15-22's for Project Appleseed

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

A few Appleseed Instructors have voiced their concern over the USGI M16 protective bags. I was just following the list of equipment instructions on the Appleseed website that literally says bring a trash bag or towel. I don't see how a trash bag is more safe than the USGI M16 bags but I always have regular trash bags in my truck if they are a requirement. Im not one to argue safety rules. I'm a stickler for it in my classes and I have instilled it into my boys. If they tell me not to use the USGI M16 bags, I won't use them. I wasn't concerned about getting the rifles dirty or wet. I was just following instructions. I selected the M16 bags because I had them and thought it would be neat.

[@GodGunsGills]

AMEN!

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

@@nocomment3931 that it's unsafe.

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

​@@nocomment3931apparently. It's right here: appleseedinfo.org/how-to-prepare/ Rifle Specific Items: "Trash bag and light-colored towel"

[@seanoneil277]

Where I am no instructor would have a care. If the Wx is bad they would likely remark on your preparedness. I did a Winterseed earlier this year, single digits and snowing. Those who had covers (tarp pieces, blanket pieces, fleece towels) had drier and happier hands during drills & AQTs. I just fold my mat over my rifle and unfold it when a course of fire starts. Mid-Atlantic when it's 45 or colder, and humid or rain/sleet/snow, that's pretty raw and wet & cold hands are known for not listening to your brain's signals.

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

​@@seanoneil277here is our pre "flight checklist": 3 15-22's (Zeroed at 25 Yards) 3 Manuals (Rifle & Optic) 3 10 Round Magazines x 3 3 USGI M16 Plastic Rifle Bags 3 Chieu Hou Magazine Bags 6 USGI Magazine Bags 3 Rifle Mats 3 Slings with Mounts 3 Sharpies 3 Pencils 3 Pens 3 Notepads 3 Tricorn/Boonie Convertible Hats 3 Sets Elbow Pads 4 Eye Pro (Clean) 4 Ear Pro (Clean and Charged) 4 Camp Chairs 3 Lip Balm 3 Eye Drops 4 Ponchos 3 Shop Rags 3 Packs Dummy Rounds 3 Sight Adjustment Tools (In Grip) 3 Extra Lube (In Grip) 3 Optics Cloth (In Grip) 3 Spare Optic Batteries (In Grip) 3 Alcohol Pads (In Grip) 500 Rounds Match Ammo x 3 Dad's Cleaning Kit Dad's Armorer's Toolbox Truck Vise Range Rod 3 Rapid Rods with 3 Tips 3 Bore Snakes 30 Cleaning Patches Sunscreen Insect Repellent Baby Wipes Paper Towels Trash Bag Emergency #2 Bucket w/ Cat Litter Bleeder/Blow Out Kit Portable Awning Boo Boo Kit/Medical Kit Water/Drinks Trail Mix Lunch & Soft Side Cooler

[@markmcgrath6812]

Thumbs up for cat supervisor

[@Docsporseen1]

I'm an Appleseed instructor. You're going to have a great time! I put together a dedicated .22 with the CMMG bolt and barrel, along with a couple of 10/22s for use at Appleseed events.

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

Thank you. We're going to go with an open mind and do whatever the instructors ask.

[@Cpt_RB]

Never heard of appleseed before. Definitely interested and gonna check it out

[@milspecmike8440]

I built a dedicated .22LR upper and lower with the CCMG barrel and bolt as well. The Better Mag adapter allows use of the 15-22 mags so bolt hold open also works. I also used the Bore Buddy reliability kit, It’s been ultra reliable and I’m using it in practical rimfire matches and steel challenge.

[@RoninOperator]

I thought S&W .22 rifles were not allowed at Appleseed

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

​@@RoninOperatorthey unbanned them in late 2021 of I remember correctly.

[@thedownwardmachine]

I bought a 15-22 for my wife. Not only does she love it, but it’s a great intro rifle for my friends. Also it always puts a smile on the faces of my seasoned gun buddies

[@crypto1300]

Taught my kids on my 15-22! We use it for steel challenge matches now. Such a great rifle!

[@RetreatHell]

That’s super cool you bought these and did all That for your boys man! My son is only a few months old and I’m SUPER psyched to do things like this for him once he’s old and mature enough🤙

[@augreich]

You're doing what every father's duty in America is; training your sons how to be rifleman!!

[@charlesgillette2925]

Love what you did and the fact you are with them on this trip. Outstanding Video.

[@philroe2363]

Somebody is a great father!!!

[@DevonReclaimed]

I love Appleseed! I've been doing Appleseed classes for years now and they're so valuable to preserving the history and culture of the second amendment and freedom on planet earth. Keeps you humble and your skills sharp as well. For whenever you may need them

[@kennethreynolds8]

Making great memories and learning good skills What more could a person ask for. I raised my two oldest grandsons taught them to fish, shoot ,gun safety and ride motorcycles. Decades later we are very tight.

[@Braindoner101]

I just looked up the MAWL… that’s a flex on those 15-22s!

[@jimhill5788]

Great video!!! I am one of the instructors for Project Appleseed and I watch quite a bit of your videos on the AR platform. I hope you and your boys have a great time. Huzzah!

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

Awesome, thank you! I'm hoping that one day my boys will become instructors and continue to pass the torch.

[@p47rr]

Dry cool. Great to see a father taking time to spend with his kids.

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

The Appleseed Project is a valuable resource for our next generation! The S&W M&P 15-22 is an outstanding tool for training new shooters, but unlike the Ruger 10/22 (which is a great rifle), the 15-22 is an excellent choice for low cost AR-15 training!!

[@michaelwhite9199]

Getting your boys involved in shooting is awesome. There is nothing like that near me.

[@mtcup56]

I will promote project Appleseed. Take your most basic firearm and they will make you better. You have a very nice video. Thank you for promoting project Appleseed

[@augreich]

In the USMC we call that a "Loop Sling." Very effective at stabilization. I qualified 2nd Expert in my Platoon; 4th in my Company.

[@michaelgilbert8794]

Took my son and father to an Appleseed event in Sevierville TN in August of’22. Loved it. Quality event Glad you are getting to take your sons

[@ashleystovalldaman]

I have been looking at this rifle for my 9year old. He has been shooting my 10-22 but he has been saving his money for one of these

[@DutchMDeacon]

I feel badly for that other cat. The one that Rebel ate 😁

[@onna-day7047]

😂😂🤣

[@rodroller3328]

Fantastic video, many thanks. I have a new 15-22 and have watched far too many hours of videos on fixes/upgrades and saw a few new tips here, like the velcro inside the stock tube. I like the basic stock but hate that tube play also. I was looking at replacements but you saved me $$ on it and I already have some velcro laying around! Great to hear a real gunsmith's analysis of all parts of the gun.

[@sfdhazmat]

I’m a Tippmann Arms guy, I’ve owned cmmg, S&W15/22, and settled on Tippmann. Manual of arms are identical to centerfire AR’s and magazines are smooth. They will take a lot of your AR parts. The customer service is awesome and very helpful. I ditched the 15/22 due to the out of battery detonations next to my kids face in two different guns that took S&W forever to own up too. Didn’t trust them anymore. Each to their own, Tippmann out of box ready to go!

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

The Tippmann s are good guns. I'm not going to discount your experience with the 15-22, but I will say this. All rimfire semi autos are dangerous. Any of them can and will fire out of battery. I can't count how many rimfire semis have blown up on me as a Gunsmith. Seen it with every brand. More with the 10/22 than any other brand. Fortunately when it happens it's usually not a big deal if people are wearing eye protection. It may blow out an extractor and damage the magazine.

[@CompletePandemonium]

My son and I attended an Appleseed event years ago. We throughly enjoyed the experience. I have no doubt yall will as well.

[@life_of_riley88]

Rebel is a big ole keety! Very cute.

[@nephrodoc4120]

Wow, great setup. Been happy with my 15-22, it’s been flawless out of the box. The only accessories I got for Appleseed were extra 10 round short style mags and a sling.

[@TheLoneRanger745]

Those are some lucky boys haven a Dad like you ! About a year ago I wanted a 22 lr I had researched all the different types of conversation kits , they all had or were going to have problems. I found Tippmann Arms AR-M422 Pro elite all metal construction EXACT match to my 5.56 . I had a Holosun 403R w/ holosun 3X magnifier , at my indoor range 25yds I'm getting nickel size groups. I'm very happy with how good this rifle shooting not a single FTF or anything runs awesome ! Thanks Bud for sharing.🤠. There's a guy in the Midwest with a cool marksman rifle game he want to build a great M4 , well..he did and this is it . He's on Y.T. and his outdoor range.

[@quiettime6871]

Very cool video, nice change-up. Most people do their talk about muzzle device torque but I have seen even just a thread protector cause accuracy to degrade. Good stuff, glad I found this channel

[@pwn3426]

I have the palmetto state armory 22 ar upper with the better mag adapter that allows it to take the 15-22 mags and let me tell you thousands upon thousands of rounds nvr a single failure ever other than ammo related which was a squid. I have the upper on a anderson lower with a larue 2 stage trigger and a swampfox arrowhead 1-10 lpvo.

[@musician445]

The 15-22 is such an awesome trainer rifle. A new one that i picked up that i'm also highly impressed with is the Tippman Elite M4-22, the elite version of these gun uses all aluminum receivers, aluminum mlok handguard and aluminum buffer tube. They make it in 16" and 11" and some models have a stock folder on them too. I've put several hundred suppressed rounds through mine and i have only had a few stoppages. I also bought several more mags for it and those seem to run great too.

[@awp97128]

Hahaha, the way rebel looks at you and squints after he walks over the rifles when you called him chonkey haha

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

Rebel cat is a serious jerk. I make sure he has a good life, but he don't appreciate it.

[@clint2211]

Great to see Rebel! It's been awhile. He is looking rather healthy! I have a CMMG 22 conversion kit but there is something about a dedicated 22 AR that is alluring. I am considering a Tippmann.

[@joelclark2130]

My friend has one, and the tippman. Is F LAWLESS. You can't go wrong with one of them

[@jasondupuis8688]

I have a number of police officers that have purchased Tippmann Arms M4-22 's for training. The Tippmann are mostly MIL-SPEC and easy to setup as your patrol or duty gun. Point being that LEO's and other agency's have a high degree of confidence in the M4-22 for it's reliability and ability to setup like a standard AR with minimal modifications.

[@warrenharrison9490]

I did the CMMG conversion and use it in my M4 surplus upper that has worn throat. Been looking at the Tippmann M4, I like it's more milspec feel. The one thing about the CMMG conversion is lack of completely same manual of arms when mag is empty, doing mag changes, charging.

[@jasondupuis8688]

@@warrenharrison9490 Check us out at Resilient Arms. We donate a portion of proceeds to wounded/disabled vets so its a win win for all.

[@jimmybags4209]

Outstanding! Nothing like pulling the trigger 600 times and it costs peanuts. Love my Tippmann Arms M4 elite.

[@GodGunsGills]

I love the Tippmann m4

[@augreich]

You're going to break 100 thousands subs by the end of the month at the current rate!!

[@comeoutandpla]

I love..absolutely love the MBT for a rimfire AR build. It’s the Most Bestest Trigger

[@Insert-name-here00]

I have found that the larger charging handle’s needed when using a LPVO or scope tend to dig into my back when slung. I filed the sharp points off the handle on my AR style pews.

[@christopherhuffman3857]

The Appleseed Shoots are great for the money i have been twice and out of my class of 20-25 people only 1 or 2 patches were given. I would suggest getting your zero on a 1 inch square target. The Appleseed zero targets have 5, 1inch squares if you can hit them 3 shots consistently each you will have a leg up when you get there.

[@thelastlatchkeykid8466]

Rebel’s an eater, and I love it!

[@marcanthony854]

Collected through the years, multiple dpms 22 bulls, love the 22LR

[@BrianDexter]

I have had my 15--22 for about 10 years and learned a few things/tips.. Glad you chose to make this video! Regarding the Radian CH comment...I was able to get their kit (CH and ambi safety) last year directly from Radian, so they might be making more of them now.

[@gleamtarrest6310]

Awesome! I have one & 2 of my buddies have one & they run really well , only issues I have had is only ammo related! Perfect way to get familiar with an AR & just as important is getting familiar with running a sling. I had some issues with 2 of my mags , I am not sure what happened to them but they are done for.

[@roadking62]

Great video on upgrades! Thank you. Just bought a 15-22 for my 14 yr old, and we will shoot our first AS match this fall. 👍

[@lukecapria8925]

You're going to have a great time at Project Appleseed! The lessons are great as well as the stories. I hope you let us know how it goes.

[@lukecapria8925]

Where would one get one of those cool new patches?

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

​@@lukecapria8925we sold them on our website. We sold out last one on Monday. I will get more I'm a few months.

[@bbainter7880]

I am an Appleseed instructor. You may have a problem with putting the rifle in those bags. While your rifle is on the line, the muzzle must be kept over the line while your body is kept behind it (until instructed otherwise). It's gonna be hard to hold that bag open and slide your rifle in without flagging your own hand or pulling your muzzle behind the line and flagging somebody else. When we have inclement weather, wr just usually fold the shooting mat over the gun until it's time to shoot (and I am in Wyoming, which is an old indian word meaning "bad weather") Last note - if your kids have good eyesight, they'll benefit more from using iron sights before they move on to scopes. Scopes can be a crutch when it comes to basic instruction, unless you have problems seeing the target. Good luck at your shoot, you'll have a great time.

[@bbainter7880]

Edit to add - the instructor may ban the bag entirely, as it makes inspection of the rifle for clearing the line hard, maybe impossible. And once the line is declared safe, you can't touch the rifle again until told you can do so. If I was running the line, I wouldn't let you use them. No hard feelings, and with all due respect, but if you are really that worried about rain getting on the guns, lube them up well and clean them as soon as you get home. Even my wife's custom wood stocked 10-22, I lube all the metal and wax the stock and don't worry about weather too much.

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

​​@@bbainter7880 I sincerely appreciate the advice. The M16 plastic bags were more of a novelty thing, but if they don't work out it's ok. We do have shooting mats that will work as you described. Im not one to argue safety rules. I'm a stickler for it in my classes and I have instilled it into my boys. If they tell me not to use the bags I won't. I was just following the list of instructions on the Appleseed website that literally says bring a trash bag or towel. I don't see how a trash bag is more safe, but I always have some in my truck. I wasn't concerned about getting the rifles dirty or wet. I was just following instructions. I selected the M16 bags because I had them and thought it would be neat. I'm going by the list. If the instructors are dicks about it I can deal with it. If they are jerks about it, it will probably kill my boys desire to attend future Appleseed Events.

[@bbainter7880]

@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle I very much doubt they'll be jerks about anything. Dealing with first-time shooters in a group setting tends to make you very patient. You guys are already shooters so you will probably be the easiest people on the firing line. Have a great time out there and good luck to your sons.

[@robertfoote3255]

Nice looking stuff! Have a outstanding time with your family on the outing. 😉

[@0Asterite0]

Did appleseed finally lift the ban on 15-22s?

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

They did lift the ban. They still try to discourage their use though. They make you sign a waiver and put you at the right side of the firing line.

[@AppleseedNation]

@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle We welcome the 15-22. We encourage owners to be aware of & comply with the S&W Safety Bulletin. We strive to have headspace gauges at every event for 15-22 owners to check their rifles. :)

[@djinfwb]

Very informative! Thanks Chad!

[@dblshock]

Excellent, more on the 15-22's welcome.

[@TheMrwhite6199]

I have the old school model and its my home defense rifle setup just like yours except with linear comp instead

[@warrenharrison9490]

Thank you, very informative and interesting.

[@shura0107]

I took a Project Appleseed class during the Patriot Day weekend this year. It was a very informative class, not only in history, but in the basics of shooting a rifle well. I generally think I'm a decent shot, and I went with an open mind, but the class was humbling and just showed me that I have much more to go on the journey of being a rifleman. It was a difficult time during the class, as it was outside and hot and I wasn't shooting well, but it's one of those experiences where you look back at it fondly at all the things you learned and experienced. If anyone has a chance to attend a Project Appleseed class, I would strongly suggest you do so. Whether you are, do come prepared for the weather.

[@Sierra6491]

I have one of the original models from 2009 when they first came out. Great dedicated platform. I've since modified mine with a tacticool 22 barrel nut kit and front sight post so I can run 2 piece drop in handguards. Makes training very close to my ar15s with a FSP (which is all of them).

[@abolishtheatfandrepealthenfa]

I have a new lower en route. Thinking of using the old one with a spare upper to build a dedicated 22lr

[@charlesmckinley29]

“Paul Revere’s Ride” by David Hackett Fischer is the college text Appleseed bases its Heritage presentations on. About a third of the book is annotations,bibliography and appendices if you want to read the source material. He also wrote “Washington’s Crossing” and other titles.

[@oakwestplayer]

I’m thinking about picking one these up in pistol form! I went with a Tippman m4-22 rifle, for a plinker, and it’s been great.

[@ZERO_42069]

I just got a M&P 15/22, i cant wait to mod it, so far i just did a trigger swap but i want to do a form 1 so i can get the barrel chopped down to 10.5 so i can put my can on it

[@olfsamson]

The M&P 15-22 was also the first AR style rifle I bought for my son. Such a fun rifle to shoot, but even after the volquartsen extractor upgrade, it’s very finicky with ammo. I have found CCI’s AR Tactical 22LR ammo to be the least troublesome.

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

This is why I do some of the that I described in the video. It makes the gun less finicky.

[@olfsamson]

@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle Absolutely. I appreciate all of the info.

[@Semiautoautomatic_shaman]

Your wife knows what a MAWL is? That’s awesome lol 🤙🏼🤙🏼

[@seanoneil277]

This was great, Chad. You & your boys will have a great 2 days even if the weather is foul. If you haven't been to an Appleseed before, you should think about finding shorter magazines for the prone and seated/kneeling positions. Prone especially can be awkward with a 30rd. Black Dog Machine 10rd are perfect for prone & sitting. Appleseed's web info may say something about this, I don't remember. PS -- About your accurized 15-22s & the proof targets and the guy in the comments who asked about the CMMG conversion in a std 1/7 or 1/8 twist 5.56. Not a snowball's chance in hell that a 5.56 w/ CMMG conversion will send rounds in such tight clusters. Most folks struggle to make their AR shoot that well with ammo appropriate for its bore and twist rate.

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

Sean, Thank you for the advice. I did purchase nine, 10 round mags for the event. I figured the 25 rounders would be a problem. I like USGI 20 rounders when I'm shooting my centerfire AR's because they don't protrude as much. That gives us 3 magazines per person. Think we need more?

[@seanoneil277]

@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle You are welcome, I'm glad to repay some of the wisdom-sharing you've done for me. 3 mags of 10rd per person I think is fine for the transition stages / seated / prone. You can use std length mags for the standing stages/drills. I haven't seen a .22LR AR pattern magazine failure at any of the shoots I've gone to, but I have seen 10/22 rotary box mags get bunged up at Steel Challenge matches. The Black Dog mags are reliable, though, in my experience, and I would not go crazy with redundancy if I used those. Some folks talk about obsessively pre-cleaning .22LR ammo (remove mfr wax/lube) and then lightly oiling each round before loading into magazines, to keep the paraffin out of the magazine. I think if you're not using Armscor (the waxiest of them all) on a below-freezing day, you'll be fine.

[@j.e.pedersen9615]

This might be a long shot (for a .22lr) But it would be very nice if you would preform an autopsy of S&W M&P15-22. There are great bounch of them out there and a lot of youngster would learn a lot. Especially of what to look for i wear and tear and what to pay special attention to to prevent unsafe conditions.

[@lamerdan]

You are going to have fun at the Appleseed event.

[@garypio2241]

Great firearms , and video

[@Ryan.S924]

Must be nice to have a Cloud defensive light on your .22!!!

[@JDLPA]

For Appleseed, you're going to be removing the rear sling point a lot. The front never comes off. A quick detach system would be helpful in the rear. Otherwise you can wiggle the GI sling metal clip off of the sling swivel.

[@DD-sw1dd]

Those Larue triggers have been my standard for a long time in my AR’s. After shooting the Larue and the Geiselle SSA/ SSAE their is no way I can convince myself to spend Geiselle money on a trigger group again.

[@r1dv]

Did the crowning of the barrel improve accuracy?

[@tech6263]

Rebel gets fed like my cat I see😊.

[@MyLonewolf25]

These are absolutely gonna ruffle some FUDD feathers! I fuckin love it! Although I disagree on making the front sight thinner. ESP on a “combat” gun It can be very very very useful to start using that wider post to hold for wind holding the target 1/4 1/2 etc to one side or the other

[@steveninaz9576]

Thank you Sir

[@Jeff-hn7gi]

We also shoot these rifles my wife and I in our bullseye League they work great I consistently shoot 395s with them

[@astroguy8210]

Huzzah huzzah huzzah

[@Cope1024]

You answered question I've had since I bought my 15 a month ago; will the LA Rue fit. So far my only complaint with the rifle is that the take down and pivot pins are too tight.

[@claponclapoff6]

You mentioned lapping the barrels on these rifles. Can you do a video on lapping an AR-15 Barrel? Please

[@joenuclear4445]

Thanks!

[@ohreally...]

22's are absolutely a blast until they clog up with powder, and jam. I wish they would make 22's with a more efficient burning powder.

[@seanoneil277]

Then you'd pay a lot more per round. It's way easier just to pay attention and clean periodically.

[@DE24RIP]

I love mine ... I hate the stock trigger... What aftermarket trigger is available... Ty .. Dan.

[@GenX-Grampa]

I’m SO pissed off that I got my Granddaughter an M&P22 braced PISTOL for Christmas. It fits her perfectly and she absolutely loves it and has put close to 3k rounds through it but NOW the ATF wants to make her a “felon”! I hope that the new brace rule is overthrown so that my Granddaughter and all the other young kids learning to shoot with braced .22 pistols can stay out of prison!

[@michaelwoods6754]

Loved this video!!! That is one of my favorite 22’s. That is what I’m teaching my 6 year old daughter to shoot with and she has a lot of fun with it. I’d love to get that charging handle because I too wanted the radian and ran into the same problem. I even contacted them to see if they happened to have one anywhere but no luck. Where did you find your charging handle? Excellent rifles and excellent video. God bless American!

[@seanwhite304]

I shoot TX22 COMPETITION and Tippmann M4-22 Pro for STEEL CHALLENGE Matches. You guys are gonna have fun . No 2 ways about it . You guys should for sure try out Steel CHALLENGE. Super fun and you get a lot of reps . We shoot Steel CHALLENGE at TCSC in Thurmont Maryland.. Have an awesome time at Appleseed

[@alancarr3381]

Thanks for the video

[@steveninaz9576]

CMC makes 15-22 specific pins.

[@richc767]

Looks like you are well setup. Let us know how it goes.

[@tree_fool]

I used my 15-22 for my first Appleseed, didn’t go well. The receiver flexes when loading the sling, groups move all over the place. Hope yours do better than mine did

[@5.56Media]

Good stuff!

[@bergtechautomotive8886]

Need another son? I'm almost 50 but I could make it work....BTW: thank you for always getting orders out so quickly; even my tiny ones.

[@winstonpratt604]

I wonder if a arch angel stocked 10-22 would be as fun as my M&P 15-22

[@SANTRASFAMILI]

Mantap 👍👍👍

[@the1andonlySherlock]

Do you have any experience with the Tippmann M4-22s? I love mine and think it blows the 15-22 out of the water.

[@jasondupuis8688]

The Tippmann M4-22 does blow the 15-22 out of the water. Comments I get from customers who have owned both are 'The 15-22 feels like a toy compared to the M4-22, and the M4-22 is much more reliable'.

[@offrosterhandgun5295]

Awesome! Have you considered a BCM Mod 0 grip for the boys guns? Could possibly be a little better reach for them on the trigger from the grip. Really enjoy your content! Keep up the great work!

[@ssniadach012]

What are your thoughts of the Hammerli tacR1 .22 ,Thanks

[@nathanielrice6499]

I would like to have your opinion about bedding a volquartsen carbon fiber barrel in a 15-22 receiver. What formula of loctite or similar would you use if I wanted the ability to remove it to deep clean on rare occasion. since on this set up high heat cannot be used bc of materials barrel and upper are made of.

[@user-vs2xu9yt4v]

WOW, great video.I'm also an A/S instructor and like the way you think and prep.Good on you.Have you been to the event yet?If so how'd it go?Did everybody patch?Let us know.

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

Our event is in a few weeks. Assuming they allow it, my wife will be videoing some of the experience as we participate. We plan to make a follow up video. I would like the follow up video to be something to help promote Project Appleseed.

[@charlesmckinley29]

@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle there is a photo waiver. If people refuse to allow their photo to be taken to be used for publication they usually get a different color name tag. Please talk to your Shootboss Appleseed could use the publicity boost. Thank you.

[@HuckleBerry476]

You're gonna love it! Best class I ever took. Will definitely be going again! Enjoy boys!

[@NormanPOlt]

Please comment regarding ammo that was used, is used for practice and anticipated future competition? Great video, BTW! P.S. I really miss my cat!

[@chadrob8384]

I would love to do this with my boys. Are there any project Appleseed events in the Northern Nevada area?

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

I'm sure there are. There are Facebook groups for Appleseed by state and there's a forum. I would take to those places and ask around. It's a great organization.

[@danieldenure1546]

You forgot to cover the QD cups at the back of your lower receiver. Any concerns about the lower splitting?

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

Older Smith & Wesson 15-22's came with those QD cups I don't plan to use them.

[@awsomedude9111]

Would you recommend the S&W 15-22 over a CMMG conversion bolt? Which one is more reliable? Mil Spec bolt and parts?

[@SchooloftheAmericanRifle]

I would suggest a dedicated .22 upper over a conversion bolt. Conversions can block the gas system and cause the gun to blow if too much lead fouls the bore before cleaning. I still prefer the 15-22 over a dedicated upper.

[@seanoneil277]

CMMG conversion bolt in your regular 5.56 rifle will work but the accuracy is not good. For .22LR at least 1/11 twist (if you have a really old 5.56 barrel) and better 1/12 or 1/16 twist gives better accuracy/stability. It's less relevant at 25 yds than at 50+ but it's still not optimal. I've shot Rifleman w/ a T/CR 22 and with a dedicated .22LR upper on std AR lower. Between the two I tried a CMMG conversion kit and didn't like the accuracy. The CMMG bolt you get with the conversion kit is just like what you'd use with dedicated .22LR barrel, except you swap the collar. The .22LR collar is not too expensive. So you could try the conversion kit and then use the bolt, + swapped collar, for a dedicated .22LR upper. The S&W 15-22 will be far more accurate than a CMMG conversion in a 5.56 barrel with 1/7 or 1/8 twist. Either way the fundamentals you learn will be great. But to see how things really get optimized as your fundamentals improve, start with an accurate rifle. So either build a .22LR upper or buy the S&W. Or buy a 10/22. And figure out what ammo your rifle likes, from among what you can get locally (or quick enough online), so you improve your chances of seeing what your skills improvements are. I find Norma Tac-22 very reliable and pretty darned accurate. Eley Target also. But your rifle might like something else, plenty like CCI Mini-Mag. Be sure to keep your rifle clean. You'll be surprised how quickly the soot and wax/lube will build up when you're buzzing through drills on day 1 and AQTs on day 2. Also, I don't know about local to anyone else but where I am you can certainly use 5.56/.223 in your regular AR-15 for Appleseed. It's louder, and a lot more expensive ammo-wise. And a little harder than with .22LR when the times are tight -- like courses 2 and 3 of the AQT. Chad knows more than I do about the Q of Mil Spec and .22LR. AFAIK, the Ciener/Atchieson (what CMMG patterns its bolt after) bolt was used by Army for AR-15 training when the barrels were 1/11 twist. But Ciener bolts are hard to find and I don't think mechanically any different from CMMG.

[@raykettel1837]

@@SchooloftheAmericanRifle I thought conversion bolts were used with both AR15 uppers and dedicated 22LR uppers with one part difference on the conversion kit between the two. Many recommend just firing a few .223 rounds at the end of the day to clean out the gas port after using a conversion kit. A 2nd reason that many recommend a dedicated 22LR upper is they find the groupings from an AR15 barrel to be not very good with 22LR at 100 yards. The groupings may be okay at 50 yards. I have a conversion kit but no dedicated 22LR upper but would like to assemble one myself someday. I did buy a 15-22 recently due to low price of 388 from Lanbo's before 75 rebate.

[@IvoryPagoda]

Hey, new to the channel! Question for you: in the event that one did want to instal an aftermarket stock, is the stock mounting tube on the 15-22 commercial or milspec in diameter? Thank you and great video!

[@ДҜ74Џ]

What’s the purpose of the rear sight under the LPVO? Since it can’t be used. Amazing video as always.

[@kathyarmstrong649]

If the optic fails then all you need to do is remove it with its mount, flip up the rear sight, and you're GTG. No rummaging around trying to find your rear sight.

[@raykettel1837]

As Kathy stated, the rear sight along with the front sights are backup sights in case the optic fails. I think many use a quick disconnect mounts for optics so they can be quickly be removed if they fail. I think I heard in this video that QD mounts were not used. The QD mounts typically cost more and weigh more so some do not use them. In some competitions one may remove their optic during the competition if it fails but may not add one so having a backup sight installed, even if blocked by optic, can be useful to have pre-installed and sighted. This may be an option for 3 Gun. I don't know anything about Appleseed rules. I assume one may be able to pull out a tool to remove an optic during a competition so QD may not be needed. In a defensive situation one may not have the time to find and use a tool to remove a failed optic. Some like to use an offset open sight as a backup without the need to remove a failed optic. Some in 3 Gun use offset red dot rather than dial their LVPO down to 1X.

[@pbdye1607]

Any particular reason you prefer the 15-22 over the Tippmann M4-22?