Wesley was the pilot in command and had enough experience to know better than to make the choices that led to this terrible tragedy. If you want to see what happens when an 18-year-old student pilot takes off on a rogue flight at 4am and overflies a military base then watch this debrief 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHTYYqyhhrN1psU
@matthew-jy5jp3 ай бұрын
I'm not a pilot. But I love your channel and the respect to show to all the pilots that take flying serious. Also you are super responsible when talking about these terrible tragedies
@bloomingale78683 ай бұрын
Hoover - Is it considered rude as a passenger to ask to see a pilot’s flight and plane qualifications, flight plan as well as the alternate landing/approach plan, and the plane’s maintenance records and the total weight before boarding? It seems many passengers in these debriefs just blindly trust the pilots to do the right thing.
@josephroberts68653 ай бұрын
Another excellent debrief. You covered all the bases well. One thought, when the controller first reported the field IFR, the pilot could have requested a special VFR entry into class D airspace but instead the controller simply advised the airport as IFR. Regardless, with a snow storm in their route of flight, attempting a VFR cross country is certainly not advisable.
@greggpedder3 ай бұрын
@@bloomingale7868 Not at all. If I was your pilot I would be more than happy to spend an hour going through all of that with you no problem at all. It might have to be done the day before though because the morning/day of the flight is (should be) a busy time for a pilot making all the necessary preparations.
@RonRossmore3 ай бұрын
Of course.
@dicksonfranssen3 ай бұрын
Why do I keep hearing the same words & phrases, *no flight plan, no instrument rating, incorrect weight & balance, other pilots on board & no one speaks up?* The controller did a masterful job and still six people died for no good reason.
@paulis73193 ай бұрын
Those are all the holes in the swiss cheese.
@robertgantry21183 ай бұрын
No one speaks up because they weren't sure if they had the popular opinion. That's what lemmings do. They say and do whatever they _feel_ will be most popular.
@Skank_and_Gutterboy3 ай бұрын
There was one Cessna 172 flight when I was 15 years old where I'm lucky this didn't happen to me. This was in the mid-80s, the airport was small but took a few 737 flights a day and was controlled. My 16 year old friend had a pilot's license (so he said), and invited me to take a flight with him. I don't know who the plane even belonged to, he said vaguely that it was owned by his family. This guy did no preflight checks and never even looked at a checklist. He said that he knew "from last time" that it had enough fuel. On the taxi out to the runway, he keyed the mic, did some talking, and muttered, "This f***ing radio is still broken." We took off without clearance, did some flying around near the airport for about half an hour, and then came back and landed without clearance. I feel lucky now that we weren't arrested on the ramp. For that matter, I'm just happy that we didn't crash due to low fuel. A few days later, I saw a TV documentary hosted by a guy, "Let's take a Cessna 172 flight!" As I'm watching him do all these preps, the walk-around, take samples from the wing tanks ("You want to make sure that the fuel is a nice sky-blue color with no particulates or other contamination!"), and run checklists prior to flight, I realized that my friend didn't do any of this. He didn't even check the fuel level. I realized that he didn't do anything, we just hopped in like a car and off we went. After that, I turned down all offers to go flying with him again. I don't know if he ever got in trouble for any of this. He moved away a year after this and I don't know what ever came of him.
@afdchocolatemilk21073 ай бұрын
I'm a newish vfr 60 year old pilot and this stuff drives me crazy. I own a Mooney and if I ever have a question about my flight, I ask before I rotate.
@3BK235Y3 ай бұрын
The impression is that there are too many incompetent private pilots in the US. It is possible that it is the same thing - or worse than that - in many other coutries. What makes the situation in the US particularly serious is because their number is much greater than in most other countries in the world. My impression.
@EatDrinkBeMerry3 ай бұрын
It probably wasn’t this guy’s first time bending the rules. It’s surprising he lived as long as he did, in my opinion.
@vengant3 ай бұрын
Well, even if you break the rules, it often still works out... until it doesn't. That's why we should not break them.
@3BK235Y3 ай бұрын
@@vengant "I broke the rule and it still worked" is a typical error of representation.
@87mini3 ай бұрын
Probably 2200 hrs of day trips and overnights to local airports. Like sailing around the bay for years and then deciding to hit open water down the coast for a day. With clouds on the horizon.
@dlxmarks3 ай бұрын
I have a friend whose father has been a corner-cutter and rule-bender/breaker for all of his 72 years. He truly shouldn't still be alive or at least not have all of his limbs with the dumb choices he's made but somehow he lives in a weird state of grace that protects him. The funny thing is that my friend, growing up with that as a role model, thought that was how to do things but every time he tried cheating, he got caught and faced the consequences until he learned that honesty is the best policy.
@3BK235Y2 ай бұрын
@@dlxmarks 🤣🤣🤣That's really funny.
@bubobubo413 ай бұрын
"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth, and sooner or later that debt is paid"
@Rowganlife3 ай бұрын
thats an interesting quote, that i had not heard.
@francikaa13 ай бұрын
@@Rowganlife That is a quote from the Chernobyl series, during the addressing of the explosion by the head scientist. This pilot guy went full eastern europe right there.
@ma-jp8bf3 ай бұрын
"The truth is not what you want it to be, it is what it is. You must bend to its power, or live a lie" - Miyamoto Musashi
@Dub4Yah3 ай бұрын
As the Bible says, what’s done in darkness always comes to light
@dienekes43643 ай бұрын
I like that!!!
@sseeplane69503 ай бұрын
I've been following your channel for about a year now and my stomach gets in a knot listening to every accident breakdown. I flew privately for 30+ years and decided to stop cold turkey about 10yrs ago after realizing I was losing my "edge", making too many little dumb mistakes that I had read about in so many post-accident reports. I miss the challenge of flying safely, but don't regret knowing when my last flight occurred. Keep up the good work.
@LewisTheFly8883 ай бұрын
@Sseaplane6950 I am impressed by your self assessment. So many people can not do that even for driving a vehicle. Well done.
@BingBangBye2 ай бұрын
Good for you. It's far better to choose what will be your final flight than to have circumstances make that choice for you.
@SofaKingShit2 ай бұрын
"Quit cold turkey" 😂.
@bunyip422 ай бұрын
Good decision! I made the same choice a few years ago, I wasn't flying enough to be at the top of my game. Just being current isn't enough. BTW, I'm instrument rated but would file a flight plan for XC even on hard VFR days (not a cloud in the sky). It was especially handy in Addison TX (KADS) flying south as they could just route me straight through the Class B airspace, as well as tell me about traffic.
@audrybella64052 ай бұрын
Good decision and remember, there is never a good reason to regret being able to talk about your last flight. Beats the hell out of the alternative.
@RealityOrganized3 ай бұрын
8:40. "It's better to get in a little bit of trouble than to end up dead." Wisdom. Five other people died because of one man's ego issues.
@jimhaney63842 ай бұрын
Wreck is so mangled, I thought the thumbnail was a burned out tank from 'The Tank Museum' Channel.
@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul2 ай бұрын
Wesley didn't have an instrument rating, but what about the other pilots aboard?
@tonkatruck196816 күн бұрын
@@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul Perhaps they never knew they were in trouble...He was talking on headset to ATC ..To Proud to ask for help
@redbarchetta87823 ай бұрын
When you deny you're in trouble, you're in BIG trouble.
@Electra2253 ай бұрын
Simply put, but so true.
@noahj.12323 ай бұрын
Well said
@Robertjames5253 ай бұрын
Arrogance…..
@eriklarson91372 ай бұрын
I'm not in trouble.
@eriklarson91372 ай бұрын
I'm not in trouble.
@tearsofjoyrecords3 ай бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me how many of these pilots don’t know how to use everything on board the planes they fly.
@dark_memer422 ай бұрын
Quite and it's not exactly a 747 either
@mikeramsey97473 ай бұрын
As a retired air traffic controller I was always shocked that VFR pilots would wait until the last minute to ask for help, like we were their last choice. I practiced performing surveillance monthly and had performed multiple actual surveillance approaches. I don't understand why the FAA has eliminated surveillance approach requirements at most airports when this is such a valuable tool in our controller arsenal.
@fjb49322 ай бұрын
@mikeramsey, "I don't understand why the FFA ..." Mike, let's keep it simple: Where is the FFA located ?" As it's pronounced here in Missoula Montana..."WaRshington". The Swamp does not begin to describe the disfunction... ☆
@theMoerster3 ай бұрын
Good on the ATC to recognize that the pilot clearly didn't know how to land IFR and try to help where he could. His instructions on the surveillance approach were clear...Wesley just lacked the ability, or willingness, to follow them properly. I hope ATC gets any help he needs to cope with this aircraft being lost on his watch. He did what he could.
@mvubu68233 ай бұрын
Hey Hoover I get to charter lots of aircraft for my clients and often get to ride along into remote areas. Your channel has taken my awareness 5 levels up. I now have a serious set of questions ahead of every trip, that makes it very clear to both pilot and charter firm that we expect everyone to engage their brains on all aspects and have plans A, B and C in place before anyone gets on their flight. I know it annoys them, but I don't care. 95% of your videos show arrogance meets incompetence at the worst possible moments.
@LewisTheFly8883 ай бұрын
That is fantastic to read. I hope that your clients really appreciate the extra safety that you insist on. Impressive!
@cremebrulee475920 күн бұрын
That's how it should be! Safety First isn't an empty phrase. It came about for a reason. Thank you!
@gliderfan61963 ай бұрын
The most tragic thing is that I started to listen to the video and had that deja vu "wait a minute, he did a video about this already? no? wait... no... it is another story, but every element is repeated, rogue pilot, 5 passengers...." That is truly tragic
@PukeyMcDork3 ай бұрын
Yeah i thought the exact same thing. One more element is that this guy probably did not understand English that well, in Chicago we have a lot of folks like this where so few people speak English, particularly older folks, that when it gets stressful they simply can't communicate. Obviously was a factor here
@DrDeuteron3 ай бұрын
I’m there right now. The military base is a different precious story tho, right?
@johnporter68773 ай бұрын
@@PukeyMcDork😢
@adotintheshark48483 ай бұрын
dude spoke better English (barely) than he could fly.
@SuburbanDon3 ай бұрын
ok if i ever do a single engine flight again its only with you
@crazy4dariver3 ай бұрын
One of the best small charter pilots I ever met was retired USN and zero BS. He had a luggage and a separate person scale in his hanger. If he doubted what you claimed..scale time. He carried a small portable one in all three of his aircrafts because return can be worse with the same people
@57Jimmy3 ай бұрын
Totally agree. EVERY plane/pilot should be required to have scales and weigh EVERYTHING. If someone finds that too intrusive, fine. WALK! Everyones safety is far more important than anyones vanity!
@GeorgeSemel3 ай бұрын
Over my career, I got lied to so much about weight that out of self preservation I carried my own scale
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
I'm a 99. I went on a day flight with a pilot and three passengers. We would be limited on the weight of our luggage (our purses). Not wanting to admit my true body weight, I told the pilot I weighed 110 but my purse weighed 45 pounds. (P.S. She got the joke.)
@bikeny3 ай бұрын
@@gingerhiser7312 Please forgive me ignorance, but what does 'I'm a 99" mean?
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
@@bikeny International women's pilot organization. I mentioned that because all passengers were pilots and knew the importance of weight and balance. P.S. they got my joke.
@richardcatalinajr.3693 ай бұрын
Finally, an ATC I can actually understand.
@2Phast4Rocket3 ай бұрын
There are pilots like this guy at every airport. We have one who almost never left the local area but feel he is the expert of everything aviation, giving advice on navigation, etc yet he rarely used more than 5 gallons of fuel in each flight. He has the latest navigation and autopilot avionics but he often struggled to use it for more than keeping heading. Anything more complicated got him flustered.
@kevinchachere9073 ай бұрын
There's nothing worse than being stupid with other people's lives in your hands.
@lindaschad97342 ай бұрын
And just imagine the ensuing lawsuits! This guy was a total jerk.
@Heathcoatman3 ай бұрын
"Bad things dont happen to me because I'm special and unique. Bad things happen to other people, not a main character like me"
@6thwilbury23312 ай бұрын
Yeah, EXACTLY, you nailed it. And part of the problem is that bad things often don't happen to such people, at least in the short run. This pilot probably got away with it multiple times, not realizing how badly he was defying the odds. People like that are the equivalent of someone who plays Russian Roulette only once. Then he comes out unharmed - as will happen 80 or 83 percent of the time - and somehow concludes, "See? It's not dangerous!" Of course, the rest of us are thinking, yeah, keep playing and find out.
@Heathcoatman2 ай бұрын
@@6thwilbury2331 Yep. My niece is a chronic tailgater, and a high speed one at that. I wont even get in the car with her. She once told me that she's done it 1000 times and never got in a crash. I tried to explain the physics of it and was like trying to explain economics to a hamster. She actually believes that because she takes risks and hasnt been killed yet is proof of what a great driver she is.
@OwenLenzmeierOrganist3 ай бұрын
One thing worth noting is that the pilot's family continues to publicly deny his incompetence. They've said such things as "he would never take too little fuel on board." Just utterly sad.
@awesome_comment3 ай бұрын
Stupidity must run in the family because the lack of fuel was pretty easy to prove.
@giggiddy3 ай бұрын
Because they can't believe their hero, the one who paid all their bills, was really an arrogant dumb ass and a killer of 5 people plus himself.
@dicksonfranssen3 ай бұрын
Same thing with entitled children. "Not my Johnny, he's a good boy". A friend's child got away with everything until one night police tracking dogs led straight to his front door. The parents made a generous "donation" and all charges were dropped.
@BamaCyn3 ай бұрын
😮@@dicksonfranssen
@ak2nda6953 ай бұрын
Technically, according to Hoover, there was just enough fuel. I wonder if the family denies the pilot was way off course and used too much fuel to make it to the first " planned" stop.
@oldguysrule58953 ай бұрын
Criminal. Not only is there no reason for this to happen, it is the highest form of gross negligence and misconduct imaginable. I feel so sad for the young woman and her father. And shame on the other pilots for their culpability in this manslaughter.
@johnnunn86883 ай бұрын
Especially culpable if any had an instrument rating.
@digiblak9973 ай бұрын
Lying to air traffic is like lying to your doctor or lawyer. Probably will end up with you dead or in jail.
@dicksonfranssen3 ай бұрын
Being truthful almost always pays off. 45 years ago I admitted I had been drinking. The officer asked if I could make it the 1/4 mile home & let me off. (different time obviously) "No I have never wanted children" got me my beautiful wife of 27 years. Your doctor & lawyer are on your side, what have you got to lose?
@DrDeuteron3 ай бұрын
Too bad client privilege is under attack, because you’re right,
@kamakaziozzie30383 ай бұрын
@@DrDeuteronI’ve noticed that as well. Going after attorneys because they represent unpopular clients is a scary turn of events
@DrDeuteron3 ай бұрын
@@kamakaziozzie3038 I think they also used privileged communication as evidence a recent high profile trial. On the doctor side, there are certain things that are not as private as you once thought. They're always "screening" for depression--and then you can get red flagged, or if during your physical you say "I drank too much after my father died"--bam, you got substance abuse on your jacket and in the insurance companies find out, or your SSBI investigators, and all kinds of headaches ensue. The worst, though I think out of Canada, is, your doc will rat you out for disagreements on the value of a binary biological bit when discussing your child. Yikes. Same with ATC: once you say something, you can't unsay it, and it leads to hesitance.
@alexbaer78103 ай бұрын
@@dicksonfranssen45 years ago it might've worked to be honest and tell the cop you had alcohol but that's a sure path to a DUI these days. Even if you blow under the legal limit they will still charge you. Modern policing is basically revenue generation dressed up like it keeps us safe.
@angryscottishmechanic8483 ай бұрын
This is just tragic, but with all the crazy atc, we have seen in the news, Can we all take a minute and appreciate this controller. He exemplifies the 99.9% of controllers keeping the skys safe everyday.
@Heike--2 ай бұрын
you can tell just from the voice that he's competent and not a DEI hire.
@Skullair313Ай бұрын
This whole "DEI hire" legend is stupid, especially in aviation. There are strict training standards in place and enforced. If you fail your training, you fail, regardless of your background. The simplest proof here is, that people, who would not be conidered "DEI hires" by political extremists, crash planes or mess up and continue to do so.
@Heike--Ай бұрын
@@Skullair313 Nope! They an and do bend or break standards so that the DEI hires can get the positions. There are punishments for those who do not obey.
@pcaviator6873 ай бұрын
I just finished watching this new debrief and I am so impressed with how well produced the video is. You've definitely upped your game Hoover and it shows. Unfortunately it's another extremely disturbing tragedy due to an arrogant and careless pilot that cost the lives of the five passengers who trusted him. This was truly sickening and totally avoidable. Your attention to detail and quality of these videos really shows how much effort you put into relaying these incidents. Very much appreciated and I look forward to the next debrief!
@jmax86923 ай бұрын
As a new follower, who just binged almost every video he’s ever made. No he hasn’t changed a thing. He hasn’t updated production or anything. Yes he’s phenomenal and very well spoken and great evaluations but no your brown nosing 😂
@johnnunn86883 ай бұрын
@@jmax8692*you’re. 😉
@donnix11923 ай бұрын
He is one of the best aviation KZbinrs , right there with Juan Brown from Blancolirio.
@pcaviator6873 ай бұрын
@@jmax8692 Are we in high school here? There is no "brown nosing" going on here, just appreciating his efforts and the work that goes into creating these videos. He has always done a great job with these, but I actually have noticed various improvements over time. If you don't see it that's your opinion.
@synupps8773 ай бұрын
Several of the "passengers that trusted him" were also pilots, so it seems that they might not have been ~innocent.
@MichaelDLevin3 ай бұрын
As a pilot, I've seen this before. No matter how many hours a pilot has, an unsafe pilot is an unsafe pilot. It so often eventually catches up with them. If a pilot has a casual attitude about flying, watch out, it can be deadly!
@abn82dmp2 ай бұрын
Agreed! My uncle has his pilot's license (small craft), and is absolutely meticulous. He follows the rules of having enough fuel to make it to an alternate airport. He even was on a flight to Block Island with my dad, and prepping for the return he found a small nick in the prop. may have been safe, but he decided they would take the ferry home and he left the plane to be repaired (NEW prop.). No reason to take a chance..."not like you can pull over if there is a problem" I heard him say on many occasions.
@outwiththem2 ай бұрын
Casual... Hell no'.. the guy was a dam liar and pretender. Thats all.
@johnopalko52233 ай бұрын
The pilot sounds like a "don't question my judgement" kind of guy. Personally, I like it when people question my judgement. It usually means they've noticed something I've missed. It encourages me to rethink my decisions. I may not change my mind but, at least, I will have considered their position.
@kosmamoczek3 ай бұрын
I couldn't bring myself to watch after he lied about being IFR capable. This is beyond words.
@NoelleTakestheSky3 ай бұрын
It gets worse.
@brianarbenz13293 ай бұрын
He obviously was concerned about preserving his reputation, not his and passengers' lives.
@TylerN737s2 ай бұрын
Along the list of things to set yourself up for failure, I don’t think he missed many boxes……. Sad.
@jeremypnet2 ай бұрын
Same here. Currently stopped at 9.13
@stevecarter8810Ай бұрын
ATC did a great job of seeing through his BS, so good dishonesty was less of a factor than you might expect. Ultimately his inability to comply with instructions was his undoing.
@TheBeingReal3 ай бұрын
This flight was not a swiss cheese hole alignment: it was one giant hole. To mess up every aspect of that flight is amazing.
@tomk86633 ай бұрын
You're right @TheBeingReal. No cheese in this model, just one big hole.
@UncleKennysPlace3 ай бұрын
Yep. "Hold the cheese, please."
@ExMachina703 ай бұрын
45 years of complete incompetence.
@simona62293 ай бұрын
Some pilots have 2200hrs. Some pilots have just 1hr experience they've repeated 2200 times. How can anyone look at those instruments for 2200 hrs and not have a curiosity as to how they work! Probably just 2200 hrs launching gliders in the same airspace with little actual navigation and routing skill.
@fastjet32153 ай бұрын
Spot on!
@ExMachina703 ай бұрын
@@simona6229 _"Dem button are purtty. What dey do?"_
@philalcoceli63283 ай бұрын
Some people have 45 years of growing experience while others have one year of incompetence repeated 45 times.
@bsanaee3 ай бұрын
@@simona6229 I'm not a pilot, but as I understand it getting an IFR rating is a bad idea if you're not planning to fly often in IFR conditions because the skills will degrade over time while your belief in them may not. I'm just saying, plenty of people seem to be happy flying exclusively in good weather and I don't see anything wrong with that. I think there were enough mistakes on this flight to upbraid the guy for without having to invent or hypothesize other personal failings to throw into the mix.
@ncc74656m3 ай бұрын
The worst part of this is knowing that this guy made all the wrong choices, mostly intentionally, and here he had one of the best controllers you could ask for. Pity to think that the effort was lost, and how many other times and places that kind of heroic effort on behalf of the controller would've saved lives. I've heard a dozen stories or more where it came down to "If the controller had realized and given the pilot direction..." Such a shame.
@billfly21863 ай бұрын
I did an ASR approach years ago going into Roanoke in night VFR. I did it because the controller requested it so he could remain current. It was very easy and accurate. Took me straight down to the runway. I had about 70 hours at that time.
@FlyingDoctor603 ай бұрын
I did the same thing into Green Bay one night many years ago. Even did no-gyro procedures. Worked like a charm.
@shivadasa3 ай бұрын
Sounds like he didn’t have 2200 hours of flight time; he had 100 hour 22 times.
@mark-ish3 ай бұрын
Or he faked most of it.
@henryford27363 ай бұрын
How can 4 "pilots" agree to go VFR from IL to FL? That's Nuts 🥜 in itself. I have flown the Seneca IFR and it's a handful. If I remember the only "anti ice" you have is Pitot heat. That's about it. This guy was in it way over his head...
@T_Mo2712 ай бұрын
And in winter.
@brettlac3 ай бұрын
If you're a pilot you know how frustrating it is to be sharing the sky with these types of pilots. They are constantly creating dangerous situations not only for themselves but everyone around them. Most of these videos that I watch it seems like the pilots are literally TRYING to die. The best thing to do in these situations is to call ATC and say "im an idiot and i made stupid choices but i need to get these people on the ground safely".
@crisprtalk69633 ай бұрын
idiots think they are Einsteins. THere's your problem.
@giggiddy3 ай бұрын
I can tell you how frustrating it is to live on the ground with these ass-hats flying over you and your family- most with no insurance. Just a bunch of posers putting everyone around them at risk.
@57Jimmy3 ай бұрын
You could definitely hear the resignation in his voice. He gave up. Would be better to have been a bug on the outside of the windshield than a smudge on the inside.😢
@brettlac3 ай бұрын
@@57Jimmy yeah its just sad that someone would rather risk the death of everyone on board than have the appearance of not knowing what they are doing.
@giggiddy3 ай бұрын
@@57Jimmy The chump probably never had to struggle for anything in his life. So just giving up so easily just comes naturally to someone who doesn't know what struggling feels like. But in doing so, the assclown also gave up on everyone else's life in the plane. And that is unacceptable. Yet his family insists he did nothing wrong. Pathetic.
@johnkidd16943 ай бұрын
I can tell you from the picture that the pilot did not weigh 195 pounds.
@vapsa563 ай бұрын
I thought the same thing. That pilot was way over 195. 225 to 235 minimum.
@jahnkaplank86262 ай бұрын
you sound like an offshore heli pilot lol pax always guess
@pollylewis96113 ай бұрын
Oh man, with 4 experienced pilots onboard this flight no one spoke up to help, maybe the others did and were ignored, just breaks my heart these lives were taken from the lies that were made, thank you Hoover you always have the best debriefs.
@JB-yb4wn3 ай бұрын
Could be that they all had the same lack of training that our suicide jockey had.
@billythekid32343 ай бұрын
Polly,,,, there's a good chance at least 1 spoke up, but were they IFR rated? Thats the key here I reckon. We will never know,,,,,,,,,,,, RIP tp all!.
@beanzbeanz3 ай бұрын
I suspect the pilot concealed the situation from the others which is why he was speaking so calmly.
@newttella10433 ай бұрын
I think in their culture the pushiest guy gets his way. They value the alpha male persona. The more over bearing you are, the more respect you gain.
@dashriprock43083 ай бұрын
Had the pilot lived, he would have been charged with manslaughter.
@edwardwong6543 ай бұрын
Sounds like the pilot was a one man Swiss cheese.
@dicksonfranssen3 ай бұрын
More like head cheese with a side of arrogance. No thanks, does the airport restaurant have salad?
@matteframe3 ай бұрын
true, but all the other pilots on the plane that didn't say or do anything added some serious cheese holes
@RC-Flight2 ай бұрын
Or cabbage roll!
@dhones233 ай бұрын
I’m astonished at the level of incompetence here. Did he spend his entire flying “career” within a small group of peers that had similar levels of incompetence? Where were his BFR’s done? How could this incredibly obvious chain of events get past four pilots? Thanks for the higher insurance rates my man.
@paulyg17413 ай бұрын
I used to be a part time weight and balance guy for an aviation company, always shocked me the disregard some pilots had for balancing and the MAC
@Darkvirgo88xx3 ай бұрын
I remember this one. The pilot had thousands of hours and no instrument rating, neither did the pilot passengers either. A friend told him he was overweight and he lied saying he verified everything. Then he attempts to fly over a thousands miles in bad weather with a overweight plane that is burning through fuel. Also I hope someone relieved that controller because one of his final prompts to Wesley you could tell he knew what happened and he asked him to please respond.
@culcune3 ай бұрын
I was trying to figure out if the passengers had IFR, but the fact that none of them seemed to jump into action tells me his ego wouldn't allow help and he kept them all in the dark, or, as you noted, none of them had instrument ratings.
@outwiththem2 ай бұрын
@@culcune Polish,, My GF was polish too. Very intelligent. Most are democrats too.
@mattmatt65722 ай бұрын
Way not true I'm polish and many of us are republican. The left lane is for crime
@johnh25272 ай бұрын
@@outwiththem If most are democrats than most are not very intelligent.
@Darkvirgo88xx2 ай бұрын
@@culcune None of them were instrument rated and just went along I believe he lied to them. Because he told tower he was able to do IFR flight just like the Lance pilot in another accident. He was flying so erratic that the controller wanted him to land, plus he was burning more fuel from being overweight. At one point he was almost lined up correctly but he was still trying to fly visual thats why he hit the powerlines because he was already below minimum vectorting altitude but the controller needed him to land. The new controller felt bad for him.
@Dagroovi3 ай бұрын
This is one of the most unprepared pilots I’ve watched a sad video about
@TimHayward3 ай бұрын
Hoover could do a whole week on the things I did, but I lived through them.
@michaeldenesyk31953 ай бұрын
Arrogance is the biggest killer of pilots
@mark-ish3 ай бұрын
destinationitis
@michaelmartinez13453 ай бұрын
@michaeldenesyk3195 - Sadly, yes... Not always do they cheat and bend the rules like this guy did, but unfortunately, some of them get in over their head, and things like this happen... Complacency and arrogance led up to this situation... The worst part is when there are others in the plane and/or on the ground, who also can get hurt / killed...The pilot should have listened to and considered the questions his buddy asked him before making the flight... BTW, The worst aviation crash in history, was caused by an Arrogant KLM pilot who would NOT listen to or even consider consulting, his co-pilot and flight engineer, who were pleading him : NOT to take-off... That claimed 583 lives, all because he refused to listen and check with his other compadres in the cockpit... That happened in Teneriffe, Los Rodeos Airport, a vacation resort island just outside of Spain 3/27/1977... What was the date of this PA-34 crash, does anybody here know? 0:03 0:03
@tbird812 ай бұрын
Unfortunately there's a good percentage of pilots who have extremely arrogant personalities.
@desdicadoric2 ай бұрын
Absolutely right.
@donaldjohnson20382 ай бұрын
And many other situations.
@tangojuli2093 ай бұрын
Wonder if he was "faking it till he made it" in front of his peers, shamed to ask for help, posturing, and/or fatal arrogance.
@superbmediacontentcreator3 ай бұрын
This was the basis of the comment I made having had a lot of interaction with the Polish social and cultural community.
@pavel96523 ай бұрын
“U.S. accident statistics reveal that a helicopter pilot who unintentionally continues VFR flight into IMC will very likely lose control of their aircraft and be dead within a median time of 56 seconds." 1) What is the median value for a fixed-wing aircraft in the US? 2) Do polish pilots in the US have statistically significant, worse safety records?
@speedygonzales90903 ай бұрын
He did ask for help... What do you think a "Mayday call" is???🤔
@2nd_of_33 ай бұрын
I bet he spoke so calmly because he was trying to keep his passengers in the dark. Bet the back where they were sitting was pretty loud. Hopefully they never had a clue 😢
@pimacanyon62083 ай бұрын
@@speedygonzales9090 right, but he needed specific help that he didn't ask for. He needed help finding the airport and landing without IFR but he lied about having being IFR rated. It's unbelieve to me how person's pride is so strong that he's willing to risk his own life and the lives of 5 other people rather than admit he's made a serious mistake.
@jonathanrex3 ай бұрын
The overestimation of his flying skills were even more fatal than his lies. Many VFR pilots believe being able to fly in IMC with a little simulator experience. Lost in clouds you actually have to suppress senses that send false signals to the brain regarding spatial orientation. This not only requires discipline, but above all a lot of training.
@mowtivatedmechanic11722 ай бұрын
Uhmmmm yeah that part.
@markdaniel87402 ай бұрын
There are always distractions in real life that you won't get on the simulator. Then you get into a situation of uncertainty and trust the seat of your pants.
@RaymondHaley-lv2mo3 ай бұрын
After all these instructions, the pilot didn't have any clue as to what he was doing, worst of all his lies killed 5 people.
@superwag6342 ай бұрын
On the other hand, they as pilots themselves made some very poor decisions too
@3beltwesty2 ай бұрын
And those passengers were pilots too.
@bfreeman723 ай бұрын
I admire aviation and those who have acquired the skills necessary to fly. This video shows there are a lot of dangerously incompetent people who operate as pilots. Very scary to see people acting so recklessly.
@97TJ3 ай бұрын
Hoover, excellent debrief as always. Made me think of the Southern Airways mishap at that same airport in 1970; the pilots descended below MDA and hit the ground about one mile short of the approach end of runway 11 [at the time, now 12]. The Marshall Univ football team was aboard. It was the catalyst for the installation of the GPWS system
@GLF-Video3 ай бұрын
Those five passengers were well over 200 lbs each.
@sananselmospacescienceodys73083 ай бұрын
It looks that way. None of them were Slim Good Body.
@2Phast4Rocket3 ай бұрын
potatoes and polish sausages tend to do that to people.
@pep5903 ай бұрын
The female reporter was clearly Not.
@blogengeezer45073 ай бұрын
Wrong choice of aircraft. Required a cargo rated 'air tractor'.. with a certified Load Master.;]
@goneflying1403 ай бұрын
Even the daughter?
@PsRohrbaugh3 ай бұрын
I can't understand why someone would get multi engine certified and not do IFR. Between IMC and access to controlled airspace, I can't see flying a twin without one.
@AndrewinAus3 ай бұрын
Indeed, perhaps things are significantly different in the US than Australia where I am but it boggles the mind that you could be multi engine rated but not have progressed through instrument certification somewhere in your training.
@albertsampson65683 ай бұрын
Because it is horrifically expensive for training and for equipment. That's why
@buffetline26053 ай бұрын
@@albertsampson6568can you put a price on you and your passengers life?
@giggiddy3 ай бұрын
@@albertsampson6568Not an excuse, pal. And wasn't the case with this clown. There is absolutely no excuse for having a multi engine rating allowing you to fly bigger planes with more people yet not have an instrument rating. Its that simple.
@sunninho3 ай бұрын
And, he was buying two aircraft so money wasn't an issue.
@scottlewisparsons95513 ай бұрын
Thank you Hoover for another “horrible” video. I am amazed that even though there were all those pilots on board they still couldn’t get their act together. Wishing you all the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺 PS I am not a pilot, however, your explanation about what is going on is very clear to me and I appreciate your efforts producing each video very much.
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
My last logged hours as PIC was in Australia. I got to fly over water (which I hadn't done before) and flew under Sydney's Class B. That was some of the best flying I ever did.
@sg94143 ай бұрын
Hoover, the quality of these videos is absolutely the best. Great research. Well thought out. Great job.😇
@joemadden41603 ай бұрын
Part of the problem was Milgrams proofs. People will defer to a figure in authority to the point of allowing that authority to kill them. There's also the West Slavic mentality. As someone who has Polish ancestry, I know this well.😔
@hangarnut56603 ай бұрын
I was looking for this comment. Wesley looked to be the more senior guy. That doesn't equate to experience and decision making in aviation.
@synupps8773 ай бұрын
What mentality might that be?
@hangarnut56603 ай бұрын
@@synupps877 that shut up I know more than you mentality. I worked with guys like this. It's tough to be around that while in aviation.
@akiko0093 ай бұрын
Ego, lies and flying are not a good mixture. I'm thinking he lied to his friends that he's IFR rated and was willing to kill everyone rather than fess up to it.
@vladimirtalijan3 ай бұрын
What's shocking to me is that you can be a VFR pilot for decades and never get to understand how basic instruments work. And this is not the first time I'm hearing that.
@BillHopper-i4q16 күн бұрын
Maybe I am just ignorant, but I wonder that all the time too in these videos.
@vladimirtalijan3 күн бұрын
@@BillHopper-i4q Yeah, even Kobe died because of that.
@wayne27563 ай бұрын
So unnecessary & unfortunate others had to perish because of his arrogance & stupidity.
@dashriprock43083 ай бұрын
You have to recognize your limitations. None of the pax intervened and told him to do a 180 to remain VFR and just land, check wx, get fuel and go home if it is solid IFR down the path. 6 people was simply too many for the Seneca 2. I would not have made the trip with no instrument rating anyway.
@jimsannerud62543 ай бұрын
The FAA examiner on my private pilot check ride told me the best life insurance a pilot can buy is an instrument rating. Good advice even if you're mostly flying VFR, but you do need to keep up your IFR proficiency. It could save your life someday. This would have been an easy instrument approach. RIP to all who were lost.
@motrock93b2 ай бұрын
Exactly. The day I got my private license I began my Instrument Rating training. Personally, it just seemed dangerous not to be able to fly competently under reduced weather conditions. Reduced weather conditions are common.
@dpfreedman3 ай бұрын
Though the outcome is almost always tragic in Hoover's videos, I usually come away with the feeling that the unsung heroes, despite the outcome, are the controllers who do their damndest with calmness and professionalism to assist pilots in dire straits.
@ADAPTATION73 ай бұрын
Experience doesn't mean shit when you have bad judgment to begin with.
@bobo-l5v3 ай бұрын
what I learnt in university of life that when you need help no shame to ask for it, every body makes mistake, own up to it pay the price and learn not to repeat it, especially in aviation and military where no ample second chances
@riverwildcat13 ай бұрын
If Wesley had kept his eyes on the altimeter and compass, and followed the controller's instructions, he would probably have made it. Whoever was in the right seat didn't help, which is very odd. We're our own worst enemies when we're too proud to admit mistakes and lies.
@same59522 ай бұрын
He probably couldn't follow instructions.
@motrock93b2 ай бұрын
His vision needed to be primarily focused on his attitude indicator. Wings level, on the horizon. Turn with a predetermined angle of bank, monitored by looking at the attitude indicator. When done turning, wings back to level by looking at the attitude indicator. If the plane was trimmed correctly, he could have just let go of the yoke to allow it to go back to normal cruise flight. And he could have verified this by looking at the attitude indicator. It's actually not that difficult.
@nancyjones67803 ай бұрын
Hoover you did a spectacular job on the names! Thanks for uploading my favorite classroom just as I was about to get bored! ❤✈
@Dan-xo9ly3 ай бұрын
That surveillance approach is a great idea. Definitely a capability that should be kept up. As for that pilot. He had no business flying that day.
@markdaniel87402 ай бұрын
I made several of my ifr training flights on the way to go skiing. IFR was canceled 15 minutes before landing due to no nav aids but the instructor gave me directions "30° left, heading 090...". Anybody with another pilot on board can practice it.
@57Jimmy3 ай бұрын
Wow! Almost seems like there was the attitude of ‘we are many pilots! What could go wrong?’ Four pilots, ZERO CRM.😢
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
Sometimes pilots make the worse back seat drivers.
@gregj83125 күн бұрын
Airplanes are terribly unforgiving to cocky people and that's the only thing which could explain that man's ignorance.
@sk-un5jq2 ай бұрын
"Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."
@ScorpioMsbhvn993 ай бұрын
I recently found your channel and love the videos. My dad is a retired commercial pilot, and my brother currently flies the A320 for a major airline. Even though I have no flying experience myself, I've always been interested in flying. I've been fortunate enough to fly to many places in the US and outside the US. I've flown on many different types of aircraft, including the C150, when my brother was in school. Your debriefs are so great. Sometimes I may not understand some technical details, but then you explain what it is and why it's important. Your format of starting with a brief background on the pilot & passengers and then going through the flight in a concise manner is just perfect. You're always respectful of those who were killed and their families. I think your videos are so important because so many pilots can learn something from others mistakes. Keep doing what you're doing! And thank you for all your hard work.
@rebecca53033 ай бұрын
I've only ever been a passenger on a plane about ten times in my forty year life. I don't know anything about planes, but I love watching your videos because they're so interesting and easy for me to understand. Thank you for such cool content and for educating me. ❤
@JVTrickypants2 ай бұрын
I’ve only just recently found your channel and I am obsessed with the educational details you give, as well as the absolute respect you show not only to passengers on the plane, but even to the pilots who at times might at times understandably make errors in these obviously terrifying situations. I’m glad you are helping to teach pilots of all ages ideas/procedures to follow if they ever get in bad situations. Some of it will sink in and I can almost guarantee pilots have watched your videos and after having issues said to themselves, “Phew, I remember Hoover mentioning that one time and so remembered what to do.” Keep up the great work!
@Flies2FLL3 ай бұрын
None of these people took aviation seriously. Aviation is not dangerous; Much like the sea, it is simply very unforgiving of any carelessness or neglect.
@fugginrambo3 ай бұрын
The sea isn't dangerous? I'm pretty sure it can be.
@speedygonzales90903 ай бұрын
I disagree... Aviation is a gamble, there are so many things that can go wrong, that you can never know if you are going to reach your destination. Not always is human error what brings you down... weather, mechanical failures, etc... I love aviation, but the more I learn about it and the older (wiser I get), the less I want to fly.
@Flies2FLL3 ай бұрын
@@speedygonzales9090 Well then, enjoy trains and busses when you travel. Or you can really maintain your own personal safety by driving your car...
@billythekid32343 ай бұрын
FLIES,,,,,,,, YOUR WRONG,,,,,
@Flies2FLL3 ай бұрын
@@billythekid3234 BILLY,,,,,,YOU'RE IN RUSSIA,,,,,
@heartpursuerАй бұрын
Don't really know why this channel first came to my attention, but even as a non-pilot, I find Hoover's videos fascinating. I won't pretend I understand all the technical details, which makes it all the more impressive that I always watch his debriefs all the way through.
@libertine56063 ай бұрын
Fly it by the numbers. Take pride in being humble. Always over train and as any boy scout will tell you be prepared! Every flight is a test between how prepared you are and how prepared you think you are. A whole psychology paper could be written on how 4 pilots could allow this to happen.
@DrDeuteron3 ай бұрын
There are no Boy Scouts anymore.
@tomk86633 ай бұрын
@DrDeuteron, ain't that the truth!
@EJWash573 ай бұрын
From the screen shot of Dobrzanski's credentials, his last FAA medical exam shows a Second Class medical certificate date of November 30, 2006. So, my question became when did this crash take place? A simple search reports that this crash happened on January 30, 2009. Dobrzanski's Second Class medical certificate, if not renewed to Second Class status would have defaulted to a Third Class medical certificate after 12 calendar months. This Third Class medical certificate would have expired after 24 calendar months. So, Dobrzanski was out of medical certification after November 30, 2008. He was flying that aircraft on certificates that would have required at least a Third Class medical certificate. Paperwork technicality, or did Dobrzanski know that he had medical issues? Even though this crash happened 15 years ago, every single aspect of contributing factors could repeat themselves today. Good review, Hoover.
@igclapp3 ай бұрын
I'm not sure, but weren't third class medicals good for three years back then for all age groups?
@EJWash573 ай бұрын
@@igclapp I'm not clear of the history of the duration of the Third Class medical certificate. Before I could solo back in the spring of 1975, I had to get a Third Class medical certificate, which doubled as a Student Pilot Certificate. At that time, it was valid for 24 calendar months. Today, a Third Class medical for someone that has NOT reached their 40th birthday is 24 calendar months. If there were changes in the duration of medical certificates (other than by airman age) between 1975 and today, I'm not aware of them.
@JoshuaTootell2 ай бұрын
60 months for below 40, 24 months for over 40 (for a third class)
@igclapp2 ай бұрын
@@EJWash57 I checked my old third class medicals and I got one in 1988 and the next in 1990. So they were good for two years. That sparks my memory that at the time, second class were good for one year and first class for six months.
@EJWash572 ай бұрын
@@JoshuaTootell Dobrzanski was 60-years-old...
@jimmydulin9283 ай бұрын
Good debrief Hoover. The controller made a good choice to switch to no gyro ASR or PAR if near a military base. The pilot knew he could not fly IMC before he left. Just with that knowledge and not being distracted by other options, the only survivable late decision he could have made was to stay in visual contact with the ground (stay low) until a road or field came into view and land. I hate snow, VMC or IMC. It is very distracting so that IMC is better if we are rated and confident. IFR/IMC is so much safer for those current and confident. For all others it is almost always fatal. For all others, including this pilot, staying in contact with the ground (low) is the only way to survive marginal conditions. One thing I dislike about the integrated instrument contact flying orientation that came into vogue about the time I started instructing is that it glossed over the absolute need to separate VMC/contact and IMC/instrument flying. They are two different worlds and never the twain shall meet. Even if the computer is flying IMC, the pilot has to have full confidence in the computer. And if VMC, the pilot needs to almost totally rely on contact with the surface for situational awareness. Aviate. Yes, the goodies help with navigate and communicate. No, they do not keep us from hitting stuff or falling out of the sky unless rated and competent. But flying by reference to instruments when in a maneuvering or crowded VFR situation is almost as dangerous as flying IMC when not current and confident. The safest way to fly marginal weather is IFR/IMC. The safest way to fly VFR/VMC in marginal weather is as low as necessary to see well and avoid stuff.
@THEFORGOTTENGRACE3 ай бұрын
Always speak the truth and show humility, especially when you are responsible for others.
@darrellhicks360Ай бұрын
This group is batting 1000. They made every mistake possible as if they didn’t wanna live as far as I can tell rest in peace.
@AFO33103 ай бұрын
"Did not have his instrument rating" GET YOUR G*D DAMN INSTRUMENT RATINGS!!!! At least it will give you a fighting chance.
@JeffRobinson-m3e3 ай бұрын
He did a great job maintaining ground contact, especially right there at the end.
@privateer05612 ай бұрын
This "pilot" had no business riding a bicycle much less flying a plane. It's disgusting.
@3beltwesty2 ай бұрын
Local fishing trawler had the Cook at the helm at 3am. Cut sideways to a major channel and got hit by a huge container ship. Sunk. All lives lost.
@vfx7t3 ай бұрын
RIP ! What seriously intrigues me in America is seeing pilots who don't take the time to learn to fly in IFR or IMC conditions using simulators, even those from 1989. You might wonder why I mention the one from 1989; it's because I learned IFR flights with that monochrome simulator on an Amstrad. With FS 95 and 98, I became an expert, and I'm not even talking about those from 2000 and 2002, especially the one from 2002, which I remember fondly. I even obtained a certificate for IFR flight from FS 2002. To pilot this simulator, I used my fingers, the index, and middle fingers, because at the time, in Algiers, we couldn't afford joysticks. Thanks from Algeria, Algiers ! Translate French to English !
@navalcomand19813 ай бұрын
الف شكر حبيبي ، انا ايضا طيار مدني يوناني. كنا بنتمرن في التسعينيات بأجهزة الكمبيوتر القديمة
@vfx7t3 ай бұрын
@@navalcomand1981 يصديقي كيف لي في دلك الوقت لم استطيع توفير لي جويستيكك حتى اتمكن في دلك الوقت أن اصبح طيار، طيارًا لان في الأحلام :D
@GoToPhx3 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
@DC-nc6vt2 ай бұрын
Such a tragedy. How so many pilots on board let this flight progress let alone get off the ground? Procedures are in place to avoid situations like this.
@SiteSpecialistsLLC3 ай бұрын
I haven't flown in a long time but when I was flying, I never would have thought as you mentioned, to have someone else review a flight plan for me. I've never even heard of that but that makes great sense and it would have made me feel more confident in some of my longer trips. I wish I would have thought of that or heard of it in the past. Great tip, especially for newer or low time pilots.
@culcune3 ай бұрын
I am not a pilot at all, and do not intend to be, but in this particular case it seemed like the perfect opportunity to have one or all of the passengers who are pilots look over the flight plan. Could have changed things which could have ultimately saved all 6 lives.
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
I had gotten my private single engine land certificate and taking a cross country flight to an airport that I hadn't been to. I asked a CFI to review my flight plan. I got ridiculed being told that didn't I know that I no longer needed my flight plans reviewed. I told him yes but that I hadn't been to that airport before. He then got off his high-horse and gave me a good piece of advice for that flight....when I get the river (being the Colorado River), turn right. That's all he needed to do and not ridicule me.
@BingBangBye2 ай бұрын
I'm always impressed by the patience, knowledge, skill, and attitude of the controllers on these recordings. Imagine the number of lives they've saved that we never hear of because the controllers helped the pilot avert disaster.
@F84Thunderjet3 ай бұрын
Flew out of HTS (and several nearby VFR airports) from 1965 until 1996 when I had to quit due to a medical issue. I instructed there for about 8 of those years. The surrounding terrain is rugged and wooded. Sadly, the entire Marshall University football team died in 1970 when their DC-9 crashed on a localizer (non-precision) approach to runway 12 into a hillside just short of the runway. I went to the hilltop right after the crash where the plane hit the tops of some very tall black locust trees. The runway has since been extended and has a full ILS approach.
@jefferyyounce53722 ай бұрын
Even a laymen would have said, "No WAY" am I getting on this plane.
@daveshepherd75823 ай бұрын
I understand getting an instrument rating can be difficult, but apparently saying no to Imc conditions is harder. Sad story…
@manz19602 ай бұрын
Hoover, I’m not a pilot but I put 50,000 miles on a motorcycle since I bought my first one and learned to ride (safely from a buddy who track raced 750s) when I was 55 years old. To not die or get seriously injured on a MC takes let’s say a less “technical” awareness than a plane, but nevertheless a ride-like-a-ninja awareness of speed, spatial awareness &coordination, movement of objects (like 90 y.o. drivers who cannot see, hear or react in a Caddie) and rules of how you manage the road. RESPECT for what you are doing is number one on the road flight checklist. Everytime, since day one, I threw my leg over a motorcycle I am AGATT. All gear all the time. I actually dress like a fighter pilot, full leather jacket with armor, Kevlar jeans, knuckle guard leather gloves, boots, full face helmet, ear plugs. I’m putting my body on top a 1583 cc Harley Davidson low rider engine with two wheels. If any rider cannot understand they are essentially strapping themselves to the landing gear of a jet, they have no business riding - period. I think your show is awesome and so appreciate your approach to pilot safety man. Your background and knowledge is super impressive. Glad I found you. In another post, I will share how I used your approach to pool safety with my little nephews and niece yesterday. The briefing as a riot. - Steve
@kittykat35403 ай бұрын
We hear time and time again about fuel being a factor...I have zero experience in aviation but speaking from a driving standpoint, Im 63 and have never run out of gas...With everything that could possibly go wrong why would a pilot ever let fuel become one of them...I dont want to risk gettng stuck on the ground much less thousands of feet above it...
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
For a daylight flight, he was supposed to have 30 minutes of extra fuel on board.
@bradschroeder8093 ай бұрын
There’s a bunch of issues when it comes to aviation fuel planning that make it much more complicated than driving a car. Firstly, the fuel gages tend to not be very accurate and only required by the regs to be accurate when full and empty. Even when a planes fuel tanks are to be fully filled sometimes they are short a few gallons. Some fuel can vent off if a plane is filled up and sits in the sun a few days before flying again. Fuel burn rates in the handbooks are hard for pilots to meet as they require the pilot to lean the mixture properly which can be easier said than done. And setting power pretty accurately to what you were planning. Sometimes other factors bite pilots fuel wise also, like an unknown leak, or a fuel cap comes loose and fuel is siphoned out of the tank by vacuum, unbeknownst to the pilot. Gas stations are everywhere but airports aren’t, and sometimes a field planned for a fuel stop turns out the fuel ran out, the pump broke, or even the runway closed due to a disabled plane or missing out info on a planned closure in the NOTAMs during flight planning. Several things I do are be very very conservative in fuel planning, if I ever land and find when I fuel up that I had under an hour of fuel left, I feel like I dodged a bullet and really screwed up. I’ve only been down to an hour or less 2 times I can recall in 35 years flying. Also, in a new to me plane, I pay close attention to actual fuel burn and develop a “feel” for how much it actually uses, which can take a lot of flights to figure out. I use that data rather than “book” numbers from the POH. The POH just gives me a starting point rather than consider it dead nuts accurate what I’ll burn per hour. None of this is meant to excuse the pilot in this video from his terrible planning though. A good rule of thumb is that you only have too much fuel onboard when you’re overweight or on fire!
@williamclough68503 ай бұрын
Hi Hoover, I can't decide whether I like your videos or not. I have an ATPL which is now well expired and watch your videos through a love for flying and am shocked and dismayed at the disasters which unfold which you so perfectly decipher. I struggle to understand how these pilots set off without taking into account the weather or their ability to make the flight. The result is inevitably catastrophic and so sad to learn of the various loss of life. I hope your videos make pilots stop and think about what they are doing, I applaud you for your determined efforts to enlighten and encourage others to think clearly about what they are about to under take. Good work as ever.
@T_Mo2712 ай бұрын
Not everyone who knows how to fly an aircraft is qualified to.
@jturie3 ай бұрын
4 pilots with 45 years experience, but nobody had IFR? Mind-boggling. First MayDay with low fuel? Mind-boggling.
@Phiyedough3 ай бұрын
If he had plenty of fuel there would not be so much pressure to get on the ground but that must have hugely contributed to the stress levels. It sounds like he was outwardly calm but inwardly panicking.
@pep5903 ай бұрын
Mind boggling that you missed and your likes that it was stated that it was Not known if they were IFR or not? The pilot could have ignored their pleading.
@kygreenskeeper83263 ай бұрын
I can't believe anyone would even consider lying about flying credentials or especially lying to traffic control.... Your just asking for it.
@abn82dmp2 ай бұрын
And sometimes the universe answers...but not the answer you might be looking for...
@PatrickDuffy-u3s3 ай бұрын
I learned to fly IFR in a few days on a simulator. How is it possible that a pilot with this much experience had NO CLUE how to fly with an autopilot and basic instruments? Even flying VFR, It's not difficult to watch the altimeter to verify your altitude and follow ATC instructions. The incompetence of this flight is astonishing to say the least.
@cseivard3 ай бұрын
“Should be okay.” That’s the first red flag!
@michaelengland7228Ай бұрын
I always do stuff last minute, i almost always get away with doing little preparation and most people like and respect me but I hate routine and would be an unsafe pilot. Thankfully I can watch and enjoy this while drinking red wine in England. Lots of love to all.
@giggiddy3 ай бұрын
These guys have more money than they know what to do with. Four old men and a younger woman. The men are all too busy trying to impress each other and don't notice the pilot struggling and about to kill them all.
@dicksonfranssen3 ай бұрын
My 2 brothers in law are from that world. New Audis every year, suits & ties, the newest i-phone etc. They can't go camping because neither one could start a fire or would want to get their hands dirty. Just pathetic.
@ninjalectualx3 ай бұрын
The woman was one of the men's daughters
@giggiddy3 ай бұрын
@@ninjalectualx It didn't come out the way I meant it. I meant shes simply there trying to write a story and the old men are trying to outdo each other. Sorry bout that.
@EM-mk2oc3 ай бұрын
If the woman was sitting next to the pilot that didn't help matters he will never ask for help.
@DerSystematiker2 ай бұрын
How would you know?
@ocalafl9543 ай бұрын
It's always tragic when a plane crashes, but it's just sickening when it's due to pilot error
@propertymend-dm3qz3 ай бұрын
These lesson can be applued to every day life. I consider every episode he puts out as essential learning. You do a great job of bringing objective truth, without losing your humanity. This balance is so well done that I study every nuance of your presentations. Thank you isn't enough.
@neiladlington9503 ай бұрын
I work in construction and everyone knows that those who get into accidents most are those with little experience and those who take their experience for granted and are complacent about their work conditions as a result.
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
Interesting. My experience has been it was those with mid-level experience who took short cuts because they thought they knew better. The newbies (also called "Gumbies") usually were slow because they were extra cautious.
@neiladlington9503 ай бұрын
@@gingerhiser7312 Well, it's an opinion backed by similar other opinions collected through the years and NOT backed by facts. So, you could be right
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
@@neiladlington950 In my 35 years as a safety engineer/manager, I've heard that old canard of new employees faking an injury to "book out" on workers' compensation and just never experienced it. So yeah, I have 35 years of analyzing safety data to back up my opinion.
@LJDRVR3 ай бұрын
Same old taxonomy. And the PIC had absolutely no clue how unqualified he was for this flight.
@user-gl9iz1bp1r3 ай бұрын
Awareness buy time, time buys options - until it doesn't. No substitute for objective truthful awareness.
@meteor1237Ай бұрын
I’m 71, at 22 I worked on my Private. Got 40 hours with instructor, 3 hours solo. Passed the FAA written. I stopped. Realized that flying unless you did it a lot, was very dangerous. I won’t fly in a small plane. Learned a lot. Unless military trained very dangerous. Enjoy these briefs.
@gingerhiser73123 ай бұрын
I loved flight planning. That was part of the fun of flying.
@BamaCyn3 ай бұрын
So glad to see you back for my Sunday morning pilot debrief.❤ Hope you had a great time on vaca with family