16 - "Is Obedience Legalism if You're Saved by Grace?" - Doug Batchelor - SCM 2017

[@sheriwillingham6875]

This was very well put. The Holy Spirit really spoke truth through you. Amen Pastor. Thank you for this. God Bless.

[@nshutifreddy9279]

This message was so profound ! Thank you Pastor Doug

[@theresanixon8462]

Good Night Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus, thank God we're saved by Grace in Christ. Happy Sabbath be Bless always.

[@rtineigrihms8422]

To be under the Law is to obey under the fear of punishment. To be under grace is to love Jesus and wanting to please him because his commands are holy and loving towards us.

[@DavidKing-qd3sp]

to be under law is to be under the condemnation of the law, and in another context it can be - to be under the law of sin which means the law stimulates us to sin, Romans 7.5...not under the power of the sinful nature...so your view is not correct

[@ebbygshreve9577]

​@@DavidKing-qd3sp The law doesn't stimulates anyone to sin. The only purpose of the law is to point out sin. Ro.7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Man has been under grace ever since Adam and Eve sinned. All of the people in the Old Test.were under grace just like we are. WE could keep the law perfectly for the rest of our life, but we would still be required to die for our sins before we keep all of the law perfectly. Our only hope is thru grace. Grace doesn't allow us to continue in sin, it covers our previous sins. Paul said without law there is no sin. If there is no sin then there is no need for a savior, so Jesus died in vain. Is that what you are saying? that without law we don't need a savior.? Ro 2:13 -(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Read James chapter 2 then read Rev chapter 20. Need to go back and watch Pastor Doug's message, and quit listening to the Sunday preachers because they don't know nor understand the Holy Scriptures

[@ebbygshreve9577]

RTI Neigihm--The law doesn't stimulates anyone to sin. The only purpose of the law is to point out sin. Ro.7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Man has been under grace ever since Adam and Eve sinned. All of the people in the Old Test.were under grace just like we are. WE could keep the law perfectly for the rest of our life, but we would still be required to die for our sins before we keep all of the law perfectly. Our only hope is thru grace. Grace doesn't allow us to continue in sin, it covers our previous sins. Paul said without law there is no sin. If there is no sin then there is no need for a savior, so Jesus died in vain. Is that what you are saying? that without law we don't need a savior.? Ro 2:13 -(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Read James chapter 2 then read Rev chapter 20. Need to go back and watch Pastor Doug's message, and quit listening to the Sunday preachers because they don't know nor understand the Holy Scriptures

[@ebbygshreve9577]

@@DavidKing-qd3sp No I am not wrong. You say the law points out the standard of righteous living for the christian. Is that not pointing out what is sin? The law points out sin so we can avoid it and live a christian life. Without law there is no sin and if there is no sin then there is no need for a Savior, so Christ died in vain. If the Law could have been done away with then why did Jesus have to die on the cross to save us from breaking the law, why didn't he just do away with the law that way he wouldn't have went thru all of the agony he went thru. Like I said need to quit listening to the Sunday preachers because they DON'T understand the Holy Scriptures. You say read Ro 7:5 well go ahead and read the rest of it Ro.7:7, & 8, and how about Ro.2:13, Ro.3:31, Ro 6:1-2 Ro 7:12 & 22, Mat 28:19 & 20, James chapter 2, and finally Rev chapter 20. Rev. 18:4.

[@ebbygshreve9577]

@@DavidKing-qd3sp I thought I explained it very clear but you just don't understand what you are saying yourself. You may not have said it was done away with but you did insinuate that it was and that we don't have to keep it anymore . Yes I agree with you that the law is a transcript of God's character, and to do away with the law means you would have to do away with God's character which is impossible. You don't understand scriptures, that is not what that is talking about. It is saying that works along will not save us, in other words we cannot work our way to heaven, just like faith without works is dead, James 2:20, works without faith is dead. Ro.2:13. Read Rev chapter 20. Like I said before you have been deceived by the Sunday preachers.

[@rufusrandeniya6181]

Thank you Jesus for being merciful to us unworthy sinners.

[@constancestinger5976]

Thank you Pastor Doug for preaching the real truth. The Lord bless you and keep you.

[@sianapapalii1939]

To God be the glory MARANATHER AMEN

[@jerryvegoika6089]

Praise God for truth, very plain and simple. God bless you Pr Doug! This is my no.1 favorite subject.

[@davidstelter6154]

What an incredible message. Thank you Brother

[@AntonioRodriguez-gt4ky]

that was so beautifully preached. thank you

[@Giftedtopraise]

Another powerful, yet beautiful sermon of God’s grace-blessed~ :)

[@regatheringofisraelblogcha126]

BEAUTIFUL LESSON!! NEED MORE PASTORS LIKE YOU!! PRAISE JESUS FOR YOUR ZEAL AND WISDOM AND POWERFUL TEACHINGS FOR THOSE WHO LOVE JESUS!! AMEN PASTOR!!

[@LosehinasTocaLife]

My favourite Pastor. Bless you Pastor Doug

[@aenigmatica8]

Great sermon!

[@byronbeckett8211]

I love this sermon God bless you pastor please have me in ur prayers

[@nicholasjones77990]

Keep your faith in Jesus and you will be blessed!!!

[@partlysimpson5154]

How Is obidience legalism? We are born again, new spirit and this is just what my heart desire to be obedient, I cant help, Lord has transformed me

[@kayrush9834]

100% AWESOME MESSAGE

[@aprilroberts33]

Amen amen amen amen been there done that the Lord took me away from drugs and the lawlessness that I'm fighting with right now my Lord Jesus Christ my true living God is with me and he will guide me he is God to me he's still molding in my life he's my rock without him I am nothing amen thank you Lord thank you my Lord for not giving up on the center like me

[@aprilroberts33]

I feel like I'm being selfish

[@scott7746]

If you claim to serve a King then nothing can be called legalism because a kings decree is final.

[@Owaj]

Very timely message.

[@toddkeeran3479]

I will put my trust in the Father through Jesus. Pray that our flight will not take place in winter or on the sabbath. Ask the Father if his teachings were spoken through Jesus. All the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments.

[@TheBenevolentDictatorship]

“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord’ and not do what I tell you?” -Jesus

[@samsungblu1023]

Amen HALLELUJAH. What A Magnificent Message. I Am So Blessed Listening To Pastor Doug. 🤗🙏

[@murrayent1able]

Beautiful lessons. (Grace's) If a cop pulls you over for speeding and let you go with a warning under grace do we have the right to just speed out again? No!

[@daveyofyeshua]

Therefore *no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight* by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

[@okparachinwekele1702]

Thank you sir

[@regatheringofisraelblogcha126]

GREAT LESSON!!

[@aprilroberts33]

Pastor I do understand we love Jesus because he first loved us but I have to admit it breaks my heart to know that I love him because he died for me I'm taking this personal I love him because of what he did for me and in my heart it breaks my heart for what he did for me knowing I am a sinner I love him because he first loved me I take that personal and I think we should all take that personal we love him because he first loved me a sinner that should really touch everybody's heart if you think about it but we can want me when I continue to send everyday we love him because he first loved me when in reality we should love him first because of what he did for us for me and I take that personally it breaks my heart

[@nothingfancyfishing2174]

Oh, do Seventh Day believe that worship on Sunday is the mark of the beast?

[@jeaneenshaw]

December 17, 2019 AMEN!

[@davidnoonan7893]

Wow, how much our worlds changed since your post… even more signs pointing to His soon return🙌🏼

[@tetupuarikitavai9760]

SAD TO SAY MANY CHRISTIANS WILL BE LOST BECAUSE THEY LISTEN WHAT THE CHURCH LEADERS SAY YOU ARE SAVE BY GRACE ONLY WITHOUT THE LAW YES JESUS KEPT THE LAW AS AN EXAMPLE AND GIVES US POWER

[@ebbygshreve9577]

John 7:23 | If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Ro.7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Man has been under grace ever since Adam and Eve sinned. All of the people in the Old Test.were under grace just like we are. WE could keep the law perfectly for the rest of our life, but we would still be required to die for our sins before we keep all of the law perfectly. Our only hope is thru grace. Grace doesn't allow us to continue in sin, it covers our previous sins. Paul said without law there is no sin. If there is no sin then there is no need for a savior, so Jesus died in vain. Is that what you are saying? that without law we don't need a savior.? Ro 2:13 -(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Read James chapter 2 then read Rev chapter 20. Need to go back and watch Pastor Doug's message, and quit listening to the Sunday preachers because they don't know nor understand the Holy Scriptures and they lead people astray.

[@carollattboudere4985]

Amazing 🙏🙏🙏

[@julianestrada8364]

The most on point pastor I’ve come across on KZbin. Also check out Dave Hunt, Derek Prince, and Gino Jennings

[@ebbygshreve9577]

Sunday preachers don't know nor understand the Holy Scriptures. They lead people astray with all of their fake messages. Just look at all of their teachings each one has a different version of the same scriptures, that along should convince anyone that they don't understand scriptures.

[@julianestrada8364]

Ebby G Shreve I know. Have to be like Bereans and search scriptures daily. Acts 17:11.

[@ClassyElegant]

@@ebbygshreve9577 Search "religious spirits"

[@feliciabosch8110]

Amen

[@Lola-uf2ks]

They dont like the Sabbath, thats the reason why they say the law is done away with

[@sianapapalii1939]

AMEN ABSOLUTELY true

[@petergouvignon8048]

who doesn't like the sabbath?

[@petergouvignon8048]

@@sianapapalii1939 who doesn't like the sabbath?

[@listenup2882]

@@petergouvignon8048 The world and ninety-five percent of christians.

[@petergouvignon8048]

@@listenup2882 95% is that's a factual statement where do you find that from?when you say the world not sure what you mean? why doesn't the world like the Sabbath.

[@malcolmnoel9044]

Obedience is NOT legalism. Obedience is the way you demonstrate to God that you love him. ..Jesus said so. See John 14:15.

[@stephenratemo1346]

Obedience is choice btw God vs evil one.they obeyed and did whats right

[@throwingpearls4601]

...Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. John.8.11KJV The person who keeps on sinning is guilty of not obeying the Law of God. For sin is breaking the Law of God. 1John.3.4NLV In other words, you are forgiven(grace); go keep my commandments(obedience)

[@kennthashby6351]

This was good teachings. Keep the commandments not the law had rules and regulations over 600 of them Jesus fulfil the law when He hung on the cross and died and said it is finished the law was finished we must still keep the commandments , many of us get the laws and commandments mixed up. or try to mixed some of the law with the commandments.

[@patriciacole3892]

The are confusing to the law of ordinances with the 10 commandments !

[@thomasjdavid688]

no, Pastor Doug, it is an action of faith.

[@stevenjohnfoster8785]

death reigned from Adam to Moses

[@beatricepineda510]

Steven John Foster Iy would be great if you elaborated more

[@stevenjohnfoster8785]

@@beatricepineda510 meaning that the sacrificial system was not enough until it was fulfilled by Christ … this is why He says Cursed is any man that hangs from a tree or if you live by the law then you are judged by it ..at least that's what I get from this portion of scripture its to do with Christ taking dominion/authority over the Earth back from Satan...…... Happy Sabbath Day!!

[@beatricepineda510]

Steven John Foster Thanks for the explanation hope you also had a blessed Sabbath!

[@TimpBizkit]

So many people want the sin without the hell. I am not surprised these teachings have caught on. I am depressed though.

[@mikemanners1069]

Seventh Day Adventists do not believe in the Rapture, Salvation by Faith alone through Grace, or a literal burning Hell. They also require their members to keep the OT dietary laws regarding pork and other meats. Basically you have to "keep the 10 commandments" to be Saved. They also teach that keeping Sunday is the Mark of the Beast.

[@Stefan-X24]

@@mikemanners1069 Adventists don't believe in the rapture because it's not in the bible. Adventists believe in salvation by Grace through faith alone. However, if your neighbour is starving and you are aware of it and do nothing about it then you don't love your neighbour and by implication you don't love God. How can you expect to go to heaven if you don't love God?

[@Stefan-X24]

@@mikemanners1069 Adventists keep to the dietary laws because it's a health issue. If you want to eat hyena, dog or bottom dwelling poop eating ocean scavengers by all means go ahead and eat it but don't complain when you get sick and diseased. "Basically you have to keep the 10 commandments to be saved". Christ said we need to 1 - love God = commandments 1 - 4 and 2 - love your neighbour = commandments 5 - 10. If you've done your homework you will know that Adventists do not believe that Sunday keeping is the Mark of the Beast yet. In the future it will be.

[@mikemanners1069]

@@Stefan-X24 You are an ungodly slanderer and are guilty of bearing False Witness against another. I have NEVER advocated eating hyena, dog, excrement, eaters etc. You are making up a STRAW MAN argument to boost your false SDA doctrines. You do this because you do not have Truth on your side and have to resort to deception. I rest my case.

[@mikemanners1069]

@@Stefan-X24 Hypocrisy! WHERE is the "Investigative Judgement" IN THE BIBLE? Or for that matter where IN THE BIBLE are many of Ellen G. White's doctrines?

[@purplecreamband]

Jesus Christ revealed in the Parable of the 10 virgins that half of Christianity will be sent to hell

[@TimpBizkit]

40000 murders on TV by 18? So you see 6 murders a day? I suppose I don't have a TV at my new flat but that surprised me even in my TV days at my mums where I had one in my room. I suppose there is just stuff I want to watch more on youtube or learn guitar or build speaker boxes or cross stitch

[@6969smurfy]

Wow 👏 I finally found christains that try an walk as yeshuah. 👏 now how about that bacon 🥓 question.

[@3abn]

Praise the Lord! We are glad you've enjoyed the program. This presentation should cover your question about clean and unclean meat… “Revelation Reveals Life at its Best” kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4qsmJuhpp6dhpo You were bought at a price redeemed by Jesus’ blood; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s. . . . Whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Learn what the Bible has to say about living a healthy lifestyle. Blessings as you continue to study God's Word.

[@genewilliams9454]

Is abortion a sin yes or no is abortion a Breaking of the Ten Commandments killing

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

Yes, abortion is murder. But if a person is truly sorry for it and repents, it is forgiven. God is the giver of life. The Bible says, I knew you before you were in your mother's womb

[@dehsa38]

Are you trying to excuse yourself to do what you want??

[@sergemoor9789]

Hi Doug Batchelor I listen to your and Steve don't remember his last name sorry regarding sabbath please enter the Lord's rest we Christmas did entered it you not only not entering Lords rest you hindering others from entering

[@3abn]

Hello friend, Praise God for what has been done for us through Christ. Something fascinating about the new covenant … Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” God wants to write His law on our hearts. The final conflict in Revelation comes down to worship, worship the beast and his image, or “worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” Rev.14:7. That’s almost a direct quote from the 4th commandment. Keep in mind the Sabbath was given in Eden before the Jewish nation ever existed and it’s the only one that begins with “Remember”. In Revelation 14 God sends a message to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people to warn them about not worshiping the beast. We are saved by grace. No one has ever been saved by their works. God has only and always had one way to save mankind "the everlasting gospel" Do we still have sin in the world today? How does the Bible define sin? It says sin is lawlessness, breaking God's law. 1 John 3:4 It's clear from the Bible, Matthew 1:21 that Jesus came to save us from sin and he intends to, with our cooperation remove sin from our lives. He intends to give us victory over every sin that besets us. He will not leave us in the same mess He found us in. It's unbiblical to think God saves us and then leaves us to stay in bondage to sin. So if I know that stealing is a sin and I refuse to stop where does that leave me? In rebellion. Rev. 3:5 is clear, "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life…" A true saving relationship with Christ leads to a life of obedience to His commands and that includes His Ten Commandments. This is evidence of walking with Christ, not something we do to earn salvation. The Sabbath is a gift of resting in Christ, and the Bible gives us abundant evidence to pin point that day. The Scripture is also clear, there is another power that has attempted to change that day of rest and it will lead to a final choice for mankind in the end. Worship God according to His Commandments or Worship the beast on the day he has chosen. I hope that helps. Here’s another program you might enjoy. ”Is Obedience Legalism if You're Saved by Grace?" kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWbSk2mImdeFjpY Blessings as you continue to study God's Word.

[@carolenelake688]

Jesus and the rich ruler.... please quote the entire passage...jesus never told him to keep the Sabbath... he mentions all but that. Then he tells him what he really needs to do.... FOLLOW ME. God's word is so clear isn't it.

[@atmchannel1125]

When Jesus says keep the commandments that includes whatever it is inside. When I said Doug bachelor, I didn't need to mention all his suit and ties and shoe.. All are there with him.. Hope make sense to you

[@sylviamanring9975]

The sabbath is not mentioned because he is already keeping it.

[@patriciacole3892]

Following God is being obedient to God's laws for if you love me keep my commandments how are you reading the bible dear Sunday keeping is a tradition of man!

[@kgomotsoletsapa9090]

Very good but mixed up sermon. Our pastor is still preaching selfrighteous effort christianity. He never said anything about the power of the Holy Spirit working in us. Obedience doesn't mean self effort like he said, but obedience is correspondace to the truth and then our lifestyle will gradually change because of the Holy Spirit. Becareful when you listern to such preaching

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. (1 John 3:7) Be careful to beleive anyone who comes without the teaching of Christ they do not have God and there gospel is evil *2 John 9-11) God bless you

[@6969smurfy]

Yea on that holey spirit thingy. This was about why you feel obedience that brings the laws on to your heart.

[@patriciacole3892]

Obedience is a choice my friend we must choose to do what's right!

[@frankjames1955]

following law is how we get OUT of grace , legalism is follow the 10 comamndments and its forbidden

[@3abn]

Hello Frank, legalism can be a trap for some, but there is nothing wrong with God's 10 commandments. Something fascinating about the new covenant … Hebrews 8:10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” God wants to write His law on our hearts. We are saved by grace. No one has ever been saved by their works. God has only and always had one way to save mankind "the everlasting gospel" Do we still have sin in the world today? How does the Bible define sin? It says sin is lawlessness, breaking God's law. 1 John 3:4 It's clear from the Bible, Matthew 1:21 that Jesus came to save us from sin and he intends to, with our cooperation remove sin from our lives. He intends to give us victory over every sin that besets us. He will not leave us in the same mess He found us in. It's unbiblical to think God saves us and then leaves us to stay in bondage to sin. So if I know that stealing is a sin and I refuse to stop where does that leave me? In rebellion. Rev. 3:5 is clear, "He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life…" A true saving relationship with Christ leads to a life of obedience to His commands and that includes His Ten Commandments. This is evidence of walking with Christ, not something we do to earn salvation. The Sabbath is a gift of resting in Christ, and the Bible gives us abundant evidence to pinpoint that day. The Scripture is also clear, there is another power that has attempted to change that day of rest and it will lead to a final choice for mankind in the end. Worship God according to His Commandments or Worship the beast on the day he has chosen. I hope that helps. Blessings as you continue to study God’s Word.

[@frankjames1955]

@@3abn Yeah but we read the 2nd Corinthians 3 not by ink but by spirit and not by tables of stone but in the flesly tables of the heart.....showing the law is done away

[@Bajannubian095]

@@frankjames1955 u just stubborn or trying to be a troll

[@patriciacole3892]

So when God said if you love me keep my commandments he's being legalistic ? Please stop hating God's laws why are you calling Jesus lord and don't do what he says?

[@patriciacole3892]

@@frankjames1955 you are misunderstanding what is the laws of ordinances and the 10 commandments the laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross but the commandments of God stands forever 😇😇