18-Year-Old Student Pilot's Rogue Flight Is His Last!

[@pilot-debrief]

If you want to watch a student pilot do something right, check out one of these videos: Dad Saves Student Pilot Solo on Terrifying Flight: 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHXZY4dop8mJn7s Student Pilot's Solo Flight Is Her WORST Nightmare!: 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hX_LdmSemNuNa6c

[@Artoconnell]

And by amazing you really meant absolutely terrifying, lol. the tenth take off was much less amazing. LOL

[@kt420ish]

You should do a poll on KZbin and ask how many of your viewers are actually pilots ? I'm curious to know because I am not a pilot but I absolutely love watching your channel. It's literally making me think about trying

[@PAGoTribe1963]

Same here. I’m not a pilot, but the lessons are still applicable to most any situation.

[@pilot-debrief]

I think it’s roughly half of my viewers are pilots, retired pilots, or student pilots.

[@kt420ish]

Thanks for the info. I assumed it would be like 75% pilots, and 25% not. Cool to know.

[@deepg7084]

Some people aren't fit to be pilots, and some aren't fit to be parents. This story is a good example of both.

[@Frank_Nemo]

Harsh, but fair.

[@Rogerw1nz]

Sadly true!

[@truthsRsung]

​@@Frank_Nemo...Not Fair at All. Love is Blind and Parents Love their Children. They should have said, "Some people aren't fit to be Doctors." This Boy should have Never Passed an FAA Medical. Ever.

[@roynichols5212]

I was a forklift trainer for decades. There was always a few students that just could not grasp the theory of the stability triangle. They were just not mentally capable to process it. Which is fine. There are some people that should not be behind a wheel, whether it's on the ground,water and especially the air.

[@Scythe_Voltage]

@@roynichols5212 well said

[@CaptMoo]

Isn't it something, you get kicked out of flight school, and you get rewarded with your own plane? 🤦🏽‍♂

[@same5952]

The kid obviously had never heard NO when he was growing up. Unfortunately it caught up with him.

[@CurtBagne]

Absolutely insane

[@rc-fannl7364]

Kid probably put on some story how the flight school had been mean to him, maybe even accusing them of making fun of his ADHD. Making dad fold over and think he was helping his son

[@linanicolia1363]

Some people are not designed to have children. They need serious soul searching.

[@TheSlayneProphet]

My thoughts as a father...

[@JTG40cal]

Sounds like Jet's parents enabled him straight into an early grave.

[@DrDeuteron]

his dad. we don't know about his mother.

[@michaelgarrow3239]

@@DrDeuteron- perhaps his mother and not his dad. That is misandry…

[@Capecodham]

His dad should be charged with manslaughter. He essentially gave his kid a loaded gun.

[@d.b.1176]

Graveyard spiral 😜

[@sister_bertrille911]

@@michaelgarrow3239 Father bought him the plane, according to the video.

[@robertgary3561]

As a flight instructor it’s mind blowing a student would try to launch into a 300 foot ceiling. There is really no way a student would survive that.

[@1965myctahg]

My first solo flight was January 19, 1973. I have been around for awhile. I received my CFII a month after I was separated from active duty in the Marine Corps in the summer of 1975. I received under the hood training in my basic flying but my instructor took it one step further and made sure his students got to see what flying was like in actual conditions, sometimes before he would sign us off for the first solo cross country. Just a clearance from Cherry Point's tower for IFR to VFR on top and then back down. I was amazed when I received my Instrument Rating that there was not, and still is not, any actual time required to be instrument rated. The places that I worked as an instructor used the Piper System which did not have a lesson for that so it could not be done. I started working as a free agent and I was amazed at the amount of instrument rated pilots that would call me to take them up in the "clag". Up until they actually flew in it, they considered their Instrument Rating to be for emergency use only. For most of them it was only 2 or 3 flights to make them really comfortable. It was nice to be able to show them the benefits of their ratings.

[@b0borden437]

The saddest part is the passenger who I'm sure didn't realize how unqualified the pilot was and the danger he was getting himself into.

[@starrlite831]

unqualified and wreckless.

[@snoglydox]

​@@starrlite831 : *A characteristic of many 20 year olds.*

[@starrlite831]

@@snoglydox Actually what he did seemed more like a suicide mission than reckless. Unconscionable comes to mind! Drunk before flying... taking off into instrument conditions at night with no instrument rating and just a beginning student pilot. He should of never been flying.

[@bcsolorza]

Unskilled and nowhere near ready to fly solo let alone with other souls

[@snoglydox]

​@@starrlite831 : *You go from **_" unqualified and wreckless [sic]"_** to **_"a suicide mission?"_* *Most twenty year olds' brains don't have the discipline, especially those obviously spoiled, to know that their prefrontal cortex is just starting the process to mature, so I just believe he was over confident and showing off, as kids that age are.*

[@ScottishTerrorsInLA]

Props to air traffic control who turned the runway lights up in an attempt to help him not die. That had to be a hard thing to watch on radar.

[@go5582]

I agree,

[@onestepbeyond7240]

If he was in military air space, don't they usually send a fighter jet up to see or do they just assume it's someone who's lost ?

[@glenncain]

@@onestepbeyond7240 im not a pilot or have any prior experience with aviation directly, but i can hazard a guess that it probably isn't too smart to send a very expensive craft to chase a bird that doesnt know where its going and is turning everywhere with total disregard for any deconfliction plan, in a solid cloud cover

[@TinaObigwebi]

​@@glenncainBasically, they, as pilots, knew what was happening with Jet, even though Jet didn't even know himself.

[@LadyOaksNZ]

Gets kicked out of flight training and his parents gifted him a new plane... ?? So glad we were poor!

[@amamdawhatever]

I bet that kid never heard the word "no" in his life. What kind of parent buys their kid a plane after he is kicked out of flight school for showing up intoxicated? The tragic end is the result of raising an entitled child.

[@busher69]

A complete moron.

[@dextermorgan1]

A very stupid one.

[@fdzaviation]

and I'll bet they tried to sue somebody else for it, too.

[@wordwoman9900]

A spoiled, entitled child committing one of the most expensive forms of suicide he could manage.

[@gtaylor2770]

Amen.

[@dalekehrer2421]

Flying amd scuba diving are two activities that, along with a few others, must be given your full attention and respect.

[@moiraatkinson]

Or avoided altogether

[@mark-ish]

​@@moiraatkinson nope. wrong attitude. you would prolly blame trees for car accidents.

[@Phili2012]

Avoid unless you are prepared to seriously put in the effort

[@moiraatkinson]

@@mark-ishtrees don’t cause car accidents, people do. I would avoid the riskier activities mentioned because if I made a mistake, it would be more likely to be catastrophic than say, playing badminton.

[@akfox38]

@@moiraatkinson But then you miss out on some amazing experiences in life, and if you choose that and are ok with it that's a mature decision that's ok for you. But many of us having been flying our entire lives and if you approach it with the respect it deserves it's a very safe activity overall.

[@MrShobar]

His instructor told him to "get serious or get out...". Good for him!

[@warp9988]

Instructors should be able to flunk students out and mark them as "Should not fly for 10 years". Let them apply again when they are 10 years older and maybe a bit wiser.

[@sherpajones]

@@warp9988 IMO that showing up to flight school intoxicated should have grounded him for 10 years right there.

[@hammieinvestigations5392]

Except that it's not strong enough. I came across something like this but the new pilot was an adult around 30 years old and he bought a brand new single-engine aircraft. This guy was not listening to anything the flight instructor was telling him. The flight instructor being more partial to the thrill of flying overlooked all the warning signs and kept excusing the nonchalant new pilot. I as just an employee of the aircraft manufacturer witness the situation and relayed to management that this "new" pilot was unfit to purchase the aircraft, and would crash it because of his ignorance to take flying seriously. (manufacturer trusted me and revoked the sale).

[@Thestorminator89]

For the father to keep having to change flight instructors should indicate that its not the instructors that are the issue, but his son.

[@Avarren]

Good chance the father thinks problems are always somebody else’s fault.

[@vracan]

actually not his son but the dad is real issue. Probably spoiling his son to make up for his lousy father skills

[@greg.peepeeface]

He didn’t take things seriously by drinking and being on meth… he methed up

[@poopadoopalis]

Imagine a group of people that have been kicked out of 109 flight schools 👀

[@crissignori7482]

and him (the father)

[@BRZZ-xw4hd]

thanks for showing the disorientation test. never saw that before. that was amazing...peace

[@BirdDogey1]

Arrogance and Opportunity are the fuel of bad decisions.

[@FreeRadicals305]

As tragic as it is, with his attitude and privilege, it was 'an accident waiting to happen'. Had it happened years later, he would've probably 'taken' passengers to their doom. NM, I see it already happened at the end : (

[@charlesbrewer6552]

Jet's father re-inforced Jet's belief that the "Rules don't apply to him". In my experience many wealthy men have this attitude themselves, they are "risk takers", and have made their money by playing the risk game and insisting that things are done "their way".. I have witnessed many sons of wealthy fathers with this false superior attitude. Jet and his friend found out the hard way that the rules DO apply to them!

[@DamplyDoo]

I hear many stories of young men dying, and of course their fathers are wealthy. Interesting. I grew up dirt poor and my dad had eyes in the back of his head. He always knew when we were getting into trouble

[@pilotrt]

Exactly! I have seen this as well. Also saw a couple of these know-it-alls perish, with innocent passengers.

[@samiraperi467]

Ye cannae change the rules of physics!

[@Redridge07]

@charlesbrewer6552 How did his father reinforce that?

[@kukko83]

@@Redridge07 By rewarding him with an airplane of his own, for getting kicked out of flight school. Did you watch the video?

[@chrishan9138]

The first flight school tried to save his life. His dad effectively killed him, and cost the life of another young man in the process.

[@stevetournay6103]

And doubtless gives nary a crap.

[@Sweetlyfe]

Also the new instructor that told him that he could not fly the next day for his cross country solo due to weather. Yet he took his friend with him and killed that poor kid as well.

[@LantanaLiz]

At least his dad helped the gene pool by providing his son with a Darwin Award.

[@ryansiroproductions]

Bro you are disgusting. How dare you. Yes this kid made absolutely horrible choices, and the father in hindsight should never have got him a plane. But be respectful, two families lost two boys. What part of that is funny? Sicko.

[@truthsRsung]

@chrishan9138 ...That Boy never should have passed an FAA Medical Exam. Don't be blaming a Father's Love for his Child's Death. That is Sick.

[@erictaylor5462]

My dad was a CFI, he also had an instrument rating and extensive time in actual IMC. He was performing a VFR night flight with city lights below providing a clear horizon. He had just completed a turn when he flew into an unexpected cloud and he lost his horizon. He felt the airplane bank but his instruments said he was wings level. It took an extreme amount of willpower to resist the urge to correct the bank he could feel in the seat of his pants, even with all of his experience. Within just a few seconds he came out of the clouds and regained the horizon, exactly where his instruments said it would be and instantly the vertigo vanished. He was shocked by how powerful the urge was to correct the bank he felt and understood why this happens. He started telling his students to trust their instruments because the seat of your pants is a ling ass.

[@KimtheElder]

I think I really like your dad 😉

[@linanicolia1363]

trusting your instruments is the first thing you learn ; your dad had to really suck as a CFI. Sorry, but reality is there. Did he also teach you to fly ?

[@Jez1963UK]

@@linanicolia1363 I agree. I'm not even a pilot (though I did have dreams of being a private one and started studying and taking the written exams) - even I learned that you trust your instruments.

[@welcomb]

​@@linanicolia1363 his dad trusted his instruments exactly as he had to do. What was wrong with that?

[@davidr8309]

⁠@@linanicolia1363 intellectually knowing that you are supposed to trust your instruments is very different then experiencing spatial disorientation and actually having to do it. If you were an instrument rated pilot you would have understood the story.

[@3BK235Y]

This story reminds me of a friend who had a son who was crazy about motorbikes and had already had several accidents riding his friends' bikes. His mother solved the problem by giving him a brand new one. A few weeks later he had a serious accident that left him paraplegic and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life. He was 19 years old. One day, talking to his mum, I asked her why she hadn't tried to dissuade her son from getting involved with motorbikes, as he had a tendency to get into accidents She told me she didn't want to interfere in his personal freedom. When the head doesn't think, the body suffers.

[@CottageCupcake]

Stupid mother. He has no freedom now!

[@zarasbazaar]

He probably sold his mom a story about how the bikes were all defective and that he would be safer on a new bike.

[@MOAB-UT]

My friend is now paralyzed too- for life. He did 150mph into the back of a big old truck. 2 years ago- he will only get worse. Saw him in his wheelchair yesterday- he does not want to be here. Most of his own family has left him.

[@3BK235Y]

@@MOAB-UT That's so sad.

[@3BK235Y]

@@zarasbazaar It is possible.

[@jbsack]

18 yo immature kid with every hazardous pilot attitude. Was inevitable.

[@Lemau]

And clear evidence of repeated substance abuse...

[@colin-nekritz]

Got it from his a-hole soulless Dad.

[@thecomedypilot5894]

I was flight training at 18 and became a private pilot at that age too, I was very competent and mature. I don't think it's so much age that's a problem but rather competency. I've seen many older pilots get very immature and complacent.

[@ShiddyFinkelstein]

He finally got the lesson his dad never gave him.

[@747-pilot]

@@ShiddyFinkelsteinEXTREMELY well stated! TOTALLY opposite of my Dad. We were even beaten a few times, growing up as kids, and I actually THANK my parents for having done that. Today all three of us siblings are extremely successful people, thanks to our parents being super strict and putting us properly on the the “straight and narrow”!

[@billbergquist4722]

Think there may have been some family drama. Naming your child Jet is the first clue.

[@lesliesmith719]

I wrote that too. It put a burden on the child to become a pilot.

[@linanicolia1363]

Oops I put my comment on the wrong line.....about Travolta's son, named Jet.

[@Biggestfoot10209]

My thoughts exactly.

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

@@linanicolia1363I don't think it's entirely appropriate to connect this case with that of the late Jett Travolta, who was disabled from birth and died of his disability.

[@lc2962]

😂😂😅😊

[@OPgamingstyle]

Something my old Civil Air Patrol Orientation pilot told me when I was getting ready to start my own flight training was "The plane is amazing at following instructions. It is so determined that it will follow them all the way to the ground". Pay attention to what you are telling the aircraft to do and you will have a long career.

[@RachelDoesntknow]

OMG I love that line!

[@kingslaphappy1533]

The disorientation test really opened my eyes to trusting your instruments. I was expecting the assistant to move the chair in different directions, left then right, maybe up or or down… but no, just the fact that he varied the speed of rotation was enough to disorient the testee. Incredible!

[@richardbedard1245]

Because of the way I do things I'd want to be an expert on instrument flying! I'd want to be prepared for any condition. That's how I live my life!

[@redfoxblueflower]

Awesome debrief. 100% a kid who was not taking this seriously combined with a parent who spoiled his kid rotten and never told him no.

[@NickDanger-t5c]

Spot on, Friend.

[@kenthompson5723]

After his son died, do you think the dad learned his lesson? I would say >>> probably not.

[@shanemacgregor2771]

Tragic, the father should have had a better handle on him clearly was not mature enough to own and access an aircraft.

[@kelvin1316]

As an ex-teacher (I got out because of the stress) I have seen it too often where no matter how much you tell the parent of their child's attitude problem they will always think it is someone else's fault (the teacher, the other student, some medical condition they have self diagnosed etc etc), it is never their child's fault) Keep in mind, the teacher is often saying this because they need the help of the parent to help the child learn how to be self-sufficient and take responsibility, not because they dislike the child (although I am not saying that never happens)

[@clickster1883]

My guess is the kid was a reflection of his father.

[@Dstew57A]

Sounds like the kid might have been suicidal..not just an entitled attitude….very sad

[@JoeGator23]

@@kelvin1316 This self-entitled man-child cured those problems for eternity. At least now he can't kill anyone else.

[@tonybranton]

@@kelvin1316correct! I was a firearms instructor and quit for the same reason. I told my son, unfortunately this country has allowed MANY people with no common sense to acquire things, guns, planes, motorcycles and toys they have NO business with. They’re on their own and this is inevitable when you shun criticism and discipline

[@vadermike7772]

300 foot ceiling and overcast, and at night! What in the living fuck was he thinking? The worst part is, not only did he kill him self, but he also killed another teen. Note to parents, if your underage son shows up to flight school after drinking alcohol, and gets kicked out because of it, the last f****** thing on Earth you should do is buy them their own plane! If your kid shows up drunk to a driving lesson, do you buy them a Ferrari right afterwards? Hell no!

[@Fidd88-mc4sz]

I suspect that the timing of the flight had some impact on the accuracy of the forecast, and indeed the METAR's. Early morning flights are intrinsically sketchy, because a great many airfields that will, in daylight, be reporting actual weather, and helping the forecasters in finessing forecasts throughout the morning, are NOT reporting. Also fog can easily turn into low cloud, and vice versa, accordingly, if he was not aware of how the timing of the flight, relative to the likely accuracy of the forecast (which is decidedly NOT constant throughout a 24 hour period) then he may have taken off believing the forecast was accurate or less severe than it was. As a British instructor, I have to wonder at the facility whereby a student may get authorised to fly solo merely on the strength of a phone-call, rather than the presence of the instructor on the field. That seems a desperately dangerous system, especially for one only at the very beginning of solo nav flight. I appreciate that the instructor told him he was not to fly. I wonder if the actual words used might have created the impression he was being told not to fly cross-country, but was allowed to fly some circuits? Or took it to mean the latter? There was obviously some woeful judgement at play here, but there may have been other factors tangentially affecting that decision-making?

[@user-gv6hq6se3w]

He wasn't thinking he was high on meth and had probably been up all night.

[@stevetournay6103]

You do if you're a Richie Rich with an invincibility complex. This was pretty much karma...

[@Jimmer-Space88]

@@Fidd88-mc4sz he was high on amphetamines, didn’t you watch the video. Oh my goodness your dad didn’t just buy you an airplane did he?

[@busher69]

You gotta know buying the kid a Ferrari for showing up drunk ata drivers lesson is exactly what this kid dad would do. Complete and total moron

[@connieboylan9159]

Retired flight attendant here..your videos are so informative and interesting...although sad sometimes...just wanted to say I enjoy your channel

[@sg9414]

Poor parenting - like buying a new driver a fast car when they don't really understand how to drive. his dad's going to have many years of reflection.

[@OnceShy_TwiceBitten]

kid was 18, that's all on him too.

[@jamesb.armstrong5433]

I have the feeling he was a spoiled brat all of his life. The father is responsible for this.

[@DamplyDoo]

@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten i was still a kid at 18. No life experience. It's all on Dad. I say that as a father now

[@JetFire9]

@@valleyofiron125Me

[@ronoconnor8971]

Arrogance. Bet he was the quarterback on the football team too

[@darksidemachining]

Superb video. About a year ago a 16 year old boy passed his driver’s test and received a temporary license until his official license arrived in the mail. Though his father knew that his C minus grade point average son had already been abusing alcohol and weed, he still rewarded him for his achievement with a brand new 800 horsepower Dodge Hellcat. A week later he got himself and his best friend killed going over a hundred miles per hour on a back country road.

[@desdicadoric]

Wow that is absolutely nuts. 800 hp at 16 😮

[@k2crasher]

How would you know their grade point average? lol

[@adamarzo559]

RIP to that hellcat. Those things are going to be insanely rare soon, because I believe this year is the last production year for non hybrid/full electric cats.

[@linanicolia1363]

Karma for dad. Do these parents learn anything ? makes you wonder.

[@darksidemachining]

@@k2crasher Am not the aforementioned father. It was a local neighborhood issue.

[@Medic397]

As a dad, it took me a long time to figure out just handing my boys things (cars, insurance payments etc.) was not really instilling in them responsibility. I wanted them to have everything I was unable to have as a poor kid. I finally learned my lesson. Things earned, and responsibilities gained, are much more appreciated when you give them a guiding hand, not handing them things.

[@kaasmeester5903]

My dad’s attitude was: you can have every thin you want, once you show that you can manage the responsibility that comes with it. That applied to expensive toys, his power tools, his computer (that back then must have cost him a years wages) and the family car. But he also helped us understand what that responsibility meant. That’s the key part, and by the sound of it you’re being an awesome dad 😊 Giving your kid a plane after he showed up drunk for his cross country solo, much less awesome. Also a little surprising. Over here, solo endorsements are per-flight: you show up fit to fly, the weather is good, so the CFI issues an endorsement for that day only.

[@davidhandyman7571]

A hand up is always better than a handout.

[@davidbates7429]

My parents never paid a penny for my flying lessons. My step father did give me a job at his masonry business ( paid under the table so no taxes). They did help by paying the car insurance (family car) A's I needed to drive my mother and grandmother around as they never had a license. Taught me how to manage my money at an early age which I thank them for.

[@ds_the_rn]

@@kaasmeester5903- my parents were the same way. I am an only child, as was my father, and both of them gave me everything they could afford. I KNEW I had those things because I carried myself with respect and responsibility, as well as wanting to give to those I cared about. I even started flight school, because my Dad worked at Boeing and I wanted to do something to which we both could relate. He died and I never finished flight school. This family lost their son because of bad decisions on everyone’s part. The worst part is that he took a friend to the grave with him.

[@mdaniels6311]

Would like to quickly point out that driving is orders of magnitude statistically more dangerous than flying, which is counter intuitive to a lot of people, but true. Parents often dont udnerstand that the road is the biggest threat to their children.. and therefore you need to be careful when handing car keys to your kids.

[@fyiaustralia9686]

I feel for Jonathan and his family - an innocent bystander in this tragic event.

[@stedydubdetroit]

11:27 This should never happened? It was set up to fail from the start. He has a dad that buys him what he wants, and indulges his addiction through “prescriptions “. When a kid is this ignorant, it’s the parents fault.

[@thinebiggest]

A teenager who thought he knew best. His attitude killed an innocent young man. Fortunately, no other innocents were killed on the ground.

[@linanicolia1363]

beware who your friends are.

[@DrDeuteron]

the passenger was also foolish. I mean he got in the plane.

[@p4n23r]

When you 18 you think you know anything.

[@ShiddyFinkelstein]

A teenager who thought he knew best. Imagine that. Let's give them the vote. Smh.

[@redmanish]

@@ShiddyFinkelsteinIf you can send them to war, they DAMN well better be able to vote. This is the dumbest argument, I hate that so many idiots have jumped on this bandwagon lately because they’re mad Gen Z doesn’t vote the way they like.

[@davidgreen7857]

I am not a pilot, but I do find all your debriefs so logical, concise, lacking in sensationalism and thorough.

[@Starship007]

My son was a CFI instructor for a couple years before flying major airlines. He stated there are people that are not made for flying. Some people want to learn scuba and they are afraid of water. I have friends that finished medical school school but entering residency quit medicine as could not deal with actual life death decisions.

[@gamertardguardian1299]

I disagree, anyone who is persistence can learn these things, though it may take them 100 hours to do so. I know some people who had great fears of heights and flying but pushed through and went on with their aviation career. No one other than people with certain mental or physical disabilities or health concerns are exempt from becoming a pilot

[@kristinstrickland1038]

You're wrong. Many people are not intelligent enough to be pilots. ​@@gamertardguardian1299

[@scarab944]

@@gamertardguardian1299 I'm not qualified to say, but I think that not everyone has the right mentality to fly safely. I recognized in myself that despite enjoying aviation, I wasn't ready to get my PPL back when I did my flight training. I got a 97% on the FAA written exam and had already done a solo cross country, but at the time, I was too stressed and scatter-brained to fly safely, so I quit. Yes, I could have persevered, but it was just a hobby and one that is unforgiving of mistakes, so I thought it would be best to postpone becoming a pilot until I'm at a place in life where I can devote the time and attention to doing it correctly. Sucks, but I feel it was the right decision at the time.

[@gamertardguardian1299]

@@scarab944 I absolutely agree, but do you think some of that might have to do with your instructor sending you off too early? Good on you for being honest with yourself, you already have a mentality better than a lot of pilots who really shouldnt be in the air right now. Like I said, for some people it can take hundreds of hours to feel comfortable and confident flying, your instructor should know your competent, confident, and handle anything unexpected well before even letting you do circuit solo

[@toidIllorTAmI]

I agree with that. I know I can't take pressure so I didn't pursue the medical career. Just watching simple ER videos led me to that decision.

[@OnceShy_TwiceBitten]

Gonna say it like it is, everyone saying it's tragic, no it's arrogant... tragic for the passenger. But this guy was something else. Now they can change his name to Crash.

[@gleebybooer]

yeah… dude was determined to be reckless. They literally kicked him out of flight school but his daddy’s money allowed him to keep going. Absolutely insane

[@DrDeuteron]

the passenger had no business trusting the pilot.

[@supermanlives010]

He was taking pills for paying attention that saids it all, he should have paid attention to his life!!!!

[@timrothenbush1189]

Good thing he never got into commercial aviation.

[@amorl4520]

​@@timrothenbush1189holy crap

[@MrLekatt]

77 years old, I'm not flying any longer but I find all your videos very interesting. Younger pilots could potentially avoid dangerous situations by watching them. Great job! 👍

[@CockMcBallsddd]

. . .and just staying the hell away from social media. Their level of narcissism is unbelievable. I can't imagine what its like trying to train them now. . .

[@jasonworden8209]

The guy the the chair actually started pointing his thumbs left WELL before the chair came to a stop! Fascinating! I've always wondered how a pilot could be turning the opposite direction he thinks he's going! I've watched no less than a hundred air crash investigations, and they've never explained this! Thanks for including that in the video! Very informative!

[@martinpenwald9475]

That’s a pretty amazing example of how spatial disorientation happens.

[@KimWentworth-y8e]

Yep, when they put me under the hood in the aircraft, there is no way I can tell the attitude - direction of aircraft or climbing. Your body, no matter how fit you are will lie top you. USE YOUR INSTRUMENTS - TRUST YOUR INSTRUMENTS.

[@MoMadNU]

I went up with my instructor, and he took the controls. I was under the hood, and he told me to close my eyes. He did some maneuvers. It was less than 30 seconds, and he told me with eyes still closed to fly us to straight and level. I did a bit of pitching and rolling to get us to what I thought was straight and level. He said to open my eyes but stay under the hood. Well, son of a bitch, looked at the panel and there we were in a 15 degree bank descending. So I started to recover, still under the hood. This is where the real shock came. It took every ounce of faith to fly the airplane on instruments only. I was scared as hell because it just felt so wrong. What it feels like AFTER you perform an instrument recovery was the real lesson.

[@jsmirnoff77]

The answer for every IFR pilot is to trust their instruments unless there is a sound reason not to.

[@blitzstrahl]

You can quite easily replicate that experiment with any swivel chair.

[@jameswest4819]

My first pilot instructor flew from Santa Rosa, up the Russian River canyon during foggy weather. Both his starting and arriving airports were closed. I was waiting for him to show up when a guy showed up next to the practice plane and told me that he was dead, along with his girlfriend and another couple. I learned a valuable lesson on that day.

[@genedillman7811]

Sad story! Arrogance in action.

[@bergamottea1206]

4:17 am....he probably hadn't gone to bed the night before.

[@artayek1517]

With that much amphetamine in his system, you can guarantee it

[@jaykid6595]

Good point. I agree

[@pikestance8851]

@@GoToPhx This is true, I had ADAD and my mother would give me coffee to calm me down.

[@webcityguymyclubb4032]

@@jaykid6595 …and so jacked on Molly he thinks he’s invincible.

[@emiloguechoons9030]

​@@webcityguymyclubb40321. Molly is mdma not amphetamine 2. MDMA doesn't make you feel invincible, not even close, the effects are pretty much the opposite, becoming very aware of your surroundings

[@heathjarvis2362]

About 15 years ago or so, there was a very similar fatal accident in Alabama. Kid was around 20 years old or so, had bought a Piper Cherokee, and was signed off for solo by his instructor. His limitations were 1) He could only take off and land at his home airport in Pell City, AL. 2) He was limited to 8 knots of wind and VFR conditions. 3) No night flying. 4) No cross country. He took off one night with a low overcast, wind gusting near 30 mph, rain off and on, and intended to fly to Georgia to see his girlfriend. A few minutes after he took off, he busted a TFR over the U.S. Army Weapons Depot in Anniston, AL. As he continued eastward towards Georgia, he got disoriented near Heflin, AL and spun into the forest. When they found the wreckage, there were several empty beer cans in the airplane. I spoke with one of his friends who had reminisced on all the great times they'd had flying together. I said, "Oh, you're a pilot?" The friend said "No." I asked, "Was it just the two of you flying together?" He answered, "Yes." I asked how many times they'd flown together and he replied that it was so many, he couldn't count. I then informed him that, as a student pilot, this guy wasn't allowed to take passengers, and that this friend was lucky to be alive after flying with someone so reckless.

[@FlyWithMe_666]

“Son, we need to have a serious talk … you got kicked out of flight school for drinking. This must have consequences … HERE’S YOUR NEW PLANE 👏🥳🍾”

[@linanicolia1363]

Tragic yet laughable......so predictable.

[@fincarosa]

Parents like those of Donnie Darko 😅

[@Jimmer-Space88]

Well said

[@em1s301]

I want to know how the Mom is feeling about the son getting the plane.

[@wmrieker]

@@em1s301 well if they're still married probably not for much longer

[@pmh1nic]

Thank you for the thoughtful and thorough debriefing. What an incredible tragedy for these families. The negligence on the part of the father is mind boggling.

[@drbooo]

That's the best explanation of spacial disorientation I've ever watched. Great Job.

[@Rapscallion2009]

I once heard it explained like this (roughly); Apes are not meant to fly but aeroplanes are made for that very purpose. So who's instruments are going to trust more? (Ive mangled that a little)

[@patriciosilvarobalino9832]

In fact it was. I never saw that before

[@matoko123]

Impressed me!

[@moiraatkinson]

How are you meant to recover from a graveyard spiral though, even if you realise you’re in one? It’s wrong to pull back because it tightens the turn. I don’t suppose you’re meant to push the nose over and turn it into a dive instead. What’s left? Take your hands off everything and just pray?

[@Rapscallion2009]

@@moiraatkinson I can't answer that. And I may be wrong about this, but I believe in many types you essentially can't. Particularly swept-wing designs. Which is why stick shaker/stick push was introduced. The known consequences of stalling (certain crash) are worse than the possible consequences of the stick push (likely crash). The whole reason swept wings were rare until jet speeds made them really beneficial was their unpleasant stall/spin characteristics. I may well be wrong. It's been quite a while.

[@DaveCarlson01]

I shed no tears for this reckless young man who thought rules did not apply to him. the boy's father should be charged with negligent manslaughter for buying him a plane after he was kicked out of flight school.

[@MattyEngland]

Father is undoubtedly a freemason, the law doesn't apply to them the same as the rest of us.

[@tomglase5333]

well, the precedent was set this week in another case.

[@kevsta67]

yeah.another spoiled rich kid that always got to do whatever he wanted regardless of what he was told. blame the parents

[@robertgantry2118]

I think he paid enough. STILL paying, probably, as he has to live with himself.

[@SACBENT05]

@@robertgantry2118 IMHO, a parent/father like this example, has to fit the definition of a narcissist, which are individuals that really don't care about the consequences of their decisions even if it adversely effects their very own blood. My own father fits this bill!

[@redrocket4853]

I've been flying 29 years, I've seen a few "Jet Montgomery's" during my time in the hobby, I'm not at all surprised about the ending to Jet Montgomery's brief time in the hobby.

[@irie_father]

I’ve been involved in the hobby in various capacities for the last many years and to me the hobby has never been crazier because the youth simply don’t respect the hobby! Respect the hobby for peets sake!

[@LobotomyTC]

@@irie_father Is this a thing non-military pilots call flying? I've never heard that terminology from my dad, a USCG pilot, and he would talk about aviation endlessly. Is "the hobby" a colloquialism?

[@redrocket4853]

@@LobotomyTC i call it a hobby because nobody's paying me to fly, so it's a hobby, it's still flying, but it's like any other hobby, nobody pays one to go fishing, or hunting, golf, tennis, or whatever else one may do that others may get paid for, so that's why I call it a hobby

[@LobotomyTC]

@@redrocket4853 Ah, gotcha

[@JosephGreen-us5fr]

What scares me is some of the "Jets" actually become flight instructors. I had one such as a substitute at one time that nearly got us both killed.

[@Mambaru]

I'm going to go with 'he never told his father that he'd been kicked out of flight school' or he spun it his way. Hence daddy bought him a plane. Still rather tragic for his passenger.

[@MrLeslloyd]

that's what I was thinking also.

[@sherpajones]

Well... flight school isn't cheap. I recently looked into costs and it is around $12k-$18k CAD where I'm from. No way a 19 year old was paying that out of pocket, and most likely it was the dad. So you'd think he'd want to know how his son is doing with flight school and why they stopped sending a bill.

[@squatchbright2633]

@@sherpajones "I don't like that school..." or "The instructors are a-holes there..." etc., that's all it takes and the parents will never be any wiser. The kid's legally an adult, the school doesn't contact his parents. You'd be surprised just how many busy, well-meaning parents don't really know what their kids really get up to. They wanted to support his dream by getting him personal, vetted, quality instructors - which they did. He just didn't listen to them.

[@neverBragg]

@@Mambaru As a parent & grandparent, I would've been engaged - and conversed with school staff, to Monitor progress of such a potentially hazard-related skill.

[@neverBragg]

@@squatchbright2633 Only disengaged, lazy, immature, irresponsible, haughty parents would "not be the wiser".

[@X737_]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Just glad he didn’t have more passengers. RIP to his friend

[@Capt-Intrepid]

Thanks for another great debrief. Gross negligence, Incompetence and Irresponsibility. Teens frequently overestimate their abilities, make poor decisions and sometimes they're fatal. In this case, his father was also grossly negligent and complicit in the deaths of both teens.

[@Gus_Leon]

Excellent Pilot Debrief. Flying is a very serious task. Lesson learned: that with great power comes great responsibility. Thank you Hoover for all you do to bring awareness of the importance and responsibilities of flying. Take care!

[@lesliesmith719]

I am not a pilot or controller but enjoy this channel.

[@reini3006]

"With great power comes great responsibility" - well said. However, this not only applies to flying. It is also true for driving a car or riding a motorbike. Hope that people will someday understand...

[@Gus_Leon]

@@reini3006 Of course! I agree..this applies for everything in life and not only aviation. Have a great day!

[@GetMeThere1]

I like the blindfolded demo. Very educational. Thanks!

[@unknown-user]

He probably was a spoiled brat and never was told no his entire life. I blame his parents.

[@milesbbop9563]

I was just about to post the same comment.

[@Redridge07]

I blame the 18 year old

[@linanicolia1363]

Well, the slate got cleaned up. Too bad for the other kid who did not seem to be smart enough to figure out he was in danger.

[@Biggestfoot10209]

@@linanicolia1363chances are he was no different from Jet

[@baneverything5580]

Over the bad decisions of an 18 year old adult?

[@conniep.8124]

Something like this happened in the UK about a month ago. A businessman was learning to fly, bought himself an aircraft. He told the instructor that he wanted to fly solo. The instructor said no, he wasn’t ready and he only had a few hours actually flying unaided. But the businessman wasn’t taking no for an answer. So he ignored the instructor and decided to fly solo by himself. He immediately crashed the aircraft after takeoff (nose dived it into the ground) and k*illed himself there and then. Money doesn’t buy competence.

[@Chris-xo2rq]

I have no experience with actually flying but a lot of experience in simulators (DCS, MSFS2020), and while it could be the case that the simulators are nothing at all like reality it seems to me like you'd have to almost TRY to nose dive right after takeoff. If you actually lift off then you have sufficient velocity to produce lift, the only thing I can think that would cause an immediate nosedive after takeoff is pulling up way too hard and stalling, or pushing down and commanding a dive.. but I can't believe anyone with any actual flying experience would do either of those things, I know I wouldn't do that with only sim experience. It reminds me of that scene in The Last Man on Earth and it always bothered me how unrealistic that was... I mean even if he completely cut the throttle he wouldn't have nose dived... Unless you are leaving out details and he overbanked a turn or something.

[@conniep.8124]

@@Chris-xo2rq I’ve seen the video footage and i suspect that footage is lurking on KZbin somewhere. What appears to have happened is that he failed to gain significant height upon take off and was getting close to the hangars. It looks like he panicked and jerked the controller stick to the left, but simultaneously pushed it forwards causing it to roll. I suspect the aircraft then stalled and it promptly nosedived into the ground.

[@Chris-xo2rq]

@@conniep.8124 Thanks that makes more sense, I was pretty sure a turn had to be involved somehow.

[@stephenroach8033]

But often times, does buy arrogance

[@xr6lad]

@@Chris-xo2rqlol @ computer games. No you're right. You have no experience.

[@altonyoung3734]

More tears are shed over wishes granted, than wishes denied.

[@bradsanders407]

Lol yeah ok

[@webcityguymyclubb4032]

@@bradsanders407 Wonder why I never heard this?…lol. Did he get it from a movie?

[@clintavo]

Well said!

[@mangos2888]

I don't believe that for a second

[@MoMadNU]

That's an excellent quote.

[@gqs1]

Great channel , I’m sure lives have been saved with your content

[@6yjjk]

I'm saddened by the loss of the friend and the aircraft.

[@catdogky]

Jet clearly had no boundaries in his upbringing and no respect for authority. Some teens are just like that. I had one myself but he never decided to get into a hobby or job that was dangerous and potentially fatal. If you cannot accept that other people in society have authority over you, you have no business flying an aircraft.

[@Taladar2003]

I wouldn't say they are 'just like that' with rich kids like this. It is part of their upbringing to be taught that rules do not apply to them and authority is to be ignored.

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

@@Taladar2003 This is not isolated to a particular party affiliation, to get ahead of the possible comments. We are in an age where it seems everyone thinks it's virtuous to cheat their way into advancement of some political agenda. Honest negotiation over known and acknowledged disagreements is going out the windows.

[@dudeonbike800]

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 but there's a DISTINCT difference between one group who hates regulation, government, oversight, and guidelines, and the other tends to advocate for them. But I won't name any names or anything.

[@threethrushes]

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 The good news is that you can't cheat reality. Cheaters rarely prosper. The hubris and disregard for others manifests itself across all areas of their lives.

[@lornamurdocheaton624]

"Some teens are just like that." Not really. I know of a couple who are actively developing their three kids into someone EXACTLY like this. They're never denied anything, never given boundaries, excused all misbehaviour and openly defended when they harm and offend others and are instantly given anything they demand. The parents - apparently genuinely - believe they are the very best parents out there and even boast about it, oblivious of the reaction of every other human their spawn encounter!

[@rowdystix]

As someone who is early in instrument training i can say disorientation is REAL. My instructor had me close my eyes and try and hold a 30 degree turn after about 20 seconds or maybe less he said “now recover.” I was in about a 25 degree climb with maybe 20-15 degree bank and approaching stall speed. It was eye opening that without visual reference and without focusing on the instruments just how bad of an attitude you can put your plane in and get there fast.

[@jamesfranko5098]

That's exactly why you have instruments. Why do people act like primarily using instruments is some big brain concept? The instruments tell you everything.

[@bigblue207]

@@jamesfranko5098yeah but it’s not that simple. It’s that kind of thinking that gets people disoriented easier. I mean, yes, the only answer is to lock on and trust your instruments, but that’s an entire skill in and of itself when your brain and body are telling you how wrong it is. That’s just BAC as well. Now thrown in a frequency change to departure, maybe activating the autopilot, there’s a lot of button pushing going on too. If you’re hand flying, then you’re subject to that confusion and disorientation even longer which gets fatiguing and definitely doesn’t help. Sure, leveling out and staying there for a bit would help, but it’s getting there in the first place that matters.

[@Titere05]

This is exactly why I don't understand why VFR is even a thing. Everyone should be instrument rated IMHO

[@JosephGreen-us5fr]

I still thank my instructor in my mind nearly every day for making me spend an extra 4 hours "under the hood." He told me I'd thank him for this someday and he was right. He was right about that and teaching me to trust my instruments. They always seem to be right no matter what my brain is saying.

[@kendram6579]

Mind blowing that he was gifted a plaine after being kicked out of flight school . Clearly shows this boy was probably never held accountable in his life and believe there would never be consequences to his actions.

[@Slaktrax]

Hoover, I'm a retired 17,000 hour (no accidents) rotary pilot and I congratulate you on what you are doing. These videos of yours are like a reference of what not to do and should be part of a safety course for every pilot, regardless of age that's going through training should watch. It's very sobering seeing the silly mistakes being made.

[@pilotcritic]

He stole my story. This accident was four years ago, I spent a month of full time work researching this accident and he made his own probably in one day based on my video.

[@drval3706]

I am an inspired pilot and find this Chanel amazing! These case studies should be part of every training!

[@raymond3803]

How the hell do fly helicopters 17,000 hours with no accidents? Surely there would be mechanical failures.

[@reapsgrimley]

you, and cotter pins, have a unique symbiotic relationship...

[@definitiveenergy1878]

The importance of this channel and a few others is critical for pilots to watch, newbies as well as very experienced, private or commercial.

[@smaakjeks]

Shows up drunk for one flight; wants to fly despite getting kicked out of flight school; refuses to accept that icing conditions for that plane is bad news; wants to fly in fog and darkness despite not having an instrument rating. Man. Some people just refuse to stay alive

[@dempfer9037]

Fuck man he’s a kid i’m sure you were a perfect kid but think of his family reading this shit. We all do incredibly dumb shit when we’re young most of us don’t do it in a cockpit. Don’t insult someone for fucking up after they die, it’s very gross.

[@Ahababdelwahab11]

I’m impressed with your channel Hoover, I heard you say a couple of times” give flying the respect that it deserves”, and I’m a big believer in that statement, I’ve worked with several pilots that don’t apply this golden rule, even heard on ATC frequencies the same type of pilots flying for airline carriers, when I was instructing, I often reviewed NTSB incidents and accident reports with students pilots to help drive a point of not becoming a statistic, and to learn valuable lessons from mistakes made by others. I wish you much success with the channel and safe flying. Thank you for Pilot Debrief.

[@TomSwift-wy1gx]

Writing to add to the disorientation lesson. An instructor put me in the chair and spun it. I did the left and right thumbs-up thing. Then the instructor said, "Change your radio channel--lean forward, the radio is near your knee." So I leaned my head forward... BANG! My body convulsed and literally threw me out of the chair. The disorientation was so intense my whole body lurched beyond my control. They picked me off the floor.

[@pilot-debrief]

Love that!

[@B3Band]

And then you sued because this is America

[@guhrizzlybaire]

@@B3Bandyour life must be so boring if that's where your brain goes after reading a totally unrelated comment

[@Nasty-sauce]

@@B3Bandget with the times, the whole America land of the sued thing isn’t as funny or known anymore so people are gonna look at you weird if you make a joke about it.

[@awesomeferret]

@@guhrizzlybaire 😔 your life is ACTUALLY boring because you waste your time telling other people that their lives are boring when they tell a joke that you think isn't funny.

[@adotintheshark4848]

Jet's dad never taught him there's consequences to everything you do. So instead of disciplining him for being kicked out of flight school and for drinking at his age, he buys him an airplane.

[@gadsdenconsulting7126]

Long on money, and short on brains. 🤷‍♂️

[@nattybumpo7156]

I see pilots who own airplanes beyond their skills every day.

[@stevetournay6103]

Not exactly uncommon...

[@SplashJohn]

That's a description of the father; son had no money except what his father gave him. Both of them are responsible for this tragedy.

[@cefb8923]

Been to a couple flight schools and I can't help but notice there are definitely some students with considerably financial support. I'm not saying they're short on brains though.. never flown with 99 percent of them obviously.​@@nattybumpo7156

[@florida1289]

These debrief are completely addicting

[@theonlywoody2shoes]

Many years ago I was flying up the east coast of Florida at night. It was clear and calm. Turning inland for Jacksonville I became disorientated - using the moon as a reference the aircraft began to accelerate and descend unexpectedly. The training kicked in (I was VFR only back then) and going on to instruments I got the aircraft back under control. It was only then that I noticed the moon, and its perfect reflection in the still calm water below - it was the latter I had mistaken for the actual moon that led to my disorientation. Thankfully from 6000ft I had plenty of room to correct my error, but it was a lesson well learned.

[@windwatcher11]

Dang, that's something i could have easily done! Thanks for sharing!

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

One of the things I love about this channel is the comment section.

[@bobbin321]

Absolutely shocking to find out he had someone else on the plane with him. Very poor decision-making by the pilot and his father.

[@kwd3109]

The ending was so surprising and tragic. That poor friend who was invited along just so the pilot could show off. He must have been so confused and frightened. My heart just goes out to him.

[@davidbates7429]

I wonder if the friend knew that he only had a student pilot's license or if he was told that the pilot had a private pilot's license. Doesn't help him but would help his parents out when the lawsuit commences.

[@dudeonbike800]

I feel for the friend, BUT at the same time, who joins their dipshit "friend," an inexperienced student "pilot" for a 4am flight in bad weather? He's at least 10% culpable.

[@user-xb1ht4py2v]

You MUST learn from the mistakes of others. You cannot learn from your own fatal mistakes.

[@TheProcustoms]

another example of a rich kid doing whatever he wanted to do and showing off for his friend.

[@linanicolia1363]

yeah. beware who you pick as friends. Always use your better judgment. Too late for that kid.

[@amorl4520]

That is so true. My son hung around with a rich kid!! I was pissed to hear later this kids dad let my son and his son shoot all these guns off on his property!!!! My kid was 15 or 16!! I was always on my kid being a single mom and would of flipped out on that father had I known. Plus this kid put alot of drugs for his freinds because his daddy paid him $1,500 a week while in HS working part time in his gravel business. Here I would net $500 a week with my first job and worked 2 other part time jobs. Parents sometimes has zero knowledge about other parents reckless behavior with their kids. Then sucks your kid into it because it's cool to them. I am glad I got past that stage with my son.

[@philipritson8821]

The friend agreed to fly along. He was not kidnapped. Maybe it's a case of two peas in a pod ... or in this case ... two spoiled and over-indulged brats in an aircraft. Aviation is a privilege, don't abuse it.

[@TheProcustoms]

@@philipritson8821 where do you get "kidnapped" from anywhere in this? Yeah, spoiled kids high on drugs.

[@-Thunder]

I'm not a pilot and hadn't seen the Barany Chair before this. That really explains spatial disorientation and why being aware of your instruments is so important.

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

One could reproduce this with an ordinary office swivel chair too (as long as it isn't too puny).

[@johnemerson1363]

Try sitting in this chair, going through the process, then watch the video of your antics. That was the most powerful eyeopener I ever experienced as a pilot.

[@Sweetlyfe]

@@johnemerson1363Seems like a good idea that all pilots in training are given that as a training aid as well, it would possibly help people to fight the spatial disorientation after experiencing through the chair and the video first.

[@nickl5658]

Ooo... my parents had swivel chair that could move like this. As kid, I would sit on it and spin it very very fast, leap off and try to walk straight. It was extremely disorientating. But I learned to ignore my sense of balance and concentrated totally on sight to stand and walk straight.

[@danepatterson8107]

I've never heard of a Barany chair before, and that was incredibly helpful in understanding what the ear does versus what the instruments will show is true.

[@MegaSnow121]

Very sad story. I cannot imagine how Jet’s father felt after this tragic incident. My heart goes out to him, the rest of Jet’s family, and the family of John, the passenger. Just all around sad.

[@neverBragg]

@@MegaSnow121 I imagine the Dad tried to sue the airport -- claiming they made it too easy or possible for his son to TAKE the plane up.

[@gregoryknox4444]

When I was 17 (I'm 70 now, retired Airbus Capt) I met a 16 yr old kid who had such careless attitude I remembered him until he killed himself by buzzing hitting a low 57 ft high powerlines over a river just before Christmas. It was sad seeing 3 wheel pants sticking out of the iced river. He had broken through a 2 inch powerline that wrapped around the fuselage and pulled him into the river. As I recall, it snapped his neck and he drowned.

[@austin33785]

Good

[@phantomraven5044]

@@austin33785 wtf

[@robertray4377]

The laws of physics can't be overruled .

[@phantomraven5044]

@@austin33785not good

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

@@austin33785 ??? Even if you don't care about the person, what about their family? The first responders who had to deal with the mess? The perfectly functional aircraft he wrecked? What a shitty attitude.

[@sithticklefingers7255]

I was once a very young student pilot -soloed at 18. That’s about the only time in my life where being a socially awkward loner worked to my advantage. I was flying because I wanted to, not because I was out to impress anybody. I was and am still a good stick jockey, but I had a lot of challenges in the bookwork and knowledge aspects of flying. Right before moving up to my university I hooked a checkride, and the more flying I do now that I’m 26/27, I’m grateful I had a tough DPE that pointed my in the right direction, and of course my time going through secondary education helped me develop the study skills and discipline needed to succeed. I’m friends with healthcare workers, flight instructors, maintainers and various supervisors who all agree that sometimes the best answer to give somebody is “no”. Very tragic for Jet that he did not have enough of those people in his life.

[@willygerrard3174]

You really like pumping up your tires

[@FuzedBox]

@@willygerrard3174 It sounds like you really like slashing others' tires.

[@bretb8799]

He had the School and 2nd instructor say NO, but he's smarter than those dummies!

[@sithticklefingers7255]

@@willygerrard3174 If you have anything substantive to add to the topic at hand, I’m all ears.

[@willygerrard3174]

@@sithticklefingers7255 float on then

[@nearheaven5311]

Sometimes there are no words. Sometimes, all you can do is shake your head and wonder... Thanks Mr. Hoover for presenting this in the way that you did.

[@arlenbell4376]

I got my pilot’s license from Louisiana Tech. They had an incredible program with top notch instructors.

[@Pt-11]

My heart goes out to the friend and that young man’s family.

[@speedbag67]

Hoover.. Yours is by FAR the best aviation channel on KZbin... And if aspiring pilots are watching it... There is a very good chance that you are actually saving lives.

[@pilotcritic]

He is a thief.

[@johnvalenzuela5279]

Excellent debrief Hoover. Tragic but obviously avoidable. You are a class act especially when dealing with the ugly sad truth. My heart goes out to the families of both the innocent passenger and the enabling parent.

[@creeper8647]

Thank you so much for the demonstration of spatial disorientation. Now I understand how it happens and what it does.

[@rnews5750]

I share no sorrow for Jet or his dad. This young man's ego eventually sealed his fate. Great job dad. Prayers to Jonathan and his family. I hope they sought legal counsel.

[@Jeremy.Bearemy]

They already lost their son, and now you want them to get sued also? A lawsuit won't bring back Johnathan.

[@rnews5750]

@@Jeremy.Bearemy Of course! Johnathan's life had meaning. The Mr. Montgomery needs to be held accountable for his part.

[@Titere05]

Who doesn't have an ego AND is stupid at 18 man... cut the kid a break. His father, well... In the best case scenario I'd suppose he had a talk with his son about his shenanigans before buying the plane. Jet probably swore he'd mend his ways or something. I guess the dad should've known his son better, but it's so easy to judge other people isn't it?

[@rnews5750]

@@Titere05 No, I don't think so. Jet was responsible for his passenger. They need to be held accountable. If they are not it sets a bad precedence that other "stupid" 18 year old's to do the very same thing killing more innocent people.

[@awesomeferret]

It's wild to me how so many people like you just openly admit that they are mentally ill and have dangerous empathy issues. You know full well it might not be as simple as it seems, yet you're fine with being openly hateful just to get likes. So weird.

[@mriconoclast13]

Congrats for winning this week's FA&FO award as father and son!

[@phazedscrubs]

I remember my first time entering into IMC on an instrument cross country during my instrument training and I became disoriented. My instructor noticed smiled and said welcome to disorientation, now trust your instruments. I kept whispering to myself trust my instruments not my ear fluids and I managed to fly perfectly fine, especially when we were told to hold which is where the disorientation can kick in. Now before I enter IMC I always tell myself trust my instruments not the fluids in my ears and never had issue flying in actual imc ever since. Flying in IMC is no joke especially for those who never received the training so no wonder this poor kid crashed.

[@DrDeuteron]

the fluids in your ears work just fine, since they respond to gravitation. It's the wet-ware processing the data that is no-good.

[@bobwilson758]

Poor kid ?

[@JoeGator23]

@@bobwilson758 Poor kid? More like ignorant manslaughterer.

[@phazedscrubs]

@@DrDeuteron oh yeah, I remember during my private my CFI told me to close my eyes and put my head down and he did some turns and tricked me if we were turning but he caused the fluids to stabilized and told me to recover with the foggles on and it was trippy as hell. He said it will get serious once I start my instrument training. Oh boy he was right

[@p0llk4t07]

​​@@DrDeuterondid you even watch this video which includes a clip of a military disorientation test they showed which demonstrated that you can't trust your inner ear fluid 😂

[@LancePoole-wu6hw]

As a private pilot, this story breaks my heart 😢, I learned to fly while in high school and it's an amazing experience but it is very serious as well. There is an old saying, there are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no old, bold pilots.

[@tjnucnuc]

As a former reckless kid with ADHD those drugs will give you tons of false confidence. I am thankful I didn’t have dumb rich parents to reward my bad behavior or I’d probably be dead too. Honestly I think the other kid’s parents should hold the parents accountable.

[@secondskins-nl]

It's not 'those drugs' it's the abuse of those/medication, that's something totally different. Can't really blame alcohol if you kill a few pedestrians driving drunk can you?

[@LynxSnowCat]

@@secondskins-nl Blaming the [drug] is perhaps too strong a notion. The user's duty is not transferable, so ultimately the responsibility is still theirs. However; _Understanding_ the role drugs (and/or -mania- fetishes) affected them (both good and bad) is important to _recognizing_ and avoiding repeating their mistakes in other contexts. I too have seen the false/inflated confidence leading people to exceed the prescribed/directed dose for their medications, because the impairment as they edge into overdose (higher than therapeutic levels) causes them not to recognise the nature of that impairment. *Even without addiction* it takes constant self-awareness and developing _appropriate_ discipline to correct behaviours leading to recurring 'bad habits'. *Habits that are often intensified* by a prevailing attitude towards dismissing drug-or-mania induced 'out of character' episodes as momentary aberrations and not part of an observable trend precipitated by the misuse of whatever 'socially acceptable' therapy/medication/drug/media/etc. Actively discouraging (outright punishing) seeking better alternatives, while doubling down on the 'easy' answer in hand. (for example:) My [____] of a father has a recurring painkiller+antihistamine habit for which I rightfully blame him for, with the obscene harm he does every time he gets 'a little anxious' _instead of_ getting on an actual pain management plan (disfiguring injury, socialized healthcare, supplemental insurance, and his employer actively hired medical support staff _full time_ then coerced him to use it, leading to him scheduling regular counseling on his own). He consistently deludes himself into thinking "they wouldn't be allowed to sell 'these' drugs OTC if they weren't 'capably' safe" and "I'm following all of the manufactures' instructions to the letter so there can't be anything wrong" without 'considering' most manufacturers aren't expecting someone to use several brands with the same medically active-ingredients _simultaneously_ - [redacted: rage, snowball of politically motivated willful ignorance] It's held him back professionally, but it's easy and so he's surrounded by willfully ignorant idiots who persuade him to do it whenever he seeks advice - because confronting the tangled nuance around (the stigma of getting a prescription medication _versus_ the lower-Eastern-American(?) tradition of self-tonics, and) whatever guilt/shame they deserve for the mistakes they've made, is far more than they are willing _for others_ to consider. (counter example:) I'm also in a support group for narcoleptics (sleep disorders) who have found a common struggle with being medically-abused by "medically qualified" [people] who are so prejudiced against the _medications_ and _basic techniques_ we need that they intervene to abruptly halt treatment without warning or any deeper reasoning than "these Drugs ARE *BAD!"* And even if they [___]off it often takes months to recover the ability to _readily_ communicate, even if doctors didn't _always_ start tritrating us all-over-again at a worthless/ineffective dose *and* refuse to put us back on what was found (through years of painstaking trial and error) to be the effective therapeutic dose for our specific treatment plans -- to avoid being repeatedly censured by regulators, resulting in our shared experiences having to suffer being starved to store-up enough medication to even-attempt a breakout... [redacted: rage, snowball of 'morally' motivated criminal misconduct] .... The point I've wandered away from is: Yes; don't blame the drug for the user's errors. But; Understand how a user's errors with a drug have an insidious (and undesirable) feedback effect, which then primes them to make other (more consequential) mistakes- Especially when the underlying factors in earlier mistakes are ignored, or miss-identified and _incorrectly_ thought to be corrected." I've also seen others (adults since then) fall into similar _brittle_ over-confidence behaviours with anti-depressants (prescribed doses wildly too high) who missed what would later be 'the answer' they've been desperate for because of {a strong childhood stigma against titrating up/down at their discretion} and presumed that a given compound was not going to work. (or later found that X-brand's compounding adversely affected them when forced to switch between whatever Z or Y brand uses, etc.) (edit: Can't cope with, and so hide from confronting the devolving situation their ongoing drug-fueled overconfidence has led them into.)

[@tjnucnuc]

@@secondskins-nl that line between use and abuse is very blurry with amphetamines. yes using those drugs for me and many I know causes feelings of euphoria, anxiety and false confidence. Even at prescribed doses. It’s speed regardless of how little or much you take. Is there a legitimate therapeutic use? Sure.

[@divinecommerce3912]

@@secondskins-nl THOSE DRUGS ARE LEGAL METH AND HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. ADDERALL RUINS LIVES.

[@Glanthor88]

@@tjnucnuc i think it's just convenient to perscribe speed in america... there are so many other ways to treat ADHD... here in eastern europe speed is one of the most used drugs, i used it myself before and i can't imagine who in the right mind would accept to treat his kid with it. yes it can be useful, but there are so many other options and to be effective it needs a very responsible person to take or good supervision. to mee it seems like perscribing oxycontin for minor pain...

[@jimmymiller77]

Have been a Military Flight Instructor this is more common than you night think. The ego of young people is incredable. The idea of " I can do anything " is so strong it sad. This mans channel should be a must watch for current and future flyers. He cuts no corners and tells it like it is. My prayers out to the parents of this accident. Keep the shiny side up !!

[@richwightman3044]

I’m not sure I believe anyone who spells military as “Milatary” was ever in the military, much less a pilot. I’ve never heard one story of a military flight cadet taking a plane on an unauthorized 0400 joy ride and crashing with a non pilot ride along.

[@jimmymiller77]

@@richwightman3044 I am disabled and 80 years old. I'm sorry about my spelling JIm

[@CMDRkarstenvader]

​@@richwightman3044that's embarrassing for you.

[@rogerwilco2]

I don't think it is true for all young people. But this seems to have been a rich kid that has never heard the word no in their life. Naming your kid Jet already makes me question the parents.

[@corkldlwlslcops]

I've seen it in some middle-aged private pilots. 150 hours and they think they're God. They do the most stupid things.

[@benpratt4681]

People don't realize to what degree flying is on the honor system. There are no sky cops to pull you over if you're flying drunk or reckless. His instructors were 100% right in limiting his 90-day solo endorsements and requiring a verbal brief every flight. The "no passengers" rule is actually redundant: every student certificate states that carrying passengers is prohibited. If you're ever VFR and you end up in instrument conditions: fly straight and level, call somebody, fess up, comply with their instructions. Deal with the paperwork when you're alive and safely on the ground.

[@ExtremeRecluse]

I recall a saying about old, bold pilots. This applies here.

[@dizzlx4662]

methinks Jet's dad will be receiving a lawsuit

[@billhart3134]

And what do you bet his dad sues Piper, the CFI’s and the flight school. My guess is they will do anything to place blame anywhere but themselves.

[@simont1108]

Buying his son a plane was foolish but not illegal. The blame lies with a dead youngster. But the lawyers will overlook that. There is money to be made.

[@linanicolia1363]

actually maybe not , as he was 18. The parents are no longer liable, for any criminal act. That was certainly one, very predictable.

[@linanicolia1363]

John Travolta did that, named his autistic son, Jet. He died of a head injury due to a fall in the bathtub, as he was having a seizure. It is what they said, happened to the kid. That one never got to fly his own plane.

[@TheDesertRat31]

​@simont1108 nope. Buying the plane directly led to the death of the friend. If the Dad didn't buy the plane,there wouldn't be any plane to crash. Would the kid have found another way? Maybe, probably, but we know for sure he would not have crashed this plane.

[@mmatejka01]

This is tragic. But you discussing it will hopefully prevent a future incident. Another great video Hoover...

[@lesleymorgan01]

Aside from the story itself, this is the best explanation of spatial disorientation I've seen. Way to go, Hoover (as always).

[@MrFirstonraceday]

As a private pilot and motorcyclist I can confirm that poor judgement and pushing the boundaries can have catastrophic results. Always respect the machine.

[@MikeM275]

Your spatial disorientation in the Barany Chair reminded me of my first flights under the hood. Thank goodness I had a very good instructor which made me concentrate directly and only on the instruments. Looking back I think his soft spoken yet none stop instructions in the first few minutes of each flight under the hood really helped me. It is extremely easy if you're not IFR to become completely disoriented in clouds.

[@DrJohn493]

It is a real shame that these kinds of accidents repeat themselves. A long time pilot acquaitance bought his son a worn out wood wing Mooney years ago, got an A&P to "pencil whip" an annual, the son took three others flying with him on nice day, buzzed his parents house, pulled up abruptly, pulled a wing off the Mooney, and killed all four on board. His parents and friends of the family witnessed the whole thing. Investigators found rot in the wing structure. That dad and the mother never recovered from the grief and ultimately led to their divorce.

[@rebelroar78]

Thinking about being on a plane with rotten wood makes me want to throw up.

[@nathanielalgernon975]

shouldn't there be some sort of certificate associated with selling an airplane to ensure it's airworthy.

[@davidkavanagh189]

@@nathanielalgernon975 Nope. It's up to the owner/operator to ensure it is airworthy. A plane can be sold in any condition.

[@davidkavanagh189]

@@nathanielalgernon975 To be more clear, there is a certificate of airworthiness but it can be expired or revoked. You can buy a plane with an expired certificate and have a mechanic do the maintenance due on it to renew the certificate. That is the responsibility of the owner/operator.

[@christhorney]

@@nathanielalgernon975 brother read the comment you replied to again, the new owner got an annual pencil whipped up, meaning, he got his buddy to certify the plane without actually inspecting it, there is no need to provide anything when you sell a plane, if it doesnt have a valid annual then you wont be able to register and insure and fly it legally, so you need the annual inspection for airworthyness, but in this case is was "pencil whipped" up lol. if your selling a plane without a valid airworthy then its obviously going to be a lot cheaper than one that has a valid certificate, the dad obviously brought the cheapest POS plane he could get, got it through the airworth inspection be dodgy means, and therefore it crashed, it has nothing at all to do with the person who sold the plane in the condition it was in, and everything to do with the new owner trying to save some bucks on buying the cheapest plane with no valid airworthy and then pushing it through a dodgy inspection to get the required paper work to be "legal"

[@patrickkenney1080]

You always do such a nice job of being very concise, factual, and very respectful. Appreciate your time in doing these videos.

[@theclassicliberal1915]

I’m from Ruston, La and went to LA tech myself, I remember hearing about this when I was in town visiting my parents.

[@clurkroberts2650]

4 am flight after disobeying instructor guidances? Showing up intoxicated at flight school? This child was out of control. Jet was spoiled by his father, which tragically led to his death on this final foolish joy ride, and even worse, death of his friend. I’m sure his demise was not a surprise to many who knew him or instructed him. Sad.

[@arthurfoyt6727]

Well, some people ignore laws. The laws of physics don't care who you are and are absolute. Break them and they break you.

[@medula]

Flying requires a high level of aptitude and paradoxically a high level of humility.

[@konewone361]

requires a hell of a lot of maturity too, something that seems to be severely lacking with insta grammars etc.

[@matoko123]

And a particularly low level of amphetamines!

[@dkluempers]

I started my pilot training while I was still in the Army, I was 20 years old. My instructor was always at the flight school to go over what we would be doing or what I should be doing if I was flying solo. I reported to the flight school for a scheduled dual flight and the weather was getting bad and it was going to get worse, this was in Honolulu, HI. My instructor asked why I was there, and I told him we had a flight scheduled. He looked at me and asked me if it was my decision to fly today would I go? I said no, and he said I passed my lesson that day and I went home. I also recall he did a flight with me and had me put on an instrument hood and proceeded to yank the aircraft around then asked me which direction the airplane was flying. I said left descending turn. When I looked up, I saw the plane in a climbing right turn. We then did unusual attitude recovery with the hood on. I learned to trust the instruments. I also learned not get in over my head. I did get my private license and the examiner told me this was when I really started to learn about flying. Unfortunately, school and life got expensive, and I ended my flying with about 200 hours. These debriefs really bring back some of the lessons and make me appreciate that I had a very good flight instructor. I can't imagine any student disregarding an instructor's instructions not to fly.

[@paulahenry2142]

Gc