135 - New Blitzkrieg Against a Wall of 9 Million! - WW2 - March 27, 1942

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@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
The Germans and Soviets are planning on recruiting millions of men from the home front for their armies. To get an idea of what life is actually like at home, check our out sub-series ""On the Homefront"". here's the playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLsIk0qF0R1j5Ug9lCaxygenFf3lzuGXap We also have a sub-series that looks at the darker side of the war against civilians on all sides. It's called ""War Against Humanity"" and you can check out the playlist for that here: kzbin.info/aero/PLsIk0qF0R1j4cwI-ZuDoBLxVEV3egWKoM And please read our rules of conduct before you comment, saves everyone headaches (and loads of time): community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518
@Erde_midget770
@Erde_midget770 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. Love your content.
@mehaseth9348
@mehaseth9348 3 жыл бұрын
list of puppets state in World war 2
@alanmoffat4454
@alanmoffat4454 3 жыл бұрын
JUST HOW I WAS TAUGHT HISTORY 😌 THANKS FOR THE OUTPUT .
@QuizmasterLaw
@QuizmasterLaw 3 жыл бұрын
ok MALTA is the key now what is the cipher text or plaintext?
@jonathanpowell613
@jonathanpowell613 3 жыл бұрын
*FINALLY!* The seemingly invincible Nazi juggernaut has experienced the first major chink in it's armor since the winter of 1941. Although the war seems to be going badly for the Allies, I'd still support them because it's a struggle of good vs evil.
@PitterPatter20
@PitterPatter20 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just waiting for Indy to hang up the phone with "I love you too"
@avanticurecanti9998
@avanticurecanti9998 3 жыл бұрын
Only if Hötzendorf's on the line.
@mtbicepulous
@mtbicepulous 3 жыл бұрын
Only if darth Vader calls
@alchemist6819
@alchemist6819 3 жыл бұрын
@@mtbicepulous *joker
@paulgaskins7713
@paulgaskins7713 3 жыл бұрын
That’s ridiculously funny
@kevinramsey417
@kevinramsey417 3 жыл бұрын
or "K-ROK plays all the hits from yesterday and today". I just want to know who he's on the phone with. Sparty? Winston Churchill? Joakim Broden?
@NicoSavio2395
@NicoSavio2395 3 жыл бұрын
"we don't stop until fall" "but what about Rasputitsa?" "you already had it" "we had one да, but what about second Rasputitsa?"
@poiuyt975
@poiuyt975 3 жыл бұрын
Epic crossover. :D
@camillaallegrucci1311
@camillaallegrucci1311 3 жыл бұрын
Comrade Pippin FTW.
@thethirdjegs
@thethirdjegs 3 жыл бұрын
Are you from shirefolk (fb group) too, Nico?
@dylanmcdowell3894
@dylanmcdowell3894 3 жыл бұрын
What a comment. 10/10
@peakart8850
@peakart8850 2 жыл бұрын
LORD OF THE RINGS LETS GOOO
@Gramscifreedom
@Gramscifreedom 3 жыл бұрын
My mother was born in this week of the war on March 25th 1942. She died last year from cancer. I miss you mum X
@theswampcleaner3856
@theswampcleaner3856 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss.
@fromulus
@fromulus 3 жыл бұрын
She got to live a long one, so there's that to be thankful for. Cancer took my mother as well, though she wasn't born until 54, and died in 2009. There's nothing better than a good mom.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Bless her memory, and that of all the children and the parents of the entire generation born under these difficult years. Astrid’s, Indy’s, and Spartacus’ parents were born in this age and one of them even fought in this war. It was they and their parents who began telling us the stories that are now our mission to share.
@cosmedelustrac5842
@cosmedelustrac5842 3 жыл бұрын
My condolences.
@michaellambeth
@michaellambeth 3 жыл бұрын
In two weeks, it will be twenty years since cancer took my mom. Two decades. Still hurts. Memories are more likely than not to bring smiles in the place of tears after all these years but I don’t miss her one bit less. I was lucky to be born her son. God bless Mamas. All of em. Be well, stranger. Smiles will return.
@davidsigalow7349
@davidsigalow7349 3 жыл бұрын
Luckily, the Germans did not know that, in Malta, they make very tasty beer from chestnuts. Had they known that, German paratroops would have chartered their own planes and gliders.
@casparcoaster1936
@casparcoaster1936 3 жыл бұрын
Hold my parashute (and leg bag)
@raclark2730
@raclark2730 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds tasty count me in.
@hantingliu882
@hantingliu882 3 жыл бұрын
Germans: "This beer is not Reinheitsgebot, we are got going to Malta."
@davidsigalow7349
@davidsigalow7349 3 жыл бұрын
@Jack Whacks' Often I don't even get that at my own house.
@gunman47
@gunman47 3 жыл бұрын
10:43 Interestingly, at the Battle of Toungoo on 21 March 1942, the last British cavalry charge in history takes place. Captain Arthur Sandeman, with his column of two British officers and around 100 troopers of the Burmese Frontier Force (2nd Frontier Forces), was ambushed by the Japanese. Sandeman quickly re-assembled his men after this early surprise, and led them with the battle cry "Sat Sri Akal" into a cavalry charge against the Japanese positions. However, they never reached it, as Captain Sandeman as well as all his men were literally wiped out by heavy machine-gun fire.
@MadsBoldingMusic
@MadsBoldingMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I guess that kinda explains why it was the last British cavalry charge in history.
@georget8008
@georget8008 3 жыл бұрын
I guess this Sandeman guy missed the whole WWI. This is not bravery. It's stupidity. 100 brave and trained men were wasted when they could be given the chance to fight with other tactics.
@dcbanacek2
@dcbanacek2 3 жыл бұрын
Then there's this: The final U.S. charge took place in the Philippines in January 1942, when the pistol-wielding horsemen of the 26th Cavalry Regiment temporarily scattered the Japanese. Soon after, however, the starving U.S. and Filipino soldiers were forced to eat their own horses
@greenkoopa
@greenkoopa 3 жыл бұрын
They should have waited for Steiner's counterattack
@georget8008
@georget8008 3 жыл бұрын
@@greenkoopa Fegelein! Fegelein!
@mariosvourliotakis
@mariosvourliotakis 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting how Germany already looks like theyre gonna lose with their lack of supplies and so on.I wonder how 1944 Germany is gonna look like supplies and manpower wise.
@darthcalanil5333
@darthcalanil5333 3 жыл бұрын
well supplies are never going to get any better unless they start falling backwards I suppose, but who knows^^ interestingly, the manpower actually grew from 1941 to peak in 1943. As Indi illuded to in the video, Germany only just recently started to fully mobilise the nation for the war.
@mariosvourliotakis
@mariosvourliotakis 3 жыл бұрын
@@darthcalanil5333 That is true, Im pretty sure the production of war materiel also increased in 1943 with forced labour and other things, but yeah, desperation and exhaustion awaits..
@fromulus
@fromulus 3 жыл бұрын
They become much more desperate for both over that time, eventually most at the top realize it's futile, yet they must still carry on and placate their leaders delusions.
@zainabbasi8304
@zainabbasi8304 3 жыл бұрын
I am sure they will be fine. The USSR will collapse any day now. All peoples under Soviet occupation will rise up and help the Nazis fight the soviets. It will be fine. I have a feeling this will go great for the Germans
@williamwingo4740
@williamwingo4740 3 жыл бұрын
There's a story about a traveling unit of Kraft durch Freude educating the German rural population in the mid-1930's. They're showing a Bavarian peasant a large Mercator-projection map of the world. The instructor ways: "Here are Canada, Australia, South Africa, and India; and these all belong to England. Now here's this other part of Southern Africa, this Northern part of South America, Indochina, and these islands in the Pacific; and they all belong to France. And here's Russia; and here's the United States...and this little country in the middle here, is Germany. Any questions?" The peasant thinks for a minute and says, "Has anyone told the Fuhrer?"
@zenothestoic638
@zenothestoic638 3 жыл бұрын
Getting a bachelor's degree in history twenty years ago dampened my love for the study of history, this channel has helped restore it. Best channel on youtube.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
It's really nice to hear that, we're happy to have reignited your interest in history. Make sure to stick around!
@hannahskipper2764
@hannahskipper2764 3 жыл бұрын
Russia: The Germans thought my winter was bad, let's see how they like spring. USA: *scratching head* Europe or Pacific? Ooooo, it's so hard. Britain to USA: Sorry, ole chap, it looks like we're gonna have to play nice with the Soviets.
@leonidartemiev5668
@leonidartemiev5668 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the USSR, 3 out 4 seasons there are no roads here, and in summer your engines die to dust, while you are dying to heatstroke. And there are also tens of millions of people very angry at you.
@craiglarge5925
@craiglarge5925 3 жыл бұрын
The natives are restless, ha ha ha!
@Daniel-kq4bx
@Daniel-kq4bx 3 жыл бұрын
My Great Uncle is Part of the 76 Infantry Division at Slavyansk. He just turned 20 in February. He couldn't have known that that he would only have about two months left to live. In May 1942 he stepped on a Landmine, holding on for a bit and apparently recovering according to Wehrmacht sources but he eventually succumbed to his injuries on the 15.May.
@dongately2817
@dongately2817 3 жыл бұрын
Let's see, the Germans mustered 22 divisions to replace what they've lost so far. The Soviets figure they can muster 400 divisions to replace what they've lost and keep on fighting. Something about this math makes me think that the invasion of the USSR isn't going to end well for Germany.
@darthcalanil5333
@darthcalanil5333 3 жыл бұрын
one country being in constant war mobilisation since the 30s, and the other just starting to do so, may shed some light on this.
@caryblack5985
@caryblack5985 3 жыл бұрын
@@darthcalanil5333 No it has to do with available manpower. If you have a much more populous country you naturally have more soldiers than will be available to the smaller country. The Germans had very poor intelligence on the USSR and underestimated their manpower and productive capacity. Of course the Germans expected to defeat the USSR in 12 to 16 weeks.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
The Germans graded their units according to combat effectiveness and at the start of spring 1942 they had significantly fewer first-class divisions than at the start of Barbarossa.
@auguststorm2037
@auguststorm2037 3 жыл бұрын
Germans supposed to defeat and occupy all parts of Soviet Union western of Urals by October last year so yeah, the invasion already not going well...
@darthcalanil5333
@darthcalanil5333 3 жыл бұрын
@@caryblack5985 going by population number alone ,the invading axis had more total population than the unoccupied USSR, and if you exclude axis minor, you still end up with rough population parity. The germans were doing the major fighting, but they were not alone. And regardless of all of that, Germany can still have mobilised far more effectively than they did
@kemarisite
@kemarisite 3 жыл бұрын
The nature of the Pacific makes a mockery of MacArthur's ambition to be commander in chief of the whole Pa ific theater. There was never any possibility of putting such a huge natural naval theater under MacArthur's (Army) command, even if MacArthur's abilities matched his ego.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
They just gave MacArthurr his share of playground in South West Pacific Theater to play with even if most of the heavy lifting in this theater was accomplished either by Australians in Papua New Guinea , Salamanua , Lae and New Guinea Campaigns and US Marines in Solomon Islands Campaigns.
@stephencarran7650
@stephencarran7650 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the catch, his ego was always waaaaaay bigger than his skill set.
@kemarisite
@kemarisite 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephencarran7650 I might not phrase it like that. He was reasonably competent in the previous war, as I understand it.
@lycaonpictus9662
@lycaonpictus9662 3 жыл бұрын
@@kemarisite He would have flashes of brilliance later in his career as well, even as late as the Korean War. The problem with MacArthur, gigantic ego aside, was that he was inconsistent. He could be brilliant on some occasions and decidedly less so on others. In that respect he reminds me of another American general who perhaps even surpasses MacArthur in being overrated...Stonewall Jackson.
@generalfred9426
@generalfred9426 3 жыл бұрын
@@lycaonpictus9662 The amount of people I've seen jerk off to his Shenandoah Valley Campaign and completely ignore his failings is so abysmal. I've seen people say that had Jackson been in control of the ANV they would've won the war.
@HistoryOfRevolutions
@HistoryOfRevolutions 3 жыл бұрын
"The darker the night, the brighter the stars, The deeper the grief, the closer is God!" - Fydor Dostoevsky
@chriscarlone527
@chriscarlone527 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Love Dost
@giv123
@giv123 3 жыл бұрын
Reading a lot of Dost ATM. One of the best authors ever!
@zhshsG7
@zhshsG7 3 жыл бұрын
63 thousand men lost in the first 2 years of the war fighting on like 10 different countries in Europe vs 1.5 million men lost in the first 9 months fighting the Soviets. This is amazing.
@Valdagast
@Valdagast 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the Soviets are the boss fight.
@maxgrozema1093
@maxgrozema1093 3 жыл бұрын
@@Valdagast * dark souls and soviet anthem mashup starts playing *
@emisat8970
@emisat8970 3 жыл бұрын
It's even worse because those 1,5 million lost are the cream of the German forces with most of the experience. They keep burning through their manpower pool... they may end up having to rely on the men born in the interwar years which didn't go through the conscription system. I'm sure that won't happen though -- just a little jaunt to the Caucasus and all Germany's issues will cease, right?
@lorenzodimaio6672
@lorenzodimaio6672 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the 63.000 included only the deads, the other figure counts all the losses, by the way they had been high of course, the only campaign that was close to that rate of casualties was the battle of france both for the germans and the french.
@OGGOAT23
@OGGOAT23 3 жыл бұрын
The real 2nd world war Nazi vs Soviet and everything in between. Usa lost 290k in 4 years. Russians and germans lost 300k in one battle
@gunman47
@gunman47 3 жыл бұрын
10:46 It should be noted that the 200th Division of the National Revolutionary Army (NRA) was the first mechanised division created in China, and had previously fought at the Battle of Lanfeng in 1938 during the Second Sino-Japanese War, so the fact that this division even has armoured vehicles (compared to the rest of the NRA) makes it stand out in this regard.
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 3 жыл бұрын
The big battle for the 200th was Kunlun pass in1939. They actually didn't do that well there, getting chewed up assaulting the Japanese. But, the other Chinese units were able to take advantage and the result was a major Chinese victory.
@gunman47
@gunman47 3 жыл бұрын
@@porksterbob Yes, they took really heavy losses there, but I suppose that they might have gained some valuable battle experience in the process which helped with the reorganisation and reequipping later on before the current Burma Campaign.
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 3 жыл бұрын
That whole debate about which enemy to prioritize reminds me of: “You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after they have tried everything else.” - Winston Churchill
@garretth8224
@garretth8224 3 жыл бұрын
Thats rich coming from a dude that left millions to starve from a famine, and instead of sending supplies they did nothing.
@SuperLusername
@SuperLusername 3 жыл бұрын
@@garretth8224 afaik they couldnt send supplies because all not-in-use transport capacity was tied up in preparation for Operation Overlord
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperLusername Not true. The British also forbade others from sending help.
@kempodle4665
@kempodle4665 3 жыл бұрын
porksterbob no, Churchill literally wrote a letter to the Americans begging for ships
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 3 жыл бұрын
@@kempodle4665 for the Bengal famine? No, no, he didn't
@matteoorlandi856
@matteoorlandi856 3 жыл бұрын
looking at the comment section is usual to find someone remembering his parents or grandparents that were born or even fought during this great tragedy. my grandparents were too, and they are long passed away, they exist only on a stone grave, theyr photos are rare and are loosing colors, the memory is slowly fading away. when i'll die, nobody hardly will remember them, and so all the rest of humanity... i wonder if some of the last survivors are watching this series, and if so, i would love to listen to theyr stories. because i'm sure they are absolutly worth remembering. i remember how my grandparents survived, and i'm sure everyone here can share incredibly storyes about how they survived. i'm sure, because only survivors can tell storyes, and only survivors can bear descendants. but the tens of milions perished in this great tregedy... they are just numbers now, and this is incredibly sad.
@dennishale5980
@dennishale5980 3 жыл бұрын
What a wonderfullly insightful comment! Its poignancy came close to completely overwhelming me. My deceased wife was of Soviet origin, and so I am familiar with stories like this. Mr Orlandi, thank you very much for your contribution - one with which a Tolstoy would have been pleased had he lived through the WW2 period, although not having lived through the Napoleonic invasion of 1812/13 did not seem to diminish his writing on that period.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 3 жыл бұрын
My family only had letters from my great uncle - he was buried in Tripoli in 1941.
@noahi8187
@noahi8187 3 жыл бұрын
The highlight of the morning, happy weekend peeps!
@ΚοινωνικόςΟρθολογιστής
@ΚοινωνικόςΟρθολογιστής 3 жыл бұрын
Happy Weekend too. You must be from the American continent if it's morning there now
@noahi8187
@noahi8187 3 жыл бұрын
@@ΚοινωνικόςΟρθολογιστής Yeah I am, it is around 11 here.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
@@ΚοινωνικόςΟρθολογιστής Yep, this is a Saturday morning tradition for us Yanks :)
@ΚοινωνικόςΟρθολογιστής
@ΚοινωνικόςΟρθολογιστής 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 I got it guys. For us European boys it's more like an afternoon Saturday tradition.
@CatnicImprover
@CatnicImprover 3 жыл бұрын
It's great to see more about Malta! I've read a few books about the siege of Malta including Malta Convoy by Shankland and Hunter (which mentions my great grandfather who was killed on an the SS Ohio during Operation Pedestal) and I understand the importance of Malta to the war, but I think seeing it play our in real time will put it into perspective. Thank you so much for producing these videos!
@darthcalanil5333
@darthcalanil5333 3 жыл бұрын
re: people commenting on the red army 9 million number: it's not like said 9 million were lined up in front of the germans. the 9 million number was the overall projection of the available growth for the red army over the next few years. It doesn't tell you, however, the actual manpower on the frontlines actually engaged (most of the time achieving parity with the axis or outnumbering them slightly at this point). Interestingly, Germany could also have fielded such a huge army had it started mobilising before or when the war started, and yet still by the end of the war the Wehrmacht is estimated to have employed about 15-18 million people! At the end of the day, numbers on papers don't matter that much when you can't actually put guns and bullets in the soldiers' hands (aka Logistics). And as we've seen since the start of this series, the Soviets, as well as the Germans, were themselves NOT wizards of logistics.
@spqr1945
@spqr1945 3 жыл бұрын
Military logistics is a very complicated topic, eventually the side with more resources win. Soviets produced a lot of trucks before war, and now they mobilized them into army. Soviet economy already under heavy central control is perfectly suited for wartime.
@darthcalanil5333
@darthcalanil5333 3 жыл бұрын
@@spqr1945 not sure where you brought the trucks from since the utter majority arrived from lend-lease, but that aside yeah, the soviets were planing a war economy (or lack of) since the 30s.
@spqr1945
@spqr1945 3 жыл бұрын
@@darthcalanil5333 in 1937 USSR produced 180 000 trucks, and even more in other prewar years. In the beginning of 1945 only 30% of trucks in army were American and British trucks. American trucks of course were superior in terms of offroad and capacity, but still most trucks in the army soviets produced themselves.
@richardstephens5570
@richardstephens5570 3 жыл бұрын
@@spqr1945 That 30% is still a big number, the U.S. supplied the Soviets with over 400,000 trucks and vehicles.
@spqr1945
@spqr1945 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardstephens5570 I agree, this is s big number, and considering soviets produced mostly light trucks, American trucks with bigger load capacity made up to 50% of freight delivery. At the same time time soviets could produce more trucks, but as a trade of they would have reduce a number of tanks and aircrafts.
@connordevereaux759
@connordevereaux759 3 жыл бұрын
Good video Indy. I like history it's why I watch your channel. Greetings from 🇮🇪 Ireland 🇮🇪
@peteroneill5426
@peteroneill5426 3 жыл бұрын
Good to see a fellow Irishman!
@FlyingDwarfzz
@FlyingDwarfzz 3 жыл бұрын
Man, every time McArthur shows up on screen or gets a mention as being on Australian soil, i get a little bit angry. The way he treated the Australians under his command - completely undercutting like every single achievement Australian troops would make - leading from Melbourne and not anywhere close to the front, yet selling himself as doing so by his crony press corps, and knowing some of the thing that man did in WW1 and would try to do in the Korean War. Heck, even at this point, his whole "I will Return!" Like anyone cares, mate, you've left thousands of men behind - they dont need you, they need an army! Tall Poppy, he is. Id like to think that, if Australia had any other options, we would have cut him down.
@rags417
@rags417 3 жыл бұрын
Ken oaf !
@RandomStuff-he7lu
@RandomStuff-he7lu 3 жыл бұрын
He also took credit for what Eichelberger, the US commander in New Guinea, did, making it seem like he'd gone to New Guinea to take over from him. After the war Eichelberger said that because of what MacArthur did most Americans were unaware that New Guinea was mostly an Australian battle.
@ab-lymphocite5464
@ab-lymphocite5464 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he is a lot less popular now then he was immediately after the war
@nicolasbroaddus8819
@nicolasbroaddus8819 3 жыл бұрын
Really this WW2 play by play really shows what a contemptible buffoon MacArthur was. And he still thinks hes should be in charge of everything after all these fuck ups!
@spudskie3907
@spudskie3907 3 жыл бұрын
MacArthur (and possibly Admiral Halsey) is the most overrated American commander of the war. When Wainwright was presented the Medal of Honor, he told President Truman that he thought he was going to be court-martialed. Truman responded, “You’re not the one I want to court-martial.” I’m guessing he meant Mac.
@randomguy-tg7ok
@randomguy-tg7ok 3 жыл бұрын
Chiang: I'm worried you lot will leave the remnants of my elites to be destroyed by the Japanese Allies: No we won't Allies (Leaves the 200th to be destroyed)
@nicolasbroaddus8819
@nicolasbroaddus8819 3 жыл бұрын
Allied leaders: wHy DoeSn’T cHinA tRuSt tHe wEsT?
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 3 жыл бұрын
Not entirely true. The 200th should never have been as far south as toungoo. Chiang kai shek and the British wanted to fortify just south of Mandalay, some 200 km further north. This would buy time for the rest of the Chinese divisions to arrive and for Britain and China to sort out their communications and plans. It was Stilwell who bullied Chiang kai shek and the British into adopting a forward defense. When the forward defense crumbled on the British side, they ran and abandoned the Chinese. But the basic problem was the initial plan which put the British and the Chinese too close to the Japanese and too far from each other.
@LTSarcasm
@LTSarcasm 3 жыл бұрын
@@porksterbob It was Stillwell's doing? Color me shocked, SHOCKED... Well, not that shocked. Guy was a clown.
@tams805
@tams805 3 жыл бұрын
Ultimately, they were still under Chiang's command and he agreed to do as Stilwell commanded. Yet he had Slim who would have backed him up if he had not wanted to move the 200th so far south.
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 3 жыл бұрын
@@tams805 But Slim couldn't back him. Wavell was in command and at the equivalent level. Slim didn't have operational command, yet.
@jasonmussett2129
@jasonmussett2129 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoying this series. With the Allies controlling 80% of the world's resources, one could argue that Germany and Japan were on a losing streak from the start, but as they say, hindsight is a wonderful thing! Also with the constant bickering between the Americans and the British over strategies and objectives (something which seems to be constantly omitted from WW2 historiography ) one could also argue that it IS a miracle the Allies got as far as they did operationally. King was never a fan of the British and wanted the U.S. to concentrate more on the Pacific and many debate whether or not Stalin would have negotiated with Hitler to end the conflict in the East but one can understand why Roosevelt and Churchill sought to keep the Soviets in the war. I've learned new things from watching this series, it would seem, as a Second World War historian, I still have much to learn. Good stuff.
@gianniverschueren870
@gianniverschueren870 3 жыл бұрын
Very old-school tie. Quite muted compared to what we've gotten used to. Still a solid neckpiece though. 2.5/5
@camillaallegrucci1311
@camillaallegrucci1311 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, it lacks the sparkle.
@firingallcylinders2949
@firingallcylinders2949 3 жыл бұрын
I look forward to this every Saturday morning
@grasslonghorsestrong7544
@grasslonghorsestrong7544 3 жыл бұрын
200th Division General Tai and his men, set a good example, were willing to fight (even die) with honor, Chinese people should remember you.Salute to you all. 🇹🇼subscriber from Taiwan
@hantingliu882
@hantingliu882 3 жыл бұрын
oh yes he is remembered. 戴安澜将军千古
@skinnex3236
@skinnex3236 3 жыл бұрын
Around this time my granddad was transferd to the eastern front as an MG Operator He said " sometimes we couldnt relode fast enough, we had no idea there were THAT MANY Russians. They managed to overrun our position wich was supported by two mg34 because we werent able to shot them fast enough"
@railyardpro.3651
@railyardpro.3651 Жыл бұрын
I think this is the only time he's actually said bye instead of just hanging up
@joshfish2
@joshfish2 3 жыл бұрын
One thing of interest you missed as well: Japan occupied the Andaman and Nicobar Islands (or at least the capital, Port Blair) on March 23rd this week. They are an important strategic area, even today, near the border between the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean, and were likely the first areas, and few areas of India Japan would come to occupy
@american-professor
@american-professor 3 жыл бұрын
I missed the entire WWI timeline, but I have finally caught up with these ones.
@ekmalsukarno2302
@ekmalsukarno2302 3 жыл бұрын
World War Two, can you please make a video on Claire Lee Chennault and the Flying Tigers. Thank you very much.
@jasondouglas6755
@jasondouglas6755 3 жыл бұрын
I vote yes on this one
@muhammadhazim1936
@muhammadhazim1936 3 жыл бұрын
I consider this video as my birthday present😂...this is the best birthday ever for me. I'm turning 18 today
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 3 жыл бұрын
Happy Bday bro👍
@bandikappen
@bandikappen 3 жыл бұрын
Happy birthday!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Happy Birthday!
@Wawrzon161
@Wawrzon161 3 жыл бұрын
Happy Birthday
@muhammadhazim1936
@muhammadhazim1936 3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo OOMMGGG!!! THANK YOU SOOO MUCH
@cobbler9113
@cobbler9113 3 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile some British Commando's are off on their belated holiday to Brittany...
@Tinderchaff
@Tinderchaff 3 жыл бұрын
Some of course in motor boats and yet others in a rather odd looking ship, at least by allied standards. Perhaps we may hear of them, I'd give them till about midday tomorrow. Risky to give them that long, I know, but I'm a bit of a gambler ;).
@Ronald98
@Ronald98 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tinderchaff context pls
@hallamhal
@hallamhal 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ronald98 Operation Chariot, I think
@Tinderchaff
@Tinderchaff 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ronald98 Operation Chariot it is, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nazaire_Raid. HMS Campbeltown, formerly USS Buchanan, was modified to look like a Mowe class Torpedo boat, which was German.
@Ronald98
@Ronald98 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tinderchaff ohhhh... thanks
@aaronjohnson718
@aaronjohnson718 3 жыл бұрын
This must be the best if not tied in 1st place for the best of any wwii documentary ever
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@matthewg.305
@matthewg.305 3 жыл бұрын
I really like that the flags move positions throughout the episode.
@Jarod-vg9wq
@Jarod-vg9wq 3 жыл бұрын
My grandparents on my dads side served in the RCAF in this war, they were a wireless transmitter and a weather monitors both had to made sure the weather was safe enough for plans to fly. Bless them
@stephanieperry1119
@stephanieperry1119 3 жыл бұрын
Could do a show about the Seebee's? It should talk about the start of them, their operations, what Rates the Seebees had, and what Rate would the Surveyors have been counted under.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they'll do a special episode about them eventually. Probably later in the war, like '43 or '44 when the American island-hopping campaign gets underway.
@VRichardsn
@VRichardsn 3 жыл бұрын
13:03 An real, no fake, 100% authentic T-35 in the field. What a rare sight!
@PeterFisher-le8fy
@PeterFisher-le8fy 3 жыл бұрын
he is the best. A modern informed outlook with a sense of humour where possible. Love to have a beer with him.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Well, when you're in Stockholm, give me a shout! / Indy
@chronus4421
@chronus4421 3 жыл бұрын
I very much enjoy the opening phone calls. ""No winter coats?! But its cold!" Best one yet
@Valdagast
@Valdagast 3 жыл бұрын
So they've kicked in the door. When is the rotten structure coming down?
@Perkelenaattori
@Perkelenaattori 3 жыл бұрын
May 8th 1945.
@Davey-Boyd
@Davey-Boyd 3 жыл бұрын
I think they kicked the door and stubbed their toe instead
@interestingengineering291
@interestingengineering291 3 жыл бұрын
You really need to check for poking out nails before you hurt your feet with a kick in the door
@nicolasheung441
@nicolasheung441 3 жыл бұрын
It is coming down alright, with the might and fury of the people.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
It seems to be glued together with mud. Lots and lots of mud.
@raynabozny6309
@raynabozny6309 3 жыл бұрын
“March 27, 1942.” A simple statement that jolts me into a realization of the complexity and grind of history. People wax nostalgic for “the good old days” because they know the outcome and conceptualize the past in easy to understand and simple ways. But “March 27, 1942” should bring fresh perspective. Slogging through a global conflict 24/7 for 6 years does not sound simple to me. I’d much rather exist in the present than at anytime in the past.
@kajani6181
@kajani6181 3 жыл бұрын
I found this episode as very significant when you realize the numerous implications brought up in just a single week (or at least Indy's related discussion points).
@kevinramsey417
@kevinramsey417 3 жыл бұрын
This is only partially relevant to the video but imagine being a German officer during these offenses. You're on duty during a quiet early spring night and all of a sudden on the wind you hear FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL IN SILENCE, CAST THEIR SPELLS EXPLOSIVE VIOLENCE.....
@daviddura1172
@daviddura1172 3 жыл бұрын
found this channel today.....as a WWII history geek absolutely love this....great job!!!!!!!
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks David, glad you found us!
@slim12345
@slim12345 2 жыл бұрын
Superbly presented and thought provoking, thank you to all the team.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын
@Jeremy Herd Thanks very much! Everything we do is made possible by our fantastic community so if you would like to help us keep improving consider supporting us at timeghost.tv
@ellsworth1956
@ellsworth1956 3 жыл бұрын
My Great Uncle was in the Merchant Marine during WW2 and ran supplies into Malta.
@thisnicklldo
@thisnicklldo 3 жыл бұрын
Frightening job. Do you know how many trips he had to make (one would be enough to make him a hero, as far as I am concerned)?
@ellsworth1956
@ellsworth1956 3 жыл бұрын
@@thisnicklldo it was a long time ago when I was much younger when I listen to his stores. I think he made several runs. I do remember him telling about when the Italians tried bombing the convoys. The bombers were bombing from high altitude and their aim was lousy. It was early in the War before Normandy as his only son was severely wounded in the Battle of St Lo. Sadly the son died some 8 months later back in the USA. My Grand Uncle and his wife were at their son's side.
@AunknownMan
@AunknownMan 3 жыл бұрын
The USSR for the Allies was literally „the enemy of my enemy is my friend“.
@SergeantAradir
@SergeantAradir 3 жыл бұрын
Btw: The german war-industry is still not fully working on a 3-shift-system, similarly still a lot of men insted of women work in the industry. German efficiency my ass :D
@darthcalanil5333
@darthcalanil5333 3 жыл бұрын
germany going on a total war without totally mobilising for total war, and then they're surprised when they find the soviets mobilising years before them.
@seneca983
@seneca983 3 жыл бұрын
I guess they mobilized for a lightning war.
@samsykes308
@samsykes308 3 жыл бұрын
Yea they didn't plan for a prolonged war. The Germans thought they could use Blitzkrieg to race across to Moscow and deliver a knockout blow in the east as they had done in France. Even if they had used a 3 shift system with women working factories their shortness of manpower would have been far too much to fight a long war against the USSR who had much more manpower. A quick KO was their only hope to defeat the soviets hence why they did so.
@brutalhistory5682
@brutalhistory5682 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode! Thanks for spreading history. So many dont understand the importance of knowing where we came from and where we don't want to make some of the same mistakes of the past.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
We're glad you enjoyed the episode Spencer! It's really great to read comments like this.
@a_dreamer8612
@a_dreamer8612 3 жыл бұрын
It's almost April 9th, Known in the Philippines as the Day of Valor or Bataan Day. Which also happens to be my birthday.
@paulthiessen6467
@paulthiessen6467 3 жыл бұрын
I live in the Canadian prairie, so similar conditions to Russia. During this time of year it freezes pretty hard most nights. I wonder if they ever tried to restrict transport to night and early morning, when the mud is frozen?
@emisat8970
@emisat8970 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the engines couldn't take the temperature. There's stories of pilots, drivers etc having to set fires under their machines' engines to make sure they worked later on.
@randallthomas5207
@randallthomas5207 3 жыл бұрын
Night movement would require lights, which can be seen for miles in the air.
@paulthiessen6467
@paulthiessen6467 3 жыл бұрын
@@emisat8970 that’s on the cold of deep winter. Not -5 to -10c of late winter/early spring.
@paulthiessen6467
@paulthiessen6467 3 жыл бұрын
@@randallthomas5207 well, those guys stuck in the mud are pretty east targets too. And if you want to find them, follow the trail.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in Minnesota, so similar climate, and I get what you're saying. But this kind of mud wouldn't freeze up just from one night of cold weather. When it's churned up a meter deep and very wet you might get a bit of crust on the top, but it's not going to support the weight of vehicles driving over it. It's going to be worse this time of year too, since the top layers thaw but the frost layer underneath it prevents the water from seeping into the subsoil and makes it pool and run off across the surface.
@danmalutich9958
@danmalutich9958 3 жыл бұрын
Another great Video Indy & Team! Thank you very much!
@angelostriandos6659
@angelostriandos6659 3 жыл бұрын
I cannot imagine the weekend without WW2 and Indy !!!!
@ttun100
@ttun100 3 жыл бұрын
5:27 AW! The poor horses!
@jesuschrist872
@jesuschrist872 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Indy.
@zhshsG7
@zhshsG7 3 жыл бұрын
By the way, Indy at 15:20 or so mentions the Cuban missile crisis but instead the Suez crisis' thumbnail shows up, thought you guys should know.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Ευχαριστούμε! Θα διορθωθεί το συντομότερο δυνατόν!
@zhshsG7
@zhshsG7 3 жыл бұрын
@@WorldWarTwo Ευχαριστώ κι εγώ :)
@dday1412
@dday1412 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic research. Thank you. Also, I have studied this war for close on 30 years now and I am still surprised by it's complexity. I have in my life lead large teams on complex projects against tight deadlines and serious consequences to failure. I don't think I slept properly once during those years. So, I often wonder how these leaders had the resilience and fortitude to keep on keeping on. It's easy to look back and judge either way, but when you have been in the trenches and cannot see the future it is real scary and really exhausting.
@JoeyOnly
@JoeyOnly 3 жыл бұрын
you're the best on KZbin Indy. Inspire me every week.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@petenorton883
@petenorton883 3 жыл бұрын
"Modern war makes very strange bedfellows". I think war had always made very strange bedfellows.
@lycaonpictus9662
@lycaonpictus9662 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully Indy resurrects that quote in a few years when he has to talk about Castle Itter. US troops, French POWs, Austrian resistance members and German soldiers of the regular army "allied" and fighting the Waffen S.S. Easily one of the stranger episodes of any war and something that sounds like it must have been made up by a Hollywood script writer.
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
One of the weirdest experiences I had during the Gulf War back in 1990-91 was seeing Warsaw Pact troops walking around on our bases. Poles and Czechs that a year ago had been our "enemies" were now shopping at our PX like anyone else. I used to teach IFF classes (identification friend-or-foe) as part of our common task training and thought 'well, guess I need to throw away all my training aids now and start from scratch'. History is weird like that, long periods of peace and all of the sudden kaboom, the whole world changes in what seems like an instant.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
The Thirty Years' War started off Protestant vs. Catholic but by the end the mainly Catholic French were more or less allied to the Protestant Swedes vs. the Catholic Spanish/Hapsburgs. The Protestant Swedes fought the equally Protestant Danes etc. Balance of power.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 Also the Syrians fought their fellow Baathists in Iraq.
@Kahdeksanpenninen123
@Kahdeksanpenninen123 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. 3 Finns (they religion was Judaism) were meritit by Werhmacht iron crosses for bravery. Look John Simon Srangers in the stranger land: Finland's Jewish solders in WWII.
@weltvonalex
@weltvonalex 3 жыл бұрын
4:30 the numbers are mindboggeling
@Ttavoc
@Ttavoc 3 жыл бұрын
Malta was nearly bombed into obliteration but they never gave way. And for that they got their independence step by step after the 2nd WW. According to the guide we had during our travel there where statistically 2.8 bombs for each citizen of the small isle. Over 20.000 buildings where destroyed or damaged beyond use. Additionally 15.000 where so severly bombed that they need extensive repairs. 3000 people (citizens and soldiers) died in the months and months and months happened and ahead.
@peterbertanzetti2729
@peterbertanzetti2729 3 жыл бұрын
Folks - Great channel!! I love it!! You are my favorite KZbin channel ... keep it up!
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. It was very informative.
@glassychap1141
@glassychap1141 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know much about my family history during this time of the world, But I do know that my Grandma, (Mother Side) was living in Rio. She remembers doing air raid safety drills in which they would turn off the lights in order to prevent would be bombers from hitting their targets. She was very young when all this happened but she remembered it still. P.S. She is alive and well Love you Grandma from your Grandson :)
@qualiwave1295
@qualiwave1295 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man: I see a video from this guy, I hit like
@edmundcowan9131
@edmundcowan9131 2 жыл бұрын
Time Ghost making the impossibly complex and confusing simple and clear. Who writes this great monologue ?
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Edmund, thank you so much for watching! We have a great team of writers and they're always credited in the description. 😊 Indy writes all of his episodes.
@dtaylor10chuckufarle
@dtaylor10chuckufarle 3 жыл бұрын
Damn good points in the last three minutes, Indy! In other words: Your strict thesis is correct!
@michaelmorford3932
@michaelmorford3932 2 жыл бұрын
MacArthur should have been in Hollywood playing a General.
@xanthos1123
@xanthos1123 3 жыл бұрын
High quality episode here, even aesthetically with the changes to the maps
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@GraceMusyoka
@GraceMusyoka 3 жыл бұрын
Ooooh. Love the earthy tones of the shirt with the bold tie matching the flags behind you and it is like food for the eye. Comfort food. 5/5. Also, as always, great episode.
@DHEAS11
@DHEAS11 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this program. Although I thought I had reasonably good knowledge of Word War 2 history this week by week helped me understand the chronology much better than before. Realize what happened simultaneously o in Western Europe, on the Eastern Front and the Pacific. Looking forward to coverage of further turning points of the war still to come
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear, make sure to stay tuned!
@egonjensen7667
@egonjensen7667 3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. The Italians lost their African colonies so easily even though they were closer to Italy than to the UK, yet the Brits were able to keep Malta even though it's so close to Italy..
@SamIAmSXE
@SamIAmSXE 3 жыл бұрын
The UK controlled the Mediterranean. The Italians couldn't supply their colonial forces no matter how close they were. They couldn't land any troops in Malta for the same reason.
@merdiolu
@merdiolu 3 жыл бұрын
It is sealift , sea transport , shipping capacity and ability to reflect naval power on far away seas and shores. British Royal Navy was very good in these things. Italian Armed Forces , not so much due to degradation in operational effectiveness , lack of logistics , lack of shipping , lack of technology and weak economy. British fortified and reinforced Malta quite a bit during 1940-1941 while Italy missed the bus. Now in 1942 Italian Navy couldn't even get enough fuel more than one short sortie in Central Mediterranean before returning to base.
@emisat8970
@emisat8970 3 жыл бұрын
@@merdiolu Plus the Italian Navy was fitted with the view that the French Navy would be their primary opponent in wartime, not the Royal Navy.
@senpainoticeme9675
@senpainoticeme9675 3 жыл бұрын
@@emisat8970 actually the Italians were given an easier job with the French Navy out of action because of the 1940 armistice. Allied plans was for the French to patrol the Mediterrenean with Royal Navy support. Imagine a timeline where the French Navy escapes to Britain and actively supports the RN in the Mediterennean campaign. It could possibly prevented Rommel from reaching Libya and the North African campaign to be finished earlier in the Allies favor. The fast collapse of France was easy mode for Italy which they were unable to completely exploit. It just shows that Italy was not prepared at all for War against great powers.
@emisat8970
@emisat8970 3 жыл бұрын
@@senpainoticeme9675 I agree with the last paragraph but otherwise you misunderstood my point.
@ronpearson7300
@ronpearson7300 3 жыл бұрын
You know it's bad when YOUR tanks and armour are no match for the Japanese lol
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
The Japanese had found their tanks inferior to Soviet ones in the 1939 clashes, but in the Pacific at present the Western Allies only have tankettes.
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 3 жыл бұрын
The Chinese tanks weren't Chinese tanks. They were old Soviet tanks and some British and Italian tankettes
@Raskolnikov70
@Raskolnikov70 3 жыл бұрын
They were probably state-of-the-art when the Chinese got them, but technology moved fast during the war. Look at what the major industrial armies were churning out by then - T-34s, M48s, King Tigers, etc... compared to the tin cans they were driving around with in the 1930's.
@stevekaczynski3793
@stevekaczynski3793 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 The T-26 was probably the best tank of the Spanish Civil War but by 1941 it was on the way to obsolescence.
@porksterbob
@porksterbob 3 жыл бұрын
@@Raskolnikov70 They weren't state of the art when bought. China was poor and countries liked holding onto their modern tanks. The exception was the T-26 which the Russians sent over at a time when they were still in active Russian service. But all of the other ones were essentially on generation behind at best. The Chinese got a few panzer 1s from the Germans for example. That said, China had only a little over 100 armored vehicles of any kind.
@timcrawford6555
@timcrawford6555 3 жыл бұрын
SO enjoying this series. Well done
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@NedPhilanders493
@NedPhilanders493 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode as always, thanks!
@linnharamis1496
@linnharamis1496 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode- thank you.👍
@Sev7.
@Sev7. 3 жыл бұрын
3:50 small reading mistake, not infernal but inTernal
@jereschr
@jereschr 2 жыл бұрын
Finland occupied an island in the gulf of Finland and the battle was fought from 27.3 to 28.3 and resulted in a Finnish victory
@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral
@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral 2 ай бұрын
When you have to start sending your soft handed clerks into the infantry, you're in a tight spot
@lawrencesmeaton6930
@lawrencesmeaton6930 3 жыл бұрын
So who's winning? Who's encircled who? Eastern Front: Yes.
@DemonSliime
@DemonSliime Жыл бұрын
That intro made me turn into the commander in disbelief
@naveenraj2008eee
@naveenraj2008eee 3 жыл бұрын
Hi indy and team This week is interesting to watch.. Awaiting for next week.. Thanks..🙏👍
@danielmp2085
@danielmp2085 3 жыл бұрын
2:01 That Vlasov guy sounds like he´s a true hero, can´t wait to see what other great deeds he´ll make to save the Soviet Union from nazism.
@guavaguy4397
@guavaguy4397 3 жыл бұрын
That intro gives me WWI flashbacks.
@kevinconrad6156
@kevinconrad6156 3 жыл бұрын
Good Morning, thanks for the early upload.
@Yabuddy53
@Yabuddy53 3 жыл бұрын
What really gives perspective on the eastern front was that at minimum 75 percent of all German armies were engaged in fighting there at all times, and 80 percent of all German casualties were on the eastern front (mostly at the end of the war when the Russians were killing 300,000!! Men PER MONTH. That wasn’t including wounded or civilians. That was Germans soldiers KIA. If Stalin had succumbed to a peace treaty the western allies would have a whole new nightmare to face, the large bulk of the German army, something they never faced. A chilling thought. Who knows , maybe the French coast would be so heavily defended the allies wouldn’t have been able to achieve a good landing… scary stuff.
@nickthenoodle9206
@nickthenoodle9206 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic.
@glenmartin2437
@glenmartin2437 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@WorldWarTwo
@WorldWarTwo 3 жыл бұрын
It should be us thanking you, we appreciate your support Glen.
@thishominid871
@thishominid871 3 жыл бұрын
King is a fascinating character.
@horrorny207
@horrorny207 3 жыл бұрын
Great Powers: hey Lesser Powers, you HAVE to do what we tell you - because of THE PRINCIPALS! Also Great Powers: what principals?! we could lose here!
@casparcoaster1936
@casparcoaster1936 3 жыл бұрын
I think you can leave "modern" out of the idea of war causing strange bedfellows or superceding principal
@christopherroa9781
@christopherroa9781 3 жыл бұрын
Nice plug for the cuban missile crisis video, I loved that when it came out
@pnutz_2
@pnutz_2 3 жыл бұрын
5:03 to mirror the italian army expansion (and MHV's video on versailles) you have 900k enlistees and junior officers, it's going to be some time before you get replacement ncos
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I was thinking of that videos comparing Versailles to a Bethesda game (except fallout 76). Yup, it's here that the treaty's effects are shown
@Cybonator
@Cybonator 3 жыл бұрын
These cargo shorts have more pockets than the Eastern Front 1942
@aaronjohnson718
@aaronjohnson718 3 жыл бұрын
Nimitz not MacArthur deserved to be at the surrender of Japan MacArthur is way over rated
@champagnegascogne9755
@champagnegascogne9755 3 жыл бұрын
Indy, I might suggest you to reach out to The Operations Room if you want to properly simulate the events of the Battle of Ceylon/Indian Ocean Raid. It'll look great!
@mt_baldwin
@mt_baldwin Жыл бұрын
Finally found it, at 12:40, "the US has a big advantage in that their economy is immune to physical attack." Now doesn't this imply that the German economy being physically attacked is a disadvantage to the Axis? And what does "physically attacked" mean? Air raids and bombings, right? So why is there any debate that the bombing of Germany was effective or not? If air raids and bombings had no effect on German war production then this also means the US not being bombed was of no advantage to the allies.
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