15-Year-Old 2 Stroke Prodigy Chases 4 Strokes Around Legendary Track | RETURN OF THE RIPPER

[@reeb881]

Re-run... do you really even need to ask?!?! Man!! I really like this kid, and the fact that he rides the only 2 stroke amongst nothing but 4 strokes makes me like him even more!! 👏🏾💪🏾 #LongLiveThe2Stroke

[@999lazer]

Nothing better than a 2 stroke hero doing the business! :D I'll make sure to post the link here when the re-match goes online! Thanks for watching :)

[@ickukln]

FINALLY!!!! SOMEONE WITH BALLS AND SKILL TO TEACH A THUMPER (4 STOKE) WHATS UP!!!

[@opiestanborough4774]

we all should fund him to get rebuilt at dirt bike..... barney 57 , all over the place

[@briankennedy5578]

@ Ree B , I'd agree I like fact he's on a 2 stroke. Motocross is a 2 stroke sport. Next part I'm not sure what you're saying. But kinda getting the impression you think like most of the idiots here. 2 stroke is a big advantage. Anyone who says different has no clue what they are saying.

[@giannidimarco3805]

@@briankennedy5578 yep. Big gurgling exhaust and spraying dirt 15 metres in the air, doesn't mean faster dirt track speed. Moto x is high rev, power band racing. Only a 2 stroke is going to give you that. The only advantage of a 4 stroke in moto x racing is, less money and time spent on engine tear downs. Small price to pay for that exotic aroma of burning 2 stroke in the morning and that rattling grunt vibrating through your balls. Arrrrrhgggg love it! 😂😂😂

[@codywhittenton6144]

57 had to be nervous hearing that 2 stroke right behind him

[@opiestanborough4774]

the Ripper !

[@Alex-gp1fz]

I think a 4 stroke sounds way more intimidating than a loud mosquito sound

[@TaylorRobinson93]

57 would've known the rider on the 2t was more skilled to be able to keep up, which is enough to make someones will disintegrate

[@TheBootyWarriorll]

@@Alex-gp1fz I agree. I prefer a roar than a buzz.

[@Alex-gp1fz]

SOMEBODY SAY FREEDOM? Yeah exactly, you ever just gave it full throttle in neutral with the choke on in a garage? That’s one of the coolest sounds you’ll ever hear.

[@tomthomas4444]

My best friend owned the local Kawasaki shop back in the 70`s. We all rode 2 strokes including the 72 model H2 750 triple fastest damn stock bike we ever threw a leg over. We rode dirt bikes every weekend I have broke every bone I have once and most of them twice but it was always on a 2 stroke. 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣 I really enjoyed your video. LONG LIVE THE 2 STROKE. I am 73 years old and this has brought back fond memories of days gone buy. Thank you from a old has been.

[@philparis1247]

I feel you Tom! I’m 58. I sold my YZ 250 about a year ago and I miss it in a bad way. The older we get , the longer it takes to heal up! The last time or two my bike body slammed me it made me rethink things. I still ride street, but it not the same rush you get on a good 2-stroke!

[@jamesbaxterandthebeachball7005]

Music to an old man's ears.

[@mikehickman3635]

Am i only one who stood up and hollered "YES!" when he passed 57? My wife looked at me like wtf? #2strokecoldsmoke

[@tylerstilwell2281]

Mike Hickman you not alone my friend. I was so fucking anxious waiting for that moment. 😂

[@briankennedy5578]

@ Mike Hickman , I hollered " it's about fucking time " Thought it took him far too long. Sure they have improved the 4 strokes a bit. They still don't compare to a 2 stroke on a motocross track. Anywhere where you need acceleration 2 stroke is king. This younger generation is lacking in intelligence or something. It's not rocket science. It takes twice the displacement to compete. But they can't figure out what that says.......LMMFAO

[@pasqualescorese8516]

@@briankennedy5578 Oh my God I felt like I was at an AMA national I got so excited I'm yelling and screaming and I was at work everybody thought I was nuts I'll take I. khana energy since the last time I went to a national

[@glt6274]

Lol hell yeah and dude I was leaning in every turn with him . Lol we’re all nuts 🤪

[@pallypower610]

@@glt6274 buuuurrrrooop is all I hear when I sleep at night.

[@andya857]

I hope this young man will get great sponsor ship soon, if i had a team i would hire him in a heartbeat, so cool...

[@zackcarter1106]

He rides for a team rfx Ktm

[@andya857]

@@zackcarter1106 Right on!!!...

[@Pranksters420]

andy a l

[@Pranksters420]

andy a ooo9

[@Pranksters420]

andy a ok

[@craigsteinman9807]

That berm he railed at 6:27..was a thing of beauty..he is great but give it up. For 57 and 117..helluva group..spectacular racing👍

[@eschool1525]

Sweet jesus that was clean

[@itsmeforsure5475]

agree, all 3 of them were pretty close.

[@glt6274]

Yes. Yes it was 🤙🏻

[@barryquinn7922]

Yes Please, the attention and skill needed to keep a 2 smoke on the pipe against the torque and easier to control 4 smoker's, is a joy to behold.

[@mikehickman3635]

AMEN TO THAT BRO!!! 2 STROKE 4 LIFE!!!!

[@astromann7449]

Yes. Having ridden both, I hate four strokes. Four strokes are boring as he// to ride- even if your winning on one. Plus, Why twist a throttle when you can leave it open and just slip the clutch?

[@smokepeddler]

Two strokes are lighter and can carry more corner speed. 125's do take a lot of skill and shifting to keep em on the pipe. 250's are alot easier to stay on the band. 4t's just hook up so much better on the dirt.

[@astromann7449]

@@smokepeddler But comparing a similar bike with same rider..New but "7 year old tech" 2019 YZ 250 smoker to a new 2019 YZF 250 thumper, with same A rider with both 2T and 4T riding skills....the 2 smoker prob wins. They can only outrun with more CC's. I hole shotted a moto for fun on old WR400 with YZ engine mods due to displacement size in an all bike size vet class against 2 smoker 250's. It was not fair even on a "trail" bike. I kept the headlight on to make it more painfull lol. License plate too. Whole shot for first three laps till the jumps killed me on that soft pogo-sticked WR trail bike. no replacement for displacement. We need real displacement classes that allow both 4t and 2T competing together again with the SAME cc!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@smokepeddler]

@@astromann7449 cc to cc the 2t wins . But 125cc 2ts race against 250 4ts. 250 2ts run against 450 4t's. But, yes I agree that its pretty awesome that both engine types compete against each other. If enough 2 stroke interest comes back maybe Honda and the Japanese manufacturers will develop new 2t tech. I think the kid was riding a KTM 250 2t. Both KTM/Husqvarna make up to date 250 2 strokes.

[@stevevukich8958]

the boy's patient, creative, and smart...hope he keeps on flying; thanks fer the ride!

[@jasonneal]

I thought they said the 2strokes were slow? So it must suck that you go out and spend $10k on a bike and this little $4k 2stroke is eating them up. And they smell so good

[@dh1270]

jasonneal and sound good

[@SandraFerreira-me7xb]

The smell brings back so many great memories on the track

[@nike11397]

Its definitely not a 4 thousand dollar two stroke, I'll tell you that lol

[@jasonneal]

cinder hills then how much is it?

[@akuhelve]

@@jasonneal Like 6-9k

[@Pembo4]

genuinely shouted at my telly out dragging the 250f up that hill. and nice jumping in to the bombhole.. still never managed that myself. great racing

[@999lazer]

That was awesome, right!? Thanks for watching dude :D

[@glt6274]

I was so impressed when he pulled on that 4 stroke going up hill Wow !

[@masterdaveedwards]

I do! That young man is amazing...love the old school 2 stroke!

[@cjhudson419]

its a 2019 bike lol how is it old school. yall just fell for a marketing scheme like no other

[@masterdaveedwards]

I see your point...you are right but I sort of thought it was great to see a young racer riding on a bike that many don't ride nowadays...although I could he wrong haven't been following the scene very closely. Great ride non the less.

[@cjhudson419]

@@masterdaveedwards i concur. i love seeing an underdog come out on top. its all about thr rider. ive seen pros hop on a bored out 143 pit bike and dust dudes on 450s

[@miamills004]

Joel is so good and I would like to see the re-run he’s a top kid :)

[@999lazer]

He's the best... I'm sure we can do something about that rematch! ;-D

[@miamills004]

Joel is definitely the best 💯 and hopefully you can get the rematch sorted :)

[@JBlinky67]

That's because everyone secretly loves 2 strokes more than any 4 choker ever made.

[@matteo_syd7271]

What is? lol

[@goinhot9133]

Dangggggg. 🙌🏻 Ahhh, 15yrs old, when your just getting hair on your sack and you still bounce when you hit the ground. Well done!

[@JohnSmith-ws6jg]

Noah.Lytle312 😂😂 I just turned 60 sold my Harley Chopper I built, bought a new Kaw Z900 and a used 2011 KTM 300 XC-W Gnarly pipe, Recluse, Lectron, 2 stroke of course. The last dirt bike I owned was a Yamaha IT 465, it was an absolute monster back then but this KTM would destroy it!

[@fattsthebavarian6104]

Haha man im only 39 and feel like legos when i hit the ground anymore

[@elwoodblues8370]

Thanks for posting the power of the 2 strokes... awsome !

[@tonycarcaci5676]

2 stroke nation, baby! Bring on the re-Run! And big respect to the man capable of true power.

[@76guvnor]

I’ve watched Joel’s progression over the last 5 years. He has focus and bottle in equal measure. Good luck !!

[@werdevo6]

Yessss...this is what real racing is all about!!!

[@runnerfxabc8160]

Make 2 Strokes great again❤

[@pasqualescorese8516]

2 Strokes were always great Somewhere along the lines motocross riders started getting lazy and wallah a 4 stroke is born

[@OKFrax-ys2op]

Never two strokes have been-awesome since the beginning and never lost any glitter or gleam

[@rogershipman3578]

Jeez! Sitting at my computer I just caught myself leaning left and right into the turns with this kid! I'm 56 years old and I raced 2 strokes back in the '80s. Brought back memories!

[@cyclesrfun2001]

That was fun to watch. 4 well sorted out motorcycles 3 talented 4 stroke riders. And a young man who knows how to use the clutch. I look forward to watching more.

[@nunyurbyznes7611]

2 strokes ruled the day in 60, 70, and 80! and they were never slow especially when the created the mono shock and long travel suspension!

[@cjhudson419]

obviously its all about the rider....

[@dreadfog]

60’s were thumpers.

[@goldmx1229]

This is why I own a YZ 125 2019 after having all bikes you can imagine, 2 strokes it’s not for everyone, My Grandma could ride a 4 stroke.

[@cjhudson419]

yeah. imagine dudes having to use other gears than 3rd and 4th with an engine brake..... lazy

[@opiestanborough4774]

lol, true... but the old mopeds they rode back in the day were 2 smoke....

[@goldmx1229]

crystal stanborough 😆😆

[@kd9937]

Men ride 2-strokes. 4-strokes are just contributing to the sisification of America.

[@goldmx1229]

yabuta dame Ha ha ha ha Perfect point. 💪🏻💪🏻

[@morpius-nwo7385]

ive rode Motocross for 30 years and the 2 stroke bike is the ultimate motocross machine !! always has been it took millions of dollars and years for the 4 stroke to compete with the 2 strokes ...just think if they would have kept on spending the money on the technology for them and not diverted all the factory money to the 4 stroke ...the 2 strokes never died cause its the real deal !! long live the 2 stroke !!!!!

[@darrencooper4251]

Dude what a race showed the 4 strokes how it's done on a proper bike 👍😁

[@moronanticriss]

2 stroke for ever Great ride along!!

[@Professorclown]

Excellent seeing a two stroke rider up against it and conquering!

[@999lazer]

Yep, it certainly is Hawkstone park...how good does the bike sound ripping up the hill?!

[@Professorclown]

@@999lazer I missed the title credits on the intro, but knew it was Hawkstone park. I watched Jem Whatley, Dave Watson and other great Brits do battle in the world 250 championship, back in the early/mid 80s - ALL 2 strokes, back then, and yes, that kid's 2 stroke did sound awesome, ripping up 'Hawkstone hill'. Thanks for uploading a great, memorable clip!👍😎

[@marklowe7431]

Some of the best never give up riding I've seen for years. Brilliant.

[@danielshaffer1521]

DUDE!! Gotta see the re start!! This kid is amazing!! and thus why I went back to the 2-smoke!!!

[@greg657]

Give the rest of the field a 125 and watch him smoke them. Takes twice the rider to match a 125 with 250f's.

[@jaydensouthey6813]

Greg that’s why the fastest riders on any given day are the ones who just stepped off of a 125 ( as a good 125 rider) onto a 250f cause they have so much power so easy, but still have the 125 aggression and flow

[@richardthibault4890]

It's a ktm150sx I believe

[@briankennedy5578]

Actually the 125 class always turned faster lap times. The 250s have more power and are faster. But the,125s are lighter and handle better. Go thru corners faster. That was the facts for many years. Pretty sure that should still be the same

[@greg657]

@@briankennedy5578 250f's handle almost as good but the power difference for most riders is the deciding factor. The fun factor will go to the 125.

[@briankennedy5578]

But there's not all that power there. 2 stroke has the advantage. That's why the 4 stroke turds have twice the displacement. Takes that to keep up. Anyone choosing a 4stroke just needs to learn to ride instead of cluttering the track with turds. Already was too many moving odsticles.

[@caseywest5278]

Great eye and great lines, I’m forty now and been riding my whole life and couldn’t catch you at my best, good on you keep it up! Ride hard bro I am gonna keep my eye out for you, you got something special. 👍

[@kheldaree]

Beautiful !! Wanna see the rerun ofc 😍

[@kendallpaul1864]

125 in a 250 class this kid is AWESOME!!!! I want to see this kid go pro.

[@brunostudley2191]

Awesome riding, unreal power up the big hill wow!! Re-run please 👍🏻

[@pasqualescorese8516]

Love it... nothing sounds better than a 125cc 2 stroke on the pipe.. goes to show you it's not the Wand it's the wizard..

[@jamesstewart7224]

Makes it sing like a young bubba:) hawkstone is a power sapper

[@maxrpm2215]

Never under estimate a 125 with a light weight skilled rider on-board, that kid will keep getting faster and smarter.

[@kushlungs7426]

MaxRPM 150*

[@jrod238]

Remember James on a 125

[@maxrpm2215]

jarrod rodamer One of the best 125 riders on the planet, he made the impossible possible.

[@thomasvaughan6846]

@@kushlungs7426 it's a 125 not a 150. He's had the regulating body check his bike multiple times

[@jamesallen9269]

j Rod I cry

[@franko3006]

half the cubes. I bet 4 bangers have cam jobs and bombed. long live the 125 smoker. talented kid

[@owennicholls4327]

He was stalking that leader... great lines taken by the young lad .. very cool..

[@swanerz211]

This footage doesn't do the hills justice at all. Rizzi is defo a rider to watch for the future. Keep it ripped

[@JRichardson711]

How about those 2 HARD and SHARP cuts to the inside at 6:34 and 6:38, fighting for every inch. I see why he likes the 2 stroke. That was amazing.

[@davebaird4550]

thats the secret!! inside line- take the inside line where he can.

[@68mustang90]

That's a dam fine ride by the young fella! And that two stroke awesome 👍🍻

[@TheKenzaya]

So sick!! Like an angry ass swarm of wasps giving those 4 strokes hell!!! Love it

[@graysinclair6572]

🙋‍♂️I want to see the re-run! And thanks for posting. This kid is exciting to watch. Brraapp!! 🤙

[@andyt7919]

I've raced both 2 and 4 strokes that kids got talent, I'm a big believer of its not the bike it's the rider , this lads going to go far nice racing man respect 👌

[@johnnyrebellion8672]

4 stroke engines are a solution to a problem that never existed.

[@markjarman7819]

Two stroke is far better simples. Great riding style and thinking 👍

[@pasqualescorese8516]

The best thing about this wonderfully talented kid is he is riding A bike that has 38 horsepower in a window of about 3000 rpm at the top of the power curve compared to the rest of the field that has at least 15 more horse power and enormous amount of torque from idle to revel limiter and he still kicked ass not only you see a talented rider with the statement he madeIs very powerful

[@frederickwhite6416]

Brings back some great old times. Bought an XR75 the year it came out. The next year YZ 80s blew my doors off. Bought a YZ and what a blast. Then bought an RM125 in 78 or 79 what a blast. Bumped up to a 250 and ran out of money. 2 or 3X I thought he over committed, saw those ruts and man getting cross rutted was great for launching yourself. I'd love to be 16 again. Fun ride man. That sound just gives me a chubby.

[@joerglasch8255]

Re-run! I'm a retired 4-stroke fan. But who the hell is that? Amazing. 15 years old? And pushing 100% without any bigger mistakes. Someone hast to call Husqvarna Mattighofen! Greetings from Germany

[@patsellars5658]

Awesome, does it get any better than this? How can it! love the way this young fella changes his lines and how he pressure's the other riders, great stuff! looking forward to the re-run. Thanks for making these fantastic vids!

[@BYYoseph]

jesus that is the most beautiful track I've ever seen, makes me wish I still rode dirt bikes. I caught myself leaning in my chair lol

[@MONKMIKE]

That was a damn good run !! Great job Joel cuz you dftly ride that 2 stroke very well. 👍👍😎

[@glt6274]

Awesome !

[@ziptiejedi5658]

Imagine if he was on a factory prepped 2 stroke. He would be on the podium every race. He has a ton of talent to keep up with the 4 strokes. I grew up on 2 strokes and man I miss seeing them in supercross. Thank god for Redbull straight rythm.

[@christopherkeiser2872]

Love that sound. Man he sure is ripping that track up

[@999lazer]

Nothing beats it!

[@christopherkeiser2872]

Nope, nothing.. I love the feeling of the powerband kicking in and it launches you in the stratosphere

[@chriscrezz1312]

Get the rerun on here now!!! 2 smokers rule👊👊

[@johannijhof3538]

The fourstroke could only ride one line on the track, while the 2-stroke chased him switching lines like he wanted to. The 2-stroke is obviously a lot more agile than the 4-stroke.

[@David-mo3tv]

2stroke sounds beautiful

[@ianz28]

I was so frustrated through the first half of the video! All I hear is the damn thump of the 4 stroke.... Then he passed him. Ahh! There is the sweet music of my youth! (2-Stroke Quads but I had zero talent!)

[@jetdr]

4 stroke was starting to feel the heat from the smoker. Dude can ride!!

[@dynaordie8083]

Excellent technique.. great style. Reppin the 2 stroke!

[@SeanHollingsworth]

Starting at 3:15. . . Excellent late braking into the outside of a turn. Gained so much ground in such a short time.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

Looks like they are pulling him a bit up the hill, (but still made a pass there). I am guessing they have about 5hp on him. Is he running the 144cc top end kit? I hope he sticks with the 2-stroke if he goes pro. There are one or two of them in the nationals.

[@graysonjohnson7637]

Let’s see the re run, can’t wait to see him ripping up the track! Wish I was that fast on the track

[@jeffboatwright7738]

That was one bad ass track. Jumps we're a Lil tame. Love yo see restart

[@719angler]

This a 125 sx or the 150sx cause it rips like a 150 but this gents also pretty quick so...?

[@TheImtoomuch]

Heck yeah - two strokes for life!

[@anthonyminggia1105]

Awesome!!!!! yes let's see the rerun!!

[@999lazer]

If you can believe it the re-match is even better!

[@graysinclair6572]

999lazer Well bring it on please sir!

[@bringruckus7900]

Been watching some Ronnie Mac berm blasting tips huh?

[@graysinclair6572]

bring ruckus 69 times! 🤙

[@quadcityracing]

Just bought a 125sx 2 days ago, just for fun.😁

[@KosmicHRTRacingTeam]

Sick!!! Why do I own a 4t but find myself rooting for the 2t? I guess so many good memories growing up with the 2?

[@ecannon649]

That was fun to watch. 2 stroke TTMFF!

[@VISION2REALITY1]

Let's see it!!!

[@999lazer]

It'll be coming soon! :D

[@chrisgarland9381]

Omg that kid can ride! What an awesome video. I would love to see more!

[@mikeraskin7319]

Amazing that 125 is keeping up in the straights because that dirt looks pretty soft I would have thought the 250f's would just destroy a 125.👍 Cool vid

[@red.100boo2]

2stroke for life Sydney Australia mate...2770

[@paddocolts3132]

O Yeah yeah, the druitt!

[@DesertDirtRider]

Wow! truly sick riding.

[@anthonykottke7877]

Kid is fast, id like to know what class this is?

[@duckkarmadk]

2019 British Motocross Championships at the historic Hawkstone Park. Youth division. He won by the way and lies 3rd in the championship, 1 point behind the leader 👍

[@astromann7449]

Nothing like ripping "on the pipe" on any 1995 year forward two stroke. Its twice as fun as any four stroke can be.

[@richatkinson7228]

Man I miss that sound . Bring back the 2stroke.

[@christopherkeiser2872]

Awesome riding,.my mouth is still on the floor. Its pretty cool that you can race against 4 strokes with a 2 stroke, please correct me if I'm wrong but is it call open class? I forget lol

[@kayn3634]

Christopher Keiser this is probably 250 class I think so he is on a 125

[@christopherkeiser2872]

@@kayn3634 thank you

[@augusto5266]

Insano! Two Strokes for win 💪

[@itsmeforsure5475]

Great ride, thanks for posting! You were definitely closing on the leader. Another lap or 2 and you would have passed him. I hope you got him on the restart.

[@ExploringCabinsandMines]

Video description must not explain it for some people..... bike year type size ?

[@radicalroy27]

Fantastic ride mate 🤘👊👌 Awsome to watch

[@scottbaker4314]

@ the 2:16 mark you can really hear that 2 stroke bogging down, 15 years of reasons but I still love a 2 stroke better

[@davebaird4550]

nearly ALL tracks in there design cater to thumpers. Lets see then hang it out together on a pre 4 stroke style track-- This tiddler can be totally overhauled for the cost of a aftermarket ti pipe on the thumper. The extreme costs of state of art thumpers has really hurt the priviteers. darned same too-- pardon the spelling--- d.b.

[@EarthSurferUSA]

There is a Dave Baird near Grand Rapids Michigan with a very very nasty sand track that I rode on once or twice over a decade ago. You by chance?

[@davebaird4550]

@@EarthSurferUSA no , i live in ephrata,wa. single track rider up in the cascade range of mountians.-- earth surfer? e.s.p? you the fellow that builds the great 1/5 th scale engines? I bought one of your pistons- cut skirt-modded area on part of dome-- daves deal of the day-- ddm racing---

[@aaryansharma9334]

Come to India... You'll get a SX 65 2008 totally stock for $7700

[@lappieslabuschagne2428]

Strokers are tops ! Rode them for many years. 4strokes have to be at least double the cc's or they won't be even in the picture . If you tune the stroker , it's even worse for the 4stroke riders . Good riding dude .

[@cashvipes]

117 was hanging on for a bit then the he just went jump to jump so smooth and just chopped him great video!!

[@jeffflick2573]

Need to see the rerun of this race. The smoker was close to winning!

[@angry-al]

Yuuuup... Show it please... Braaap !!!

[@waltinator1808]

Anyone can ride a 4-stroke🎮 but it takes finesse to ride a two-stroke🕹 properly well done young man

[@maxshell1610]

Let’s get this re run up and racing. That kid is stupidly fast man! Top guy 🤟🏻💨

[@jaimepalacios788]

Re-run re-run!

[@GixxerKris]

Only people who think two strokes are slow either never rode one or can’t ride one. Put a great rider on whatever bike he rides best on and send it, that’s what I think.

[@chicagoui9299]

Two strokes are angry and violently fast!!! Only old guys in the 80’s/90’s when I rode the most would ride four strokes. Nothing better than a great running buzz bomb!!!

[@chicagoui9299]

Reason people hate on two strokes: they don’t know how to keep it on the pipe. You do that. You fast.

[@HeathLCK]

That's kids fitness and talent is superb. For the love of the 2-stroke!

[@jasonfalcon4052]

I thought I was the only 125 prodigy! Although in 07’ I smoked Susuki 450 racer while I was on a 07’ KTM 250 SX which Ken Rockzen blew his 50,000 dollar Pro Curcit motor from a deep mud hole about 90 feet long and two/three and a half deep sloshing mud straight at the end of the straight away! I couldn’t believe that he was next to me because we were around 90 to 100 m,p,h w,f,o which I got lucky and wheelied through and he just sank and blew the whole motor.Two Strokes are faster than four strokes! You just have to gear them high and ride the hell out of them! But a whole lot more fun. Plus if you stall the motor you can easily restart like nothing even happened which if you stall a four stroke then your pretty much done for a moto from so many people passing you as you are trying to restart! In 07’ I have to say that those factory guys are fast from all there resources. Even though I played with him till the last 4/5th lap.