Old West Myth Vs. Reality: Firearms

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

***Correction: Quigley shot a .45-110 (smaller diameter bullet).***

[@E3ECO]

Love that movie.

[@tonyhoneyman3693]

Couldn’t stop laughing when Santee went flying off. Good thing I had my coffee ☕️ sitting down. Great video. Keep ‘em coming.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@asorbus1966]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I had a laugh at that one as well. Not really THAT bad, but you'd better pull that stock in tight. LOL. The 50-90 was more than enough for me! Pulling the trigger is like launching a bus.

[@KevinSmith-os5yz]

I have a 44 magnum marlin lever action. It has more recoil than one would expect from a pistol round. Maybe due to fast burning pistol powder. Also have a 300 winmag, more of a heavy slower push than the snappy 44.

[@nilo70]

I have a colts 3rd mod. Dragoon revolver in .44 cal. I usually shoot 40 grains of 3F and a wonder wad and a pure lead ball . I guess that makes it a 44-40 !

[@AVeryCaffeinatedMan]

i choked on my soda 😂

[@mherod51]

Yep, we sure get used to no recoil when doing our gunfights for the audiences we perform for. There's quite a bit of difference in those and the real thing. Hollywood makes it look easy and we do the same, but the truth is, a full powered round can be punishing. I still recall the kiss on the eyebrow that a scoped .308 Norma Magnum hunting rifle gave me shooting it the first time. The owner, a WWII Ranger in the Pacific theater who later homesteaded in Alaska told me, "It kills everything in front of and mames everything behind.".

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes, wow a .308 is a gi round.

[@bigbill2444]

@@ArizonaGhostriders And the M-1 Garand shot the .30-06, which kicked harder. Although, the ranger in question may have used an M-1 Carbine, which kicked a lot less.

[@mherod51]

@@bigbill2444 yes, he fondly spoke of the Garand.

[@bunkstagner298]

try the .358 Norma Magnum here is a real fun gun to shoot. A killer on both ends.

[@knightatthecrossroads222]

I own mosin nagant made in 1942 and there is no doubt it saw the action it kicks like mule too.....I called the ambassy of Ukraine told them that I would volunteer to join the legion and take this rifle back to the battlefield with all the ammo I have.......they said no guns across the border.....so the old mosin will stay in the safe and shoot maybe one day on the range if I get call up papers and will return......

[@jacktribble5253]

You mentioned the smoke, that's another inaccuracy in the movies that anyone who has shot black powder will notice. Not nearly enough smoke depicted. If you fire a flintlock inside, everyone will be going outside. Great video. Always drink upstream from the herd.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I plan to do one inside one of the saloons where we depict just that. I will wear a cam on my glasses or hat to show the lack of visibility after the first shot.

[@Phoenix4424]

I wish I could experience shooting some of those old west guns but unfortunately it's not really possible where I live so I'll settle for watching you and your friends have fun with them.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hopefully one day. Come to visit and any number of folks will be happy to share with you

[@maxlutz3674]

@@ArizonaGhostriders That´s one of the amazing things about the blackpowder and CAS communities. Ask and you will - most likely - be given. Sometimes you get offered without asking just because they are nice folks. I try to keep that spirit alive too.

[@williamh.bonney8662]

If it's a case of gun laws preventing you then you could always settle for an airsoft or bb alternative, I own a Barra Schofield that shoots real well and feels like the real thing

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@williamh.bonney8662 Excellent option!

[@whyareusobad3528]

@@maxlutz3674 i don’t think it’s the black powder community but the gun community as a whole most people are chill unless you meet crazies or ruffians But I’d prefer not being around those people when they have guns

[@joelhurley2678]

I am a novice with firearms, but thoroughly enjoyed watching. All of you guys gave a great explanation, that I could keep up. Thanks 😊!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@Brombear]

Never forgot the first time I shot a full match with BP cartridges - no breeze whatsoever and using full power loads. Had to literally pause to find the targets! Brings a whole new light to those shootouts that happened in saloons and why everyone would be hitting the deck. I read somewhere that due to the non-uniformity of commercial ammo, folks would re-prime the brass, load black powder and sink a round ball into the case, and was known as a "Cavalry Load" (dunno if this is the truth or not). Also know how your shoulder feels; the 50-140 has a stout kick! Thanks again Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, it didn't really hurt that much. I was just acting. I only shot about 4 rounds. Great stuff, tho

[@Brombear]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Fun story; first buffalo rifle match I went to, I had an '86 Trapdoor and was waiting for the first shot to go downrange. 50 feet to one side, someone was popping rounds out of an AR-15. A few seconds later, the hammer of God sounded as someone lit off a 50-90. I looked over and saw the massive cloud of smoke going downrange, and immediately yelled out "I gotta get me one a those!"

[@deanmeyer1815]

You are likely referring to a “gallery load” that was load with a light charge for practice. The Carbine load was .45-70-405, Original military load was .45-70-500, but being on horseback and cavalry soldiers usually being on the smaller, lighter side, tended to knock them off the back of the horse. There was also a “sentry”load that used 3 round balls stacked on top of each other for short range shooting similar to a shotgun with double aught buckshot, as well as a few other special purpose uses, such as used in some officer’s model and target model 1873 Springfields.

[@tedebear108]

Good morning Santi. I definitely definitely enjoyed this episode. I love the fact that you were using accurate loads to shoot the guns. I also was excited to see that you were using your authentic weapons of the time. I definitely live American history and the history of the old west that you bring alive. Stay safe

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated!

[@adoginacowboyhat8196]

Santee’s editing sure is getting good! Great video!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks!

[@TimKoehn44]

Great episode Santee. True about the lack of recoil in movies. Reenactments are the same. Our cannon doesn't really recoil with blanks. Hard to give that illusion. Keep up the great videos. 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I'd say it is hard to that with a cannon. LOL! However, you have to try. These "Cannon Actors" can be difficult to work with.

[@TimKoehn44]

@@ArizonaGhostriders too funny Santee! Thanks brother!

[@nilo70]

Thank you Santee for keeping the Old West alive and making me laugh !

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@SaintAndrewTV]

Those smooth bore muskets have a special place in my heart. Great video as always!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Mine too!

[@deanmeyer1815]

If you are talking about the .54 cal Hawken, it has a rifled barrel, likely with 1turn in 66 or 72 inches twist to stabilize a round lead ball.

[@stanleybrown7844]

Great one it's amazing to see people who have never shot black powder react to the recoil and the smoke thanks for sharing

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@doughesson]

When I take my black powder shotgun for doves, people think it's funny to ask "Is it supposed to rain today? I see clouds over Doug's stand!"(weisenheimers...)

[@LivingHistorysMysteries]

Leave it to ole Santee to always give us more *bang* for the buck. The load differential between several of our ol westian shooters is alot more different than one would think. The perfect example would be my 1880 Gold Hibbard 12ga coachgun I call Grumpy. The old 12ga loads were a black powder load and would shoot smoothly from her damascus double barrels which IS NOT the case with modern 12ga loads. A modern 12ga load would actually blow the barrels into not so pretty damascus orchids. When using her in reenactments I use a blank 12ga load I have to order from a company in Texas which is still very affordable at $65 per 50. Thanks Santee for yet another...explosive...video and I'm raising a shot of Bulleit Bourbon to a speedy recovery for your poor shoulder. HAHAHAHA

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Just remember....Grumpy is mine if you get squeezed to death by an anaconda.

[@LivingHistorysMysteries]

@@ArizonaGhostriders 😆...Yes Santee I remember. Things get much tighter around here I may start considering re-homing her and the twins. Lol

[@palerider7171]

One my favorite is Glen Campbell in “True Grit” shooting the turkey with a 50 caliber Sharps Carbine with absolutely no recoil! As for “I don’t see how anyone could hit anything fanning the hammer” … your in good company, Wyatt Earp agreed.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks for the extra info!

[@jasonattenborough4026]

Another excellent video Santee. As I recall my family history, most of the fathers had strong board shoulders, which made then excellent shooters, but repeatedly shooting one of those rifles often injury them. Another matter taking into account was the wind, they usually fired in the same direction of the wind and not against it, as this left them blind to a counter attack and easy targets. I noticed most of the men in your video were wearing glasses to protect thier eyes, most of the men using rifles in that era didn't wear glasses, and often only fired three to four times before washing/cleaning thier eyes, or simply pull back and allow another shooter to take thier place. Overall a very excellent video.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks. Eye protection is a must nowadays. Especially shooting steel targets, as the lead spatters back.

[@bigchiefleatherworks7245]

Another great episode. I'm currently working on a single action rig for a gentleman with a crossdraw and fold over holster on a ranger belt. I hope he enjoys it as much as I enjoyed making it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's awesome and I bet he will.

[@BradSprinkle]

Thank you all. This conversation has been had more than once between shooters and new shooters around here. Keep them coming. This one was great 👍 🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Our pleasure!

[@robertbuckey6517]

Another great episode Santee! Shooting historical firearms is so much fun. And just a heads up, I shared Rawhide Western Town with someone who's been running local gaming conventions up here in the Phoenix area, and now he's looking at it for a western themed gaming convention, so we're hoping to do it early next year, fingers crossed. Ideally, we're talking gaming with anything with a western theme, from board games to RPGs, plus all the stuff the venue offers. I'll keep you updated!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, keep me posted.

[@anthonygalliart1789]

Thanks for another great video Santee! That old 50-120 Sharps Bottleneck was considered a monster stopper back in the day and would still be Big Medicine even on Kodiak Bars (Davy killed him one on a tree when he was only three) today!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes!

[@notsosilentmajority1]

Great job Santee. I like shooting steel when shooting black powder long guns. This allows me to hear the target ring (I hope) even if I can't see through the smoke. Stay safe. 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah! I found that out. Lotta fun.

[@notsosilentmajority1]

@@ArizonaGhostriders 👍

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

That was some kick! Where'd ya land? You hit on my favorite topic Santee and the 1874 Sharps with a 34" barrel in 45-110 is one of my dream guns! Great video!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you! I landed in San Tan Valley somewhere near a Circle K

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

@@ArizonaGhostriders 🤣

[@squiblift2019]

@@ArizonaGhostriders you could have gotten a Polar Pop while you were there.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@squiblift2019 LOL!!!

[@AZHighlandHomestead]

4:45 I’m just dead. 💀 laughing so hard. Great edit Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@BillSprague]

Thanks for a fun trip to introduce non-shooters to the reality of recoil. I recall that modern powders burn but black powder explodes and it, therefore, gives a greater recoil then does smokeless powder. Also the huge lead bullets at half and ounce gives a pretty good rearward jolt on its own as it’s suddenly accelerated. I hope your shoulder heals soon. 😉 That’s some great acting Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks and recoil is always something to be respected and learned from.

[@tomjackson4374]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Remember for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, unless you are married.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@tomjackson4374 LOL! Yes...

[@johnhipp8267]

Black powder burns.

[@ralphperez4862]

Thanks so much for this excellent episode. Those are some fine guns and some good shooting. I love these old timey guns. I enjoyed seeing Dustin in there too. I have several of these old timey guns. Fun Times for sure!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated!

[@johnraines4825]

Hey, Santee! How about the air rifles that Lewis and Clark took with them on their expedition?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

We can talk about those at some point.

[@marcosaraiva9205]

This going too be AWESOME 👌 👏 👍 you must do more of this ! Have a great black powder weekend!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@Rollin_L]

As a younger man, at the local range, a gentleman let my try his Ruger Super Blackhawk in .45 Colt, with handloads that were as hot as .44 Magnum. It wasn't the recoil per se that was problematic, it was the revolver rolling back in my hand and then the trigger guard slamming back down on my middle finger that hurt like hell, lol. I'm still catching up on the older videos, Santee, but having a "blast" with every one! Hope your shoulder has recovered by now!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@1stminnsharpshooters341]

enjoyed the video over morning coffee pards, can't wait to get back to the range with our group *LIKED* the video.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@peterott9162]

That was awesome Santee! Old west guns are some of the best!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

They are

[@davidrodgers8252]

Another great video pard. I enjoyed working on it with you. I'll send you a photo of that stone that was blown apart by my Big-50 shot.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

OH, I forgot you got that photo. Remember I thought it broke into 4 pieces, then you found the 5th.

[@Ammo08]

I never could get over the westerns where someone would take cover behind an overturned poker table or those swinging saloon doors.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right!

[@JeffDeWitt]

I've fired some guns that had pretty good recoil but nothing like the one Santee shot, must have been a cannon is disguise. I haven't laughed so much in ages, thanks!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

Love the video. I couldn't say it better myself. Its fun to shoot a old gun . it's really fun shooting proper antique loads. And add that together you get a small understanding of life back them Snapper needs a Sharps rifle

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

Lol makes since when we last talked you were shooting a sharps

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

There's something magical about it.

[@squiblift2019]

Not sure if there's still a waiting list for a Shiloh Sharps. They are pricey.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@squiblift2019 Yeah. Too rich for my blood.

[@squiblift2019]

@@ArizonaGhostriders when I used to have that kind of money laying around there was a 36-month wait for a Shiloh Sharps. Now there's no wait and I don't have that sort of money laying around.

[@INeverMetAGunIDidntLike]

Good video and a good example of recoil, reducing the powder charge of the 45-70-405 cartridge to 55 grains of black powder (45-55-405) for the 1873 Springfield cavalry carbine, in order to save the troopers' shoulders.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

All joking in the video aside, I don't think it's that punishing.

[@victorwaddell6530]

Thanks again Santee & Co. I have a shooting replica of a Hawken rifle chambered in .54 . The recoil is a soft push to the shoulder . I own a modern Thompson Center Pro Hunter chambered in .416 Rigby and it will throw you in a loop if you're not braced . The .416 Rigby is late to the Old West period , being introduced in 1911 by the British for hunting the largest of animals .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Interesting. I've limited knowledge of British calibers.

[@skipwilliams7288]

Very educating video Santee. My son and I loaded up my grandfather's civil war Colt .44 with FFG powder and shot a few rounds. It did have a little punch to it but still fun and manageable to shoot. One of the cylinders was too big where the ball was loose. We just put in a little more paper towel around the ball and it was fine. Keep those excellent videos coming Santee. Skip

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Once you get past the first couple rounds, it becomes more manageable.

[@vikingshaman3079]

Another great episode, ya did it again! Man, all those historic firearms brought out the five year old, in this history buff and antique weapon enthusiast.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@RhettyforHistory]

Great episode and I love the humor on this one! It is interesting to think of the recoil not being there in the films but the impact sure is. I think anyone who has ever hunted understands it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@landonsimpson7839]

Santee your videos are just flat out amazing, thank you for this fun and hilarious video.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated!

[@hacksaw434]

One of my pards in the Circle D Rangers had a very good Matthew Quigley impression complete with a Sharps rifle. When he lets loose with that thing, it sounds like a cannon going off!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Don't doubt it.

[@captbart3185]

Good episode, guys. Love shooting my “cowboy” guns. Thank you for doing them justice. Another time try the Walker Colt. Mine is a clone since I’m not rich but it only lacks wheels to be an artillery piece!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Heavy sucker!

[@Icarryone]

Very entertaining episode Santee! 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@miket2120]

A friend who worked in the motion picture industry said that the problem with actors faking the recoil was timing. Just a little late and it didn't look fake, but far worse: looking "off," which is more distracting to the audience (their mind starts thinking about it). By not doing the recoil, you didn't have the chance of distracting the audience and they kept their attention to the story at hand. Another issue is retakes, which eat up time on set (and time=money). You have to get the actors and extras back on their starting marks, reset the lights, the focus pull etc. If the shot has bullet hits, whether it be on a character or set, then retakes are even more disruptive (changing clothes, resetting the pyro charges and squibs, repairing the bullet hits on an object, etc). So by sacrificing a tiny bit of realism, the overall story can be told on time and on budget.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

True. My experience on set is that nobody thinks about enforcing it. However, in one movie we had a director that wanted it for realism and frequently reminded us between takes.

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

Very good video lol that sharps has some sharp Recoil !!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes it does!

[@PewPewBeets]

It's fascinating to see the difference between old and new calibers. Modern rounds are relatively small and easy to control while old calibers are absolutely massive and require a ton of strength and concentration to stay on target. Just goes to show how tough men had to be back in the day.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes!

[@martinlewis1015]

I tried the high velocity 7.62 rifle, and slowly pulled trigger and ended up pointing from 9 -12oclock

[@dougbrower422]

Absolutely loved this one! Please do more range episodes, if you can work it in with future topics…thanks.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks. I'll try!

[@coboscounty8513]

Great video and was good to see my old Shooting partner Jedi in your Video!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He answered a lot of questions for me. Good fella. I hope to meet him one day.

[@snoman003]

If I'm not mistaken, the Sharps rifle depicted in the movie Quigley down under was a 45-110 not a 50-110.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You are right! I posted a correction in a pinned comment and the description field shortly after the upload.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

LOL, Santee this has to be your best episode ever! Loved it! JT

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@oldtanker4860]

When I went BP hunting in AZ. I used a .45 Hawken kit I built and browned. I settled on a 225 gr conical cast lead slug over 110 gr of black or pyrodex later. It tended to really punish my right cheek bone at the bench. I took 3 muley's with it. Still have it but the rifling is worn out.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Very nice!

[@mildbill2806]

As usual..mighty informative and entertaining. I noticed a long time ago that actor Buck Taylor, when on Gunsmoke, always added the proper recoil motion when firing blanks. After that, I became aware of how many other western actors didn't, "go thru the motion".

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It shouldn't be a deal breaker for anyone when watching a western, but it is interesting to note.

[@johnchandler1687]

Not showing recoil ain't nothing. I've noticed western movies where you could see power lines in the distance. And all those white faced cows on cattle drives that didn't exist back then. Also guns that hadn't been invented yet in Civil War Era movies. It's fun to watch for. My grandfather made a game of it when we'd watch TVwesterns.

[@CrispyChikenSammich]

4:45 BEST. EDIT. IN. THE. HISTORY. OF. THIS. CHANNEL.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@DarrenBurch]

4:45 ha ha So funny. Excellent upload Santee

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated, Darren.

[@RETRIBUTION_TIME]

Great video. Thanks for posting.👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You bet

[@hailwidis9543]

A very nice video once again ! Thank you for all your work Santee

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

My pleasure!

[@brianfuller757]

Really enjoyed this episode.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@ericruss4189]

"NOW INTRODUCING THE FLYING SANTEE!!!!!" Love seeing the classic firearms. We use to have live shoots with our living history weapons. We would load to the 1860s specifications. My .577 Enfield had a decent kick to it. Love feeling my Colts jump in my hands.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, it's a trip when you aren't expecting it.

[@squint04]

Great Job Santee!!! Nice info and some humor, I look forward to the Saturday visits!! I had forgotten about James Caan's hokey sawed off! Did Val shoot 9 rounds from a 6 gun? Hmmmm!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I believe it was the same gun Kevin Costner used in Open Range. A 12-shot six shooter.

[@squint04]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Classic "Hollywood"😂

[@No1Bigbear]

Who are the group of people in the upper right corner of your videos at the very end? I've seen it for a few years now and I probably have missed who or what they are...Thanks for all your hard work and great content! I hope that you will make longer videos 1 day!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That is costumer Jenna Miller's business called Ravenna's. Link to her site is in the description field.

[@Nooziterp1]

This 'being hit with a bullet knocks you over ' thing isn't just in westerns. It is in most Hollywood movies involving firearms. I remember hearing about an experiment in which a man put on a bulletproof vest and stood on one leg while another shot him with a rifle at something like 50 feet. He remained standing.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yet there are eyewitness accounts of people dropping immediately when shot. I guess it depends...

[@Nooziterp1]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Dropping immediately is one thing. Flying backwards like in Hollywood movies is another.

[@LiteralCrimeRave]

I've seen a video of a guy getting shot with a full auto FAL by a buddy to prove this exact point (successfuly)

[@marcyp1]

I really enjoyed the video. I'm totally into black powder cartridge with 45 Schofield, 44 WCF, 45 Colt, 45-55, 45-70 and 12 gauge (with brass casings)..I do a little cowboy action but I still use only the full BP loads for authenticity...again, great video...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@manuelaschneiderexcitingtr5726]

amazing as usual very interesting, I love this series,learn so much from it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you!

[@jjsadventures]

Thanks Santee! I enjoy learning about old firearms and ammunition. Hope your shoulder is recovering 😉

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeeow

[@iandamianluciferwilson7385]

I love this channel. Always something to bring on a smile. Thanks guys from little old me in the UK

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

I shot a few cowboy matches with a pair of birdshead sheriff model Ruger Vaqueros loaded with 260 grain bullets over a full 40 grains of 3f. Had to use a compression die to get the powder down far enough to fully seat the bullet, and it basically crushed it down to a solid cylinder like the pellets of BP substitute for modern muzzleloaders. The smoke and blast from those loads out of those short barrels was something to behold and recoil was...noticeable. Another factor they don't show in the movies is how hot the guns get when rapid-firing black powder. The forend wood on my 45 Colt model 92 actually charred during the Custer's Last Stand side match at Summer Range!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Wow!

[@wessburch8522]

I personally would appreciate longer videos

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well you'll get one this Saturday, but with a day job, research, and editing....not much chance they can get longer.

[@stanley917]

Another Sharp video loaded with information well aimed at your target audience, glad you pulled the trigger on it.........

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I was burning to do it. Glad I took a shot.

[@normangerring4645]

Thanks, 😁👍 very interesting and educational. And another good start for my weekend.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Great to hear!

[@markd5625]

I was always a big fan of the 10 and 20 shot "six-shooters" in the Westerns from the 50's.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@mikegrossberg8624]

I don't know if Santee did a video on this, but there was a reason for the Hollywood "miracle gun". Film, and time, costs money, and having to slow down the action, especially in a low-budget production, while everyone is reloading every ten seconds, unless the script required it, of course, would be a waste of time AND film(and, therefore, MONEY)

[@garygabrielle3254]

Haven’t seen an episode in a couple of weeks. Glad your back.

[@guycampbell733]

he puts one out every saturday.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, I put them out every Saturday since 2016

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

👍🏻

[@garygabrielle3254]

I have your site subscripted must have miss them. As I enjoy watching them. Thank You for the entertainment and learning in one site.

[@dcb_75]

Great video, haven't gotten a chance to get out shooting for a while now and never with any guns like that but it looked like a blast. Next time you go though, might want to pack a parachute, might make the landings a little softer!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good idea!

[@SlickSixguns]

Well apparently you are recoil shy Santee….if you weren’t then you are now

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes, Slick. It appears so!

[@theangrymarmot8336]

Great video - a little bit of info about the Quigley Down Under scene shown - they actually swapped barrels on the Sharps long range with an aluminum one for quite a bit of scenes due to the rifle being too heavy to man handle. Iraqveteran8888 has a video where he takes a look at the screen used sharps, a few years ago. I own a modern "copy" of that gun = and at ~15 pounds it gets real heavy real fast due to all the front weight from the 34" octagon barrel - but when shooting from a rest or using shooting sticks (which was the common way back then) it is an awesome experience. True West Magazine (made here in Cave Creek Az!) also has a great issue a few months ago about Tom Selleck , Quigley, and the guns.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It was definitely a heavy barrel. I had trouble keeping on target. Just not used to it.

[@marcthomas2482]

Great video Santee! You played the recoil even better than old Jimmy Caan! I just about shot coffee out my nose!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL! Thanks.

[@TUCOtheratt]

Really liked the verbal reaction to being coached how to shoot.🤣That's what everybody says.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ToniKang]

OH MY GOD!! I enjoyed this so much!! Thank you for sharing this!! Kiddo and I loved it! ❤️❤️❤️

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@michaelmatthews2759]

quigley shoots a modified 45-110, sorry Santee I seen the movie a hundred times "You know your weapons. It's a lever-action breech-loader. Usual barrel length's thirty inches. This one has an extra four. It's converted to use a special forty-five caliber, hundred-and-ten-grain metal cartridge, with a five-hundred-forty-grain paper patch bullet. It's fitted with double-set triggers, and a Vernier sight, marked up to twelve-hundred yards. This one shoots a mite further."

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, I pinned a correction in the comments and in the description field. Thanks. So, I shot a bigger round than Quigley! Woohoo!

[@mysteriousyoungman]

I am glad you showed a clip of Mississippi firing his sawed off shotgun in El Dorado. This is my favorite John Wayne movie and I always wondered, even as a kid, if that gun would really have that much of a recoil and impact. Then again, I've never heard a shotgun that sounded like cannon going off.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Maybe if it was an 8 gauge! Naw, probably not.

[@danliberty734]

I’m loving my black powder firearms. Take forever to load, but great fun to shoot.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes!

[@Courier-Six]

Bout a year ago i shot my first Hawken .50. It was a Thompson Center and i was coaxed into it since I had previously shot a .45 Kentucky rifle and didn't care for how akward it felt in my hand, though the recoil was managable. The charge was 150 Gr equivelant by volume of Pyrodex RS. I was intimidated but pulled the trigger and surprised that it kicked less than my 8MM Mauser or 30-06. Fell in love with Black Powder from that day forth

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Fun rifle to shoot.

[@andrewbaggley276]

All thanks for exploring some of the reality disconnected from the fictions we so willingly embrace. Also, appreciations for showing some of the differences between black powder (aka gunpowder, pre-1890s) and smokeless powder - I've read that, in unventilated indoors, black powder smoke is similar in effect to tear gas. The lightheartedness is deeply appreciated, and agreed on that pesky Newton's Third Law - Santee's reaching escape velocity kind of made up for Hollywood's past crimes of omission.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks!

[@smudgepost]

Fun video Santee! I agree with the recoil. I like a heavier gun or longer barrel to reduce recoil. Also the 44-40 was a retail cartridge but the Army cartridge 45 LC was a thing, and was in public domain. Thanks for the info, always fun to watch and much to learn. Our next SASS match long range won't have a 54 cal rifle but I'll be shooting 45/120!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Woohooo!

[@dennisatkins9837]

Another good one Santee! Where you been Dan?

[@FoodForestPermaculture]

Great Video .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@larryrobinson6914]

Great and much needed episode. Good job!!!!!!!!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated!

[@Tammy-un3ql]

Great video. Keep ‘em coming.👍👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks, will do!

[@LLV1915]

Awesome informative video...Keep them coming.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You got it!

[@cleondubois1270]

Looks like the wind direction should have been a tactical consideration back then......Might want to get a patent and market those Santee blow-up dummies...... And finally, great to see D.D. back winning friends & influencing us fans of the channel.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He's always around...

[@rhondaz356]

The usual top quality, entertaining, informative video... 👏🤠👏

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@mikegrossberg8624]

Santee: Going back a little further in "shooting iron" time, I got introduced to recoil via a friend's loaner Brown Bess musket, loaded with 100 grains of 2f powder(no one told me that I was supposed to PRIME the durn thing with some of that powder, so it all went down the barrel!), and a .75 cal lead ball. Ten rounds, and my shoulder looked like a team of mules took turns kicking it!

[@mikegrossberg8624]

Which is why I decided to go with a .50 cal flint long rifle, with only 60 grains of 3F and a 490 ball with a .010 patch

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good choice

[@sumanghosh-pb3dw]

2:34 - in show 1883 there was no recoil when shootin guns. 3:24 - revolver cartridges shots were 650 ft/s. Originals were about 910 ft/s.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks for paying attention! 😉

[@phillipallen3259]

I have a vintage Trapdoor carbine 45-70 and shot it just yesterday. Love the thing but it gets a little bit much after a few rounds, I don't think a 50-90 or bigger would be much fun either. Thanks for sharing this for people who don't have the opportunity to shoot western guns.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@marksadler4104]

As you guys was shooting a .44-40 rifle, I thought you might have had a .44-40 revolver to compare recoil on both. BTW I was laughing my head off when Santee was sent flying,very good. Keep going!!!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks. I think Twygg may have had a .44 in his stash there.

[@arthurbrumagem3844]

When I was cowboy action shooting I had both a 44-40 rifle and pistol. I reloaded them to SASS specs. Miss those days. BTW the female shooters were deadly with their weapons 👍

[@Rags2Itches]

Wonderful to see these old firearms in such beautiful condition and to see them fired. Next time it would be great to find out the range on them. :)) Oh and if you have time do a google map of Darby, MT. Scroll the left side bar down to photos. Rex has some relatives there !!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I will!! Thank you!

[@indigowolf556]

Poor Santee, you went flying real high. Interesting video thanks for sharing

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks for watching!

[@chelseadanico877]

Awesome cool and very informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it. Great job and well. I learned a lot about the different rifles of the old west. I’ll be adding the weapons of the old west to by book today alongside the weapons of the Stone Age/ice age.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Good!

[@chelseadanico877]

@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks 👍🏼😎🌟 I’ll be writing those into my book tomorrow

[@dbmail545]

Shot cap and ball revolvers for a few years. My best was a Ruger New Model Army replica in .45. I used cut down maxi balls and compressed charges that blew almost all of the caps off, jamming the cylinder. Even that load had surprisingly poor terminal ballistics. Not even better than .38 special loaded with smokeless powder. Showed me exactly how so many of the folks at the OK Corral were hit multiple times but were able to keep shooting back.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Ballistics is definitely an interesting topic.

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Currently reading a book on Jesse James, the author made an interesting point and that is because black powder weapons are lower velocity, Jesse James survived being shot in the lung due (and I can't explain the technical jargon) to something about how the way lungs work being shot.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, still surprised he survived

[@daghettoghost5539]

God I love how accurate u guys are that’s one magnificent thing I appreciate about this Chanel love u guys and all that u do if I had the money I would try it myself me being a history buff seeing u guys doing this gives me hope for the rest of the youth of today I grew up watching westerners and watching this channel makes me feel like a kid in a candy store thanks guys

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.