content vs Comments [51:00] ENG vs GER [53:07] Employee Expansion [55:17] Trends in KZbin Viewership [56:52] Niche vs Growth [59:19] Events as a KZbinr [1:03:10] Future Content [1:04:16] Advice for Future Romans [1:07:50] Cat Tax Subscribe to Roman @der8auer @der8auer EN : German: kzbin.info English: kzbin.info/door/GsaijjOJshS2_ZmMNZgS-g

[@emagotis]

Interesting seeing to tech guys speaking about youtubing. It really shows in all this tech you could loose sight on the human engineering and creating it.

[@Luckyn00bOC]

TWO of my favorite person here? FIRST!

[@TechTechPotato]

You're next Alva 🤪

[@stuartlunsford7556]

I know right???

[@albrecht3432]

@@TechTechPotato Not sure you can make him smile Ian :p

[@TheSmileyTek]

Der8auer is one of my favorite YT "techies".

[@_strtol]

Glad to see you two bury the hatchet. Great video! I think the relationship could be very mutually beneficial going forward.

[@RobBCactive]

Mentioning it without explanation just served to make me more curious about that, than the interview.

[@call_me_stan5887]

@@RobBCactive right? Same here.

[@RobBCactive]

@@call_me_stan5887 All I found was some over reaction to criticism of AVX512 coverage video in Alder Lake in a Twitter skirmish, which according to rumour Intel are now removing, rather than saying it's unvalidated. Left me wondering why they mentioned it

[@call_me_stan5887]

@@RobBCactive Ah :) Thank you.

[@mylittlepwny3447]

Hwbot is a treasure! Thank you Roman!

[@Azerkeux]

I hate hearing that Roman feels pressured to deliver KZbin videos, I would not be angry for him to take breaks, even if he only posts one video a year I would still watch it, take a break if you need to we will still be here for you when/if you come back rejuvenated

[@eubikedude]

You guys are making me feel old - I had the 3D mark 99 (or somewhere around there) #1 spot at one point, Pentium at 133MHz era IIRC and that was enough with the "higher numbers" for me and I moved on to other things. 😉

[@philipp594]

This interview is amazing. You can grasp the passion you guys have for your work.

[@andrewharwood7843]

Fantastic interview. Love the content both channels produce. As a mordantly qualified engineer would love to see a collaboration where concerns about viewer engagement are irrelevant.

[@ronjatter]

What a great video. Must have been hard for Ian. Can see you two both have completely different personalities! Ian is by the book and Roman is completely the opposite. Some holding tongues at times I think. However it was great to see you both relax as the interview went on. Fantastic content.

[@dancoffey3552]

The best interview yet!

[@osgrov]

Marvellous interview, thanks to both of you for what you do. :) Ian, even though I'm about as big a fan of CPUs as you are, this type of content is your best stuff in my opinion. You are a really good interviewer and I think your guests clearly show that, usually coming through as relaxed and open. Good stuff, keep it up man!

[@ikjadoon]

The best interview so far for me: it felt so natural. Well done, Roman & Dr. Cutress.

[@saltyphil1874]

Thank you Roman, for keeping HWBOT alive!!!!!

[@getitinohio2926]

This was legit top notch quality convo

[@starwolf4109]

Great to see you guys chatting!

[@anonymouscommentator]

I enjoy watching a Der8auer video way more than lets say an LTT video. Its just way nerdier and techier, exactly what im looking for. Much love to both of you as a german viewer 😄

[@jellowiggler]

Wonderful interview/chat. It's nice to see you guys relax a bit and just hang for a minute and discuss life/tech/etc.

[@snuke2703]

I still remember the time you referenced the NDA issue in your 1 year anniversary stream mentioning a collab would never happen and I was like "You're not gonna end it there like that right?" Glad to see you guys conversing again!

[@kuenmao]

Roman's point on carving a niche is exactly how I view his channel. I watch Roman because I like the DIY engineering projects, deep dive investigations such as SEM images of transistors, or early OC explorations on new hardware. Similarly, I watch TTP because of insights from the media angle, or indepth analysis on the silicon business, or interviews with significant members of the industry. If I wanted to inform a purchasing decision, I'd be watching Paul's, GN, HUB, LTT, or many others. The reason I subscribe to der8auer and TTP is exactly because they bring something different. The same can be said about the Anandtech website. I visit there not for launch day reviews, but for indepth material. Anandtech is often infamously late on product reviews anyway, so why would I look there first? It's the unique things they do that keep me as a reader.

[@warren_r]

Great interview. I have a ton of gratitude and appreciation for the hard work and dedication Roman has put in over the years.

[@colourfulcookie]

Greetings from Germany! That was a really interesting video to watch, normally you don't get as much background on KZbin personalities

[@IamBananas007]

Thank you for hosting this great interview it's always nice to hear the behind-the-scenes for the overclocking community. At some point this piece will be a part of History,

[@Trick-Framed]

Love your liquid metal and thermal paste Roman. Thank you!

[@Roman00744]

Thank you both, awesome interview, love you both. Found Roman a year or more ago and don't think I missed a single vid since, loved the electron microscope chip testing vids, shared with my friend that works in Intel and that's exactly what he does but he told me their tools are even more accurate and with even smaller needles, he was testing Alder lake at the time. Found you trough Tech deals and love your content, watched many of your older vids and interviews but this 1 is the best because when you speak with the "oficial" interviewees I need to sieve through the 70-90% marketing\company talk to get some real info and here it was all real talk and very interesting topics. I agree with Roman best way to grow on KZbin is be yourself and do content that you like and passionate about because consciously or subconsciously people can see if you fake it. I watch many channels, some are the usual popular youtubers that every1 watches, I watch them mostly for info and could just as easily get from some other channel but most of the channels I watch regularly and engage with are the ones with unique approaches, stiles and most importantly unique people. But that's just me and I've been told I'm a bit weird so what do I know.

[@tonynaranjo2982]

A very refreshing interview, I enjoyed it, thanks

[@call_me_stan5887]

Great interview, thanks!

[@LunaticV84]

Love your interviews, Ian!

[@Gary_HTX]

A fan of both of you guys. Enjoyed the video.

[@christiansteinert6189]

Thank you Ian for the great videos and for the fantastic interview series. I really enjoy all your stuff, both the interviews, the tech content and the tech industry background stuff. Keep up the good work and I hope it's not too stressful.

[@goodiezgrigis]

As an older member of pc master race i remember the people and scandals in OC community. It is interesting to see where people end up and relationships the keep long term. Just the content we need 😌

[@abheekgulati8551]

Awesome interview, thanks so much! Class acts, both of you.

[@LawrenceTimme]

Roman adds 5000 points to all his scores on hwbot 😂

[@paulrichalland]

Great vid, both educational and entertaining. It lasted exactly the time I took to get out of my front to work, perfect !

[@salmiakki5638]

Please don't dumb down your pieces here on yt. I feel like yours is the kind of niece that came and has stuck with the channel since they enjoy the insight, the technical aspects, the interviews about the broader picture etc... Doesn't matter if I don't completely understand every word/concept (and i don't, but hey, the comment section is there) Also as Roman said, development/production details are so scarse, especially on this platform, and yours is one of the few outlets that patch the scarcity

[@FlanK3rCZ]

good interview Ian. I appreciate hard work of Roman, doing two videos is very time expensive as I believe.

[@nonsuch9301]

I'm not entirely convinced overclocking as a 'thing' has much of a future - it feels past it's peak to me. There was a time when CPU's shipped with huge engineering overheads built in and just waiting to be exploited and with a bit of effort , and basically for free, enthusiasts could access too that overhead and really boost their experience. Nowadays cpus are so aggressively binned , so they can be stratified and priced accordingly and when the engineeering overhead is pretty minimal anyway and you have to pay more just to get an overclockable chip. The whole point seems to have gone away now , people who were into it in the past probably still are , but I'm not sure the community is expandng. Time will tell i suppose.

[@trad4097]

If I understand, Roman also felt that way in this interview

[@call_me_stan5887]

The headroom for overclock is so slim nowadays, since the CPUs are already overclocking themselves to begin with and it became the norm, that I genuinely think that overclocking as a competition has no future, whatsoever.

[@AtaGunZ]

ITX scene is keeping it alive in a different way, they undervolt it like crazy and try to get the best stable clock :P

[@kozmizm]

Hey Ian. I love your channel. I want to tell you what I enjoy from your content. I like learning things. I like being exposed to someone who knows more than I do about microchips and fab. I recently got deep into hardware, just a few years ago. before that I was purely software. I am completely fascinated by hardware now. Chip fab is amazing. I even took some courses at a university to learn the basics about chip logic design. I feel like I am a junior engineer who is learning from a senior engineer. I love being mentored by someone with more experience. I love your dedication to accuracy, like with RAM speeds (which I already knew and had some strong feelings about). I agree with everything you said on that topic. I grew up with a focus on science, and later with computer science. and I believe in clearly defining things and correcting people with false notions, even if the majority of people are ignorant of the proper definition of something. I always strive to be accurate in the things I say, and to not spread misinformation or ignorance. I think you do a great job of that, too. Also, I love many of your interview episodes. I am not the kind of person who gets starstruck by Hollywood actors, but I am truly intrigued by certain people , like Jim Keller, who is still just a human, but I feel like I have a lot in common with his philosophy on everything. He obviously doesn't see himself as a God or anything. he's very humble, but he's figured out a lot of things about life (and microarchitecture). I love that you ask interesting and relevant questions to the people you interview. I have seen some people do a great job at interviewing, but I've seen some people who don't quite get it, and they ask questions that show their lack of experience. You always seem to be on point with your questions. I'm not a follower of Derbauer, I have seen a few of his videos, but I found your interview with him to be truly fascinating. I love when people can just be real and get their egos out of the way and present their experiences, so that I can learn from them. I love fresh perspectives. Anyhow, much love and respect. Keep up the great work, and please don't dumb things down. If you do, do it on a new channel please. There are more of us brainiacs with a love of technological innovation than you think. It took me a while to find you, but once I did, I knew I found a place where I belong. You're my peeps!

[@treyquattro]

great interview. Only just found out Roman is Thermal Grizzly. He's in my i9-12900 PC! So are you Ian, in spirit ;-)

[@fist003]

Salut to Roman for making 2 videos for each topic. still subbing to both channels to support him. Also to Dr Ian, you're also making an impact. Now people in KZbin are using Mega Transfers instead of Mega Hertz when talking about RAM specs.

[@L3v3LLIP]

I would love to see Roman experiment with a power 9 blackbird. Thats as open as it get today.

[@PumpkinHallowHaunts]

This is great thank you!

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

first

[@Luckyn00bOC]

aww you beat me to it :p

[@LawrenceTimme]

As always. 😃

[@kelownatechkid]

another great interview, thank you ian and roman!

[@QmeteK]

i really enjoyed that video. nice job on both sides.

[@Hostilenemy]

Hey Roman, you're one of the good ones. And you, Ian, You're alright too.

[@forthenext]

It would be great to do another video down the line, I wanted to hear more about his experience working with Lian Li, the O11 Dynamic creation process and what companies he might want to collaborate with in the future.

[@Veptis]

Oh wow, das crossover habe ich nicht direkt erwartet. Aber ich gucke mir das direkt Mal an. 6 months later still no Intel GPUs with us.

[@mordecaiepsilon]

13:25 binning is half the fun for old cheap hardware. You can get socket 775 CPUs by the bucket and go to town! but I get that Roman is referring to binning expensive new hardware that vendors and board partners only have access to.

[@soumajitghosh1954]

I love both of you. BTW, you fought over AVX512 on Alder lake. I hope it has been resolved.

[@neutechevo]

Good conversation there guys, enjoyed it.. also , a lot of years back i had the same cat as dB.. red Alley Cat (1983)

[@fzth-t7s]

Very good interview.

[@pascalvorbach6829]

That was a really interesting video! I am a long time subscriber 😁✌🏻 Greetings from germany 👋🏼

[@madf00bar15]

2 guys I love, both hard core geeks. Great Interview Ian. See if you can get Tech Jesus next!

[@mako0815]

to Roman’s point on the german viewership, I count myself as a potato and I know several others who also do (pun intended)

[@beaureddington4039]

Burying the hatchet, you love to see it:)

[@williamblake7386]

Two legends

[@manfredbans3975]

I saw the run time of 1h06 and said "Oh, to long", and then I watched it from start to end...

[@Trick-Framed]

I started with a Celeron. Got a 1ghz OC on it. My step daughter had a boyfriend that was into overclocking. Had a honey pot before it had a name. I ran a few with him and got hooked on those numbers. I held that Celeron's world record for about 12 hours. lol. Good times. That was 2000 or 2001.

[@NicoDsSBCs]

Great watch. Now I wonder what the beef was about? I'm the Belgian in-between version of Ian and Roman, but then the cheap ALDI version. I review ARM single board computers and Linux distro's for them. Today released "Armbian Linux for the Raspberry Pi 4" video. I do a lot of testing and bemchmarks. So all very relatable. One thing with benchmarks is that I don't really care about what scores best, but why it gives certain results. Thanks for keeping me busy. Greetings, NicoD

[@eugkra33]

30:32 He just gave away the launch date of Intel DG2 GPUs. Feb 2022. I don't think that was official.

[@TechTechPotato]

They've been saying 'on shelves Q1' for a while.

[@ronjatter]

I love Der8auer

[@erkinalp]

The8uilder

[@Rocman76]

Fight Fight Fight!!! awww glad it's all better 8)

[@la009895]

The German telling people to stop being emotional…. That is peak Roman. I love it.

[@sunnohh]

See Chicago drillas, if these two can patch up drillaz can stop popping opps. Glad to see the two of you together!

[@OverclockedGamingSystemsOGS]

Cool stuff!

[@aibix0001]

There is a german saying and it goes like this: "envy is the highest form of recognition", so maybe envy on german content is not so bad :-)

[@nycameleon]

Awesome shirt Commodore Potato

[@vuurdraak-]

- First of all I want to apologize both to Roman & Ian, and all the other utube channels I do not subscribe to ;') I have zero utube subscriptions, but got a billion tabs open with all the 'repeat channels' I want to visit. - That was a fun interview & I learned some new stuff, danke schön, hartelijk dank, thank you very much ;) So I now need to ask Roman to make a four way SLI helium overclock video :D - Fun to hear that the utube comments are more considered then the default forum comments, maybe it is because we see faces in the video, and can gauge you are actual human beings ;) 'thumbs-up' to the video

[@tanakaobi]

Danke Roman!

[@technologyanimals]

Yeah baby, Roman

[@Florian.K.]

53:03 yeah, I agree. Greetings from Germany 😋🤙

[@christopherjackson2157]

I find HWbot in its current configuration is fairly confusing and closed to amateurs. The rankings are as you say complicated in a way that made sense when it was new but doesnt anymore. And the sponsored participants with insane financial backing and access to parts dominate the high scores. I don't know how to fix this but that's def the user experience. Thanks for maintaining the site I enjoy it despite the issues

[@eugkra33]

16:51 FX Quad fodder? What is that? How do you spell it?

[@albrecht3432]

FX Quad Father, google that :)

[@Lightkie]

So I have some issue with Der8auer as well but just opinion-wise. I still knew I had to watch the video on a slow weekend simply because it's such a rare opportunity to get an unfiltered discussion piece, even if it's an interview with two people that are so "close to the metal" or silicon, as it may be and I really enjoyed it. Perhaps the most surprising thing was that he actually reads most of the KZbin comments and my respect for him has grown. P.S.: I guess it was a bit too awkward for you to correct him at the end when he mistook your question of how der8auer is spelled with how it's pronounced. 😅

[@MrMcGreed]

Often, I can see why people downvote a video. A 10 minute vid about a new CPU or something, I can see people liking one better than the other... but... for this, it's two enthusiasts talking about about various topics... Who is the people watching this, for an hour and 8 minutes, or at least half, and then decide to downvote... did 6 people (at the time of writing this) expect an argument over releasedates when Ian uploaded this, and wanting honestly to watch that for an hour and 8 minutes? Tl;dr: Great and interesting interview!

[@bryantallen703]

What caught my eye was the 15.2Billion transistor Kirin 9000 from Hisilicon. This SOC was released over a year and half ago and wasnthe 1st 5nm 15Billion+ transistor SOC, sorry apple. You were 2nd. Not only was the Kirin 9000 the size of a dime but the ARM Mali-G78 MP24 24 core monster is rated at 2.6Tflops FP32 and runs under 12watts. That's just insane to me.

[@XDSDDLord]

The smartest thing Roman did was diversify his income; he can take breaks from almost anything, which very few can do. If you want to copy something from Roman's life, diversify your income stream as soon as you can.

[@klyded8523]

Must have missed the feud between these two.

[@katietree4949]

Roman!! 🥰

[@GifCoDigital]

So now I need to know! What was this beef between them???????

[@v3xx3r]

I know you're reading this roman. I love you.

[@der8auer-en]

😬 thanks haha

[@willis936]

It's nuts that a conversation between two such influential tech voices of my generation only has 3500 views. I think you should consider modernizing Anandtech to integrate your video content and have the entire writing team also make video content. Most of the work is already there.

[@TechTechPotato]

AnandTech is a separate business in control of a large publisher (Future plc, FTSE 250). TTP is my personal channel.

[@willis936]

@@TechTechPotato Do the skills and contacts gained in one don't need to be kept separate from the other? I think both may benefit from video content on anandtech even with the business kept independent.

[@TechTechPotato]

I don't accept ads from anyone I write about on AnandTech. Of course there's cross over, hard not to. But over the years I've suggested stories for AnandTech that have been rejected. YT is an outlet for them now. Plus don't forget I said AnandTech is owned by a large publisher - that company has 2700 employees and almost 1B in revenue a year. The only thing they want on their websites is their own content, not promoting others or sending people off platform.

[@trad4097]

I like Anandtech let you do your personal KZbin thing

[@au343]

@@TechTechPotato but then how did the Mark Clark interview end up on both channels….or the Intel PG interview.

[@bikeomatic8005]

Why not make vendors send funds to HwBot fund that can be then used for store bought gear distribution for the participating oclockers.

[@TheDoubleBee]

Given that you put "Level1Potato" in the thumbnail of your interview with Wendell, you should have put der9otato in this one. And if you do more interviews with YT tech personalities, here are some more for you to use: Linus Potato Tips, Potatoes Nexus, Potato Unboxed.

[@TechTechPotato]

Eh, that's because with wendell it was a tech news convo, not an interview. Depends on the format

[@TheDoubleBee]

@@TechTechPotato I understand, I just wish there were more puns.

[@brianmccullough4578]

I think Dr Cutress needs to have an LN2 battle with Roman! Potato VS. Der8auer Each try to overclcok a cpu on LN2 while using a potato(s) as your only power supply, and see who can get the best cinebench scores!

[@brianmccullough4578]

Or an under clock battle!

[@Ometecuhtli]

I think it was in Stephen Hawking's "A brief history of time" but could be one of those truisms that get passed on from experience.

[@wunderlampendschinn]

Ian, you don't need a german translation :D greetings from Germany

[@theStunivurse]

My first PC was an Athlon 64 with 6800GT and 1GB of RAM, just in time for Half-Life 2.

[@plonk420]

Aquamark! \o/

[@SwordQuake2]

50:43 that's not jealousy.

[@windkithk]

53:14 I do think hiring video editor is beneficial, keep your time on your core competence (the content!) but not the tools to convey it.

[@fist003]

yeap, as the channel grow, you do need to invest in the team as well. finding the suitable editor would be beneficial to the channel, like Joe for Paul's Hardware and Phil for JayzTwoCents

[@ole7736]

But if they bought the product for 500 bucks and it was the best at that time and it still performs very well... then what is the problem. No reason to feel any buyer's remorse. It is not like betting on the wrong horse.

[@metallurgico]

Paul's Hardware lost views because he is more interested in his daughter rather than his channel. Don't get me wrong, if he wants to do that he has all the rights, but I don't care about children and I want to see cool tech videos and he does not provide them anymore. Same thing for Kyle of BitWit. When he divorced from his wife he hopped on a downward spiral.

[@marschrr]

YAY! Lets sniff some thermal paste!

[@parasecglenkwyst4835]

Unexcpected

[@sobe8991]

the evga priceless video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJi5kH2JeaqmfJY

[@fracturedlife1393]

More Bigger Number Is More Better Still.

[@lambda7652]

50:00 The difference Between the German comments and the English contemns is the difference between International audience and the only German speaking audiance. The viewers that watch or read content in in there not first language putt in general more "effort" into it, i assume they are also more open minded and have higher education compared to the average viewer that only consumes content in there first language. Also we Germans are just "verbittert"

[@t0scanelli]

I bet they talk about the "no AVX512" tweet. _Edit:_ nope they didn't.