[170] Mr. No DE70 (Dual Bible!) Disc Padlock Picked and Gutted

[@jasminelognnes989]

I am always super super impressed with all the locks you buy and the very academic way to handle and structure things.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks -- I'm always happy to get some positive feedback.

[@tenshi7angel]

This guy bought a 2nd lock, just for us. Such dedication.

[@Maninawig]

"you like me, you really really like me"

[@CiaranMaxwell]

I always buy two in case of exactly this. You never know if the first one is a fluke... in either direction.

[@riverotterluresericdenson9216]

My 9 year old son just picked one of these with a rake that i made today from a windshield wiper blade. Im both proud and concerned lol. He knew what every type of pick was called before i even let him try. Im pretty sure he watched your channel before i did.

[@leechowning2712]

One, two, three, four... And... Five... Click. While I can hope this was a fluke, the fact it can be opened in four seconds... Well... So much for feeling safe.

[@DoctorX17]

I wonder if LPL ever noticed that one spring jumping out towards him and if he ever found it... Also, I didn't know the part that the pins lived in was called a "bible", lol

[@jimlocke9320]

I haven't found a reference telling me how the lock part got the name "bible" but that is the legitimate name, with the b lower case. The religious book has the B upper case.

[@MarkPolley]

The second bible is so no one can lock in the back of your trailer while you are unloading your truck, lol

[@beeble2003]

Mark Polley You could achieve the same thing just by closing an ordinary lock and removing the key...

[@cris_j]

I'd love to see a list of locks that you actually RECOMMEND to the lay-person as a reasonably pick/bypass resistant choices for: door, deadbolt, padlock, bike lock, etc. *(out of the package, not with a bunch of replaced components)

[@CiaranMaxwell]

Not gonna happen. If a lock he recommends is breached, he might be liable for resulting damages. Instead, listen for locks that impressed him, that he would consider acceptable, or that he would consider using. If you're still interested, I have a couple playlists on my channel that chronicle such locks.

[@jaydee123ish]

Hi Lawyer, just received my lock picking kit u recommended back in Janruary from Banggood it seem good & unlocked two locks but do need a vice now Thxs fer yer videos

[@shadowshadow2485]

It's very helpful to a dissected lock , to see the inside & how everything works , thanks very good video ,moe

[@danielroglich3309]

What an interesting lock . Thanks for sharing brother!

[@leahnewyork]

So impressive, and so beautifully analog. I mean, digitization must have been involved in the lock's design and manufacture -- in the distribution systems that brought the lock into your possession -- and of course it is key (rimshot) to your videoing and youtubing. But the actual picking is all offline! Ahhh, analog! What a relief! Thank you!

[@elgueroaero]

Good explantion on the missing pin. Dual bible...very interesting.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks.

[@johnsmythe9449]

How truly odd, a dual bible... Thanks for showing it to us LPL!

[@pickbeard2690]

It was like Sesame Street 1 ahhh 2 ahhh 3 ahhh ( I think you get the gist 😂😂😂😂). Very interesting lock never seen such a thing so thank you very much for disassembling it👍👍😘😎🔐

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+Pick Beard Glad you liked it. I thought it was quite a novelty (though I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what they went to the trouble).

[@pickbeard2690]

+LockPickingLawyer can only thin they did it because "no" one else had. Selling point and then patient it and corners the market maybe??🤔🤔🤔

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Business Plan: Step 1 - Invent product no one wants or asked for. Step 2 - ??? Step 3 - Profit!

[@Taco_Syndicate]

Didn't see that one coming! So weird they would do that... Oh well, it was very interesting and a great addition to this series. Thanks for sharing that.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks... I thought it was pretty interesting also -- if only for novelty value

[@adrianleon9487]

Curioso candado compañero. Buen trabajo,Gracias por mostrar. SALUDOS

[@lockpickinglawyer]

+adrian leon el gusto es mio. gracias amigo.

[@MultiSoulcollector]

Thank you sir. You are AWESOME.

[@tonyholt90]

brilliant gutting vid! very informative, nice..

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks.

[@mickenoss]

7:08 ...was that a spring making a break for freedom? lol

[@AutisticThinker]

Had to be, there are only 9 springs at 7:49

[@rem45acp]

Wow how did you notice that?!? I was laughing over the one stuck to the tweezers that I didn't notice the other one fly out. LPL didn't appear to notice either.

[@jeffwalker7185]

I saw that too, had to go back to check after counting the springs at the end.

[@megaxtrime3144]

Wow good eye, blink and you'll miss it it

[@avinotion]

I thought I was seeing things

[@Sicsicka]

I just paused your video at 3:26 your going FULLLOCKNERD🤣⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@badhabit403]

7:08 something just flew off

[@cerveau24]

Am I the only one having the feeling of observing the "Padlock Council" at the beginning ?

[@samueltaylor4989]

At 7:09 Flying Spring!!!

[@NulodPBall]

I wish I'd seen the cutaway before someone stole our box truck and tried drilling out the keyway. I remember seeing the stupid latch that prevented my bosses from moving the shackle and drilling all around it and I basically drilled most of the case until the shackle was free. I could possibly have just taken a brick and a metal mallet and pounded the case side until it split...

[@DonzLockz]

Must say I havent seen a factory dial bible lock before. ✌🙃

[@ImGumbyDangit]

Very nice. I am curious, why would you need spools (or any security pins) in the secondary bible?

[@sfsaviation]

I guess it just makes it a pain in the ass to re-lock? If a less experienced picker manages to spend a good few minutes getting it opened they're not gonna risk getting caught picking it back closed to make it less obvious someone was just robbed. If its on a storage container that doesn't get checked on a daily basis you might not notice it was broken into until weeks or even months after, and security footage might be long gone by then.

[@zultron]

I had the same question, and this is the only answer I could think of, but still weak. Does a thief really want to cover his tracks so badly?

[@mrjakeisnumber1]

Why are there security pins just to re-lock the lock?

[@milliosmiles5160]

So that only the person with the key can lock it.

[@beeble2003]

Millio Smiles Is somebody picking the lock to close it really that much of an issue? Picking it open, sure, but closed?

[@b-h-t]

@@beeble2003 Well. It's harder to cover up one's track if not only unlocking but also relocking is hard. :D

[@TheLemzia]

Yeah, I can't imagine anyone bothering to pick a open lock??? I wish LPL would've addressed that one for us......

[@merendell]

What's the point of security pins in the second bible? I can't think of many situations where it would be a significant security concern that someone would pick an already open lock to shut it.

[@chance2smoke]

I see these on storage units and the like so maybe its so no one can lock you in with it. Idk

[@merendell]

@@chance2smoke there are dozens that look exactly like this that are not dual Bible. Only way to tell them apart is to read the model number and branding. Also I would just pocket the thing if that worried me.

[@chance2smoke]

@@merendell I didn't say they were all dual bible. Just that the style of lock is used on storage units. I'm picturing someone being locked in a unit by mistake.

[@merendell]

@@chance2smoke Fair enough but my point still stands. If you think its a big enough risk of someone locking you in by mistake the lock is small enough to just pocket while your inside. There's also the fact that nobody is going to lockpick a lock closed by accident security pins or no. you have to intentionally do that at which point if they want to lock you in they could slap their own lock on there.

[@wybo2]

Its to simplify the production process. True, there is no reason to do it, but there is no reason to not do it either. Doing it means keeping track of fewer unique parts so they went with that.

[@PapaGleb]

Great video and find. Has great potential for a sleeper challenge.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks... The only problem is welding the damned thing back together when I'm done!

[@52Ford]

An excuse to get a TIG machine.

[@joblessalex]

Dual bible? Must be hella religious.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

:-)

[@kirkmattoon2594]

Maybe Old Testament and New Testament.

[@Maninawig]

Holy and Black bibles.

[@_BLANK_BLANK]

After seeing the new mr. No video. I would say it probably wasn't a fluke. And would really like to see the new one taken apart.

[@ChrisAhrensLHG]

that's neat never seen that before. looks like a pain to pin back up.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Me neither... and it's not that bad repining. Just use the notched end of the follower and you can do it one at a time.

[@zakofrx]

I seen you mention liking to use a decent amount of tension but this lock had you bending the tension bar a large amount.. Was it needed or just the amount you were using at that time?

[@D8W2P4]

I'd imagine the Mr.No core would be good for a T-pin detector trap.

[@rjrobertjames9804]

DR. NO!

[@lockpickinglawyer]

I was thinking the same thing. I almost slipped and said it in the video!!!

[@MrPMRing]

@@lockpickinglawyer It didn't spend years in evil lock school to be called MR.!!

[@Potti314]

Great info on that unusual padlock. How is the bitting on the one that picked so easy? Can it explain the difference? The second bible - well, why is it of any advantage to remove the key when the lock is open? It's not like a padlock with a spring loaded shackle that can be pushed to close without a key. Also, the second bible has spools and it's a different pin set up. Do they randomly pin them up. If yes, then this could explain your easy pick on the other.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks, and I agree... absolutely no point in the second bible. That said, the novelty is worth the price of admission IMO.

[@kennethcarrancejie2812]

@@lockpickinglawyer The second bible is a safety feature so if you use it on something you walk in and out of a person would not be able to accidently lock you in without the key.

[@WalterFrancis]

Forgive me if this is already asked, and I know this is an old video.. but why bother with spools in the secondary? Isn't the secondary ONLY to allow the key pins room to move to release the key? EDIT: I scrolled, YT opened more comments, and I see the previous question and answer. Nevermind, good video ;)

[@claymiller7532]

Where did you get your tubular lock pick with the warded picks on either end. I have the mantis from sparrows. Have you tried that? If so which do you prefer. The mantis only has one size for the tubular tension but yours looks like it has two for different size tubular locks. How do you like yours?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

USALockPicks.com ... and it's WAY better than the Mantis IMO. I gave my Mantis away after I got this one.

[@PickME1977]

Pretty cool lock..Never seen a dual bible. But as you have said don't see the need...Still trying to figure out why they put security pins in the second bible???? I guess to make it harder for Mr. Criminal to pick it back locked?? LOL

[@lockpickinglawyer]

LOL. I don't get the need for the second bible or the need for security pins in it... but after all the crap I give lock makers for how easy their locks are to open, who am I to criticize the use of security pins (though, technically, they are making it hard to close... weird)?

[@ericschimmel4570]

Nice

[@halfchocolatecow3501]

Maybe it is to make it harder to steal something unnoticed. You can't just pick it, then close it easily. You have to pick it again to close it, which most thieves won't do, making it obvious that something was stolen.

[@jerelrobinson3762]

just discovered your videos! they are awesome! what's that tool you use to remove the C-clips called?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks. THe tool is from the lock disassembly kit shown in video 244.

[@bdf2718]

It's called a c-clip remover. :)

[@brasshopper]

If I'm not mistaken, the design could allow you to have a key that locks the lock but can't unlock it by using the sixth pin?

[@gregiep]

Would be a cool core for a challenge lock

[@rickybrown3287]

You'd think that empty slot would have a steal pin for drill protection

[@tom1211tom]

If you would pin up the first chamber, it would be impossible to remove the key in the open position i think?

[@beeble2003]

tom1211tom Correct, I think. The key pin for the first chamber wouldn’t be able to move out of the way to let the key past.

[@bimon6512]

Cool lock. Dual bible? There is a comment here that suggests it's a safety feature, so you can't get locked in your truck. If you ever find out what the purpose of the 2 bibles please do an update. Another fantastic video.

[@b-h-t]

It feels more comfortable if you can remove the key wether the look is open or close. Isn't that enough for a reason.

[@joezuccardo3245]

I have a Corbin switch lock with two bibles one for on and one for off

[@beardsntools]

It's never a fluke :D

[@americanstriper8666]

Let say I broke off a key in this lock. Can the middle hole on the back be used to push out the key?

[@craigkeyintel]

What would cause cam to only turn a bit while in locked position? Key is also stuck inside.

[@thomaslynd5807]

What is the need for the second bible? Is to leave it unlocked and when they are done stealing from you they can pick the lock closed?

[@stig..locks..r956]

nice work man I still don't under stand y there is 2 bibls I don't no what the other one is for hmmmmmm keep up the good work merry Christmas and keep up the kool videos thanks stglocks..r

[@lockpickinglawyer]

Thanks... the second bible just allows you to remove the key in the unlocked position. It's the answer to a question that no one asked!

[@stig..locks..r956]

thanks for that I understand now take it easy man yano

[@mrdadcup6230]

Also why the pin 1 position was empty in the main bible? Key would still be captive if used?

[@snoopdogie187]

if they used the pin one in the main bible, you couldn't remove the key in the open postion unless it was the shortest pin of ever other one. When the key comes out, it pushes the pins up, and since the second bible on the lock doesn't have a pin 1 place, that pin would hit the top of the lock in front of the bible and the key can't be pulled out.

[@zoltanbekesi9314]

Will you pick the abus discus 20/70?

[@illsthaprophet]

Why would they bother putting pick resistance in the second bible? The lock is already defeated at that point, unless they are trying to prevent stealth opening of the lock I suppose. It just seems a bit unnecessary, but I might be missing something.

[@wybo2]

Its to simplify the production process.

[@rpgaholic8202]

I have to ask, what's the point of anything but standard top pins in the second bible?

[@Mr1989stang]

I don’t understand the spool in the secondary are there really people trying to pick it closed?

[@HeAD-CRuMBs]

Is it just me or does a spring shoot out and exit the bottm left of the frame at approximately the 7:08 mark???

[@psbates]

It is odd to hear him after 7 years. His presentation has become so much more confident, but not really changed much in substance. 😉

[@melissam.howard4777]

Can you pick a lock with a key broken inside that’s impossible to retrieve it?

[@melissam.howard4777]

Wasn’t me I did not do it

[@garnergardens5059]

Do you do house calls?

[@batmansgta362]

There doesn't seem to be any audio on this one.

[@CraigGood]

How did that part come to be called a Bible?

[@julianp2868]

Be interesting to know why its called a Biible? Is it to do with the angle of the double core?

[@jimlocke9320]

From wikipedia: The bible is the part of a pin tumbler lock that contains the pins and pin stack springs as well as the pin stacks themselves. The driver pins of a pin-tumbler lock are located in the bible. So all pin tumbler locks have bibles. This lock has 2 bibles.

[@metocvideo]

“Dr No” is a better name, but it just might be copyrighted. Naming a lock after a James Bond supervillain is a cool idea though……

[@lokpikr999]

Given the extra cost involved in manufacturing it with a second bible,I really don't understand the purpose of it being made so that you can remove the key while it is unlocked

[@lockpickinglawyer]

You and me both.

[@bigupbassline58]

why do you have an army of them?

[@simeonminkov6058]

Since i watch your channel i keep wondering why on earth you call it a Bible?

[@firefly4f4]

Before you gut this, I'm going to make a guess that the "regular" bible contains security pins, while the "unlocked" bible only contains standard pins. To me that would make sense as you'd want it to be hard to pick open, but who cares about picking it closed -- that feature is just to allow removal of the key. Now to hit play and see if I guessed correctly.

[@firefly4f4]

Interesting that there are actually spools in the secondary. Wonder why they did that?

[@dimitrisdimitriadis4934]

Why would they put even one spool in the secondaty bible? They obviously don't put the same pins as in the primary so it's not an automated thing. So why put something more expensive (even barelly)?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

You make a fair point... but I'll go a step farther. I'm not even sure I understand why they have the second bible, to say nothing about how its pinned. It's the answer to the question that nobody asked.

[@dimitrisdimitriadis4934]

maybe the shape of the cam stops the key from turning 360 and they wanted the key to be able to come out when it is open.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

The shackle hits a stop post... that's what keeps the core from over-rotating.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

As for taking the key out... why? Analytically, what's the difference between taking the key out when it's open or closed when you need a key to relock it anyway? I just like the novelty of the lock.

[@bdf2718]

Let's take this in stages. Why spool pins in the secondary bible? To make it harder to pick if you want to lock it when you don't have a key? Doesn't make much sense, especially as spool pins are more expensive. To simplify assembly so that to populate a particular slot in both bibles you grab two pins from the same bin? Maybe, but I figure it's cheaper not to do that. To reduce errors when pinning up that mean the key doesn't work with both bibles? Maybe. Except the one you disassembled had some plain pins in the second bible where the first bible had spools. So no satisfactory answer. Why two bibles? So you can take the key out when it's open. Simples. Why would you want to take the key out when it's open? To stop some idiot locking it again. For example, if the lock is protecting some sort of walk-in enclosure. You don't want somebody locking it without realizing you're inside. You don't want to carry the padlock around to prevent that, because it's bulky and a little heavy and might be extremely cold. This lock solves that problem. About the best answers I can come up with. Of course, you could always write to them and ask them, but that's cheating. :)

[@demonknight7965]

why spools in the secondary?

[@kieragard]

Because when you pull the key out in the open position, you may want it to go back to lock sometimes in the future.

[@peterwiegel4778]

You need to have driver pins there, so it is just cheeper in production, to take the same as in bible1.

[@JessHull]

I don't understand how having a second bible works. what function does the second bible have?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

It's just there to allow you to remove the key in the "open" position. As for the next question (why do you need to remove the key in the open position?), I have no clue.

[@JessHull]

thats it??? all that extra hardware so you can take the key out when its open??? ....ok?.... We'll have to has Mr. No, but he probably wouldn't tell us. thanks for taking the time to open one of these up, I always wondered what they look like inside.

[@lockpickinglawyer]

No problem... I took it apart because I had to see the double bible. It's a novelty if nothing else. I just wish I had waited for the second lock to arrive before I did it, so I could have shown the one that was harder to pick. :(

[@kcgunesq]

Just one possible answer: When our company was buying new locks to be deployed at hundred or even thousands of locations as a security upgrade, many of the trade craft workers insisted on removable keys. I never heard a good reasons, but it they were adamant about it. In the end, the manufacturer provided key retaining locks, but I don't know if that was a mistake or what we actually ordered. But i could see a run of locks being made for a large purchase if the buyer had this as a required spec. Maybe yours is just one that is left over.

[@RDeathmark]

Why is there security pins in the secondary bible at all?

[@peterwiegel4778]

You dont save money, if you use standard driver pins there, but you are in danger to misplaced the 2 typen than

[@joblessalex]

Why waste money putting spools in the secondary bible?

[@lockpickinglawyer]

It's a mystery.

[@goneutt]

So you can pull the key out, duh.

[@CatzIzAwezome]

joblessalex it might be so that you have to pick it twice. They're making this lock difficult to pick without anyone noticing on purpose.

[@quinterod1000]

My public storage disk padlock has 3 pin holes in the back

[@tonioreyes]

1,2,3,4,5 open LOL

[@houstonmercer966]

Its not the lock . It the way its keyed that makes them easy or difficult to pick

[@texarcana2002]

What's the point of a secondary "bible", especially if it can't stop LPL???

[@gary_rumain_you_peons]

Allows it to be hold open with the key removed.

[@Doggieman1111]

Why would they bother putting spools in the secondary bible? Is there really a danger of somebody trying to pick the lock CLOSED? I don't understand.

[@americanstriper8666]

I think it is so someone can notice it was picked into. In order to close it, you will have to pick it again If you can pick it open and close it back afterwards, no one may know it was ever picked into in the first place.

[@Doggieman1111]

Or they could just not open it all the way 'cause rarely does a disc lock need to be opened all the way to get it off whatever it's on

[@MrPINKFL0YD]

If you want locks etc on ebay just put a ♥ on the item and then you will get a 10% off offer if you buy it 90%plus of the time

[@anthonytamilio9501]

These locks are the easiest to pick I have ever picked

[@Ektalon]

Mr. No? Must be from before he got his doctorate . . .

[@bigupbassline58]

2:01

[@capnrotbart]

Took me until video 170 to realize why the bible is called the bible 🙈

[@ducktail9387]

Bible where is his mind @?

[@JonathanTuckner]

This lock could have a different key to unlock and lock it.

[@peterwiegel4778]

No, The top of the core pins have to be at the shear line when into the cut of the key, that is the same in both positions. When you add a master wafer to the a pin, than always it is nessesary to lock with exactly the same key, you opened it. Let me put just one master wafer in one pinstack, than you may use 2 different keys, one with a deeper cut in this position. When you now open the lock with the key with the not so deep cut, the master wafer will stay into position 1 . If you than want to lock with the second key with that deeper cut, the driver pin of bible 2 will block the shearline, you only can use the same key to lock. If you than unlock with that key with the deeper cut, you will transfer the master wafer to bible 2. When you than use the key with that not so deep cut to lock, the master wafer will remain in position 2 than, and you only can unlock with this key again.

[@JonathanTuckner]

@@peterwiegel4778 You can lock most locks without the key under certain conditions. How about a key that unlocks a lock, but the resting position is where all the driver pins are partially depressed and can be rotated to the locked position. Again, heck wafers in this scenario.

[@peterwiegel4778]

@@JonathanTuckner Think about your idea, for a lock, as these disk locks, with that circular shackel, that is over some kind of a gear hardly connected to the lock-core, so that this cannot turned around for 360 ° it is impossible topull the key out without a 2nd bible in that stop position. And, as the keyis pulled out, the core cannot move backwards,to close that lock without the key in place

[@elusivelogic6704]

4:32 that's what she said.

[@amanofmanyparts9120]

Mr. No says ... "No". Lock Picking Lawyer says "Hold my Chardonay!"

[@fabeiontatum205]

Can you give me them locks

[@EricGrain]

He bought a second one *says in front of a dozen other ones*

[@pstgh]

Why two bibles ? Seems like an unnecessary enhancement.

[@fabeiontatum205]

Can you give me them locks