1883...Is It Historically Accurate?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Correction: I called him "John" Dutton and his name is James

[@willarth9186]

I think you missed TWO glaring mistakes pertaining to language. 'OKAY' and the 'F' BOMB were NOT in usage in that time. F U C K was an acronym used by London police while attempting to clean up the prostitutes on the streets and were arrested for the crime of 'For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge' soon shortened on the booking sheet to, well, you know... Insults of the time were much more scatological than sexual...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Nope, I didn't. First, the F Bomb was well used in mining camps as far back as the 1850s, so yes it was used. However, it was an impolite word back then, too. Second "OK" seems to be a popular misspelling of "All Correct" that became mainstream when politicians used in the mid-1830s. So, yes, it was used too.

[@beckajo]

@@ArizonaGhostriders That is a fantastic movie.

[@saltyspirateden]

In 1885, my great grandmother walked to California from Kentucky, she was 8 years old at the time. Everybody walked, the household good rode in the wagon. they couldn't afford a train ticket, it was truly a history lesson talking with her, She passed in 1968.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, I bet they all had bad feet when they got to their destination.

[@auburn696]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Shoot, if it's anything like rucking in the military they probably all had feet you couldn't cut with a hacksaw by the end.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@auburn696 Ha!!!!!

[@jcfreebs72]

@@auburn696 When I was a grunt in the Marine Corps, I had to have the "Doc" Corpsman shave the calluses off of my feet regularly. I cannot imagine their feet after that journey!!!

[@auburn696]

@@jcfreebs72 Been there, pard, dang lumps of callus the size of Mexican strawberries.

[@projectmayhembronco5457]

One of the things that really bothered me about the show was that they portrayed the emigrants as being week, scared, indecisive, and generally incapable. The thing is the week, scared, indecisive, and incapable are not the people who pack up their belongings and travel halfway around the world to start a new life. It's the strong, confident, and adventurous people who do that.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I know why they did that...for impact. However, there were guides those people would have been reading that prepared them for what was ahead. So, they shouldn't have been so incapable.

[@ToddSauve]

@@ArizonaGhostriders No they shouldn't have and these were eastern European peasant stock who lived on farms, so they would certainly have been used to a hard life and very familiar with animals. That part was not realistic to me but I really like the series anyway. My great grandfather came to western Canada in 1875, so I enjoy finding out more of what life was actually like back then. Overall it was so hard I think most of us would expire in short order if we had to start living like that today! 👀😮🤠🤠🤠

[@mav7804]

You forgot to mention that no overprotective father would ever let his daughter be even alone with a Comanche. The fact that he just lets his daughter have sex, 18 year old or not, is the most cringe thing I’ve ever seen in a western

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, he had sex with a cowboy, unbeknownst to him at the time, so he didn't have time to stop it. Which, I believe, is how it happens with young folks today, too!

[@theramblinmahoney2316]

Freaking thank you! Elsa's story after they try making her a girl boss absolutely derailed the show. It was so good beforehand.

[@mildbill2806]

The series should have been set in the 1860s to be compliant with the primitive setting of the story. By 1883, in north Texas, much of the area they are shown traveling was settled, with ferry crossings, trains and established trails. But still, it is mighty entertaining series. The costumes seem accurate and the firearms fairly close to the time period. What is most accurate is the descriptions of their journey. The towns, rivers, and places mentioned allows the viewer to follow their journey on old maps.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you are ejoying it!

[@shotbytim9624]

I wonder if the story is supposed to happen entirely in 1883 or just end in 1883? Like you, I noticed that the setting was more primitive than North Texas in 1883. The trails in 1883 would have been already blazed, there would have been ferries and even a few bridges. last Comanche raids had been sporadic after 1875 and the very last one was in 1878, so the pieces of the skeletons Elsa discovered would have been scattered and the clothing and arrows would have been much more weathered. Most of the clothing looks about right except for the hats. The fedora Dutton wore wouldn't be popular until the 1920s and the creased crowns appeared in the 1890s. The two cowboys have hats correct for the decade.

[@JRobbySh]

Bound to be many anachronisms for dramatic effect. Ft. Worth was still rough, but not that violent. New York City in 2022 is more dangerous.

[@arkwill14]

@Ron Bristow I believe that they establish in the first episode that Elsa was born after the Civil War ended and that they left Ft. Worth on the day of her 18th birthday. If that is accurate, I believe the journey portrayed in _1883_ actually occurs in 1883.

[@ElectronicsForFun]

@@shotbytim9624 james dutton doesn't wear a fedora. he has a pinched gambler. a fedora has a similar crown but with a more aggressive shape and it has a much shorter brim than most gamblers. some of the hats are ahead of their time, but keep in mind it's the creases that make a normal wool hat a cowboy hat, so some liberties have to be made in a series depicting hollywood generated cowboys. at least it's not as bad as django unchained in terms of inaccuracies.

[@danigia6720]

Just finished 1883 last night. I’m still thinking about it this morning. Amazing what those people went through to better their lives. I cried so hard at the end. I didn’t know Tim McGraw was such a good actor too!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He did good, I thought.

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

Was extremely excited to see you cover this. One thing I noticed was when trading the oxen off the the stock yard operator says that all the farmers in the area were using steam power tractors.... lol that kinda took me out of it... and I believe that old Dutton must have witnessed about 50% of all the violence to ever take place in Fort worth in a span of about 12 hours.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah! He had more adventure in the first episode than most westerners had in a lifetime.

[@Real11BangBang]

@@ArizonaGhostriders yeah I noticed this too.

[@Devin_Stromgren]

I can't speak to Texas, but I know that steam tractors were being used by the big farms in my area of Minnesota by the 1890s, which is about when my part of the State was settled.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@Devin_Stromgren Great info!

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

@@Devin_Stromgren that sounds very interesting. I'm in south central ks. northern Oklahoma I don't think we had any steam tractors till the early 1900s I know they were around but people around here just couldn't afford them... I have heard that our local farmers were still mostly farming with mules in the 1930s

[@leesims]

Love your channel. I look forward to seeing your new episodes on Saturday mornings with my breakfast.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you like them!

[@cleondubois1270]

We can learn a lot more from the Ghostriders in 5 to 6 minutes than from some other venues that are not as interesting nor half as much fun.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@cleondubois1270]

@@ArizonaGhostriders PS; Somehow our great QB from TX rolled through near the end. Go "Chiefs".

[@marcosaraiva9205]

Must watch! for sure! But don't take too seriously the liberties they make on TV show or movies ! It is what it is , but this must be great Sam Elliott in it ! Thanks for bringing Drew in the end.

[@WastedTalent-]

I'd love a Ghostriders-InRangeTV collab.

[@terryfolderson-is5qo]

my great, great grandparents traveled from NYC to Portland after coming to america from rural Ireland in 1875 and to this day my family still has a lot of the artifacts!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Cool!

[@chrissewell1608]

I need to check that show out. A good friend on mine, highly recommended it! Thanks Santee.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@yeehawhomie5749]

Hey Santee! Thank you for the video, y'alls channel have really sparked my interest in the west and they have really been helping me cope with the loss of a family member recently, I hope to see more of your videos in the future, have a good one!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you and sorry for your loss!

[@yeehawhomie5749]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Oh it is a part of life, now much we can do but thank you! Watching your videos definitely helps, let me know if you have a merchandise shop for future references maybe haha. I hope you have a blessed week and I wish your entire family happy trails to warm beaches.

[@arkane5260]

The series started off amazingly well, it featured some good strong characters and interesting storyline. It was brutal at times but that gave it an authentic feel. Unfortunately, the show later devolved into a western about a super powered teenage girl who is the best at everything, cow rustling, philosophy, fighting, shooting and even extreme endurance. Not to mention everyone wants to marry her. Friends and foe alike never fail to remind the viewer she is the best at everything, literally. The show had so much potential but doesnt come close to Yellowstone.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It definitely did a good job as a pre-cursor to the Dutton clan

[@rowanaforrest9792]

I like 1883 a lot more than Yellowstone, but not because of Elsa Dutton. I don't dislike her, but as the episodes went on she was the only character who didn't seem real (for the reasons you give). Unlike the other characters, who we were not told what we should think of them, we were repeatedly told how special Elsa was. That did get annoying, but not enough to hurt my love of the show.

[@lambastepirate]

Sounds like AOCs great great great grandma HAHAHAHAHAAH A woke film I guess I will pass on it. Shame on you Sam Shepard. LOL I watched a vid on a cop shoot out. A male cop is pinned down behind his vehicle female cop pulls up to the shoot out Decides she wants no part of it, and burns rubber abandoning her brother officer!!!!! The Chief says she knew her limitations and keeps her on the job!! I am not saying all women are that way just most of them!

[@IbangedYaMama]

Well it is 2022, they had to have a super woman marry a nice indian.

[@slooob23]

Her reckless, wide eyed approach to life literally killed her, you aren't making any sense. She was a free spirited young woman that died because she took after her father too much, but she was a likeable character all the same, as her father was also. Not everything is political, some things are tragic.

[@chikitabowow]

Great video as always! It would be fun in the future (if possible) to have kind of a timeline-video of the most major changes and improvements happening in the old west, maybe starting from the 1850's through to the 1890's or something like that

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Great idea! Thank you!

[@melbobadilla5996]

Got here researching history related to 1883 series. Great information! I'm late to the western lore. Been a proud American citizen since my family naturalized in south Texas in the 80's. Now that I am older (46), I am completely enamored with the old west. I even tell my wife that I want to experience the open range on a horse one day running with a cattle drive! We live in DFW and absolutely love the cattle drive history in Ft. Worth! Thank you for this channel :) keep up the great work!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it! You live in a part of the Old West, Mel!

[@VideoGameSlang]

There’s an early episode where a German character claims that it was illegal to swim in their birth country, which is complete BS. There was one instance in the 17th century for a city located on the Danube where swimming was banned and that was it. Also, guns were regulated in Germany, but not restricted.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

There were also guides for immigrants so they could be educated about traveling west.

[@teacheraprilrogers]

I thought this same thing. Glad to know I had it right.

[@IdiotBoxProductionsTV]

How would you know? Germany was split into hundreds of kingdoms and tribes and villages at the time? Many peasants couldn’t swim

[@andrewschliewe6392]

@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV Not in 1883, Imperial Germany was founded in 1871 at the end of the Franco-Prussian War.

[@davidradtke5166]

@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV well Germany was before 1806 splitted in around 300 principalities and sovereign states. With Napoleon I. Bonaparte came the summary in fewer and bigger middle powers and the foundation of the Rheinbund, which was west of the rhine and was under control of the French.

[@suestaley844]

I wondered about the whole " sell the oxen and buy horses to cross the wild west deserts". That was exactly opposite from what I'd heard. Oxen could scavenge food from the scrub, where working horses must be grain fed to hold weight.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right!

[@tedebear108]

Good morning Arizona Ghost Riders. I definitely enjoy the video my friend. Keep the good ones coming

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you, I will

[@ralphperez4862]

I'm totally in to this new series. I'm awaiting the next episode too. I like how you know all the juicy details about what is correct and not. Good Stuff. Thanks again my friend.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@teacheraprilrogers]

How did you feel about episode 5? It made me so mad.

[@ralphperez4862]

@@teacheraprilrogers it was a good episode. A bit far fetched, but good. What did you hate?

[@joemortimer1763]

Great episode. Have not seen the 1883 series yet, however after your review here, I will as soon as I can.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good. Enjoy it.

[@skydiverclassc2031]

3:33 Those crafty emigrants - Selling advertising space on the wagons to pay for the journey!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

lol!

[@0570965]

Good to see you and the gang are still at it . Thanks again

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Always

[@rhondaz356]

These tidbits of info are always so interesting. excellent, as usual🌞🤠👏

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@FutureRailProductions]

Now I want to watch this. Thanks for the review, Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@georgesowers9113]

I wondered about several things that I'm seeing pointed out here like trading the oxen for horses, the shoot out in the saloon, the three men going up against twice as many men several times and coming out alive and Elsa sleeping with a couple different men on the same trip and her parents not killing both men. What really was noticeable to me was when they were headed north through Kansas yet snow topped mountains were not only visible but the mountains were on their right. You cant see mountains from Kansas, you cant even see mountains from the Colorado/Kansas state line.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I find that there is a lot of funny business, but it's still very enjoyable.

[@shastaham7630]

You are rapidly becoming one of my favorite channels, by far the best of this genre. The only problem is I can't get enough of your content. I'm left like an addict, always needing a new fix... Have you done a video about my favorite western hero, Bass Reeves?

[@joecuppko40uh29]

LOL! I'll beat Santee to this one, yep he did, it's in the history, and it's a good'un too. Like you Bass is one of my favorite heroes, learned of him as a youngster while reading about the Lone Ranger & found that Bass was part of the basis for the TV show's idea.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Just recently I did Bass Reeves.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@theward1244]

Sad part about Thomas... In 1843 Oregon passed an exclusionary law that forbid blacks from living in Oregon and was not repealed until 1925. Therefore, Thomas would not have been able to settle there.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Interesting!

[@interactiveentertainment118]

I absolutely love and appreciate your commentary and research!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@BradSprinkle]

I really enjoy that show a lot. Thanks for focusing on this week. Keep them coming 🤠👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You bet

[@burningsandsexploration3711]

This is one of my very favorite shows. It's great to hear your critique.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you! It is a fun show.

[@bryangonzalez1398]

Great video as always Santee! I finally got a chance to sit down and watch the first few episodes and appreciate that one of the characters is a Civil War veteran. Was super excited when Tom Hanks showed up as my favorite general George G. Meade!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That was a fun cameo

[@dougbrower422]

Thanks Santee, I appreciate you doing this, it was very informative. Please give us periodic updates as the series progresses . Cheers…Mush

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Sure thing!

[@oasis6444]

This is for me, one of the best series I’ve ever seen. It’s got everything. However, there are two things that slightly bother me, in addition to those you mentioned, and that could have been, I think, easily avoided. First, why make it happen in 1883? In 1883 the Oregon trail was not really used any longer. It started not to be used in the early 60s with the railroad. In addition travelling third class was cheaper when you consider all the costs involved by traveling through the Oregon trail. It would also have been much safer. Second, there were no longer real native Indian threats on the trail in 1883. So, making this great série happen at least in the early 60s, would have easily solved these issues. And thx Santee for all your vids, they are all great. Fun and instructive! I’m always eagerly waiting for the next one.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, 20 years earlier would have worked better.

[@johnmackey7721]

Problem is they had already mentioned in Yellowstone that they’re 7th generation. Probably before they thought to do a prequel.

[@oasis6444]

@@johnmackey7721 Yep, you’re right. So, I think that adding 20 years over a 7 generation time frame, does not sound impossible to me. That would make a 3 years life span per generation… looks ok for me on average.

[@TerryKeever]

Everyone knows they didn't go west in 1860s. Everyone in the South was busy raising cotton, and everyone in the North was working in factories making guns. Both were getting ready for the War Between the States. Plus metallic cartridge firearms weren't ready for prime time yet. (Sarcasm for those too serious.)

[@c-secofficer123]

Uploaded 17 minutes ago and I’m still nowhere close to the first. Must be a MIGHTY FINE channel y’all got there

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you! Being the first commenter doesn't mean a hill of beans. Just glad to have you comment!

[@led8541]

Great video Santee I've been watching the series and so far it is pretty good

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoy it. We'll see how it progresses...

[@dericmederos1514]

lol i was looking for a western show that was authentic and told the difficulties of the old west and thanks to you i will buy this series

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, it's not very authentic, but it does convey the feel of the difficulties.

[@dericmederos1514]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I'll still watch it since I mainly want to see daily struggles of living in the Old West was like.

[@notdeaded1416]

Thanks again for another great video Santee. And I see you got to say your tagline this time, uninterrupted by Dan or even Bill.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yep. Sometimes it happens.

[@cesuryavuz3469]

Hey! I really like the way how you create your Video! The graphics, the storytelling, the jokes. Its nice to watch ;) Its actually my first video. But I hope for more! Keep up the good work. Greeting from Zurich Switzerland

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hey, thanks!

[@sarahcrews2544]

More importantly how accurate is the first game we played on a computer in school “the Oregon trail” lol

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Somewhat accurate, actually. I should review it...

[@chrissewell1608]

I always wanted to play that, but never did.

[@FieryWACO]

I'm still afraid of dysentery!

[@realChewky]

3:18 nice job adding the T rex 😅

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@oldtwinsna8347]

The railroad part really did bother me - as pointed out, it was relatively inexpensive and hell of a lot faster and safer to get out there. The American railroad infrastructure was pretty darn advanced in 1883, which included cheap transportation for everyone. But these immigrants weren't exactly dirt poor either. The really poor ones simply went to the east coast big cities. As some others pointed out, would've been a lot more accurate if the setting was just 20 or even 10 years earlier; only then would the wagon train-only focus on reality at the time.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good point about the really poor ones staying east.

[@craighatfield6391]

It has to be post little big horn 1876 to get them anywhere near the billings area.

[@Dsdcain]

Thanks for the new video. Interesting topic. Have a great day, and take it easy man. 😎

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Same to you

[@fordenginebuildersv8power184]

Another great episode! Wish they made more westerns!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yep!

[@wadejustanamerican1201]

Thanks as always. Have a great weekend.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you too

[@edwardstowers7272]

My personal catches of what I think are historical inaccuracies deal with moral behavior of the times. While cowboys have always cussed a lot, I can’t find any historical love for the F word Hollywood writers love. They used plenty of bad words for sure, but I’ve seen very little historical proof from that period they used that particular word. I also think women riding a horse like a man or wearing pants like Elsa does would have been scandalous at the time. Women, especially ladies, rode sidesaddle. Strapping a horse between her legs in those days would have been boldly lewd, and losing her virginity to a man she was not married to-while common today-would have been terribly scandalous for a young white woman in 1883, especially if the whole camp heard it, making Elsa seem no better than a common harlot. Common people were far more religious in those times and such things simply weren’t acceptable. Hollywood does this for drama, but they often use today’s social norms rather than those of the period. I loved that they filmed on location. I recognized the Brazos River even before they named it, as well as the use of Dennison (I used to work there) and Doan’s Station near the Red River. Really enjoying the show, however. The cinematography alone is more like movie-quality than TV-quality; some of the shot angles, colors and lighting are fantastic.

[@starababa1985]

Something that really irks me is showing ordinary women wandering around outside in their undergarments, without so much as a shawl. My grandparents were born in the 1880s, and this would've been unthinkable. I wouldn't even reach for the mail next to my front door today in just a slip. The neighbors would be scandalized.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Remember, there were a few women out there that wore pants, and they didn't care what others thought. I figure on a wagon train dealing with so much work and dirt, etc, that a lot of the Victorian etiquette went out the window.

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

Where can I pick up the dual gatling guns for a horse? Great video Santee, looks as if there's a Western series I need to binge watch!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hollywood!

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

@@ArizonaGhostriders you, you mean they ain't real? That just breaks my heart!

[@keithmaxwell2169]

Just one Gatling Gun would be Heavy On the Horse Much Less Two LOL

[@squiblift2019]

@@keithmaxwell2169 nah. A pair of GAU-2Bs would be light......nevermind. All of the support equipment to fire them would break a horse's back. Maybe on a caisson behind the horse......

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

@@squiblift2019 I might just have to go with a couple of the Tippman 9mm Gatling guns! Just not sure how to get both of them to fire with only one crank....hmm. I'm also not sure what the horse would do with all that action going on both sides!

[@mherod51]

It's an enjoyable western cable series with some great well-known actors and some not-so-well-knowns. The storyline keeps you interested and has what we all like, that realistic period gun play.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yep! Well, if you look closely you'll see they were shooting guns with no recoil!

[@mherod51]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I'm sure there's a lotta post production. LoL

[@Bucklerbjorn]

Another great episode Santee, sure gonna check that series out :) Yeehaww.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Please do!

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

I think this series suffers from the same problem as Hostiles: they set it too late. If I ever get my Paramount subscription sorted out, I'll probably check it out.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes, it should be 1855.

[@SirBlackReeds]

In the case of Hostiles, it was likely set so close to the turn of the century for poetic reasons.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@SirBlackReeds No doubt

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Another great episode Santee. Haven't seen the show 1883 yet. I'll have to look for it. We don't have a TV in our house, we get all our entertainment online.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you, JT!

[@victorwaddell6530]

Thanks again Santee & Co . I find anachronisms in film and tv interesting and often funny. I reckon the feller had an early " trials model " of the 1885 Winchester rifle . Ian over at Forgotten Weapons knows alot about trials models of firearms .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

There were only 600 made, and I think only 100 or so are still around.

[@stevenlindquist7840]

The 1885 Winchester High Wall was made from a 1878 patent by John M Browning which Winchester purchased from him in 1882. While you couldn’t purchase a Winchester version until 1885, you could have purchased a hand made 1878 Browning Single Shot, which were identical, if you traveled to the Browning Brothers shop in Ogden, Utah Territory between 1878 and 1882. Thanks to Arizona Ghostriders for noticing and pointing out this error. It drives me crazy to see period incorrect firearms in movies.

[@victorwaddell6530]

@@stevenlindquist7840 That's some great firearms knowledge . And now the makers of the TV series can be forgiven for any anachronism whether or not they knew the history of that firearm . Thanks for your input , Pardner !

[@bedeodempsey5007]

You a descendant of my 5x great grandfather, Alexander Waddell (1732-1834) who came from Scotland in about 1755? He had about 144 grandchildren.

[@victorwaddell6530]

@@bedeodempsey5007 I believe a lot of Waddells came over from Scotland to America through Philadelphia . Many went westwards and populated Appalachia . I have seen the advertisements for the series Outlander , but haven't watched it yet . In the 18th Century Appalachia was the ' Wild West ' . Daniel Boone .

[@offm3jack]

Just finished the show 1883 i think it’s a classic and I was emotionally invested in it. Never ever have i was emotionally invested in a show like this.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awesome!

[@edwardgleeson850]

The person who makes the first western without anyone being killed will be a real groundbreaker.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Oh they have already been made!

[@waynedaly1718]

Fun and informative as always. Love the Yellowstone series so I’m sure I’ll enjoy 1883 just as much. Thanks again Santee. G’day from Australia.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@davidbenner2289]

Great-Grampa was a town marshal in Montana in about that time. He ran a general store and was a lumber jack. On a business trip he came back and found out he had been elected as town marshal. He was robust at 6' 6" tall. He later moved on to Idaho and was a deputy sheriff and Indian agent. He's buried in Spokane. I just remembering him towering over me when he stood up when I was a kid. I was overseas when he died, around 1963, in his 90's. He only carried a ten-guage double barrel shotgun when getting people to come to court. In town he carried a big, heavy club. In shootout, a couple of very drunk cowboys (ranch hands, off one day a month) fired at each other. Great-Grampa waiting until they were out of ammunition, then stepped in and arrested them. In the morning, fixed them breakfast, fined them $5 each, gave their guns back and sent them back to their ranches. That's the only story I know. After the Civil War he and his brothers packed up and left Maine and moved West, along the US/Canadian border, cutting all the trees down along the way. From Maine to Washington, down to California, back to Washington. There he stayed, worked, grew old and died.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Great family history!

[@davidbenner2289]

@@ArizonaGhostriders his great-grandfather was in the first day to the last during the American Revolution, was in the Crossing of the Delaware with Washington. Received land for his service. He and seven other Continentals took it in the Canadian border partly to keep the British out. Today we would say he suffered from PTSD. His wife went back to Mayflower and Plymouth Colony families. Great-Grampa's grandson is a legend in clandestine services overseas during the Cold War: master spy and gurilla leader of native troops often hundreds of miles behind enemy lines: parachuted twice into Communist China during the Korean War. Our family history is interesting. Very "American". My mother's side, also in clandestine intelligence overseas, is where the Indian ancestry comes from. And Jamestown.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@davidbenner2289 Cool

[@ColoradoStreaming]

Now this is a series I would watch. Thank you for the story and all of it is very believable on how the law was handled back in the day. Many times the towns would randomly pick people to act as police and judge and they had to literally come up with sentences like fines etc out of thin air. One frontier marshal owned a bar and used it as his courtroom and the entire court would be drunk by the time they reached a verdict. Here is my Wild West story: One of my ancestors is James Witmore who was born in Athens, TN. He became a Mormon when living in Texas and travelled west to Utah driving 400 head of cattle. He was acquaintances with Brigham Young who instructed him to settle Pipe Springs in 1863 which is by St. George, UT. He went down with his son and brother in law and established 'Whitmore's Ranch' with and orchard and vineyard. Problems arose when they controlled the only access to water in the region and the Navajo Indians began to resent the settlers. In 1866 Indians raided the ranch and ran off with their livestock of sheep. Whitmore and his Brother and law set out to return the sheep but never came back and were presumed killed by the Indians. Whitmore's son ventured out and found the two bodies riddled with arrows in the snow. They later came across a band of Paiutes who had taken the clothing and executed them on evidence they had killed Whitmore. Eventually after more raids, Brigham Young himself went down to Pipe Springs and set up a permeant militia force to keep the Indian raiding at bay. Whitmore still has a historic house in Nephi, UT which is now a bed and breakfast and his grave is in a cemetery in St. George, UT.

[@SakunaSwonaChannel]

Enjoy watching my dear friend, interesting history in the old day. i hope you have a great day ahead.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks for visiting

[@57WillysCJ]

I watched the first episode and the things you mentioned especially the small pox did it for me. They had been giving people the "scratch" for many years. Being a history enthusiest can really disrupt ones viewing pleasure.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I actually still very much enjoy it, but you are correct. Knowing some of this "disrupts" it. I don't turn it off because they got something wrong. Seems sad to me that folks would do that.

[@57WillysCJ]

@@ArizonaGhostriders It's a discussion I had with Marshall Trimble 20 years ago. Usually I go back to watching with lower expectations later. I watch old western TV shows by doing so knowing that is all that could be done at the time. I keep hoping that they will do some right and then they don't. I give myself time to get over it. and go back.

[@RichWhiteUM]

@@ArizonaGhostriders My wife will turn off shows, like Law & Order, if I'm in the room. I will sit and point out what is wrong with the episodes, lol.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@RichWhiteUM HAHA!

[@randycurtis1176]

@@RichWhiteUM I read this to my wife and she side-eyed me. I can't help it. How many people with post grad degrees in history would love to get a paycheck from Hollywood by keeping the production historically correct.

[@jimf1964]

Great, thanks! I didn’t even know about the series, and so long as it isn’t too far off the mark, and gets a thumbs up from you, it’s gotta be decent. I’ll start watching it once I finish another series.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@LionquestFitness]

I made the foolish comment I'd watch Yellowstone if Sam Elliot made an appearance only to be told about this show. I'll probably get around to watching it in a couple of years. Finally got around to watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and have been intrigued, repulsed, and drawn in ever since. I'd be interested on a Ghost Riders take on the Rick Dalton character and the TV westerns of that era.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hmmmm, I might look into that. Thanks!

[@seanblair393]

Yellowstone is really good. 1888 had gotten to be one of my favorite programs.

[@LionquestFitness]

@@ArizonaGhostriders If he's up to it, it might be a good collaboration with Batjac.

[@distlledbrewedreviewed]

Thanks this was informative. I didn't know about the series.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad it was helpful!

[@clairemcleod8676]

Many thanks for this review. 🙏. During a rare rainy day last week, I watched the first five episodes... and as I watched, I was thinking, "I wonder what the Arizona Ghost Riders will think of 1883?" ... and here you are. 🏆💛

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Our pleasure!

[@Tipi_Dan]

Your review almost convinced me to watch it, Santee. All I have to do is tear myself away from KZbin.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@arctodussimus6198]

My Dad was a history buff from 1836 (the Alamo) through the turn of the century. Myself, I have been interested in pre-Civil War history. Mostly in the Fur Era. And mostly from the mid 1700’s to the mid 1800’s. If I had been around at the time, I believe I would have had to sign up for the Corps of Discovery. Recreating it today just doesn’t cut it for me. That’s a movie I want to see made.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awesome. Glad you are into history.

[@peterott9162]

I am DEFINITELY gonna check 1883 out!!!! Thanks again Santee for another really video

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Please do!

[@GustavoRubioGSR]

Great vid as usual. One thing though: while trading the oxen for the horses they mention the mules and Elliot´s character said something like as these folk have no experience it would be easier for them to deal with horses than stubborn mules. Greatings from Argentina, the land of the gauchos!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Mules get a bad rap from Hollywood. You can handle a mule as well as a horse. They aren't stubborn so much as cautious if they perceive a threat or mistreatment. That makes them an early warning system as well; more vigilant than horses.

[@GustavoRubioGSR]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Yeap! If they weren´t they wouldn´t have been used so widely. Down here there was a General (San Martin) who crossed the Andes ridge to liberate other countries and they used lots of mules for that epic trek on roadless and cliffy territories. I think mules don´t look so nice or heroic on the screen hehehe Thanks for the feedback

[@Rags2Itches]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Mules can also see where they set their hind feet. Oxen traveled slower than horses averaging 10 miles a day. My question is did oxen also have to be shod to make a grueling trip like that? There were cloven ox shoes. That would of been a hassle and oxen can not balance well if you lift a foot up to work on it, plus they weighed up to a ton each. I love watching 1883.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@GustavoRubioGSR Good info from you! Thanks.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@Rags2Itches Oxen would go through many shoes on a trip West. Those beasts may have been slower, but they were stronger and wouldn't wear out like a horse would.

[@MatsJPB]

I was not aware of this series, but will certainly go watch it now!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good

[@ronauldcameron3623]

I agree 1883 is well done the 1885 Hi-wall was the only glaring misrepresentation for me . I wish the Pinkerton badges were left out I don't see the relevance . The way Lawmen moved around back then they could bring up the fact they were retired Lawmen or Marshalls following a new venture as Wagon train Bosses . , The Small pox vaccines as Mandatory in Germany is interesting I didn't know this . Well done as usual my Friend !. I am so glad we have these Western Genre hits keeping the West alive is important to many of us like minded folk .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Not only was the vaccination mandatory in Germany, but Union soldiers had to have it.

[@ericruss4189]

Thanks for the review Santee.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You bet

[@TheCaptainbeefylog]

Try "Westward the Women" (MGM 1951) for a comparison. Although set in 1851 and made in the 50s it gives a fairly accurate showing of conditions. Most movies/TV show everyone riding in their wagons and happy, clean and well-fed. The reality was rarely that nice.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, it was rough going. Just took so dang long, too.

[@kevinlasota3982]

Always informative, great review.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@AZHighlandHomestead]

Great job brother!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks for the visit

[@FlyingDutchmanCoins]

Great video as always!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@StevenMMan]

You know I have to admit I like this show, and I also have to admit I'm slow to notice authentic details missing. As a long time Wyoming resident and large hat is a part of my wardrobe couple the outdoor lifestyle. There is one important detail missing. The cowboy/rancher tan line. Burnt brown face from the eyebrow down take off the hat for a bed sheet white forehead and ear tops.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good catch!

[@ColoradoStreaming]

They could have at least had a cameo appearance by Ned Ledoux too if they are putting in Country singers as actors.

[@normangarrett1033]

I noticed the same thing. In Illinois we call it a farmer tan. You see PGA golfers that have a serious case of it too. Anyone can get it if you watch a lot of outdoor summer sports. Then there's its companion: the sock tan.

[@1dreamscomettrue]

Other than dates being 10 or so years off and the slight fast pace i think it excudes what most TV shows lack these days something I won't list bcs I don't wanna but good watch 10/10 would reccomend

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awesome!

[@roderickreilly9666]

What about the Plains Indian attack that starts out the pilot? Seems to be an anachronism for them region at the time. Especially with the one brave announcing he was going to sell the girl rather than kill her. That was also some 20-30 years out of date. Am I wrong?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It was set about 25 years too late.

[@iangreen5257]

As always a fantastic episode , keep up the great work

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks, will do!

[@shepdog1274]

Hey Santee, I think a cool video would be “winter attire in the old west” I’d love to see it. Thank you!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Noted!

[@AlphaTraveler1]

Another super cool one Santee. Thanks for always keeping me entertained. I love the old wild west and thats why I love Old Tucson and all the other parsk in AZ. Hope you will have a fantastic 2022 and have it another AWESOME year. 👍👍👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ryanmedina5090]

I watched the first episode and liked what I saw. Then the holidays and life happened. Now that it is all over and my life has calmed down, I plan to sit down and catch up. Might just do that this weekend. I was thinking back that it was your Historical review of Red Dead 2 that helped me discover the Arizona Ghostriders. Seems like forever ago now.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks for continuing on with us!

[@WhispersFromTheDark]

Your video's are always funny and entertaining AND educational and I just LOVE that! And your creativity and editing skills are incredible. Just wanted to say that, and THANK YOU for all that you do.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you so much!! Much appreciated.

[@TieToter]

Right away, when Sam Elliott's character was contemplating suicide, he was using a "smokeless powder frame" Colt, which was not introduced until 1896.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good catch

[@ColoradoStreaming]

I was wondering about that. The problem is the cliché "Wild West" fast gun colts actually came at the end of the Wild West but they are more cinematically friendly than the black powder Colt Navy Revolvers that were there for most of the actual West expansion.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@ColoradoStreaming The 1873 Colt that we all know and love was very popular. However, the cut-down barrels were less prevalent. Most of the existing ones you see (in museums or collections) were 7.5" barrels.

[@JackHughes-yx4qj]

Never watched the show, but I really like your channel! Thanks for the awesome western content

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome

[@JeffDeWitt]

I got the Paramount Channel back when it was CBS Interactive so I could watch new Star Treks... but wound up mostly using it for Perry Mason. Now I'll have to check out 1883. Suggestion, add a link to your Patron site to make it easier to find it and support your good work.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good to hear you're gonna check it out. It is above the "Ghostriders Q & A"

[@JeffDeWitt]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Did you just add that or did I miss it? In either case I found your Patreon page and found I was already a supporter, keep up the good work!

[@utej.k.bemsel4777]

I'm one of the vaccinated against small pox in Germany. Still have the scar at my hip. We had no choice as kids. But i'm glad to be vaccinated, because i think small pox aren't really extinct. They are lurking still in one little part of the world biding their time...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yup!

[@justinshelden263]

I really wanted to like this series, I love Yellowstone. I could have ignored the unlikely storyline but, the horrible wardrobe has made it impossible to enjoy... tied down holsters, "Gus" hats, leather cuffs, and every pair of batwing chaps they could find. Inaccurate chaps should be left behind, they don't do anything for the character. I know it's expensive to dress people authentically, but shaping a hat, tightening up a pistol belt, reshaping a hat, and foregoing the batwing chaps wouldn't have cost a dime! Several people in the authentic groups on social media have said that they were hired as technical advisors, and the production team ignored their criticisms of the wardrobe. I had hoped Taylor Sheridan would give as much effort to making 1883 look correct as he did Yellowstone, but apparently he needs to stick to the modern western. 🤷‍♂️

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Director's and producers have say over wardrobe. There are many correct wardrobe pieces in the show, as well. With most westerns you find issues with hats, gunbelts, holsters, cuffs, etc. Face it, Hollywood is never going to make it exactly right. You have to look past that or you won't ever enjoy another one.

[@justinshelden263]

@@ArizonaGhostriders you're right, knowledge can be a bit of a curse. It's just so frustrating to see things that are easily prevented or fixed, that stick out like a sore thumb. Directors and producers need to learn to hire subject matter experts, and then TRUST them! I'm sorry, but the batwing chaps are just a cow patty in the punch bowl.

[@ponydiehl8775]

@@justinshelden263 dont watch any 70s westerns then!

[@hawgleyferguson9832]

Great video, as always! 😊

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@99dsm1]

I take real issue with the number of characters carrying pistols like they are in a sass match, so many are carrying 1 strong side draw and 1 cross draw at all times, at one times we had around 9 people in a scene doing this. Just not substantiated with photos, paintings or historical accounts to have ever been that common

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, I get that. Not that many carried two guns, anyway.

[@robertbuckey6517]

Another great episode Santee! And it's so funny, I watched episode 5 of 1883 right before coming over to KZbin to see what you have in store. Also subscribing to your patreon, surprised I haven't done that earlier.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That is awesome! Thanks much.

[@History_Coffee]

My sister described this show to me as "very shooty and smallpoxy"

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAHAHA!

[@AHappyHoarder]

😆❤❤❤❤ Nailed it!!!

[@maxlutz3674]

Good review. Is the scene with those horse mounted dual gatling guns from "Jonah Hex"?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yup

[@andrewlabat9963]

I noticed the Colt reproductions are not time period accurate, they have features that did not come out on Colts for another thirteen years on the gen 2 model. I have a fully operational true gen 1 Pietta, so noticed it. Yea. a small thing..

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good catch. I noticed they were all kind of dark and quick views. But that's why I mentioned you may have eagle eyes compared to mine.

[@bedeodempsey5007]

@Ron Bristow actually, the Peacemaker came out in 1873. Colt conversion revolvers officially came out in 1871. The earliest gunsmith conversions, in violation of the Rollin White patent, would be about 1862. 1862 marked the birth of the two rimfire cartridges for both the Colt Navy (.38) and the 1860 Army (.44 Henry).

[@rhorn8038]

Howdy!! Well I only noticed two AGR logo's sharing a ride on the wagon and then on the pole between the cowboys and or Pinkerton guys. As usual great content and enjoyable to watch.... Keep up the spirit!!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@rickyramirez3483]

Hey, Santee! I like the new intro with the town layout and all. QUESTION! How planned the towns…width of streets, lot dimensions, where goes the saloons, sheriffs office etc? Thank you and AIR ASSAULT🇵🇷🤙🏻

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good episode idea! Thank you!

[@rickyramirez3483]

@@ArizonaGhostriders that would be an honor! 😂😂😂 being a land surveyor, old maps and town planning gets my attention! Gracias amigo! You got mail!

[@chelseadanico877]

Here’s some backstory information on my stories main character Mayor-Sheriff Mercia Hawkins: Mercia Hawkins is afraid of dark spaces, sharp metallic objects and rushing water. Since the planet he lives on is mostly dark and often rains molten glass and has toxic sand glass mixed in with the forest soil , he is afraid to go anywhere where the soil glass mixture is present as well as being in the dark on his home planet. That often leads to conflict with others, that he had to eventually overcome. Other than that he is a good leader, yet often he oversteps his boundaries and acts as if he governs the entire settlement, instead of just his town. That brings tension between him and the governor of the adjoining village. I hope you all really like this information on my stories main character

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🤠

[@chelseadanico877]

@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks 🌟👍🏼😎

[@bigblue6917]

Thanks for the video, Santee. At least 1883 is closer to reality then many other film and TV series.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yup

[@FieryWACO]

I saw a series where a 'cowboy' was wearing spurs upside down. It irritated me the whole show.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@FieryWACO HAHA!

[@indigowolf556]

Well Santee, somehow I missed this video. But huge Western lover I've been watching your channel for a while and as a up-and-coming western fiction writer, it's all about whatever the writer wants to put in the book and let the reader and vision for themselves. I think it's great that a lot of people like the accuracy and want to have more accuracy in movies than the Hollywood Western which I know sometimes it's truly unbelievable. But sometimes the rider or the makers have a movie we're just there to entertain I don't think everything always has to be a hundred percent accurate I know there's people that love that and that's great but it's just to entertain and take you away and say this could have happened in this time of life. Good movie

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It's important for us all to seperate Hollywood from history. Enjoy the Hollywood!

[@stephenclemence5856]

I enjoyed most of the series, but the pretty blond girl falling in love with an Indian, and then he makes her a sexy Indian outfit to wear, was a a bit far fetched.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

A bit.

[@johnjones_1501]

The train thing was the first problem I noticed. Honestly, I think it was because the writers couldn't agree on if they wanted to set the series in the 1850s, which would have made more sense for the covered wagon story they were trying to tell, or the 1880s in the age of level action rifles and revolving cartridge pistols, which is when you want to base a gunslinger story involving level action rifles and cartridge firing revolvers, so they just ignored the timeline and imagined a lame excuse to do both.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It wouldn't offer enough action and show the resiliency of the characters if they hopped a train.

[@johnjones_1501]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Same, I imagine for if they had to watch gunfights with lots of musket reloading.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@johnjones_1501 UNLESS, the train derailed and they had to go the rest of the way on foot!

[@fishbonez5670]

Great video was hoping you all would cover this series. I caught myself looking for you all in the background during the shootout. Figured Dirty Dan would be cheating someone in cards. 🙂

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HHAHAH!

[@jjsadventures]

Glad you answered this question. I was wondering that myself

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

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