186. CONCEIVED IN LIBERTY with Michael Saylor & Patrick Newman on Murray Rothbard

[@Mztbtc]

What a banger!! Saylor’s mind is a treasure trove of insights. This is like a university course for free

[@JakeWitmer]

Yes, he's excellent. Even so...he's simply discussing Rothbard's ideas here.

[@rustyshackleford6637]

I'm smoking on 39

[@rustyshackleford6637]

BABY what's going DOWN I'm on that Interstate mothafuckin 55 gotta big cherry lit what up.

[@bangkokbert3440]

We are so lucky to be alive with Michael Saylor who is quite possibly one of the smartest people ever to walk this planet. Incredible insight as always.

[@JakeWitmer]

Yes. However, he's exclusively discussing Rothbard here. If you like this...read Rothbard and Mises.

[@Securethemsats]

Never gets old listening to saylor.

[@JakeWitmer]

....Or Rothbard? ...or Mises? This was 100% Rothbard.

[@UnderstandingBitcoin]

This would have a million views already if more people had actual intellectual curiosity

[@waynerichardson1051]

Epic Saylor!! Man I tell ya what.....I honestly love learning from this fella! He's amazing!! I know more about American history than my own country! The knowledge he has and the way he explains it.....just awesome!! Some would say he talks too much!? But there's talking shit and nonsense, and then there's talking from research and expertise! Saylor has bucket loads of the latter!! Thanks again for another excellent podcast mate, really appreciate everything you're doing for us! Cheers

[@TheBitcoinRevolution]

Watch the Saylor Series with Breedlove. All 17 pods plus the spaces discussion at the end.

[@waynerichardson1051]

@@TheBitcoinRevolution watched it twice..... awesome!! Bitcoin is hope!

[@rebranch74]

​@@waynerichardson1051Did you notice even, Fink, echoing such recently.

[@bigboiwaffle5076]

Absolutely amazing conversation between three of the most knowledgeable guys on economic history - thank you!

[@WithstandTheStorm]

This is a great companion video to watch along while reading both Conceived in Liberty and An Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought. Or to go back to after reading those books for a summa.

[@michaellehmann2803]

Can’t wait until the next episode!

[@knownow6361]

Thank you for this discussion.

[@au10666]

Michael saylor and Saif? you know this is gonna be a good one

[@davidhallen]

The quest for 'Lifestyle Liberty' was "Conceived In Liberty" many moons ago... fascinating podcast. Thank you guys.

[@abdelkabirkahlaouy3034]

Pretty insightful conversation providing a new perspective on how human history is endless source of wealth if we know how to read it with the intention to learn, to grow and build together as one world community that cares. Thank you.

[@Jontellis]

Great podcast can’t wait for the next one! 🧠

[@jshagenow]

If you really think about it…not a single one of us can know the future for sure but the one thing I know for sure is that the past sounds pretty shitty and I am willing to step into the Bitcoin future for sure - no matter how long it takes to get here….I just hope I can convince my kids and my grandkids and we can keep this future growing and thriving!

[@Vivrelaliberte]

Thank you people for all what you doing for us!! I m so in love with Btc and all u nice people ❤❤❤❤❤

[@lornemacdougall884]

I am going to start listening to it right after this Pod.

[@Simon-sr3cn]

The dream team assemble again

[@envelop]

Huge thanks!

[@thedodo1]

It’s amazing the way Saylor can communicate ideas and stories, loved the segment when he spoked about the different empires colonizing the continent of America, specifically about the rulers being so far away to enforce their rules, myself being from south America, there’s this curious event that happened with the portuguese empire prior to Napoleon reaching their territory they decided to move all of their empire’s administrative structure as well as the emperor and all of its noblemen to brazil, crazy story

[@GreenisYellow]

I like when they say the word BITCOIN ❤

[@NavaidSyed]

I never knew that Michael Saylor is such a huge intellectual.

[@Ones_Complement]

Rothbard-pilling Michael Saylor was not on my bingo card but my god am I here for it.

[@TherealJesseLivermore]

it’s like a dream come true

[@formetoknow540]

Their is a level of intelligence these men have its incredible

[@Lavavereisung]

Also always important who you compare them to… „THEIR“ 😊

[@formetoknow540]

@@Lavavereisung ahaha

[@we3k1ngs12]

Outstanding commentary on history allows for totally new perspectives. New idea: Bitcoin has discovered one of the greatest minds of modern history Giga Chad! If your not paying attention you should be !

[@Conquer332]

Patrick newman a genius

[@afrobian1]

14:37 Guys the audio book is on KZbin. I’m going to give it a listen

[@formetoknow540]

Thanks 😊

[@BigJonkulous]

Noice

[@manstateandmemetics284]

Need an episode with Michael Saylor on the Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought.

[@RyanVoelkel]

Such a good listen! Couldn’t help but laugh as he described how the native Americans got screws over and over and over again. They certainly got the short end of the stick. Goes to show that private property rights, technology, and innovation triumph again and again

[@UnderstandingBitcoin]

Everyone throughout history with weaker technology & less physical power ends up getting screwed over.

[@romanuhlevatyi]

Thank you.

[@westra4]

Very good

[@JakeWitmer]

This is an amazing time-saver for people who want to focus on *solutions.* Rothbard is almost perfect in his historical analysis...but grotesquely flawed when proposing solutions (though, not as flawed as SEK3).

[@cliffjanke6115]

I've started on the 60 hour version of Conceived in Liberty on audiobook. Is there any way you could share the rest of that list you passed to Michael Saylor for those who are driven to read and learn more?? Cliff Janke, El Paso Texas.

[@axb8000]

Saylor for pres

[@NavaidSyed]

Yes, the replacement of DOI with the Articles of Federation and Constitution is the most disastrous part of American history.

[@WhereAnt]

I need to get into this tome

[@JakeWitmer]

Waste of time, if you agreed with 60% of what you heard here. Read Clay Conrad and Cialdini "Influence" instead...grow uncomfortably.

[@knnmran]

i am going to be honest here i liked the video before i listened to the whole thing.

[@Vivrelaliberte]

I do that all the time ❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊

[@TylerLevesque-v6y]

Yes, we have already missed the deadline for those coins, but fortunately, we still have some possibilities, such Web3 Infinity.

[@GulperiSercin]

I have big expectations for the future of Web3 Infinity. It could really take off!

[@nuahcerpel_eht]

Saylor would've made a great Hollywood screenwriter.

[@rctowns]

Feels like The Enlightenment 9.0.

[@orangesox915]

Mr. Saylor; I don't suppose you've ever read G.K. Chesterton's The Everlasting Man, have you? Great book.

[@jeanpierreagostiniderisi-sy3tb]

The Michael Saylor I was died forever. The Patrick Newman I was died forever.

[@DEVONMarek-e4b]

It varies from other tokens due to Web3 Infinity's self-governing nature. Inventive genius at its best!

[@AMADOOreilly]

I have great hopes for Web3 Infinity. The market appears to be reacting favorably.

[@PrimordialEconomics]

Does priciples of economics cover primordial economic dynamics?

[@formetoknow540]

MashAllah saifedean ammous actually stayed over at michael saylor house 😅 what a G

[@afrobian1]

Why not. They’re friends and Saif probably has more Bitcoin lol

[@formetoknow540]

@afrobian1 yeah why not having billionaires as friends and been the economic ambassador of el salvador is just a day in the life of saifedean

[@formetoknow540]

​@afrobian1 naah I don't think so last time I heard Michael saylor says he has 17.5k bitcoin in his personal holdings.

[@up255]

@@afrobian1no he does not .

[@JP_21M]

Most people miss this, so don't take this as a criticism, but the "separation of church and state" is a Christian principal based on Sphere of Sovernty Doctrine and that is why the Cristian founders of America adopted it. Likewise natural rights, the modern justice system, "liberalism" and scientific rationalism are outgrowths of Christian Presuppositions. In other words all the societal and organizing best practices listed by these two are religious in origin and nature (still today). It is true there was much evil, corruption and failure that took place to get us there but several of their dichotomies are false and irrational or best case over-simplified. BTC FTW.

[@KezbanKemal]

Web3 Infinity Token is the first token that rules itself and not owners or other people, making it the smartest token in the world.

[@NavaidSyed]

There are huge ancient pyramids in America.

[@roadrunner9622]

False. That is south of the USA's land area, which is what this book is about.

[@NavaidSyed]

@@roadrunner9622Have you ever heard about continents that are called North and South America?

[@finglisCave]

5 Myths We are controlled by 5 MYTHS; in order they are: 1 Religion, 2 Law, 3. Money, 4 The Nation State and 5 Ownership. All myths! All human behaviour in modern times is controlled by a "hierarchy" of 5 MYTHS! Myth 1. RELIGION ( belief in someone's version of right and wrong, good and bad - with a "Fear Narrative; " do the right thing and you will be rewarded in some mythical place (and conversely, you will be punished if you stop believing) - Then, as people questioned this "Blind Faith" system, it was immediately backed up with the second myth in the hierarchy; Myth 2. LAW - As faith failed to control people, force was used to get people to comply. Myth 3. MONEY -paying the self-appointed leaders and "landowners" for food to eat and to pay troops "loyal" to those enforcing the law (false trust) and those spreading religious nonsense and fear. Myth 4. "THE NATION STATE," wrap people in a flag and tell them the "others" (wrapped in other flags, with different religion, laws and leaders who (we are usually told) "want your stuff" and to change the way you live ( “loss of liberty” threat) what’s worse, they are "coming to get you"; so you need to fight for your "rights" (which we also just “invented”). This logical sequence of events required the 5th and final Myth in the hierarchy; - 5. "OWNERSHIP"; How can a human own a piece of a 4.5-billion-year-old planet that no one has any "right" to above any other? If I take something from you by force, is it mine? Historical conquests and even as far back to when we were forager hunters 200 000 years ago (which we were for 93% of our existence remember!) does not mean we "own" the land and can pass it on for generations because someone won a battle for some king or leader? How stupid! Says who? MYTHS! all of it. (Quite brilliant for controlling behaviour, BUT it’s only as real as we choose to make it, we invented this "Society", we can end it by living differently, fairly and without fear being a key driver of our identity. #Bitcoin

[@ryancarpenter6362]

It helps if you take the land from a weak, unarmed people, as the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. Palestinians, by the way, had documentation of ownership of their land.

[@roadrunner9622]

Did you listen to the entire video? They cover that point extensively.

[@ronatola]

That's a real Van Gogh behind him. He just used an old TV as the frame.

[@NavaidSyed]

Yes, we won with guerilla warfare. That is why British historians call us pirates (The older term for terrorist).

[@UnderstandingBitcoin]

The Americans won the revolutionary war because they had lots of advantages; one of the biggest being the giant ocean between the US and the Great Britain

[@NavaidSyed]

@@UnderstandingBitcoin Yes, that was definitely a very important factor.

[@shakenbake6303]

😎🤙

[@tylerboyd570]

If the native Americans didn't have metal working then how did some random Indians going through the colonists' trash, know how to melt the governor's silver ash tray to a tobacco pipe while keeping the stamp of the king intact?

[@prasun6084]

Native Americans did have metal workings but only soft metals such as copper in northern America and copper, gold, silver in central and south. No hard metals or alloy like iron, let alone steel.

[@Chizstarz86]

The more I listen to Michael Saylor the less interesting he is

[@btdoe3259]

I think it's only the last 5000 years that we had endless wars. As the rise and fall of our consciousness goes in cycles.

[@christianbeaudry-spicez]

Because 5000 years before that humans didn't know how to organise.

[@JakeWitmer]

​@@christianbeaudry-spicezNay...it was the same...just not recorded on paper or clay tablets that lasted.

[@jshagenow]

It’s as if there are currently two worlds or two histories of the world being written in all our minds. There is the world from which we all came (which based on history has been pretty shit I reckon) and which we expect the future to be-because we are basing our future expectations on what the past has taught us. Then there is the future on the Bitcoin standard-which we all have trouble accepting because it is the future of hope and prosperity that we all have been seeking-or at least it’s is the future that has the most hope of prosperity and peace by default as we don’t know how that future plays out but based on how Bitcoin is growing there is little hope for those currently in power to stop it and when they do the calculations on trying to stop it - they realize they are too late and that it’s better to just accept it for why it is and try to get as much of it as one can so as not to be completely left behind.

[@mmorphy4258]

Fellow bitcoiner here. I believe if Jesus returned and His kingdom needed a monetary system He would choose Bitcoin. The problem with history is man constantly makes poor choices. No matter how good God is, man messes up. Like Bitcoin, no matter how good Bitcoin is, man can use it for wrong. Bitcoin is great, but the end game doesn’t solve everything. Because at the end of the day man’s nature is corrupted, not only our money. Jesus will return, that whole story is unfolding and the prophecies shout it. Many people don’t believe Bitcoin and don’t listen. Many people reject Jesus too. Truth is truth and you should recognize it. To those with eyes to see and ears to hear

[@orangejulius8366]

Is that an original Van Gogh?

[@marcbriggs4449]

It's a digital Van Gogh

[@orangejulius8366]

@@marcbriggs4449 yeah I see that now. Too vibrant and the purples are too modern. And it would never be in that " frame" Lol

[@X11-g9b]

That is a screen saver!

[@UnderstandingBitcoin]

It’s a TV lol

[@btclbrty3051]

Wind him up. Let him go. Pay attention and take notes…

[@int_pro]

To paraphrase: the land was awesome, religions and corruption kept messing with things, meanwhile, thankfully everyone just wanted to Netflix and Chill.

[@NavaidSyed]

The archeology shows that they had great technologies and civilization at some point. But we do not know what happened to it. it probably got killed and destroyed by wars and socialistic economies.

[@roadrunner9622]

False. That was south of the (future) USA. There is no indigenous development of note here, in the archeological record.

[@azdjedi]

Sounds like w crazy time

[@UnderstandingBitcoin]

What?

[@Forst2811]

Cacciatori raccoglitori non avevano un aspettativa di vita di 35 anni che invece è la media, l'aspettativa media di vita degli europei del tempo non credo fosse molto migliore

[@chicoHODL]

Blackrock FOMO

[@arman2339]

Saif, is Patrick your white name? (16:15) 😜

[@dominiqueluzTV]

"Conceived in Liberty" by Murray Rothbard, has faced lots of criticism for several reasons: - Biased Approach: Rothbard's heavy reliance on Austrian economics and libertarian ideology can result in a biased interpretation of history, where his personal views sometimes overshadow factual events. - Imbalanced Narrative: Rothbard's strong libertarian stance may lead to an imbalanced narrative, as he is seen as neglecting or downplaying aspects of history that don't align with his ideology, potentially leaving gaps in the understanding of events. - Simplification: Rothbard's writing style simplifies complex historical and economic concepts, making the book accessible but potentially oversimplifying intricate historical events and economic systems. - Narrow Focus: Rothbard's emphasis on economic factors as the primary driver of historical events neglect the role of social, cultural, and political factors in shaping American history. - Controversial Interpretations: Rothbard's libertarian perspective has led to interpretations of key events, such as the American Revolution, that differ significantly from mainstream historical accounts, leading to disputes among historians. In a nutshell: it is a piece of writing similar to those we find in cults. Anyone can confirm this by the behaviour of those who are his fans and never accept any criticism because they worship Rothbard as some people worship religious leaders.

[@thesiyou]

This comment is AI generated by order of a vaginal liberal brain

[@roadrunner9622]

Thank you for this input. I plan to listen to the audio book, and I always appreciate a contary view to keep things balanced.

[@Ones_Complement]

Maybe we're cultists, or just maybe your arguments are shitty and you're actually wrong.

[@PinarNurmuhammet]

Why are you convinced that it is impossible? Are you familiar with the Web3 Infinity? The cost of this will increase dramatically.

[@miguelon1995]

1:44:39 #Bitcoin isnt a more powerful currency than #Gold bc bitcoin imo hasnt even lasted a whole century yet meanwhile gold & #Silver have been around for thousands of years. Bitcoin has the capability of being more powerful than gold but only if its a proven store of value nd its got at least 💯 years under its belt

[@adlioladliol8547]

Um...there was plenty of "reason" prior to the enlightenment. However, the eventual loss of private property through the seeds of Marxism ....now that DID begin with the enlightenment.

[@tristanprathap2852]

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[@pagexx]

Patrick's opening statement is like 5 minutes of noise. Are you nervous man? Jesus, nothing noteworthy was said, I should've skipped it.

[@martinezjames83]

Relax :) he probly has so much in his brain!! Hard to keep responses short

[@BigJonkulous]

Thanks for the fiat comment. Low quality, low value.

[@UnderstandingBitcoin]

LOL thought the same thing

[@rosstituteuk]

38:30 The Founding Fathers did not advocate for seperation of religion & state. Quite the opposite, in fact. They relied on the concept of God, as a means to preserve the individuals sovereignty. So much so, that they wrote God in to the Constitution: "All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights..." These were, on the most part, profoundly religious men.

[@christianbeaudry-spicez]

There is a difference between faith and living under the subjugation of 1 organised religious tyranny. Believing in god and allowing an organised religion to combine with the state is not the same.

[@rosstituteuk]

​@@christianbeaudry-spicez Yes. The founding fathers were also strong advocates of freedom of religion.

[@X11-g9b]

We hold these truths to be "self evident" was changed by Ben Franklin from "sacred" in Jefferson's original text. An obvious attempt to separate a religious tone in the constitution to one of common sense language for anyone to understand without a theological interpretation. SO they definitely wanted to separate religion and State.

[@rosstituteuk]

bit of a stretch, @@X11-g9b. Keeping in mind they had no desire to remove reference to 'the Creator'. If their intention was to remove religion, that would of course be the clear starting point... On the contrary to your point, they choose to maintain the reference to the divine, for they understood the significance and importance of doing so.

[@roadrunner9622]

Acknowledging a commonly accepted creator in a document, is not the same as govt and church intertwined as institutions.

[@treycaldwell4118]

Why do Millennials refuse to pronounce their t

[@bigcraig1976]

I can only see our freedom being eroded to zero you just got a taste of Andrew Tate Jordan Peterson it's obvious to any one with a micron of self thought this doesn't come across as credible

[@nuahcerpel_eht]

man... this guy should've let Saylor talk more... when you speak to Michael Saylor you have to remind yourself you were given two ears and one mouth for a reason...

[@KenyaSaxton]

Yes, we have already missed the deadline for those coins, but fortunately, we still have some possibilities, such Web3 Infinity.

[@LuveniaPfeifer]

It varies from other tokens due to Web3 Infinity's self-governing nature. Inventive genius at its best!

[@KERRYWentworth-c5d]

Yes, we have already missed the deadline for those coins, but fortunately, we still have some possibilities, such Web3 Infinity.

[@BORISCarrillo-l3q]

Yes, we have already missed the deadline for those coins, but fortunately, we still have some possibilities, such Web3 Infinity.

[@LilliOrtiz-k6c]

Yes, we have already missed the deadline for those coins, but fortunately, we still have some possibilities, such Web3 Infinity.

[@KEITHMaestas-h1t]

Yes, we have already missed the deadline for those coins, but fortunately, we still have some possibilities, such Web3 Infinity.