1934: What if the United States became fascist?

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zvallid

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@LakeCounty07
@LakeCounty07 6 ай бұрын
I like how all of these alternate history videos are styled like a documentary, as if it's a real piece of history. And I absolutely love that. Underrated channel.
@ls-420stoner6
@ls-420stoner6 6 ай бұрын
Agreed, he's criminally underrated. He gives us Alt History and now sci-fi. The man's truly a gem.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
thank you! I appreciate your comment
@Franklin_D_Roosevelt_45
@Franklin_D_Roosevelt_45 6 ай бұрын
​@@zvallid why did I feel that this is based on a HOI4 mod ?
@ls-420stoner6
@ls-420stoner6 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid we appreciate you as well.
@commenter648
@commenter648 6 ай бұрын
@@ls-420stoner6 the alien war one was cool
@zaijiancelis
@zaijiancelis 6 ай бұрын
When you turn off historical in HOI4:
@bradeylemme-nj1zu
@bradeylemme-nj1zu 6 ай бұрын
@zaijiancelis it is so true!
@U_Jelly
@U_Jelly 6 ай бұрын
when you turn off the zionism setting
@GLK-pz6ko
@GLK-pz6ko 6 ай бұрын
Fr💀
@1mol831
@1mol831 6 ай бұрын
Mac Arthur usually shows up
@gregoryturk1275
@gregoryturk1275 6 ай бұрын
Reinstate the gold standard
@LoneWolfsLair
@LoneWolfsLair 6 ай бұрын
“There will be no Pearl Harbor, the US that began rearmament in 1934 is scary.” Absolute Understatement. I have been saying for years a fascist America would make Germany look tiny in terms of military capability. We would be a nightmare.
@Dinoface96
@Dinoface96 4 ай бұрын
Basically having mongol sheer amount of population and mobility, and Roman empire technological and military might combined into one.
@handlessuck777
@handlessuck777 3 ай бұрын
​@@Dinoface96Ngl, you're making it sound badass.
@MynameisDeez7758
@MynameisDeez7758 6 ай бұрын
USA: *invades mexico* Canada: *sweats profusely*
@GreAtWhiteShark303
@GreAtWhiteShark303 6 ай бұрын
"our dedicated boys keep the peace in newly annexed canada"
@Fredert2
@Fredert2 6 ай бұрын
If America were to invade Canada as well in this timeline, I’d expect a letter to be sent to Quebec asking them to begin an uprising and join the USA in their invasion
@loafoffloof3420
@loafoffloof3420 5 ай бұрын
fallout 4 in 1930s HOI4 Historical (modded):
@Ejb905
@Ejb905 4 ай бұрын
Fuck that. Canada would fight to the death if Americans were to annex or attack.. Canadians fought from the start in both world wars while Americans stayed out Wouldn't say we'd win but we'd fucking die trying
@Ejb905
@Ejb905 4 ай бұрын
​@Fredert2 Quebec would stand with Canada. There was a small but noisy group that affiliated with neo nazis Quebec was offered to keep their language and culture and laws when Canada was formed. And yes, there were plenty of English speakers in Quebec, huge amounts in Montreal and smaller enclaves in all parts of the province. Quebec would have no such linguistic and cultural guarantees if they joined to fight with the USA in this scenario or in a real time line.
@ivanserov1846
@ivanserov1846 6 ай бұрын
Now waiting for 1934: What if USA turn communist featuring Smedley Butler and Apple Pie Communist Browder
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
Good idea
@ivanserov1846
@ivanserov1846 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid Waiting for George W Christians as the leaders of Southern Communists
@SDM_Arcugos
@SDM_Arcugos 6 ай бұрын
​@zvallid remove Teddy Roosevelt and have the oligarchs stay in power in the USA for some decades until they collapse into civil war like what happened in Russia. ww2 would be Germany-Japan-Britain vs USA-USSR
@alfredoaquino7488
@alfredoaquino7488 6 ай бұрын
​@@zvallidGrandioso trabajo tienes talento amigo.
@FodaseNaoLigo
@FodaseNaoLigo 6 ай бұрын
@@SDM_Arcugos nah
@JamesBath-rk8dk
@JamesBath-rk8dk 6 ай бұрын
another great work from the best alternate history KZbinr (I really hope you don't get taken down)
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
Indeed this video is really close to KZbin's limit
@JamesBath-rk8dk
@JamesBath-rk8dk 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallidKZbin's limit is next to nothing they will take you down for no reason
@thatoneyoutuber8034
@thatoneyoutuber8034 6 ай бұрын
The king has returned with another banger 🔥
@johnroscoe2406
@johnroscoe2406 5 ай бұрын
The King of Kringe Kontent? Yes.
@eddieschwab864
@eddieschwab864 6 ай бұрын
Keep in mind the P-51 Mustang in original timeline was powered by the Rolls-Royce Merlin. If they're using the same engine as the BF 109 it is in fact in our modern nomenclature a BMW engine Because the actual manufacturer of the 109 is Bayerisch-Fleugzeug-Werke what is the aviation division of what we know today as BMW. Based on the architecture it's not a surprise although I would expect some other aircraft to be powered by lightened aluminum versions of Maybach engines...
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
interesting
@someguythatlookslikeme8306
@someguythatlookslikeme8306 6 ай бұрын
Dude. Wow.
@LakeCounty07
@LakeCounty07 6 ай бұрын
Someone has way to much time on their hands.
@bigsmungo2204
@bigsmungo2204 6 ай бұрын
Awesome video zvallid, hope you continue uploading your stuff
@omshah8529
@omshah8529 5 ай бұрын
Next up:The world if Hitler got accepted into Art School and never got interested in politics.😮
@zvallid
@zvallid 5 ай бұрын
yes you guess right it's one of the projects
@depeeper218
@depeeper218 4 ай бұрын
​@@zvallidWonder if WW2 would the soviets and japanese versus Western Europe and the USA
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky Ай бұрын
At his first showing, a reviewer in the paper said of his work, "I don't know what the artist got for this. But if you ask me, he should have got life. Oy vey." And it is once more on like Donkey Kong.
@joshualai9019
@joshualai9019 6 ай бұрын
What an awesome scenario! Thank you for posting all these wonderful alternate history vids that make my day!
@georgestauber2636
@georgestauber2636 5 ай бұрын
This is my favorite alternate history channel bar none.
@Timur-b2p8j
@Timur-b2p8j 6 ай бұрын
zvallid uploaded my day is awesome now
@blauwbeer556
@blauwbeer556 6 ай бұрын
I love this new direction your going in where you focus more on domestic and economic changes instead of just more military movements on maps, not that i have a problem with those but i can imagine that it's getting hard to not repeat yourself when it comes to the military. But i kinda expected this to take place in the communist europe timeline, not in this reality. Knowing you though, you'd summerize this video in 2 minutes or so at the beggining to the threequel ;)
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
I think this timeline is easier to follow, having a start not too far from our timeline.
@ravenlord4
@ravenlord4 6 ай бұрын
Wonderful, as always! It's amazing how one little change in history can cause a cascade of events so different from our own timeline.
@ComentadorPolitico
@ComentadorPolitico 5 ай бұрын
The way the US became authoritarian in such an unclear way, maintaining its constitution and many of the institutions of democracy, is what makes this video very realistic. Also, the connection between bankers and big industries in support of this political maneuver seems American No fast regime change, no change in the flag, no new constitution, an illusion of continuity. It is a warning for our real World.
@marcleewinser8534
@marcleewinser8534 3 ай бұрын
...and You can see the first Warning Signs lighting up. 'Turn back! Danger! Don't go any further!' But no one seems to notice - no one obviously cares...
@valcanoman1829
@valcanoman1829 15 күн бұрын
You are correct about the US has a very massive industrial and economic powerhouse by combining with all sheer numbers alongside technological and military superiority in both pre war, post war and the modern world today just like the Roman Empire and the mongols combine.
@arrjay2410
@arrjay2410 4 ай бұрын
I am always fascinated by the various alternate histories on KZbin. In spite of the stumbles in English pronunciation, this one is the most detailed and comprehensive I have seen so far. It does come across as a Documentary, keying on an obscure event, the assassination of Roosevelt. The fact that the US Constitution is circumvented, rather than being overthrown by the fascistic forces makes it more believable, if not a little sad.
@mikefraser4513
@mikefraser4513 Ай бұрын
It's always small things which change the course of history. Imagine if Gavrilo Princip had missed the bus in Sarajevo the day he was supposed to assassinate Archduke Franz Ferdinand. With the potential avoidance of the Great War, the geopolitical landscape of Europe would have remained vastly different than we understand it today. The collapse of empires such as the Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman, Russian, and German would not have occurred in the same manner, altering the course of history for countless nations and peoples. The rise of communism in Russia, the Treaty of Versailles, and the subsequent economic turmoil that paved the way for the Second World War, all these pivotal events might have been drastically different or potentially avoided altogether. Beyond Europe, the survival of Franz Ferdinand could have had significant implications for the fate of the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East. Probably no MAGA. What if, what if ....always interesting
@daniil7543
@daniil7543 6 ай бұрын
I doubt that the USSR would collapse so easily even in this timeline. Even if the Wehrmacht receives help from the United States and German industrial facilities remains untouched. Well, the fact that the Soviets will just lay down their arms after the fall of Moscow and retreat beyond the Urals, stopping the fighting in Europe, is a pure fantasy. Also, I doubt that the USSR would not have transferred Siberian divisions to Moscow front, even taking into account the absence of a war between Japan and the United States. At the beginning of the video it is said that after clashes with the Red army at Khalkhin Gol, Japan abandoned its attack on Siberia. In our timeline, it was information from Soviet intelligence officers in Japan, who learned that the Japanese leadership was not planning a war against the USSR, that became the reason for the transfer of Siberian divisions. I see no objective reasons for this not to happen in this timeline. This means that the USSR’s position would have been more advantageous. The Sino-Japanese War also likely continued. Given that the US did not embargo the Japanese in this timeline (Although this statement is also quite controversial, because the Empire of Japan is still a competitor for America in the Asia-Pacific region and I don’t think that the established fascist regime will change this, if not aggravate it by introducing even tougher sanctions and much earlier, than in our timeline. Perhaps the situation from your other video will even be repeated, where the United States began to fight on the side of the Axis, and Japan de facto joined the Allies.), the Empire of Japan can now fight for much longer without fear of its resources being depleted. China is too huge and also supported by the US. Consequently, neither side will be interested in peace negotiations, believing that they can get more if they win.
@someguythatlookslikeme8306
@someguythatlookslikeme8306 6 ай бұрын
Without the great damage done to the Luftwaffa by British night fighters(using rudimentary radar, made by USA) during the Battle of Britain and the subsequent mass bombing of German Industries during the day(by USA, suffering huge losses) and the British(again, bombing at night and destroying industry after industry thru night raids) the Wehrmacht would have been able to resupply overland, and even if 6th army was surrounded by Russian forces the LW would have resupplied by air. And let's not forget Stalin's 3 days in seclusion after the initial massive losses to Third Reich forces that he was awaiting his own arrest, but it turned out they came to see if he was done being drunk and ready to lead.Without the USA's secret arming of Britain with the most amazing of rudimentary radar systems, sold thru Mexico to avoid the American ban on arming European nations, while even American planes had no radar , Britain would have lost the air war. This is not a well known part of history. Most radar were huge land based installations. Only England had this radar. We,USA, had it too after 1945 but the air force eventually went with a different system that was better using a design that's the basis of current radar technology. I know about this because it was my grandfather's company that built this radar system, and made him and his friends very rich in 1935, 1 year after he started shipping HIS radar system to Britain.
@daniil7543
@daniil7543 6 ай бұрын
@@someguythatlookslikeme8306 I do not argue that under the conditions shown in the video, the chances of the USSR ending the war by defeating the enemy in its capital, as in our timeline, are small (And most likely zero). But don't discount reality. On paper, everything can be very good, but when it comes to implementing plans, problems often begin. For example, a partisan movement that undermines supplies, logistical problems caused by long distances (After all, Russia is very huge). And, of course, the fact that you are fighting an opponent equal to you. Because it’s one thing when, for example, Great Britain defeated China in the Opium Wars, having technological superiority in everything. And it’s completely different when Germany, with all its planes, tanks and artillery, starts a war against the USSR, which also has this (Also, do not forget that Soviet industry was relocated beyond the Urals, which makes it impossible for the Luftwaffe to deal a crushing blow to factories. Consequently, the Soviets can also replenish their supplies). And it should not be ruled out that a hypothetical Soviet-German war could last for a decade, similar to the Second Sino-Japanese War, in which Japanese troops were also stuck in grueling battles.
@someguythatlookslikeme8306
@someguythatlookslikeme8306 6 ай бұрын
@@daniil7543 I most definitely agree with you on the partisan efforts. Not only did they cause a constant disruption to that humongous supply line, they were always taking up popular feelings due to the heavy handed responses brought about by the Germans(not unlike what we are seeing with the Israeli fight against Hamas, at this moment). The Germans were at the very suburbs of Moscow and Stalin not only did not retreat he continued with the May 5 celebration as if German artillery was not landing 10 miles away! But, if Moscow fell, I do not see the soviet's ever regaining momentum yet it's very difficult to picture a German victory. Maybe if they recruited former soldiers, not politicos, of the Red Army as a puppet occupation force could the USSR have been defeated permanently. I just don't see a German victory as being possible in our reality, without strong support from Japan. Which did not come. Even with the mobility of the Soviet Industry, until the end of the war many of the T-34's and the Illyushons were being produced in America. This I only learned recently. I figured we helped them with material, but I've since learned we shipped assemble on arrival versions of the T-34 that were being made in USA and shipped thru to Archangel. It was a huge ammt of goods. No. I can't see a lasting German victory, but without the Luftwaffes losses over Britain, there wouldn't have been the level of lend-lease we sent that could have arrived. Germany was too advanced in their industrial capacity.
@someguythatlookslikeme8306
@someguythatlookslikeme8306 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree that negotiation by either side would be impossible. Not because victory was so close but because so much had already been expended.
@Norg1
@Norg1 6 ай бұрын
Somewhere in this timeline if Italy is attacking North Africa middleast Greece they will be at war with britian and france and if there at war with Italy they are at war with Germany Japan will attack the phillipines and southeast Asia once they fail with the soviet union thus Japan will be at war with usa So we got britian France Japan soviet union Mexico all at war with usa and Germany
@gavindavis7514
@gavindavis7514 4 ай бұрын
Only the Japanese were interned in our timeline, purely because half the US population was German or Italian
@nowthatsjustducky
@nowthatsjustducky Ай бұрын
Of course, the Germans and Italians were not the ones who attacked us. Not that the internments were the right thing to do, mind you...
@brineo
@brineo Ай бұрын
germans and italians were interned but they were more recent immigrants
@billnotice9957
@billnotice9957 6 ай бұрын
The first 6 minutes sounds some much like America today. Especially the leadership qualities. This is very realistic
@Fafne
@Fafne 6 ай бұрын
FR
@C63Bez
@C63Bez 3 ай бұрын
@loganrhmain thing I think is there aren’t fascist governments today that the people would look at and want to idolize, which could have been inspiration back then as the video suggests
@asperg1996
@asperg1996 4 ай бұрын
I assume the Americans captured Trotsky invading Mexico vs our timeline Stalin’s assassin taking him out with a ice pic
@CptZephyr
@CptZephyr 6 ай бұрын
Sounds pretty based.
@steamlord6555
@steamlord6555 6 ай бұрын
I agree
@imperium1707
@imperium1707 6 ай бұрын
always a good day when zvallid posts
@Chava132
@Chava132 6 ай бұрын
Can you make what if Russia leave WW1 earlier?So in this scenario after abdicating tsar Nicholas on March 1917 Russian Provisional Government sign a peace treaty with Central powers.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
a ww1 scenario with russia allied with germany or nnot falling in a revolution is one of the projects
@Chava132
@Chava132 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallidNot Russia joining central powers but the Provisional Government sign a peace treaty with Russia&leave WW1
@Lokey7158
@Lokey7158 6 ай бұрын
Hi Zvallid great video👍
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
thank you!
@aaronbradford9172
@aaronbradford9172 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, lot of effort in the production ,well done sir.
@thegermanfool8953
@thegermanfool8953 6 ай бұрын
Yahoooo 🥳 loving these alternate scenarios! Definitely binge-watching them all again today after watching this one.
@TheZombieman87
@TheZombieman87 6 ай бұрын
I hope there will be a Part 2. If not, this was amazing either way, 8/10.
@AzothMusik
@AzothMusik 6 ай бұрын
Video about operation unthinkable would be great. channel is severely underrated!!!! great work!
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
i made it
@リミ-e1q
@リミ-e1q 6 ай бұрын
it's already made. allies vs soviets 1945
@pedro_megagames
@pedro_megagames 6 ай бұрын
I love finding pieces of gold like these in my recommended. Keep up the good work!
@Daniel13-jx4nk
@Daniel13-jx4nk 6 ай бұрын
What if Mosley took power?
@rangar6853
@rangar6853 6 ай бұрын
England wouldn't join war and be a better place then in our timeline
@Daniel13-jx4nk
@Daniel13-jx4nk 6 ай бұрын
@@rangar6853 sadly that's probably true, it's a shame that a fascist was the last person who could save the British empire and the white race as a whole
@rangar6853
@rangar6853 6 ай бұрын
@@Daniel13-jx4nk You can know truth yet you still will watch how your country turn into third world shithole because of some ww2 communistic-warmongers propaganda The Europe under Painter rule would be a better place a Heaven compared to current situation
@rangar6853
@rangar6853 6 ай бұрын
@@Daniel13-jx4nk At least you aren't beliving in anti White propaganda made in that period of time, ww2 was not winned by good guys Remember Black Sun or black son
@rangar6853
@rangar6853 6 ай бұрын
@@Daniel13-jx4nk The choice is yours Black Sun or black son
@ricardosenpai6121
@ricardosenpai6121 6 ай бұрын
Sounds good for us here in the Philippines, unless they actually fully implement Racial Policies in the Philippines, but based on their ideology, they will probably just make the mainland as white as possible, probably leaving us alone with Macarthur (in which already sounds great for us) and just have relaxed to non-existent Racial Policies.
@SiJullianToGuys
@SiJullianToGuys 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, we'll probably just be like a bigger Hawaii.
@jcomandante6629
@jcomandante6629 6 ай бұрын
We gonna be protestant in 70 years.
@rhyusbrand8311
@rhyusbrand8311 5 ай бұрын
Tbh, people would’ve abolished the Federal Government if they were _this_ outraged, going back to the States just like 1776.
@edgelover1578
@edgelover1578 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant and well though of. Awesome job, zvallid!
@thelaughinghyenas8465
@thelaughinghyenas8465 6 ай бұрын
At 5:41, you highlight Santa Barbara rather than San Francisco in California when you say San Francisco. As someone who lived in the area for years, it's a really obvious error.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
excuse me
@vojtaheczko5395
@vojtaheczko5395 6 ай бұрын
each video of yours is better in cinematics and scenario depth. Keep going
@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804
@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804 6 ай бұрын
10:56 not even talking about it is crazy 😭
@IDONTHAVEANYNAMES
@IDONTHAVEANYNAMES 6 ай бұрын
WE DEFEATED THE WRONG ENEMY ~Gen. Geoge s patton 1945
@alucard115
@alucard115 6 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work man. Been watching your videos for years. Definitely came a long way.
@thedappersquid9189
@thedappersquid9189 6 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this for so long
@NapoleonVIII
@NapoleonVIII 6 ай бұрын
I assume the following: Roosevelts successor is considered incompetent. So the people wanted a new election. A new party comes to power: "America First Commitee". The new president is Charles Lindbergh. The AFC says America should stay out of other countries and focus on itself. So we have a similar development than in the video, but a little more realistic. Lindbergh was a pilot, so he also came from the military.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
Lindbergh was too young in 1934
@NapoleonVIII
@NapoleonVIII 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid, oh. I know of the prominence of the AFC, so I assumed they would be likely to be in power. Maybe someone other then Lindbergh?
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
@@NapoleonVIII in this timeline i choose bush
@Eggboredyes
@Eggboredyes 6 ай бұрын
The amount if effort in these videos are truly impressive keep up the great work 👏👍
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@oliverstianhugaas7493
@oliverstianhugaas7493 6 ай бұрын
Always a pleasure to see a new video from this great academic.
@velociraptor3313
@velociraptor3313 6 ай бұрын
I've been looking forward to this.
@jobloluther
@jobloluther 6 ай бұрын
Yeah germany under the NSDAP was not socialist, they had made privatizations and had a liberal economy minister
@rabioliman2lol602
@rabioliman2lol602 5 ай бұрын
Have you read mein kampf?
@MikeJoe-jy5kp
@MikeJoe-jy5kp 5 ай бұрын
True
@IsraelFS
@IsraelFS 6 ай бұрын
Genial. Valio la espera por otro gran video de historia alternativa. Saludos.
@johnspencer772
@johnspencer772 4 ай бұрын
Excellent documentary. As a black person, i to believe that life here would have evolved into something more oppressive and perhaps more deadly.
@downbad_gamerz5136
@downbad_gamerz5136 Ай бұрын
Kind of weird that we were pretty close to this kind of stuff happening
@LT.KiraHertling1701
@LT.KiraHertling1701 6 ай бұрын
My God, this is really good. Congratulations.
@0038Utente
@0038Utente 6 ай бұрын
Yes! Another Z vallid video! I was waiting for this scenario
@HM-rz8nv
@HM-rz8nv 4 ай бұрын
This is actually good alternate history based strongly on real historical details and sociology to weave together a compelling narrative of how things could have played out. Huge breath of fresh air from the various quack "alternate history" that exist on youtube.
@DerpindKhersion
@DerpindKhersion 6 ай бұрын
I Love how this is Styled like A Real History Documentary because it reminds Me how Lucky we are and how many Close Calls there were in History and Remind Us that "It could've been Worse" For Example:... The South could've Survived The Axis could've Won The Comintern could've Won The Axis could've Survived The American Revolution could've Failed North Korea could've Reunited Korea The Central Powers could've Won and or Survived Israel could've not Existed Idiocracy could've been A Reality And America could've became Fascist in 1934
@das81
@das81 3 ай бұрын
You don't want to think of a better World... The problem with American exceptionalists... Either conservatives or progresives.
@NewDealChief
@NewDealChief 6 ай бұрын
Babe, wake up, Zvallid just posted another alternate history video. I always appreciate how good these videos are. They're made like its a documentary, I love 'em.
@sebping7205
@sebping7205 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting and good video - as always, my dear friend. :) And I have two questions about this scenario: 1. If France and especially Britain did not support Poland in this scenario, why did Poland still refuse the German negotiations about Danzig and the other big problems that lead to the German-Polish War? Couldn't Poland instead become a strong German ally in the war against the Soviets? 2. Are Russians, Slavs and other ethnicities treated well in the eastern countries under German supervision? I am looking forward to your answers :) And I just wanted to say I am happy that you incorporated into your scenario, that Germany did not declare war on the western European nations - but only after England and France declared war on Germany, in our timeline. Also Germany did not take territory from Yugoslavia, since they are axis-aligned in this world. The German leadership was perfectly fine with Germans living in other countries, as long as they were treated well. So I am very happy that you got the facts right - I did not expect anything else from you :)
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
May be you are right about Poland. Without the support and the british false promises ptobably there would have been and accord about danzig.
@brandonlu9280
@brandonlu9280 6 ай бұрын
29:22 How did you make this map?
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
Photoshop
@brandonlu9280
@brandonlu9280 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid Nice.
@daveweiss5647
@daveweiss5647 6 ай бұрын
So less war death and destruction around the world is the result reached in this video...? Interesting to think about...!
@goofyviewer1855
@goofyviewer1855 6 ай бұрын
Love these type of videos. Please create more! ❤
@antoniomariamacri7500
@antoniomariamacri7500 6 ай бұрын
I don't think the US would go along well with Rafael Franco, Terra, Vargas and the likes. While they were admirers of Mussolini, they were also economic nationalists whose policies often came into conflict with American companies' interests, much like Cardeno's. Also, Franco was the leader of a socialist party, the Febreiristas.
@Myprobable952
@Myprobable952 6 ай бұрын
Yup Anotha Zvallid Classic🔥🔥
@hank780
@hank780 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this. An interesting scenario indeed. Maybe you could do a What if the Soviet Union becames fascist with Konstantin Rodzaevsky? or perhaps what if the germany monarchists deposed Hitler before WW2?
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
I would like to make a what if hitler remain an artist
@hank780
@hank780 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid so like a what if Hitler never rose to power
@blauwbeer556
@blauwbeer556 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid Hitler wasn't a very good artist, indeed, his true calling was architecture as the art school suggested. Maybe you could do a documentary on the famous architect, his successes, failures and struggles. You could make it super immersive, barely aknowledging any political/international changes unless it is directly relevant to him. It could end peacefully, or perhaps quite dramatically with him serving in the army once again before facing his doom. just some random ideas that popped in my head.
@2good2lose53
@2good2lose53 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for still doing these videos even if it is nit so easy❤️ If you need help with anything… just ask us your community
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
sure! thank you!
@AmericanUnionState1824
@AmericanUnionState1824 6 ай бұрын
I find it very odd that you didn't mention William Pelley or the Silver legion, I honestly expected that they would have took control of the US.
@WFHermans
@WFHermans 6 ай бұрын
It is mentioned in the video that fascist organizations flourish, I assume his life would be far better in the fascist timeline.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
i did not mention it because I think it would be absorbed in the new government however probably it would have been better tp mention it
@AmericanUnionState1824
@AmericanUnionState1824 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid fare enough
@JonathanGoedeke
@JonathanGoedeke 2 ай бұрын
I just love the thought you put into this! I'm particularly impressed by your decision to use a relatively unknown figure like Johnson, instead of the more popular choices like Pelley or Long
@Reinhard_Erlik
@Reinhard_Erlik 6 ай бұрын
What a beautiful conclusion.
@andrewmcnamara6305
@andrewmcnamara6305 2 ай бұрын
You should also do these other What If scenarios: What if Operation Market Garden succeeded, What if South Korea and its allies won the Korean War and reunified the Korean Peninsula under a democratic government, What if South Vietnam won the Vietnam War and reunified under a democratic government, What if the United States intervened in Latin America, the Middle East, and Africa during the Cold War, What if the Tienanmen Square protests were successful.
@zvallid
@zvallid 2 ай бұрын
good ideas
@JPJ432
@JPJ432 6 ай бұрын
I have found if one reads the very writings from the people directly involved you get a Much different picture of history than if you listen to it from 3rd parties which can help sometimes start a journey of exploration but if not careful can quickly become a game of Telephone. For example with what really happened in WW2 and what happened with FDR. One place to start is his son Elliot Roosevelts writings. FDR brought him along to his meetings especially the ones with Churchill and Stalin. He made sure his son and Stalin were well acquainted. Both FDR and Stalin did not trust Churchill at all. FDR has said on multiple occasion that Churchill/Londons goal is to not just maintain the Empire but strengthen it. FDRs stated goal was to stop the Empires of Europe and make sure the colonies have their sovereignty. When FDR died Elliot Roosevelt met with Stalin and Stalin was quoted saying "it was Churchill and his gang who killed your father". Also we can all thank the City of London and the Bank of England for the rise of Germany during WW2 since they supported and funded them to annex Central Europe for the goal of becoming strong enough to have the Soviets and Germans kill each other off then come in after and gather up all the pieces but of course their Frankenstein monster went rogue and invaded France. Seeing that their creation might get to powerful they declared war on them and well you know the rest of the story.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
also FDR goal was to not just maintain the Empire but strengthen it.
@kiwitrainguy
@kiwitrainguy 3 ай бұрын
If FDR wanted to end to the British, French, Dutch, etc empires it would be so that there would be no alliance of countries to engage in a trade war/sanctions against the USA. It was divide and conquer for the USA in terms of trade. As for Nazi Germany going "rogue" against France, they were at war with each other so Germany wanted to neutralise France before invading the USSR.
@LouiszBr42
@LouiszBr42 2 ай бұрын
19:45 Quick question: Why the Brazilians are fighthing on the U.S side against Mexico?
@zvallid
@zvallid 2 ай бұрын
@@LouiszBr42 i think Vargas would have side with usa for economical reasons and to fight the communist mexico
@LouiszBr42
@LouiszBr42 2 ай бұрын
@@zvallid Hmmm u are right but would similiar thing happen to the Mexican-American War? where the Irish deserted on the Mexican side? but this time with the Brazilians deserting? idk.
@zvallid
@zvallid 2 ай бұрын
@@LouiszBr42 yes it could be possible I think, a sort of spanish civil war in which there were people of the same country in the two sides
@pvt.feligs414
@pvt.feligs414 6 ай бұрын
Great video as always! 💙
@CPorter
@CPorter 6 ай бұрын
Me & My boyfriend watched this. Our main takeaways from this, or ciriticisms is, that religion wasn't used at all somehow to influence the American populum's actions. Where is Father Coughlin during all this? Does WMCA continue supporting his anti-semetic rants in 1938? Also how did Huey Long have no deep impact in politics discusses here, yet remained a big enough threat to warrant relocation? Lastly, why would they go fascist specifically, as apposed to deeper Left-wing views of capitalism and progression? Other than that, great watch overall. I love your narration style, your editing style is great too. Good on you for being one of only several youtubers who bother to make 20s - 30s film footage look realistic by slowing down the speed! Your voice is great for this too!
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
I think father coughlin would be in a relocation camp with his friend huey long. I think the anti semitism would be limited since part of the oligarchy ruling usa are jews.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
Infact It Is not a true fascist government, more a dictstorship of and oligarchy.
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
Huey long would be One of the 100000 people isolated in the camps
@CPorter
@CPorter 6 ай бұрын
@@zvallid yeah but he would have had more political recogniition to some degree before the camps started.
@TroysMilitaryHistory
@TroysMilitaryHistory 6 ай бұрын
Great video, although I would have kept the Eastern Front running till end 1943/early 1944 to include North Africa, eventually linking up with Army Group South!
@JimboPresi22
@JimboPresi22 6 ай бұрын
Didn't we have FDR as president at the time? Dude's the closest thing we had to a fascis/ ultra authoritarian government. He literally followed all the trends such regimes follow ( soviets, ccp, Austrian painter, bald man with helicopter hand etc
@niksworks9150
@niksworks9150 6 ай бұрын
We got american Caesar before Gta 6
@zwwwwe
@zwwwwe 6 ай бұрын
Lets go, been waiting for a scenario like this.
@MCLegend13
@MCLegend13 4 ай бұрын
Mosley would certainly be successful in this timeline if all of Europe and the USA was facist there’s no way his march would fail in this timeline. Mosleys and King Edwards Facist Britain would likely try to remain on favourable terms with USA and Germany and Italy even if there is tension between them they would want to return to splendid isolation and not want to get involved in all the needless conflicts it’s more likely to focus on consolidating its power over its colonies.
@kpat5655
@kpat5655 6 ай бұрын
This video is well detailed, informative and well done good job
@Mansukh09
@Mansukh09 6 ай бұрын
What if the Nuclear Bomb was discovered at the end of WW1 by a german scientist
@Mansukh09
@Mansukh09 6 ай бұрын
@americanschoolsystem never know it could cause germany to get a way more lighter peace treaty and may delay the rise of hitler letting soviet armies to invade europe
@shad0w_g4ming
@shad0w_g4ming 6 ай бұрын
​@americanschoolsystem ehhh not really as research of atomic change and nuclear fission started a decade or so before the first world war... it was only really when reasearch started advancing later on during ww2
@rajgogoi2178
@rajgogoi2178 6 ай бұрын
Nice explanation. This alternate history version is much better than the original one 😂. At least with only one ideology fewer wars would have been fought as against our timeline.
@RegentOfGreece
@RegentOfGreece 6 ай бұрын
If America did turn Fascist, I at least feel a Coalition of Republicans, Democrats, and most or all minority groups in America would join forces together to stop the Fascists. But aside my own opinion, this was a fantastic video! Awesome work, you guys. Have a wonderful day. ❤
@Archiva1-k2o
@Archiva1-k2o 5 ай бұрын
Babe wake up, zvallid is here with another banger!
@stefanovillino772
@stefanovillino772 6 ай бұрын
Excluding ofc the awesome work, the correct title is like "What if USA joined the good guys?"
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
I think you are right
@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019
@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019 6 ай бұрын
Based
@OrginateGlue
@OrginateGlue Ай бұрын
How can you like the nazis?
@jamescoker6155
@jamescoker6155 4 ай бұрын
Very well thought out and presented. Bravo.
@sahilhossain8204
@sahilhossain8204 6 ай бұрын
Lore of 1934: What if USA turn Fascist momentum 100
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 6 ай бұрын
Alternate histories are useful for figuring out what happened in the past--and why.
@codyfunderburk3664
@codyfunderburk3664 6 ай бұрын
I love it, USA have a Italy-like status and rules under Fascist Rule of the USA, I don’t know what comes next but maybe Richard Nixon will be Second General Secretary of the Fascist America in May 1964 or maybe George H.W. Bush will win the 1980 Presidential Election or maybe a clash between USA and Japan in 1965 after a American Battleship just destroyed near Japanese Taiwan, maybe that will happen during the following decades, but it was a awesomely great video and I love it
@SamSam-df4ow
@SamSam-df4ow 6 ай бұрын
Why would Japan attack the country that gives them oil
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
probably the clash between USA and japan will happen the same but later
@JPOGers
@JPOGers 5 ай бұрын
We’re about to find out this November! 😀
@862verycool
@862verycool 6 ай бұрын
What if Sweden Won The Great Northern War? something old enough to get people interested considering you don’t do a lot of videos past the 1900s
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
yes you are right it could be interesting
@horatiuscocles8052
@horatiuscocles8052 4 ай бұрын
Generally, I don't think it is necessary to annex the East Coast of Mexico to extract its oil unless the plan is to eventually annex more of Mexico in time
@jimschledorn5619
@jimschledorn5619 6 ай бұрын
Doesn’t sound so bad to me
@BlackPill-pu4vi
@BlackPill-pu4vi 5 ай бұрын
If we followed Germany of the time, the U.S. and the entire West would be far better off. Looking at the results of the past 80 years, there's no credible argument against such an alternative.
@kiwitrainguy
@kiwitrainguy 3 ай бұрын
@@BlackPill-pu4vi About 6 million Jews would disagree with you.
@Franklin_D_Roosevelt_45
@Franklin_D_Roosevelt_45 6 ай бұрын
Our alternate historian is back
@MasonTheMan9891
@MasonTheMan9891 6 ай бұрын
This should be a movie.
@FuntimeVictimerFNAFBR
@FuntimeVictimerFNAFBR 5 ай бұрын
Idea: Communist USA but with 2 scenarios 1st: the SU is still there 2nd: White Russia won the civil war You could go on about how these scenarios' cold war would happen too(although more like what would cause it to happen)
@vinhmai5566
@vinhmai5566 6 ай бұрын
Mexico: Oh god not again (Also can you make a video on what if the Byzantine Empire survived?)
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
yes it could be a good video
@RegentOfGreece
@RegentOfGreece 6 ай бұрын
@zvallid Just curious for your opinion, would it make sense for the Byzantines to be more Liberal along the lines of the British and French? Since most Greeks are attuned to Democracy?
@vinhmai5566
@vinhmai5566 6 ай бұрын
@@RegentOfGreece well maybe
@zvallid
@zvallid 6 ай бұрын
@@RegentOfGreece I think it could happen without too much pressure on the borders, but the situation was different
@RegentOfGreece
@RegentOfGreece 6 ай бұрын
@zvallid makes sense. :) Actually, I did want to ask if you were interested in making another possible video. What if the Free France was recognized as the true French government earlier than when it originally was. If it's alright with you, I do have a scenario thought up if you're interested in trying it sometime?
@fanolade
@fanolade 6 ай бұрын
Your Videos are always a banger. Always have been and always will be.
@ledbullet100
@ledbullet100 4 ай бұрын
GLORY TO THE FREE AMERICAN EMPIRE!!!!!
@patrikrenandemoraesmoreira1742
@patrikrenandemoraesmoreira1742 6 ай бұрын
Excelent video zvallid! From Brazil
@minhmeo9506
@minhmeo9506 6 ай бұрын
A huge OOF for the Soviets 😅
@ricktaylor4789
@ricktaylor4789 6 ай бұрын
@zvallid You never fail to impress and entertain with your videos, my friend. I make a point of watching anything you upload. Job well done!
@constantinuslefug2874
@constantinuslefug2874 6 ай бұрын
A better world for everyone.
@davibarbosa1373
@davibarbosa1373 2 ай бұрын
Hello Zvallid, I would want to know, is There any chances of this scenario having a continuation? Like a cold war between Axis, Allies and Japan, a war between Japan and Allied in 1950 or a late ww2, if you read this thanks for your attetion
@zvallid
@zvallid 2 ай бұрын
@@davibarbosa1373 for the Moment It Is not a project but in the future could be
@Snaut1
@Snaut1 6 ай бұрын
What if USA turned Based
@Burda74
@Burda74 6 ай бұрын
real
@KozelPraiseGOELRO
@KozelPraiseGOELRO 6 ай бұрын
Well, if USA became based, USA would dissapear.
@JamesDelanoMcCarthysecondacc
@JamesDelanoMcCarthysecondacc 6 ай бұрын
It's not sigma kiddo
@rabioliman2lol602
@rabioliman2lol602 5 ай бұрын
So based bro
@MikeJoe-jy5kp
@MikeJoe-jy5kp 5 ай бұрын
Cringe
@Doctor_snw
@Doctor_snw 4 ай бұрын
alternate history is probably one of my most favorite genres
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