Pro on 125cc 2 Stroke vs Amateur on 450 4 Stroke!

[@StevenBatis-eh7gs]

Absolutely awesome!. I’ve always felt it was more rider than bike. Look at Magoo at the De Nations. When I was was younger I took a 10 year old 250 2-stroke stacked up on a line of modern 450 4-strokes. Took a trophy home that day with a big 1 on top.

[@999lazer]

Cheers, thanks for watching

[@c4r5on88]

Always fancied going to Doncaster moto parc. Looks brilliant ❤

[@markhooper5824]

That was brilliant. Ed was exceptional on that KTM.👍

[@999lazer]

Thanks 👍

[@leonrawls892]

Go back and look up what Hannah did at the MXDN on a 125!!!

[@mrsmith4662]

Just shows how quick & nimble the small KTM is (plus he's a good rider).

[@jamesadams2334]

The 125 every time. A 450 only has an advantage on long straights. The 125 is much quicker in the turns and as the old saying goes, the race is won or lost in the turns.

[@tuckerjones_427]

Debatable

[@gpw203]

Back in the day I always raced 500's (85,86,87 CR's) until a mate leant me his CR125 for a practice day and it was a complete revelation, so in 88, my last year of competition I rode a Honda CR125!!

[@Jon-nz3dm]

I’m 6’4”, 180lbs, is a 125 2 stroke too small for me? I’ve been thinking a 250 4 stroke bike would be the best for learning. I already ride street bikes, but haven’t ridden a dirt bike since like 2004 on a kx85

[@brantisonfire]

@@Jon-nz3dm I'd say a 250 four-stroke would be best. You can learn to shift correctly and the powerband will be more forgiving, especially with more low-down torque. It's key, like what was said in the video, to shift correctly to keep a two-stroke in its powerband.

[@muhine]

@@Jon-nz3dm I think that a 125 would be better, because you need to put more effort into riding it. You may learn faster and be a quicker rider later if you decide to upgrade

[@adampittman508]

Nice to hear somebody throwing the drone pilot and props. You don’t ever hear that it’s not easy catch in that footage with the drone.

[@ChanseMartin222]

Sweet! You guys are living the dream!

[@jeffwhite9392]

Stood in me KTM dealership 18 months ago eyeing off the 450 but sensibly purchased the 125 , sight unseen and still on the boat . Zero regrets ...

[@999lazer]

they are a lot of fun :)

[@jamesadams2334]

@@999lazer IMO, the most fun mx bikes on the market.

[@adamevo6]

The sound of a 125 on full throttle ❤

[@gibboj]

i like these`s keep them coming

[@999lazer]

thanks , will do :)

[@azuolass2755]

Nice video I love that you now ride in the video💪

[@999lazer]

Thanks dude! :-) I've really enjoyed riding more this year!

[@paulbudford]

That 125 sounds so sweet with a pro rider on board.

[@999lazer]

100% thanks for watching

[@thomashoglund3472]

Stick to the 2 stroke Max it seems like the 450 is little havie on a tight track like that. Great video and a great reace!!!!

[@MrJokkoma]

Tight track? Omg that track looked huge to me😂. But I agree, 450's feel so heavy even compared to a 250f. I'd say a 125 probably brings out the best of a rider , such as good cornering, while the 450 does the opposite, at least when it comes to me as an amateur rider.

[@RobsNeighbor]

Love the comparison videos

[@999lazer]

Thanks:)

[@EVO1087R]

Amateur always loses. I think you guys did a video of a pro on a supermini 104-112cc and the pro still won. Head to head experience beats $$,$$$ or cc. You should do head to head of pit bike pro vs amateur on 450.

[@EVO1087R]

Head to head 114cc vs 450f pro vs semi pro kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXOtqICqeLl9ec0si=G2BOkj63kCo3m4ks

[@gee_on_wheels]

What is everyone's favourite track? Mine is leisure lakes mx Southport because they are the only ones to let me ride because I am a wheelchair user

[@garethbuttery8996]

Great track that. Gets real gnarly too.

[@jamesadams2334]

So great that you're racing and in a wheelchair! I too am not quite as immobilized as you but I can't walk without a cane or some days even a walker, but racing is my greatest joy. I've raced for 51 years now and just can't stop. Good luck and never quit!

[@ragnarironspear1791]

Brilliant as always 👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧

[@999lazer]

thanks :)

[@MOTOSYMOTOCICLTETAS]

I have been watching your videos for a few years from Guadalajara, Mexico. I have 2 questions: 1: At what point in the 3 laps did you feel that the 450 was wearing you out and quickly taking away your energy? 2: Do you think that on the 250, which you trained for a whole month, you would have done better than with the 450? Best regards.🔥🔥🔥

[@999lazer]

i know I wasn't riding the 450 to anywhere near its full potential, so pretty sure i would have been faster on the 250f. I always have it in the back of my mind a 450 can bite back pretty hard if you get it wrong so probably ride it in a more reserved way. Thanks for watching :)

[@MOTOSYMOTOCICLTETAS]

@999lazer thank you for your answer.

[@MS215_]

Nice test. What I'd like to see is difference in rider weight. So maybe somehow add 10 kg to a rider/bike and report what difference it does make on the track.

[@jamesadams2334]

not as big of a difference as you think. The 450 is still a barge.

[@kevinmee3501]

Nice one Max, you're definitely faster now in your riding , great video as always, keep it up mate.

[@999lazer]

I've really enjoyed getting a bit more seat time in this year! Thanks for the support and as always mate :-)

[@KetSM630]

Now put Max on the 125 and see how long it takes for the 450 to catch him 😄

[@jamesadams2334]

I feel sure that it would be longer than you think.

[@devidpintus4240]

Amazing!!!!!!!!

[@scotta.weaver7299]

What are the inside lines like on that track? I think on the 450 I'd try to shorten the track hitting insides more, but maybe you thought about that and decided otherwise. Im old and slow though.

[@garagecedric]

Pros are fast on everything, ive seen what an ex pro could do at a classic meet on a vintage 50CC MX bike, weekend warriors beware 😅

[@joshuaevans-l7l]

What real race is 3 laps? Dont get me wrong max rode that thumper as hard as he could but even a easy club event is 5 laps every race, was nice to hear that 125 sing tho! And he would have had me in 2 laps 😅 well done to everyone riding

[@999lazer]

cheers :)

[@WeirD_StupiD_VideoS_]

Звук 125 радует уши. Отличная гонка! Привет из Казахстана!

[@tessbushell5489]

Sorry Max but we all wanted the 125 to win of course 👍🏻

[@jeffersonmoreira9484]

The sponsor, "Putoline" the word "puto" in spanish has a curious meaning XD i wrote the meaning but is not necesary. I'll finish the video, you're awesome guys 👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@999lazer]

haha ,Thanks for watching :)

[@BrianPhelpsV2]

I don't know about you but these damn cars need to stop LYING to us. WTF!

[@demisedemise]

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[@5tevenH]

Max is no amateur on the 450. I ride a ktm 250exc tpi 2022 and that guy would have left me for dust on an mx track. Can we get a real amateur next time?

[@fugginrambo]

He's absolutely an amateur, not being disrespectful whatsoever either.

[@999lazer]

For sure, i'm not embarrassed to admit it i'm weekend warrior through and through. My aim making the vids is to make them as relatable as possible for the every day rider :-) Thanks for taking the time to watch dude!

[@IQmusic311]

putting a beginner on a 450 is diabolical

[@tonypalmer7779]

Your no amateur max you had way too much of a head start but Ed was on you great race regardless

[@MOTO_ATB]

yes Absolutely it's About the Rider and not the machine. but when the rider has the same lever talent or almost like The Pro. i think the one in the ktm will be limited by His Machine

[@jamesadams2334]

Depends on the track' There are many tracks out there where a 125 is faster than a 450. A 125 doesn't limit you as much as you think. When I was racing vintage in the 125 class, I was finishing between 3rd and 5th place. When I was racing my age group, you can ride any size bike that you want, and I stopped riding the open class 20 years ago and started riding a 125. Most of my competition are on 250, 400 or 450 two strokes and I'm on the 125. I rarely finish off the podium and almost always get the hole shot. when everybody lets off for the first turn, I'm usually a bike length behind them. I just hold it on a little longer, go into the turn with line selection and can get on the gas a little faster than them because they are still fighting their power. I love racing 125s, they are so much fun.

[@css0076]

The audio sounds like a Honda Civic versus a Ford Powerstroke.

[@jamesadams2334]

and.............the Civic is faster.

[@jameswick8358]

I say it’s not the bike or the rider but the track conditions mostly couse some tracks you can go fast and jump triples and outher are slow short courses that require you to do the same all though if you a novice agenst a pro it’s clear who is gonna win

[@999lazer]

I know if this was a deep sandy track the results would've been a lot different for sure! Thanks for watching James :-)

[@johngray722]

its also eds track aswell

[@999lazer]

Yeah, it's safe to say he has some fast lines dialed! lol Thanks for watching John

[@mandrakejake]

Guessing the pro. Just started the video

[@allgood6535]

Should start at the same time

[@jamesadams2334]

no contest.

[@ОктайМехмедов]

👍👍👍👍

[@theriderdtm8650]

Nasib baik dia pakai 125,kalau dia pakai 250 dah lama dia dapat kejar 450 tu ✌🏻😊

[@fox1nz]

Ruff

[@dannygamble7033]

Go max doing it for the weakend worriers 😂 me again my crf250 going to cost to much to rebuild and not worth doing what happens to the cheaper bikes you buy to do some or you're other comparisons videos do you sell them on

[@999lazer]

we do borrow a few bikes , not always buy them. we only really keep the special bikes that we build like the meg, kong,yzilla,etc

[@dannygamble7033]

​@999lazer oh I thought you brought some like the cheep crf250 you raced and the the Chinese bikes and stuff lol 😆

[@Krazilegz89]

You're really slow onna 450 😆

[@PeterArmstrong-u4r]

A very slow pro

[@5tevenH]

First!

[@999lazer]

Thanks for watching dude!

[@Andy-co6pn]

Need to have them on the track at the same time , only chance the 450 will have is to pass on the straight and hold the pro up in the corners

[@jamesadams2334]

That is another reason that the 125 is fast. You ride mostly different lines on a 125 than you do on a 450 so usually racing head-to-head the 125 is not in the way of the 450 and the 450 is not in the way of the 125.

[@paulelm4645]

Why is the 125 a 25 models and 450 is 24 model

[@999lazer]

nothing better :)