192 - The Disappearance of Sandra Prince - Part 2

[@tracybrethouwer8752]

Love this guy's delivery of every podcast he does.

[@karenchamberlain3626]

Amen!

[@jmgajda8071]

Agreed!

[@skelter1153]

Then consider donating to his Patreon.

[@tiffanyclark-grove1989]

Me too.

[@pulaski1]

@1:02:02 If the car was abandoned or dumped elsewhere, and had been found it would have _immediately_ triggered police concern, whereas putting the car back in the gargae actually _did_ stall concern/ investigation for several days.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

I agree with that I really think that Pippin and the concrete are something I would like to know if it was checked further if they actually checked the slab or just underneath of it. The fact that there was blood in her trunk makes me feel that she was definitely taken somewhere and I was curious about the bodies of water around closest to that last ATM

[@karenchamberlain3626]

Really loved this 2 parter mystery story. Well written and well articulated. Really enjoyed this. Thank you!

[@rhondamcewananderson3968]

Your analysis at the end, is always brilliant! 🙂👍

[@pal1786]

I think it was Earl. Who else would be concerned about the photo of the two of them on her nightstand. Another person would have no need to take that photo out of the house. I could’ve been Earl and his son involved. So sad. I hope this gets solved.

[@CorinneCrow]

I think it’s crazy-the son is the only obvious suspect. Likely upset his father was cheating on his mother, he likely tried to get the free apartment. She didn’t oblige, and later wrote a letter. I’m curious if it’s a letter apology. Constant missteps were made that the father wouldn’t have made. That’s why you can’t find her-dad very likely helped him cover it up after the fact.

[@CorinneCrow]

He didn’t have a decent motive. Under 3 million wasn’t enough-they’re right. He had WAY more earning potential with her and would likely end up as co owner of more properties.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

I agree the son got into the argument over having to pay rent which probably definitely would have irritated him coming from his dad's mistress and his loyalty that he probably felt for his mom and the fact that the picture is missing oh, maybe the journal that could have contained some information about them, I'd be curious if they ask the gardener if anything about that had ever been mentioned in the communicating back and forth. I cannot believe they didn't question him I wondered where he was staying at the time. I'm also curious if they showed the witness any of the suspects pictures

[@calebkaltenbach1003]

I really enjoyed this 2-part series. When I was in the Tampa area earlier this year, I drove by her house. Hopefully, this case will be solved.

[@fabledfantasty7343]

That's creepy. What's the fascination, with driving passed some stranger's house, that was possibly murdered?

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

@@fabledfantasty7343 I read one time where the photo developers did a mini study and it turns out that the most photographed event is car crashes at race events by the way, human nature curiosity and sleuthing would always make somebody want to go drive-by that's been going on throughout history

[@theboldandthebeautiful3729]

These people are weird, the mom passes away w the lawyer by her side, the woman has a painting of herself and her gardner...such weird relationships.

[@tracieday8661]

I thought so too. Leaving hundreds of thousands to the detectives? Six thousand dollar painting of her and the gardner?...bizarre

[@theboldandthebeautiful3729]

@@tracieday8661 also, it would be suspicious that she left her fortune to her current lover, but in this case...a 6k portrait of you and your gardner make it right on point w who she seems to be.

[@tracieday8661]

@@theboldandthebeautiful3729 Yeah, I think this lady had some issues.

[@wintergarden7539]

I wonder how her mother was so wealthy.

[@Dani92670]

Based on the variety of all of those great, old black and white photos from Sandra's school/college days, I also got an impression of her being of a driven, competitive mindset. The photo at 5:49, here in part 2, she is standing in the row with the 3 fellows, the onlye girl - a science club or something? Maybe I'm just too ultra conservative - if this photo is from late 50s to mid 60s, it would definitely have her ahead of the whole female movement - you know, "anything boys can do, girls can do better". I can imagine the typical man would be intimidated by a woman like her. 2 failed marriages isn't a big deal or uncommon, but it speaks volumes to me that she would carry on with a married man for 5 years - right up until the time of her death, so it can be assumed the affair would have still gone on if she didn't get murdered. Why would she settle for this?

[@ilznidiotic]

For someone "unconnected" to the case, this Dan Watkins guy seemed awfully certain she wasn't under that house.

[@waypay1]

Her gardener is a married Christian, but their journalings were flirtatious and she has a $6000 painting of them together? Get outta here.

[@jacqui7672]

I think the gardener appeared to take quite a lot of liberties with access to the house. Although Prince was private she gave at least 2 people a key to her home!

[@IDance4joy2]

Would the journal the gardener used to communicate with Sandra only involve the two of them? Who has a reason to ensure the journal isn’t investigated? The gardener. Also doesn’t the gardener identify as a devout Christian? This could be a connection to the white bible left placed on her bed, especially odd, knowing they took time trying to clean up blood evidence in that room. If the gardener had become a love interest (makes sense if he’s in the commissioned painting & getting a key to the house, not just garage access) could he have been overlooked as a person of interest? Can a cold case review forensically download Sandra’s cell phone content?

[@marklittler784]

Could be a white herring.

[@wingolamo]

The whole thing reads like an episode of Murder She Wrote, or a game of Clue! "Colonel Mustard did it in the library with a candlestick!"

[@kathysilverstein5018]

I had the same thoughts about the Gardener.

[@intheknow7222]

The "gardener" is a good guy and had nothing to do with Sandra's disappearance. He has a regular job, a house nearby and does handyman stuff, pool cleaning etc., in the area as a side gig. It was Earl.

[@HighLordBlazeReborn]

@@intheknow7222 I found Jarrett.

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

Poor Sandra, someone close to her took advantage, you can’t trust anyone when money is involved.

[@Evan-vy3zj]

Love new uploads by this men, keep them coming!

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

@46:29 so if he wrote in the journal when did the journal come up missing! I'm also curious if there's phone records you would think he would call back to make sure she got her Christmas present that he hid in the bushes why do you hide something in the bushes that was weird, just like bringing up the plant falling over in the back of your truck bed making a mess what did you have to rinse it out. Did he ever get to see the vase that was found at the other house was he ever asked about it, is it the same one that the pens used to go in under the journal.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

Also while you think you see Pippin around a couple of times but you're not sure! Yeah I know that's weird, and I wonder if the note was supposedly written out of this journal that was supposedly missing, probably with one of the pens in the vase

[@Tramseskumbanan]

Thank you for a very interesting program, Steven! The only thing I personally find a bit annoying is the background music (apart from the intro and the final music) that is a little disturbing when it gets a bit harder to hear what you’re saying. Thank you.

[@cranke99]

I get the impression it was someone that noticed her outside gardening either doing work in the front or in the backyard. If it's a random attack or someone she knew the struggle most likely happened in the garage. The maximum you can withdraw at any time at an ATM is $400 so that explains the $800 total withdrawn from her 2 bank accounts. It's possible he said he'd let her go after she gave him the pin to her debit cards but maybe he lied? She was probably in the trunk still alive when he was at the 2 banks withdrawing money. Seems like someone was casing that neighborhood. Even though Pippin seems likely there's just not enough or that one piece to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt his guilt. There weren't surveillance cameras back then and it's possible the car was brought back late at night? Seems like someone wanted some money maybe hoping he could get more but didn't. Maybe he knew as soon as she was reported missing either any activity on her cards wouldn't go through or would make the person using her cards after she was reported missing obviously the one who kidnapped her so he used them twice and discarded all the evidence? Needed some quick drug money? What line of work was she in?

[@Rajahriver]

Is that music in the back ground ?

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

@26:20 I'd like to know more about Patrick Pippin and the confrontation about having to pay rent on her property, did he call his dad is that why he was over in the area to go to her house to check on her. I think it's because the money was taken out of the ATM and considering that this was a confrontation about paying rent it wasn't just a possible murderer because of relationship gone bad doesn't mean you're going to go to the ATM and steal! But if money is your issue and you're resentful of your father's mistress!

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

So what was Mr Pippin having to take his son like he was a child to the doctor did he have injuries that he sustained possibly? I could see him covering for him or being called repeatedly around the 28th? Also when mr. Pippin said that about he looks like me, yeah maybe he looks like your son who would probably look like you as well. I would be curious if Junior was familiar with the construction sites or if either of them were into skiing because you're not going to find ski masks in Florida too easily in my opinion. I would hope they showed Juniors picture to the witness

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

@32:27 there was a vase of pens under the Journal I wonder if that's the one that showed up at that other house! Also found it odd that you would go on about the bromeliad spilling and making a big mess, and that just seems like an unusually early hour to call somebody just to tell them you're getting them a Christmas present. And who else is going to bring a flower from her house and leave it over at the other home oh, that's a very sentimental thing to do, especially to get flowers from the garden oh, it's not like you bought them and stuck them in a vase you found. And how do you believe you're on your way to Home Depot in Tampa Palms to buy a Christmas present that you're going out of your way to call and tell her you're buying her a present but yet you don't remember where you were headed to go do that. I'm also curious to if he's such a staunch Christian and he stated that he would have been very disapproving of her in a relationship with a married man how disapproving just curious. And the talk of abortion that could also be a trigger for some fundamentalist typical misogynistic people. Kind of odd you need to talk it over being in the painting with his wife as well as his Mother!?? So the picture being removed would make me think that it's definitely a personal connection and whether it was Jr aggravated over the affair oh, maybe he didn't know about it before he saw the picture who knows. I wonder if he was ever asked.

[@aazappa]

I think the kid did it, which is why it was done with a brashness that generally gets beaten out of you by "independence". Ends up needing daddy's help, to cover his tracks, and calls for a pickup from the house his father's mistress resides at. I think Dad gave the son reason to believe, that he was so good in bed, this lady would do anything for him. Kid probably thought the picture, and journals were involving his dad, so he was clearing his family from the scene.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

That's what I had wondered if there had been any comments about Pippin or Junior in that journal. I had even wondered if maybe he might not have been aware of the affair but yeah I definitely think there's something up with that! Did it ever say where Patrick lived

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

I'm curious if they interviewed mrs. Pippin after the divorce and ask her who signed Sandra's latest will and when was it done? How come there was three people in those particular 3 going over to search the house and I'd wondered if they possibly showed any of their suspects to the person who had witnessed the transaction at the ATM. I'm also curious if you were to draw a map line from the home to the two ATMs directionally and then to one of the suspects houses. I'd also like to hear the 911 call of the report of her body being found and what was their stated reasons for being together, I would think it's kind of an odd crew

[@douglaz74]

It sounds to me that Sandra was to trusting to many people. She was protected all her life leading to her to failed expectations regarding people. The first marriage then the second marriage no kids. While not having kids does not suggest anything wrong. I just think Sandra did not understand that some pray on trusting people

[@intheknow7222]

Funny how everyone has all these nutty theories based on a podcast. I know most of the people mentioned in the podcast. I'll spare you the trouble. Earl did it.

[@eustab.anas-mann9510]

The Earl and the Prince

[@marklittler784]

Wonder if it was pipin's son it's usually young people and addicts that need cash.

[@jasonhanks8258]

I hate when people say the dead are not at peace and need a case solved so they can be at peace...hmmmm....I think they find peace once gone because why the hell should they care after?

[@HighLordBlazeReborn]

Jarrett is so so weird in all this...

[@aazappa]

Imagine if all cases had this level of resources, I'd bet they'd close more than half of the murders then.

[@Tsumami__]

The gardener is by far the most suspicious. I doubt the painting was that much of a trigger, but the risk of the wife finding out about the affair coupled with jealousy could certainly push someone to murder. Being “a grown man” only makes it more likely, lol. Just because he passed a polygraph test means nothing, that’s why they aren’t used in court, they’re borderline worthless. I don’t think she’s buried in the backyard of the Vasconia property, though. As inept as Tampa PD is, Temple Terrace PD being an even smaller branch of that, I doubt they wouldn’t have found her after multiple deep digs there. Either she was moved before the digs or she was never buried.

[@loredanadincu7930]

He Did work in her garden those days she was supposedly missing. I would be curios to know what work. She may be in her own garden after all. The garden of the house she lived in ,not the lake house. I don't recall the cops digging in that yard.

[@marklittler784]

What better place to bury her than where the Police have just been digging lol

[@whitedragoness23]

@@loredanadincu7930now I’m wondering because if she’s missing. Then you would think she would be disposed of away from home. Police did search property grounds from rentals and not her own garden. Also I would think a gardener would be used to heavy duty labor and able to die quite a deep hole

[@intheknow7222]

Earl did it. Everyone close to the case, including the cops, know that he did it.

[@fabergeegg1722]

She was head of a rehabilitation program? I wonder if it was someone who was a drug addict who she might have been trying to help out? Maybe he murdered her wanting money? The money extracted from the ATM was not a large amount, right? So why would her boyfriend who seems well to do go out of his way to withdraw money? If it was the boyfriend's son, he was mad at her for not allowing him to stay at one of her homes. So, if he committed murder, why killed her and go to the Atm to withdraw money? He would just kill her because he was pissed off with her right? It seems like she was robbed by someone she might have been familiar with who wanted to steal money, and the person knew Sandra was well to do and lived alone.

[@am2023]

Certainly the drug angle and the mystery around it might be useful specifically the withdrawal of only 800 bucks might indicate a quick cash fix

[@inkompetenzkompensationsko4188]

I mean it would fit with the money but i think it's too organised for a addict in desperate need of cash/ a fix. Wouldn't they use the card as often as possible? And her body never being found, the car being placed back at her house... How would someone who didn't belong in the neighborhood explained themselfes if met by a neighbour? How would they even get into the house and clean up without knowing where everything was/ belonged? I think it was someone who was organised enough to clean up the house, take her car, take some cash, and take back the car so nobody is wondering where she went while being so familiar with the neighborhood that they wouldn't even be noticed. Let's say, her gardnener or boyfriend as they were at her place regularly. So yeah, poorly attempt to make a emotionally motivated murder look like a robbery.

[@moonchildluvsbobcrane]

I think Patrick did it after she said no to free rent so he got rid of her and his dad doesn't want him to go to prison.

[@carlwheezer1030]

Music a little loud on the mix lol

[@moonchildluvsbobcrane]

🕯Sandra

[@thebewitchinghour831]

This is the second time I’ve listened to her case because it’s intriguing. Someone please correct me if I missed this detail……is there any mention of the eye witness looking at pictures of any of the men in her life and recognizing one of them as the man he or she saw before the ski mask was on? Also, I noticed something that always stands out to me on men, their forearms. The forearms of the person in the car look very similar to Pippins in the picture of him carrying the garden tools in the video. I don’t know why but men have very distinct forearms to me and the way his neck is hunched in the picture also similar to the photo of how the guy is sitting in the car.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

That is the weirdest looking ski-mask I've ever seen. I know the photo quality is poor, but it also looks like he's figgiting with it.

[@carolynross1248]

Sounds like the police need to give a couple of these men involved in her life the three day abuse interrogations they give poor people.

[@carolynross1248]

@@PaulRudd1941 kinda missed my point although I admire your high brow approach I was going in another direction. They are not dealing with war trained people.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

I wonder if they ever check for fingerprints or DNA on the battery that was supposedly Disconnected by Earl! And what would make that model of car have an alarm going off something had to hit it

[@PeppermintPJ90025]

Did Pippin ever try to cash in on the Will?

[@christyshane1081]

Thank you Steven!

[@theboldandthebeautiful3729]

Wow I didn't know police stake out homes for all missing people. Oh wait they don't 🤔

[@tracieday8661]

Wealthy people

[@ilznidiotic]

PD of a small wealthy suburb (being in FL doesn't hurt). They legitimately have nothing better to do.

[@Mr-gg8ek]

@@tracieday8661 Wealthy white people. Because you may get a $600,000 kickback in return.

[@nicola4894]

Hmm..I'm inclined to think it's jarred..he took the journal's to downplay they're ''flirtation and the photo out of either jealousy or to further incriminate pippin. A lot of information seems to have come from him to police, the note on the windshield,pointing out he is in the painting,says he visited and entered the house several times..covering his tracks if he had left any evidence him being there he has explained it away already. I think the police are a little blinkered with pippin.

[@gregorygermann5975]

Ski mask and the gardener have a very similar build.

[@marklittler784]

Maybe things were taken by different people from her house at different times for different reasons.

[@HappyO6165]

And the killing over jealousy angle by a grown man with no priors over a painting is a FAR reaching stretch by the police, that in the end does not hold water.

[@Tsumami__]

Holds plenty of water if you’ve ever been in a relationship.

[@HappyO6165]

@@Tsumami__ ya riiiight. A grown man with no history of violence all a sudden gets mad at his "side" chick for a painting enough to kill her. Go to the atm masked and take money out of her account.... logic dictates it doesn't make any sense.

[@loredanadincu7930]

@@HappyO6165 more like it was the gardener the one that did it ,because Sandra may have threaten him to tell his wife about their relationship. I doubt that relationship only resumed at gardening and innocent messages written into a bunch of journals. It's a reason those journals got missing and Pippin vad nothing to do with that. It would make no sense for him to take those journals. The gardener vad access to the house and garden he was there in the days of her dissapearance.

[@howdareyouexist]

@@Tsumami__ no, it doesnt

[@redmouse1967]

Curious about the loan she stopped paying. Did someone take it out using her identity and she found out about it and was murdered. Or maybe she took it out and someone else was supposed to pay it, like her partner. When she confronted them about not paying it, the killed her.

[@sheilahardison7673]

Love the podcasts but I stop listening when it gets repetitive, which is often. The first half tells the story generally.

[@lauradrinkwine7673]

Inhave to disagree. When I get bored, Intend to switch off, but this one kept me listening INCLUDING when i saw that the main story was over and there was still time left. I enjoyed hearing the narrator’s thoughts. I don’t always, but this one was interesting. Thank you!

[@velmamrtn]

SO SAD

[@jeynjohnstone5917]

He'll get caught eventually.

[@gregorygermann5975]

The gardener and pippin could've been in cahoots.

[@HappyO6165]

I find it difficult to believe that a man who is going to get millions of dollars in life insurance would Risk it all and his freedom going to atms for just hundreds of dollars..... alot of focus on one person of interest and needs more investigation into other avenues. Just seems like their beating a dead horse for the fact they have no other people to look into. 😕

[@marklittler784]

Yeah but also having to wait for the money 5yrs with no body defeats the object of killing for inheritance.

[@marklittler784]

Sounds like someone young or an addict that would be in need of cash.

[@marklittler784]

Might not have known about a will.

[@marklittler784]

Maybe pipin covering for son by not wanting to be further interviewed.

[@loredanadincu7930]

Is the damn gardener

[@jeanarey5328]

I hate these unsolved cases. We live in 20/22 people. There’s such a thing as genetics! What about fingerprints in the car? What about DNA in the car? Also tell people what’s going on in your life. I agree about the will. She loved the company she founded and relatives she was close to s it’s interesting that if she left all her money to Pippin if she did. As far as the car and ATM, I think it’s a red herring made to look like someone did it for money.

[@11sfr]

well, her DNA and fingerprints would be all over the car, and you would expect her boyfriend's to be as well, if he ever rode in the car with her or drove it with her permission, and anyone who did work around her property (eg, a gardener) could have his on it too, if he'd conceivably be in/out of the garage to access equipment. and if it had been wiped down thoroughly after being parked, might not be a whole lot left in the interior, with all those hard, smooth plastics GM liked to use back then

[@marklittler784]

The mind boggles

[@kareno8634]

What do the guys Look like in this story, those Sandra *Knew, Hired, Housed,* Knew people she knew? Police OWE Sandra's Mom to Look a LOT Harder using this Large Evidence shown in mystery 'man', 52:54 \ 53:05. ...

[@marklittler784]

Looks like Police have a lot but not quite enough.

[@pulaski1]

I suspect that the police have "enough" but not overwhelming evidence, and are afraid of double jeopardy attaching if they get one or two skeptics on the jury. ..... This seems to be a relatively common phenomenon for unprosecuted cases where there is a _likely_ suspect, especially with major crimes like homicide with no statute of limitations, where there is no significant downside for prosecutors waiting to see if more evidence turns up - such as the body in "missing body" cases. ... See the Barry Morphew case where the prosecutors bailed on prosecuting the case in court at the _last possible moment_ before jeopardy would have attached, and of course Susan Morphew's body is still missing.

[@loredanadincu7930]

They are after the wrong guy

[@marklittler784]

Get a in house dog cam folks so a close relative or friend can keep their eye on you online.

[@hippo50410]

Why the music in the background???? Your podcasts are far better without background music. You don't even pick the right music, you always pick distracting tunes. Thumb down unfortunately...

[@marklittler784]

I think blood in the bedroom implies she knew the person why be upstairs with someone unless they broke in while your sleeping, nobody is going to move a body upstairs surely. Could be neighbour that knew her movements and she was alone another reason to bring car back, anyone that could explain their DNA in her car wouldn't worry about bringing it back.

[@loredanadincu7930]

Is the gardener not the neighbour.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

And why the heck would such a smart woman give her estate to Pippin in her will it just seems like a stretch, you would think she would leave it to her organization or something along those lines especially if she's not married to him I'm sure after five years she knew he was married

[@katie9575]

Maybe the cops need to get in touch with one of the psychic investigators that investigate crimes to give them leads

[@oystersoup3434]

That'd be a waste. Psychic investigators have shown time and time again to be unreliable frauds.

[@sheilad6237]

Ex wife still not talking, why 🤔

[@Turtle2880]

what if the way earl talked to his son about Sandra made the son believe there was more going on more give more stretch to her like you get from loved ones that when she said no the son had a temper tantrum cause in his mind he thought their relationship was more endearing than it was that when she said no he snapped killed her and his dad is covering for him the picture, the journals what if earl is telling his son Patrick that this woman was the greatest woman alive then sees the journals and thinks look what she is doing to my dad making him look like a fool when its nothing more than a partnership how old was patrick in 2005/06?

[@skelter1153]

I feel sorry for the new people here because Trace Evidence USED to be awesome back when it first started. It seems like Pacheco just picks the boringest cases he can find now, and PHONES them in. I have to listen at 1.5x speed now just to keep from falling asleep. Compare this "episode" to ANY one of his earlier vids, you'll see what I mean. Compare this case to the Candace Hiltz case, or Tiffany Daniels, or Bryce Laspisa, it's like a completely different show, it's like day and night. Brandon Lawson has actually been found, (His remains were found in January) and there's no follow up here. I still listen to the original cases, HOPING he picks it back up. I know he's a talented and caring dude, maybe he's just burned out. This is just one listener's opinion, anyway, and I'm entitled to it, just like you're entitled to disagree.

[@mouthygirl95820]

Ladies, BEWARE of married men! They are not honest people. They have wives but are not husbands so they will NEVER be right and fair to you! Clearly one of the married men she was messing with took her out! As much money she had she could have gotten a sugar baby and had a nice life and called it a day! BEWARE!!!

[@almostadorno]

however

[@Mr-gg8ek]

In another case of “true crime story intro makes the victim look like a saint”, what about her having a relationship with a 20+ year married man? If typical, this guy has kids around 5-15 years old. Home wrecker? Obviously she is a victim, but while she may have helped some she was toxic to others.

[@fabledfantasty7343]

Mr. 88.... Victim blaming....smh.

[@inkompetenzkompensationsko4188]

One might argue they were 2 adults making decisions that may or may not align with *your* values.

[@fourofcats5803]

Let he who is sinless, cast the first stone. Sandra did a lot of good in the world and she was flawed. Both things can be true. The good is not erased by an affair, in my opinion.

[@Mr-gg8ek]

@@fourofcats5803 Nor was I suggesting the an affair undid her good deeds. My point is in true crime the victims are usually canonized rather than being presented as real people. That is neither accurate nor productive. It also greatly takes away when there is a victim that is truly a step above because it reduces that person to another grain of sand on the shore.

[@Mr-gg8ek]

@@inkompetenzkompensationsko4188 One could argue any number of things, like smoking in a car with a newborn in a car seat is “your right”, but when those two adults are making selfish decisions that absolutely have to result in children eventually losing one parent to some degree, I feel comfortable saying that is indefensibly wrong. I did not say it in any way mitigated her disappearance just that it was an exceedingly selfish choice and while she did some good, probably more good than most people, she was also willing hurt very innocent children. Not okay.

[@AmericanAussie1776]

I feel like Jarrod is responsible. He was in and out of the house continuously and he has a key. I think Jarrod is responsible and tried to frame Pippin.

[@loredanadincu7930]

Finally someone

[@rickspigot2205]

IMO Son probably transfered her body to anothermoterised vehicle or the like to a property of sons interest. Possibility near that area in water and wooded wildlife area. Clothes probability stripped trashed. Dad was upset and lost temper and son will cash in either way. The dad was nervous and worried of getting caught so he just reacted and drove here there and everywhere. He did mention his son and a doctor. Son was on his mind. ATM was just a game. Bible, looking for something4. Possibly Patrick was going to tell his mom. His dad went to help convince her and his anger and worry about another man. Putting that in her face. I wander if the son came over to help his dad convince her to allo× rental. Possibility avoided if the letter was received or his dad caught. That is if the timing was in line as I already forgot. People should search.

[@Somegirl811]

He shouldn't have pied about his affair with Sandra. His wife had already divorced him, so why lie?

[@cherrycoke6253]

Its far too elaborate, for pippin to make sandra disappear and do the atm thing. Surely he must have known, that he would be one of the first suspects, and any plans to just deny everything would be futile. Not unless pippin is an idiot.

[@loredanadincu7930]

He was framed , by the gardener. Conveniently the journal with the messages between him and Sandra dissapeard, and he was there during those days supposedly doing gardening work.

[@russeldevries1642]

I could have gave pippin alot of rope for doubt untill his picture at the bedside and her journals went missing at the time of death . He gambled Noone would find out about his secret relationship. There Is Noone on earth that would be sure to get journals except for someone who was seeing her in a relationship. And then the bedside photo goes at the same time ... and then what do you know ...same guy is sole recipient of 3 million ....ha ha ha ....please. .. o yea ... and then denies he knew of the will . Is there anyone alive who would make your married boyfriend the beneficiary of 3 million bucks and NOT tell him ?? Come on . If he wouldn't have swiped all evidence of himself and then lies about his relationship and then denied he knew of a will we all know he knew about. . Please !! my guess is he killed her in anger . Probably didn't plan it . And went to work over a few days period to make his cleanup and plan and escape. But be damn sure pippin did it . If he would have left the journals and photos and didn't lie about things one wouldn't lie about unless you had something to hide.... Noone would have suspected him. Pippin overplayed his hand. He probably killed her in anger for messing with his son . Then spent days hiding her and cleaning up and brought the car back. That's another thing ... lol .. who the hell takes and hides a murder victim and then brings the damn car back ...except for a boyfriend who is biding time after his clean up .

[@loredanadincu7930]

More like the gardener planted evidence to frame Pippin.

[@russeldevries1642]

@@loredanadincu7930 that would have flown if he hadn't lied about knowing her and about the will...

[@taticatnineland]

😂 I was trying to remember who Noone was in this soap opera. You mean ‘no one’; Noone is a surname. I think the journals could have been taken for one of a few reasons: 1) because they contained at least one mention, maybe repeated mentions of something sensitive; obviously no references to the romantic relationship with Pippin III, but perhaps a mention of strife with Young Pippin, like Prince telling the gardener that she was going to need assistance at whatever address Young Pippin was living at because she’ll be evicting him, or something else that spoke to a deeper entanglement with one or both of the Pippins, like saying that she wanted to find another co-owner to replace Pippin III, she met a nice man just a few days ago, etc... 2) The journals could have been taken to cover up for something else being taken or left. What if the journals aren’t the only thing missing, there’s also a ledger detailing investments, or a personal journal missing from her home office, bedside, etc.; for example (just an example; definitely NOT saying this is what happened), what if Pippin III or the gardener sent someone to do a little dirty work, and instructed them to, among other things, remove any form of personal journals they encountered in a quick combing through of the house? Maybe the person taking the journals didn’t know how many there were or what they contained, they just wanted to eliminate anything personally written, and planned to leave the white bible in its place? Again, not saying that this is definitely what happened, I’m just kind of thinking aloud. I had a few more possibilities, but I’ve forgotten them for the moment.

[@russeldevries1642]

@@taticatnineland Ha ha ... you sound like an attorney desperately clinging to hope for an exonoration.

[@lauradrinkwine7673]

@@loredanadincu7930 could t he have gone to the ATM to make it look like a stranger? To try to throw off?

[@sheilad6237]

The son could have been blackmailing her if he found out about the affair? point of a picture frame to the head? Upstairs by gun point if people were knocking? White Bible who did she say was to religious, the gardener?, maybe he knew something? Maybe he was spiritually consoling her bc she was ending the affair if the son suspected? Maybe he was falling for her despite his own beliefs? Car back in the garage… seeking to change the time frame to establish alibi? If the person ever cared for her, did they check in her own garden she treasured? This case is beyond strange! So many questions no real answers, I want to see that letter! As for someone her charity helped, they would have taken the money and kept going it was someone who knew her well. Very sad 😢

[@wingolamo]

Same! What happened with the letter?

[@georgecosta3037]

Whoa am I the second comment lol.

[@kerryharding6463]

Yes….excellent!

[@jeanarey5328]

It was Pippin!

[@loredanadincu7930]

No, I am here to bet it was the gardener and he framed Pippin

[@sheilad6237]

Be alone, the Bible on bed, suicide is considered a sin, what if someone that loved her very much didn’t want her found that way… removed every sinful thing? Or to protect the charity? Then to make it appear like a robbery did bizarre things? So many rabbit holes, until body is found I fear no answer.

[@loredanadincu7930]

Ummm the gardener was religious. He was also had access to the house all the time. More like he killed her because they had an affair and she was threathening to tell his wife or because je was jelous on the other guy.

[@whitedragoness23]

The charity would still exist with out her. She was discovered to be having an affair with a married man and that didn’t hurt the charity.

[@sonnybiggs8680]

Whoa am i the first comment lol

[@kerryharding6463]

As far as I can tell, yes your comment is first, I watch & comment heaps but are yet to be first to do it, good on you!

[@marklittler784]

Guinness book of first commentators is on the phone..

[@hegemonycricket2182]

Whoa I am the third comment lol

[@loredanadincu7930]

How old are you ,really?

[@hegemonycricket2182]

@@loredanadincu7930 I bet you are a blast to hang out with.

[@loredanadincu7930]

@@hegemonycricket2182 I bet you 15 max and live at your mommy's house. Grow up. I am first wow what an acomplishment.

[@jerrymarbury9365]

The jimmy Hoffa effect,everyone isn't buried under a slab of concrete,it would be stupid in this case especially.

[@mainemermaid6596]

ATMs only allow a certain amount, per day. I think it was done to make it look like a random person did the crime. May she rest in peace..

[@jacqui7672]

Good point, yet he used her car to get it, then put it back. I think a thief would have taken the vehicle as well.