173: Mike Israetel - Maximum Muscular Potential

Back with another Q&A with Dr. Mike Israetel. This time he's at the Olympia and records in a gym, so sorry for the audio. Still, super valuable stuff about stimulus/fatigue ratio, thermic effect of food, max muscle potential and much more!
Timestamps:
01:06 Anything new in regards to effective reps since last time? Especially after Greg's article
16:11 Why ever train with a different RIR than 2 if it's the best stimulus/fatigue ratio
23:03 Examples of research doesn't support the outcome but anecdotally seems true?
30:58 Thermic effect of food
33:36 How to transition from a volume landmark approach to a static set structure?
37:37 Max Muscular Potential calculations for naturals?
46:26 Mike speaks about expectations and enjoyment of bodybuilding
50:09 How to train to optimise health?
54:53 Muscle loss when prepping on anabolics
57:45 Cardiovascular work in an offseason as a bodybuilder?
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[@adamek9750]

classic mike camera angle

[@burner1303]

The muscle daddy angle

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

Gotta see up them nostrils

[@MisterFeatherss]

i once had surpassed my MRV of mike israetel podcasts, was doing a 1 week deload of mike so the podcasts got effective again

[@Jovahkiiin]

My MEI (Minimum effective israetel) just keeps growing and growing.

[@Knx3k]

Yes

[@emiljorgensen5340]

Nothing like a revive stronger podcast with mike to make for an awesome weekend

[@PaytonDowns]

Amen

[@ReviveStronger]

Hope it actually was a good one ;) - Pascal

[@emiljorgensen5340]

@@ReviveStronger it certainly was!

[@icejumperke]

#SQUAAAAAAAD 🔥 Oh yeah, it’s that time of the week again! 🎉 I could listen to Mike sharing his knowledge for hours and hours without stopping! 🙌 Said it before, but hell, I’ll say it again, and again, and again, and again... YOU GUYS ARE LEGENDS! 🙏💪

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks as always Wezz! - Pascal

[@mrlmitbib]

The apology at the start of the video - the definition of professionalism. Excellent pod cast as usual. Keep doing your thing!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks Jesse, and sorry for audio quality again. - Pascal

[@gpness]

nothing changes my mood at work on an early Saturday morning like a Dr. Mike interview!

[@ReviveStronger]

Yes! - Pascal

[@The10Daniel10]

Yessss! there's no such thing as a bad Revive Stronger Podcast episode and even more so there is no such thing as a less then amazing episode with Dr Mike. PS I know this probably came out super ridicules but I'm super tired and I hope my point came through lol

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, still sorry for the quality - Pascal

[@mikekost9848]

damn this one was a 10/10

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks Mike! - Pascal

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

Really appreciate mike izziierriaiittieals clarification on effective reps. After listening to gregs podcast it sounded like effective reps made anything beyond 5 rep sets meaningless if it were true. Mike set things straight 3 minutes into the podcast lol.

[@ReviveStronger]

Happy to hear that it was helpful :) - Pascal

[@dimanaboytcheva7078]

Mike giving bodybuilding AND dating advice lol I didn't expect that Thanks again for the awesome podcast!

[@ReviveStronger]

Hahaha, there we go^^ - Pascal

[@xXx98misiek98xXx]

Wish Doc had better mic.

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, this time around it wasn't optimal - Pascal

[@torbit]

Don’t worry we don’t tune in just for sound quality :) the content and personality is what matters

[@ReviveStronger]

That's the spirit Tessa. Still, sorry for it - Pascal

[@inklabdesigns]

Everywhere I’ve read says that the 4 calorie per gram of protein does not take TEF into account, that the bomb calorimeter shows 4 calories initially. Has anyone looked into this further? Really curious about this one.

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, I was under the assumption as well - Pascal

[@yourbrain8700]

On what planet does being muscular not help in getting laid? That's highly incongruent with my experience, can't tell if he's joking whenever he says something like that.

[@Mad_Intellect]

@Eugene Stoner There are exceptions, but being ripped and athletic has gotten me laid more than when I wasn't working out.

[@Mad_Intellect]

@Eugene Stoner LMAO, how the hell did you come up with that assumption?? All I said was it got me laid more, smh.

[@ReviveStronger]

I think that the bigger you're getting, the more of a freak you'll become in the eyes of others - Pascal

[@rubeushagrid4236]

47:08 could Mike do a podcast on optimal ways to get laid, he has some very good insight

[@ReviveStronger]

He's the man - Pascal

[@Knx3k]

And as soon as I start my unofficial cut, I find a Mike interview I haven't watched, nice

[@ReviveStronger]

Yes!! We have so much of him ;) - Pascal

[@6maxgrinder549]

@ 23:30 ....awesome

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks Max! - Pascal

[@Euphytos]

Thoughts on neck training? It' has became really famous and I find it really beneficial for people with no large necks genetically and people not doing too muxh deadlift. More attractivness, looking stronger! Wondering why it's not popular here, Mike Helms don't talk about it even if it's really effective

[@ReviveStronger]

This has been discussed in one of the earlier episodes. - Pascal

[@jonathonfreelove5321]

This was a cracking episode definitely a lot of wisdom that did me good to hear.

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for the feedback Jon! - Pascal

[@downwithbigsis9392]

Love how objective Dr. Mike is. Enjoyed the health vs bodybuilding speech.

[@MohcineDerri]

Seems like today's cardio session will be x2 longer 👌👌

[@ReviveStronger]

Hope it was worth it though ;) - Pascal

[@MohcineDerri]

@@ReviveStronger it's always worth it when it's a Reviver Stronger X Mike Israetel Podcast ♥♥ keep up the good work guys

[@invisipunk]

Representing NPA. 👍

[@Seda1979]

The 3 wise men of fitness/nutrition (through my perspective) are. Dr. Eric Helms, Dr. Mike Isratel, and Dr. Layne Norton....Honorable mention to Dr. Brad Schoenfeld and the "Ass Man" Mr. Glute Guy himself Dr. Bret Contreras. I value these men's collective opinion more than ANY personal trainer that I have ever known about in person or online. When I want credible, practical, and scientific backed information, I turn to these men....Because there is entirely WAY TOO MUCH BULLSHIT out there in the fitness community. And as a parent I be damned if my daughter, who is a highschool athlete, get misinformed as well as myself. Appreciate you guys, keep informing the ignorant and reaffirming those that "know". From the GREAT AMERICAN SW, DEUCES!!!

[@ReviveStronger]

Definitely knowledgeable guys! - Pascal

[@Omar1066]

Thank you for asking my question Steve!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for the support Omar! - Pascal

[@torbit]

Really enjoyed this

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks again Tessa :) - Pascal

[@chronometa]

Wouldn't training your rep range on your muscle fiber type for the muscle with the RIR principal? For ex. Glutes are 50/50 give or take fast and slow twitch, so by knowing that you would train high reps to basically burn out one day and heavier/medium the other day.

[@ReviveStronger]

I think, working in a wide rep range is probably a good idea. Work from Andy Galpin has shown though, that muscle fibres can transition into being type1 or 2 & and vice versa - Pascal

[@Islandstrength1955]

If only the last few reps are optimal why not start there? Perhaps I missed something...

[@JRHillJR]

Steve Denning 🤣

[@bastis.5104]

What do you think of the idea to use maintenance periods/ primer phases at MV/MEV to incorporate more training to failure to both get in some more stimulus while resensitizing the body to high volume training, as well as to improve your ability to gauge RIR by training to true failure for once. My pretty much only concern is that this hinders the resensitization effect of the primer phase.

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, I think it could possibly leave you very beat up afterwards :/ - Pascal

[@14SoccerLee]

Everywhere I’ve read says that the 4 calorie per gram of protein does not take TEF into account, that the bomb calorimeter shows 4 calories initially.

[@ReviveStronger]

Yeah, that was my assumption as well - Pascal

[@LukePettit]

I love how Mike has that M+S knowledge

[@ReviveStronger]

He's fascinated by the UK grocery shops - Pascal

[@rounders_incsky8663]

So mike using drugs now😄😄

[@EmperorPenguinXRemas]

What if I let go for a few weeks on maintenance, but still want to bulk now? Should I stick with this weight a few weeks or just bulk normal?

[@ReviveStronger]

Can you elaborate? - Pascal

[@burner1303]

lookin swole Steve! Great podcast as always

[@ozzy5146]

Fans are screaming for mic upgrade. Or something.

[@ReviveStronger]

Out of our control - Pascal

[@mrbartuss1]

Why isn't it available as a podcast yet?

[@ReviveStronger]

It's itunes. Always takes a while there - Pascal

[@jewelfewel]

Can't get enough of these podcasts great job guys

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks!! - Pascal

[@asp6415]

Always some great takeaways from Mike

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks for tuning in Abin! - Pascal

[@TrainAesthetics]

Lmao if you want to get laid, don’t follow your heart.

[@ReviveStronger]

I get laid plenty of times and I followed my heart - Pascal

[@TrainAesthetics]

Haha 😂 smart man!

[@razvanimal8690]

24:45 unless you're Ronnie Coleman

[@ReviveStronger]

Ronnie Coleman isn't human! - Pascal

[@gokukakarot6323]

Bro. You should get Mike a setup. Difficult to understand someone who I like listening to :P

[@ReviveStronger]

Sorry for this time, as we mentioned in the beginning - Pascal

[@gamerchristina1079]

GREAT!! 💪💪❤️❤️‼️

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks! - Coach Jess

[@joaocrufer]

Thanks!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks Joao! - Pascal

[@gnodlem]

Nothing totally wrong with the sound here Steve, might’ve noticed it for all of 10 seconds at one point but nothing terribly off putting. Great episode on a variety of related topics, thanks for your hard work and consistency with the podcasts!

[@ReviveStronger]

Thanks but still sorry for the quality - Pascal

[@J90JAM]

Came for the training expertise, stayed for the dating advice.

[@ReviveStronger]

Mike does it all hahaha! Thanks for watching. - Coach Jess

[@fd-pj3uk]

IT IS possible that Somebody train for 5 to 10 years for example, and Not get even Close to His natty Potenzial, because He Had train to often to muscle Failure with Maybe Bad Form and to much Stress Bad sleep etc?

[@traingear9578]

in order to reach your maximum genetic potential you have to 100% optimize your diet and training .. doesn't matter how long your train, if those things are not optimized your genetic potential will never be fully realized . but thats where steroids are a great tool, they allow you to get past your genetic potential much sooner even if everything is not quite optimized.

[@ReviveStronger]

Time will be the limiting factor in answering the question about the max potential - Pascal

[@PsyduckMD]

from what I know (I could be wrong because there isn't much information available about it), Sheiko aims to increase the muscular mass of his athletes with programs that contain practically 0 effective reps. Certainly, in his programs available on the internet (or in his book), you never get close to failure. If effective repetitions play an important role in putting mass, (and certainly muscle mass has a fundamental role in powerlifting) why doesn't Sheiko use them? Thanks a lot.

[@traingear9578]

this was touched on by Mike in the podcast . Muscle hypertrophy begins way before failure or even so called "effective reps" . effective reps play a role but not the only role

[@traingear9578]

also keep in mind that effective reps don't necessarily progress linearly. example , if I bench press 155 pounds which is extremely light for me for say 10 reps (even though my true failure may be 30 reps) so I'm training at like an RIR of 20 (on the first set) , but if I have little rest between sets and I do up to 10 sets of those 10 reps , by time I've gotten to the last set I'm actually training much closer to failure (because fatigue has set in), even though on paper 10 reps is supposed to be an RIR of 20.. Sheiko athletes are likely training in the "effective reps" range and some points during the workout

[@Euphytos]

Mike Isratel's RP template are the definition of junk volume ;)

[@ReviveStronger]

Again, is that so? - Pascal

[@sungameloc]

What? The volume you do is individual and based off your recovery, if you think it's junk volume then you didnt use the rating system honestly.

[@fd-pj3uk]

Hey Steve since you train with rir and this science Based stuff. Do you make netter gainz than bevor? And are you Natural all The time? Because i See you build Up a Lot of muscle and now Look very massive

[@Huffman_Tree]

Writing English comments on a phone with German autocorrect, eh? I know your pain

[@fd-pj3uk]

@@Huffman_Tree ja :D

[@ReviveStronger]

Best gains ever and natural - Pascal

[@ryanburnham9270]

I'm your host, as always, Steve Whole

[@ReviveStronger]

You got it!

[@ryanburnham9270]

@@ReviveStronger Lol

[@SilmShandy]

45 min a week?

[@ReviveStronger]

What's your question? - Coach Jess

[@SilmShandy]

@@ReviveStronger cardio question 45 min a week or 45 min x 2-4 times a week during massing

[@lillegrindalen6714]

I cant hear the names of the pick up books. Help!

[@Huffman_Tree]

What's the timestamp? Maybe I can make out something

[@lillegrindalen6714]

47:10

[@Huffman_Tree]

@@lillegrindalen6714 Lol, so it were literaly pick up books? If you weren't joking to begin with, the first two were Mystery Method and Rules of the Game. Not sure what the rest was! That flew right over my head because I had not heard of these books before.

[@lillegrindalen6714]

Thank you. Very serious matter:)

[@Turbo-D]

very sad to say that the soundquality is to poor to listen to it,

[@ReviveStronger]

You should hear the unedited version - Pascal

[@BruSwayneable]

What does Mike mean by special sports supplements? Its coming across in this video that he is not natural anymore?

[@TreatSpin]

APT Fitness when did he ever claim to be natural?

[@traingear9578]

steroids of course .. mike has not been natural for quite awhile now. heck he hired a steroid guru, Broderick Chavez, just to help him set up his steroid cycles

[@BruSwayneable]

@@traingear9578 no way, most of his content in these podcasts is preaching about how he dosent touch it any one that does is a loser etc. I have no probs with anyone doing it but he specifically comes to mind when it comes to the natural front scene based on his previous comments.

[@roboglock21]

@@BruSwayneable I have to disagree, he's spoken about taking "sports supplements" for years and working with Broderick Chavez for years. Broderick Chavez has always said that he knows nothing of natural lifting and his "niche" is with enhanced athletes. I believe Mike hasn't spoken blatantly about steroids much, if at all, due to this perception ppl seem to have that PEDs are a magic bullet and that all of his progress is solely due to drugs and not his work ethic, hard work, effort, and scientific knowledge. PEDs are only as effective as the training and nutrition accompanying them.

[@BruSwayneable]

@@roboglock21 ok interesting, i definitely see what your saying now with his whole perception of how people shouldn't focus on that but im sure ive heard him say how is natural a fair few times, maybe older videos, as i am catching up on them mostly in the last 6 months

[@devil5hlygrim972]

I wish there was more info on over 6ft bodybuilders, it’s weird to say the least... how strong I am versus how lean I can get... like 700lbs on the leg press for 5reps max but I’ve never seen my abs in shape regardless of cutting for months with refeeds

[@devil5hlygrim972]

Wide shoulders big chest and back tiny waist big legs can’t come in shape after 10yrs training weird

[@devil5hlygrim972]

Natural, because I’m poor...

[@ReviveStronger]

I wish there was more info as well - Pascal

[@josemryou]

So many incorrect statements and assumptions in this discussion one doesn't know where to start. It would be infinitely more productive to have someone like Chris Beardsley on at the same time as Mike or Greg to clarify the research, implications and their position.

[@ReviveStronger]

We tried to get Chris...but nothing yet... - Pascal