144: Mike Israetel - The likelihood of muscle loss

[@ReviveStronger]

18:47 Things to consider before taking steroids 22:59 Why people need some knowledge to not fall for fads 28:14 Mike and Joe Rogan Podcast 30:19 How likely is true muscle loss going to happen 41:38 High protein intake on anabolic signalling 44:53 Training volume limited by time 50:23 How fatigued should you feel before a deload? 55:10 Newbie gains on a body part you've never focused on when you're an advanced trainee

[@Iegendsneverdie]

At some point you have to make a "Best of Mike Israetel analogies"! They are always hilarious and illustrative at the same time :D

[@ReviveStronger]

Look them up for me and I'll do it^^ - Pascal

[@Huffman_Tree]

"Now with 50% more skyscrapers"

[@ErnstEric]

Can’t wait for this book

[@ReviveStronger]

Me too, going to be great - Pascal

[@Youngstomata]

When you're about to study and this pops up. But hey ill get an "A" in lifting, and an "F" in Evolution

[@ssm-sf8by]

I'll give you a summary: Survive good, die bad

[@goliador1995]

lmaooooooo on the same boat i should be doing math hw right now

[@ReviveStronger]

xD

[@karimk8551]

A in hypertrophy ;)

[@AllTheGo0dNamesRGone]

Benefits of studying Exercise Physiology, this is my study... kind of haha

[@QuadraAce]

The scientific principles of strength was the most productive book that I have read. I just can't wait for this new one. Yes mike throw all the graphs and go as in depth as you can , better be 500+ pages. If one thinks it goes too in depth , they should consider that this book is aimed towards coaches and/or individuals who want every detail and bit of information. There are many books which scratch the surface. Go read those instead. I see the scientific principles as an ultimatum.

[@ReviveStronger]

I'm so excited for this book - Pascal

[@Weak1987]

Mike to Joe Rogan, alright 👍

[@ReviveStronger]

Let's make this happen^^ - Pascal

[@fenderman21guitar]

God please do so someone can finally convince joe to stop listening to the semi science bollocks keto people he keeps getting on

[@greyknight5168]

Yessss, I've commented this on Joe Rogan's channel several times in the past year.

[@brandonhutchins3041]

Dom D’agostino is someone that you should have on the podcast and could be mikes ticket to Joe Rogan. Great interview as always!

[@ReviveStronger]

We are always open for suggestions :) - Pascal

[@philclarke3660]

almost every time Mike finishes saying something, Steve goes "no..." and then agrees. shouldn't you be saying "yeah...I agree"

[@chainsawvsgod384]

Lol, I like it; it's endearing.

[@ssm-sf8by]

No, yeah you're right

[@philclarke3660]

guess it's the UK equivalent of the Aussie nah, yeah and yeah, nah

[@ReviveStronger]

No, it's his Britishness coming out ;) - Pascal

[@copernicus99]

Great stuff. FYI, Jackson Peos is currently studying the effectiveness of diet breaks as a way to preserve muscle during a cutting phase.

[@ReviveStronger]

A secret between us, we have a recorded episode coming out soon ;) - Pascal

[@eliholland1365]

I haven't read it yet, but Chris Beardsley has an ebook on hypertrophy after he released his ebook Strength is Specific, which I have read. If his hypertrophy is anything like Strength is Specific or any of his IG posts, etc., I suspect its pretty technical and well-detailed book for advanced meatheads.

[@ReviveStronger]

I'd assume that it's good! - Pascal

[@realbenmaynard6019]

Another great video!! Side note - I was listening to the podcast when this episode popped up! lol

[@ReviveStronger]

Lol, perfect timing I assume ;) - Pascal

[@randombrowser1636]

Thanks again for the podcast with Dr Mike Steve! aslo could you make a podcast with him about mixing Bodybuilding and Martial art since he does BJJ! I appreciate your time and Pascal's time as well for these podcasts

[@ReviveStronger]

Cheers buddy! I don't know how applicable that is to our general audience. - Pascal

[@sajitha87]

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[@nickangelovski4358]

Mike and Steve thank you once again, always informative, always interesting.... love your work!!!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for your support Nick! - Pascal

[@ssm-sf8by]

Mike's putting the *based* in evidence based coaching

[@danpham8963]

#InMikeWeTrust

[@ReviveStronger]

Yep! - Pascal

[@mathiaswarnstrom4163]

Amazing as always.

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks Mathias! - Pascal

[@stevenmuncy491]

Thanks for another great show! Question for your next panel discussion: How would you program (volume, splits, etc) for older lifters whose recovery time approaches their de-training time?

[@ReviveStronger]

Hopefully we can get another panel going - Pascal

[@tomwaitsfornoone1182]

leg and forearm day, makes me look forward to leg day. lol

[@ReviveStronger]

Lol!

[@Kidspider24]

Another great podcast my guy

[@ReviveStronger]

Cheers Adam! - Pascal

[@copernicus99]

Hi guys, Regarding forearms: I'm currently making PRs in the gym, but I've been experiencing some intense pain in my forearms (brachioradialis) after doing heavy pulling exercises and curls. Is overworking forearms a common bodybuilding ailment, and should I deload despite the fact that I'm making progress? Any remedies you can suggest? Thanks for your advice!

[@ReviveStronger]

I wouldn't deload, however, are you using straps? - Pascal

[@alotan2acs]

43:20. Ant citation on carbs being more “anabolic” than protein? Did you guys discuss this anywhere else?

[@Chaosdude341]

Yeah, check out Broderick Chavez's features on Revive Stronger. I think one is biology of muscle growth, and another is high carb massing. That'll put you on a good path. Cheers.

[@icejumperke]

SQUAAAAAAAAAA 🔥 Yeeeeesssssss! You make my day always you upload a new video! 🙌🔥

[@Youngstomata]

Goddamn you beat me!

[@icejumperke]

@Tyler - I stalk Pascal, remember? 😁 So I knew when he uploaded 😂

[@icejumperke]

Btw: love Mike singing at 4:15 😂😂😂

[@ErnstEric]

Can’t wait for the book Mike!

[@alexz2702]

These videos are freakin awesome

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for listening :D - Coach Jess

[@FantusyFailure]

Please make the font in SPH darker. The SPST font was super light and difficult to read.

[@ReviveStronger]

SPH, SPST?

[@ReviveStronger]

Ah, now I see!!

[@niclasrausch135]

Can anyone reference the study Mike mentions about Lactate Accumulation & Hypertrophy? @12:48

[@ReviveStronger]

Possibly this one: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/apha.13042?fbclid=IwAR0YqFbxaP9Vv3QDAHVsyzhQhRDg9ZaIVF-_pS9S5k8FtMPQk0ZNUiodQik - Pascal

[@Magic_beans_]

33:20 That’s one of those Internet things that always bugs me. “How do I [do a thing]?” “Don’t.” “But I want to because…” “No, it’s stupid and you’re stupid for asking.”

[@ReviveStronger]

Thank you for sharing and thanks for tuning in! - Coach Jess

[@jakehickman_]

Holy shit mike on the joe rogan podcast would be amazing

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, it'd be great :) - Pascal

[@GLvDOS]

Mike still not on Rogan 😢

[@robbiescrivener8523]

Consuming just protein shakes ( or too many shakes) gives you the squits in a very bad way :(

[@ReviveStronger]

Lol, can confirm - Pascal

[@burner1303]

We all gotta learn our MRV for dairy/whey-based products at some point lol

[@markschiefelbein9786]

linear vs unliniear peridiozation next video

[@ReviveStronger]

Noted, but this was a while ago, we may have had a question answered about that on a Q&A with Dr Mike! - Coach Jess

[@alexdmrgs]

If I really injured my knee on the last overload week, is that my max effort I should do? Or just an unfortunate event

[@griffingeode]

Injury is Highly likely due to form/ technique or the combination of pre existing conditions; probably not due to volume. Wouldn't worry about that as a landmark as while recovering from injury you should lower and rebuild the amount of volume you do, most likely beyond where you were at when injured.

[@ReviveStronger]

Hard to say for sure, injuries are a complex field. Tick the boxes of good form, consistency, etc. If you're then getting injured it could possibly be that it's due to volume but still so many other things could be the case as well - Pascal

[@alexdmrgs]

@@griffingeode yeah man I had a miniscis tear and surgery last March and it tore again but went away for good time. Pain came back on 4th week of leg press

[@griffingeode]

@@alexdmrgs wow, I'm not a doctor but I've had family go through a meniscus tear. That is an important "condition" (form was important too but) that can greatly influence the form you use. Good news is the person I know has been able to continue lifting happily. Bad news is they've had to be mindful of their knee and adjust their form. After years of recovery they actually have long range of motion but don't tolerate twisting and flexing some directions under high loads. It took caution and time.

[@alexdmrgs]

@@griffingeode at least there's new exercises this block. But I'm going to have to really be careful on the strength block especially. I spent a whole minute with foot placement on leg press, I think when I let my knees touch my chest deeply they angled out, must've been it. Thanks for the advice man!

[@SuperBizalz]

7:56 - 8-02 - Writing in a state of constant masturbation? That’s why it takes so long to write the book. Lol!

[@kabirverma4186]

Lets tag Mike on twitter! Imma make a twitter account.

[@ReviveStronger]

Let's make it happen - Pascal

[@The10Daniel10]

Squadddd

[@The10Daniel10]

P.S sick fade Steve!

[@The10Daniel10]

P.P.S the episode was more than great, Mike is the GOAT and I can wait for the hypertrophy principals book!!!!

[@ReviveStronger]

Mate, me too! - Pascal

[@jw9581]

Lets go :)

[@ReviveStronger]

Hope you enjoyed it! - Pascal

[@gamerchristina1079]

💪💪❤️❤️‼️

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for the support! - Coach Jess

[@milktruckcopilot]

600mg

[@ReviveStronger]

Only? What about abombs and such? - Pascal

[@alexr1301]

Bro stop working traps more than delts. It looks stupid.

[@jeffreywingham5302]

Lol Fat Mike always talking about training and being in shape which he never is. Only in America

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

I always tell kids that they need to bench 4 plates before ever considering gear use. If they arent willing to put in enough time and effort to reach the level of hypertrophy and strength just to push that much weight they arent ready for it. You always wind up seeing these young 140 lb YOLO's hoping on and needing grams just to reach decent natty levels. And honestly, unless you are looking at setting some kind of record or win a meet, why take the risk? Why pin yourself and get jaundice just to get a sort of lean beach body and gym shark on the cardio girls at your shitty commerical gym?

[@leewyatt1834]

Benching 4 plates is something most people will never be able to achieve naturally. Assuming you mean 4 plates per side.

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

@@leewyatt1834 I think that smaller frames guys might have a hard time, but I see no issue with a 5'10+ 210 lb+ male benching 4 plates after 5 or 10 years of strength training.

[@leewyatt1834]

@@grizzlymanverneteil4443 I will admit that I'm not personally experienced enough to know what limits most people can reach after many consistent years of strength training but ExRx strength standards suggest that a 405lbs bench press is an elite level lift for all but the very highest weight classes.

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

They define elite as someone that simply competes at strength sports, not as an elite level athlete, and that these numbers do not reflect maximum human potential. To me, this seems almost more like a baseline for competitive people, and you should be extremely competitive before considering hoping on. Gear will not make you competitive as you will go from being a subpar natural lifter to being a subpar enhanced lifter. That said, if you compare exrx standards with from powerlifting federations standards you will see a drastic difference. Though in all fairness, I am speaking strictly from a strength athletes perspective, a 405 bench is probably not a great metric from a bodybuilding standpoint, so I see where you are coming from.

[@williambrown7437]

GrizzlyVerne MeinVerne I agree with your rationale but your cut off at 4 plates is way off. There is a large percent of the population that will never bench 4 plates without gear and a significant amount that won’t even reach that level with gear. The point that people should put in the time to see what is possible naturally before going on gear still stands though.