1949 White Super Tow Truck WILL IT RUN After How Long?!

White WB-20 Tow Truck, we call her the Big Ugly Pumpkin can we get it to start after sitting for how long?!
#white #1949 #willitrun #willitstart #1949 #ratrod #towtruck

[@larrytucker2938]

You can always tell mechanics who were born in the fuel injection era, they never open the throttle to let air into the intake.

[@Joelmungandr]

Or they look younger than 50.

[@WACRE44]

Yeah I know what you mean!😊

[@pedroalejandro8324]

Never saw u check for coolant.

[@juliesmall3756]

I'd love to see you do more with this old white. There are only so many old trucks out there and a lot of youtubers purposely destroying them because they have no value to them and they want views. I would like to see you get this in to roadworthy condition where you could take it to antique truck events. A lot of us enjoy an old truck that hasn't been restored better than showroom or cut up into a rat rod. That's just my two cents worth though.

[@JeffKopis]

I agree. The ones that really piss me off are idiots like Bruce Wilson and KT3406, who repeatedly make videos of Detroit 2 strokes deliberately allowed to run away and blow up, for their amusement and clicks 😠. Senseless destruction.

[@danielburke8350]

Amen.

[@JonDahl]

When I heard, “It has a slant-six” I already knew it was going to run.

[@James-mp1jx]

Slant six!!! Bullet proof, best damn engine Chrysler ever made.

[@TylersNeighborhoodGarage]

Remember that a Slant Six has solid lifters, so there HAS to be valve lash. That's the noise you hear. Someone has put a Chevy stovebolt carburetor on it. Chrysler ignition systems of that era used a coil that was designed to operate on about 6 volts with the key in the ON position(running) which was dropped by the ballast resistor originally. During cranking, the starter circuit through the ignition switch routed power around the ballast resistor to feed the coil full 12v. There is no "terminal on the solenoid"...these commentors have been around too many Chevies. If you don't wish to fool with a ballast you can find a coil that has an internal ballast. Not sure how long the points would last with full 12 volts. It has a pre-1970 valve cover on it. The only factory Slant Six painted that blue color with that style cover was a 1969. You can determine the year of the engine by finding the stamping that is on the deck surface right below the #1 sparkplug. It faces upward and will be something along the lines of F225R 6733 2809 F is the year code, 225 the displacement, R is regular fuel, one of those two sets of numbers( your's would be different of course) is the shift code and the other the production date as deciphered by the 10,000 day Mopar calendar. Have fun!

[@Edward-Thaine]

Thanks for all the good info! The coil we got has an internal ballast so it should be good. I think the engine had 1970 on it somewhere. Ill double check it with the codes you gave, thanks!

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

All this is correct information.

[@psl54rsniper]

You do know you have to take the caging bolts out of the rear brake cans to get you rear brakes to work right!

[@Edward-Thaine]

We backed the nut off till the cage bolt was fully in, even loose. and we still didnt get brakes. the bolt does pull out though, does it need to come all the way out? We're not familiar with these old school air brakes, any info would be greatly appreciated!

[@edwardesty4951]

The fact that the brakes didn't lock when the bolts were removed means their not adjusted

[@MaximRecoil]

14:15 - "I got 6 volts right to my thumb" - No, you didn't. You got about 15,000 or 20,000 volts or more. 6 volts won't normally shock you, unless perhaps it's on your tongue, and it certainly couldn't make it through the high-voltage insulation of a spark plug wire. You don't really think it's only 6 volts going down the spark plug wires do you? That could never run an engine, because 6 volts isn't anywhere near enough voltage to jump the gap of a spark plug, therefore you'd have no spark. The 6 volts from the ballast resistor (it's usually more like 8 or 9 volts) gets increased to thousands of volts by the ignition coil, which sends it to the distributor, which sends it through the spark plug wires.

[@chrisbailey4254]

Dont forget to put a little grease on the points rubbing block and to put some oil into the felt under the rotor and there are gaps in the base plate to oil the mechanical advance weights also the older distributors had an oiler on the side of the body for oiling the shaft.Make sure the manifold support stay is installed as it is a very heavy lever on the mounting studs which you also need to tun a spanner (wrench in your lingo ! ) over regularly. Regards

[@eventhorizon1855]

It's a shame the original engine is absent, would have been more rugged than the slant 6, but it's still got that cool factor.

[@craigbowley6783]

You can't kill the leaning tower of power! It just wants to run!

[@davemiller6893]

It might be a waste to rat rod this truck. The truck has so much character. Maybe get it mechanically sound and tidy the body and chassis a little so as to keep its history. I think you would have a crowd pleaser definetly. Regards from England 🇺🇸 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Edward-Thaine]

We would keep the looks, just some power upgrades, wheels/tires, give it some stance to drop that bumper down a bit 😁 weve got some cool ideas! Stay tuned. Thanks for watching!

[@ironcladranchandforge7292]

​@@Edward-Thaine-- Well, if you "ratrod" this truck I won't stay tuned. I hate it when someone destroys a piece of history or a neat old truck, even though it doesn't have the original engine. I've refused to sell some of my previous classic trucks to people for this reason. Once they told me their plans I refused the sale. Sure they were pissed, but they are not going to destroy one of my trucks!!

[@owlseye32713]

@@ironcladranchandforge7292 There are enough "Rat Rods" out there built to be rats. Survivor vehicles made safe to drive and run daily are a better choice. I have a 1933 BB Ford survivor, 89 years old. Fresh from the fields of Great Falls Montana.

[@jamessmith7691]

Nothing like an old truck with the smells and sounds. Good video.

[@stetsonvestal4751]

Im new to your channel. Loved this video. I recently obtained a 1935 Diamond T. So this stuff is right up my alley

[@WayneHaynos]

On the starter solenoid, there should be a terminal that appears to do nothing. It actually provides 12 volts while the engine is starting and should hook up to bypass the balast resistor to the distributor. Should take care of the starter drain you were having.

[@an_oshkosh_guy]

Its full model name is "White Super Power", we've got one sitting out front with a Bucyrus Erie well drilling rig

[@grabasandwich]

Imagine if they launched that brand name today 😳😂

[@Edward-Thaine]

Yea theres a reason i used super tow truck instead 😆 figured itd be a little more appropriate haha! Thanks for watching!

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Cable operated well drilling rig or "sputter" in the field. Very old and dangerous. You would go through a lot of rig hands using that antique today but people should see it running so as to understand how much things improved.

[@Brimstone667]

ya but youtube doesnt like it in that series

[@RichardLWhite]

She's a sweet old rig..look forward to seeing how it progresses..liked..and subbed..

[@simov8chevy]

When the starter solenoid is engaged it supplies battery voltage straight to the coil by bypassing the ballast resistor.

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

If it's wired up correctly.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

That is on vehicles built as 12 volts. This probably was built as 6 volts.

[@asandberg6]

You need a full 12v resistor bypass for starting. SHould be a terminal off the starter solenoid.

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Brown and Lipe auxiliary trans, brownie for short. Many different sizes and ratios. Some had "power towers" that ran the winch. You would have had better luck using ether rather than flooding it. From appearances this truck was used in a salvage yard. Turned out pretty good for not having help from a mechanic.

[@mikewinkelman7015]

Leave it the way you got it ,a piece of history

[@JacksonGuitarsPlayer03]

Or restore it cleanly exactly how it looks!!!! Or just make it run able.

[@ikemedrano8555]

My uncle has 2 of those trucks in his barn. He bought them both back in the fifties. They're in mint condition and start and run like new. My uncle is 93 now.

[@neil6212]

You're not getting 12 volt ignition. To increase the voltage when starting, normally the I terminal on the starter solenoid must be connected to the coil + side. When the starter is energized, the solenoid sends 12 volts to the coil side of the ballast resistor. When you were trying to bypass the resistor, you were not actually bypassing it. When you try to run without the resistor in circuit (like with a "12 volt" coil, you'll soon start burning out points, do the very high current being drawn by the coil. As best I remember, 12 volt coils were essentially the same as 6 volt coils, hence the ballast resistor or a resistor wire taking its' place. You can easily check this is the case by comparing the coil resistance between the two small (+ and -) terminals with an ohm meter.

[@DamianGillett]

too tired to comprehend that in full, but in short you are right, the points should not get a full 12 volts as starting drops the battery to 9-10v on crank, the ballast resistor is designed to keep the points at this voltage once cranking has stopped and the engine is running

[@oliverroedel1111]

@@DamianGillett points never get 12v, they get the high voltage of the coil. and some coils doesn´t like 12v, depends on the system.

[@DamianGillett]

@@oliverroedel1111 You obviously do not know what a ballast resistor is for, On Crank the coil and points get 9v in start postion allowing for starter draw, then when the key is returned to on that runs through the ballast resistor to keep the coil and points at 9-10v. You learn something new every day :)

[@oliverroedel1111]

@@DamianGillettI know very well. How ignition systems work. POINTS never get 12V, they get the hugh voltage from the coil. the COIL does get 8-12V, depending on the ignition system.

[@DamianGillett]

@@oliverroedel1111 Never get 12v? but you just said they do depending on ignition system. thats as varied as my ex fiance's opinions on the sky being blue

[@johnnymack8442]

Usually there is a 12 volt wire on the coil. Off the starter solenoid for when it's cranking to provide a full 12 for starting.

[@michaelbenardo5695]

This truck was probably built as 6 volts, so it may not have that resister bypass.

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Not on a Chrysler product.

[@walterjwalnut9964]

May not be standard on a Chrysler product, but this is a very non standard situation, Chrysler motor grafted into something else, Battery cable sizes, terminals, condition etc all affect this. Suggest a reading coil voltage at coil terminal while cranking as a starting point, is the coil a 12V for Chrysler or 6V from original install. Maybe a direct cable from battery to coil bypassing all original wiring, don't leave connected between attempts or you may burn coil. Check coil polarity as well, original had a generator suggesting +ve earth, alternator on current motor would be -ve earth. Coil polarity and voltage are important, hence question about whether it is original 6V or updated 12V coil.

[@DeadReckon]

Wonder who put a Slant-6 in this, and when and why? Odd combo for sure!

[@Edward-Thaine]

Seems like it was what that had laying around, who knows though! Haha definitely interesting

[@DeadReckon]

@@Edward-Thaine Yeah it is, I saw that Slant 6, an earlier industrial unit, and thought "Oh man that's gotta be nearly gutless considering how gutless my '83 D150 is with a Slant 6 and a 4 speed straight drive" haha! Still fun to drive I bet tho!

[@josephprentice8354]

Was an old road rage movie with a semi like that things creep me out but they are dang beautiful

[@donsgotmoney]

The bolts sticking out of the rear brake chambers are caging bolts. When you tighten the the nuts and it pull the bolt up, its actually pulling the service brake spring up so the brakes are in the released position. The screw that you are turning in on the carburetor is probably the idle air mixture adjustment. it should be turned in until the engine just about dies, then back out until it smooths out. If its backed out to much, you will just have to high of an idle. The whole in the floor next to the shifter looks as if it originally had a duplex shifter twin stick. The front wheels have been converted from bud style to a unilug. Love the patina on this truck, great find and really great thing to do with you dad. All the best.

[@Edward-Thaine]

We loosened the nut till the caged bolts were fully in (even loose) and still didnt have brakes. Neither the spring brake or brake pedal gave any resistance. When we pull the air brake knob the bolts back out all the way and are able to come out completely, not sure if they should be left in or not but it seems weird that they are just loose with the ability to come out. We're not too familiar with these old air brake systems, if you are we'd love some info on them! Thanks for watching!

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

@Edward-Thaine Those "bolts" as you call them are only inserted into the hole of the brake chamber and turned a quarter turn in order to release the park brake which is what the know on the dashboard is doing with air. If you have no air then to release the brakes you must use those special bolts. They need to be removed and left in the truck if needed in the future. The foot valve which is the brake pedal on the floor sends air to the brake chambers at all wheels and moves the arm that is attached to the lever on the shaft which on a 60's and up truck is called a slack adjuster. Not sure whats on a 49 originally but I doubt much of that truck is original except for the cab. The slack adjuster is designed to be adjustable so as to be able to limit the distance between the shoes and drum and is attached to the shaft coming out of the brake backing plate. The rear brakes are "cam" brakes. The shaft turns and the cams on the shaft have rollers against them that are on the brake shoes and as it rolls up the cam the brakes increase in diameter and press against the inside of the drum. The brake shoes must be thick enough and the drums not oversized and the rollers working properly and no damage to the cams as the shoes should only be 1/8 or less from the inside of the drum. Excess wear in any of those parts can keep the cams from being able to expand the shoes far enough to reach the drums. Google, air brakes and truck brakes and cam brakes. There are pictures and even videos on the brakes.

[@Edward-Thaine]

@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 Great explanation! We took the bolts out and theres actually a holder for them on the side of the can. Still got nothin from the brakes. Our guess is pads/drum/cam is worn out. But we will find out when we dig into it more! Appreciate the reply!

[@matthewjames4334]

Those are old school brake chambers…. Not modern type 30 S cams…… there is no auto spring braking on this truck…. It’s Probably still got wedge brakes as well….. if you loose air pressure you will have 0 brakes other than the hand brake change the rear axle out for one from a 80s or 90s Chevy c60 or ford f600 you’ll get a higher ratio and modern brakes that won’t kill you…….

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Wedge brake chambers have the actuator rod moving through the backing plate towards the brakes. Many trucks even after 1970 had wedge brakes. Unfortunately......

[@Brimstone667]

hoesntly id leave it a yarder with the system the way it is on the winch an boom, its going to come in soooo handy when your moving around stuff, or if ya wana git rid of it ;) i have a hefty collection i like trading around

[@joemoore4027]

Bad ass looking truck ! I'd leave it as is, killer look for sure !

[@THROTTLEPOWER]

Oh wow, very cool!!!! 👍👍

[@Rustohallick]

I have a '51 Supper and found out the hard way about brake technology of the time. The brakes on mine work backwards from the way they work now. They release when you loose air presser ,then it rolls down hill.

[@edwardesty4951]

It should have the hand parking brake

[@JDawghasaTruck]

What a cool machine! Fix it up and make it a driver. It’s a tool, keep using it!

[@chadbailey189]

repowered with dodge slant 6, orginal motor was flat head 6 cylinder that where same motor in ww2 half tracks, i have 3 motors that would have been in this originally, all three rebuilt at some point,none original bores, cranks are turned down, pistons all cracked betwwen rings, they where kinda a junk motor in the day compared to other gas motors in thous years

[@M_Alekseev]

Сравнительно древний (1949) автомобиль, а его двигатель работает очень устойчиво, особенно "низы". Автомобиль в коллекцию! А вам - успехов в работе. A relatively ancient (1949) car, and its engine works very steadily, especially the "bottoms". Car in the collection! And I wish you success in your work.

[@scottkenney7823]

A12 volt coil you can get a one wire alternator and get rid of a lot of that harness check the key wiring to fix your delayed start the engine is starting on the rotation after you turn the key to run the ballast resister brings the voltage down to 91/4 for constant running I love old stuff IF YOU CANT GET IT ALL GET SOME!!

[@kcscarecrow]

that truck looks as scary as the one in the 1972 movie "Duel". Congrats on getting it going.

[@jamesnelson6513]

When those Chryslers fire on release of starting . The resistor is bad. Bypassing the resistor will burn up the points faster.

[@danielwillover]

I'd like to see a part 2, possibly a part 3 where you get the engine running and go through the brakes or go through the transmission and get the truck moving

[@Edward-Thaine]

there will be a part 2!

[@jasondrinovsky7962]

That sounds like the red White wrecker on Maximum Overdrive 😂

[@michaelguinn5736]

I grew up in Michigan, in the 1960's, the town we lived in was the gravel capital of the United States, I remember a gravel pit using the late 1950's White WC2264's as pit trucks....I had a tandem axle WC White dump truck some years ago. I had to part with it due to health reasons....

[@JeffKopis]

Why, was it sick? 😆

[@4570husker]

I hope to see more of this truck for sure. Living up here in Alaska we have a lot of really cool old steal laying around.

[@Edward-Thaine]

We have a few recent videos of this truck up, check them out! Been doing alot of work on it and alot more cool things to come. Thanks for watching!

[@jamesburris4078]

That engine should be a solid lifter cam, and I would bet that the valve lash hasn't been looked after. Just an FYI.

[@Edward-Thaine]

Good to know!

[@marvwatkins7029]

Where did the headlights go? The roof lights might not be legal.

[@SeymourBalz]

Positive or negative ground ? Look at the coil. Which post is connected to the distributer ?? Neg or Pos. ? IF you know how to hot wire a coil. 12V hot to positive.. is Neg ground. So...Which terminal goes to existing distributer ? + or - ? As it has an Alt, I'd say Neg ground off hand.

[@jimbellingham3572]

We had a 1956 Oliver Super 55 diesel farm tractor, acquired by White Trucks, then Massey I believe. I had 2 deal with Massey when they went bancrupt, on a cash basis, 2 days a week, no guarantee there WOULD be "another day"! 4tunately, I got the engine parts/pump and injectors rebuilt b4 they folded! Years of ether starts destroyed the sleeves/pistons/rings, so I rebuilt the top end. an old diesel mechanic taught me the "paper timing light", after the engine got accidentally bumped with the injector pump removed! I had a few sleepless nites! lol

[@victorrobison5069]

Valve train noise? The slant six was known for rattle because it had the loosest adjustment specifications of any car. Something like16 to 20 thousandths. New cars had that rattle.

[@robleary3353]

Love seeing old bits of kit bought back to life! Nice one!. Nuff said!. 🙂

[@dk832002]

Looks like it was used as a log skidder, or an oil field truck

[@garygraham4571]

It is called caging the pancake bladder

[@oxmachines]

I get the feeling you guys are fellow Washington’s👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@mikewilliams2072]

Love these will it run videos

[@worthshop]

Where are you from, I swear I seen this thing on marketplace close to me. I am in Eastern Washington state.

[@Edward-Thaine]

Western Washington haha you have probably seen this on marketplace!

[@generalrepair9947]

Good job getting it running! Love to see more videos of the truck.

[@edwardwilcox6712]

Looks like some thing off of MAD MAX lol love it

[@hankplays4563]

i was yelling ur flooding the piss out of it... it was catching before you where dumping to it also check the ballast resistor its loosing voltage at crank...

[@jimtomassetti8928]

Great Vidio. I'd say clean her up. But don't change the history of it!👍

[@ovandek8959]

Sounds awesome 👍🏻

[@christianbattestin9747]

Referring to the firing order, a mechanic named Denis taught me, "15 is too young, 36 is too old, 24 is just right." Except the next year, I found out that 36 was just right. Giggity.

[@jeffstrongman7889]

Great looking truck. Well worth fixing up.

[@lonewolfwarrior69]

I miss these old behemoths. 💔☹️ They are so reminiscent of my childhood days. Seeing this old workhorse put a good feeling inside me. 👍😊 Thanks for the memories son. I'll nod off to sleep now to have the sweetest of dreams thinking about my life before modern vehicles. 👏😊

[@leonrose7799]

I love the look of this truck❤

[@johnnymack8442]

Slant 6 not the highest horsepower motor. But keep oil in the pan and gas in the carb. And they will keep going and going.

[@johnelliott7375]

I just stumbled upon the channel and I love stuff like that and I hope you are not going to leave it rot? Hopefully you are going to at least work on it. I will send you some pictures of my old scenery if you please get it working. I'm located north of Pittsburgh Pa. I have no idea where you are from approximately. Good morning to you and great day.

[@jks3849]

It needs a Cummins 5.9 or 6.7 swapped in, and the tow gear swapped for a flatbed body, it'd make a great rig to pull a big 5th wheel travel trailer

[@bertgrau3934]

That piece where the coil is hooked up is a ballast resistor, run your hot wire directly to the coil and if it runs that way, the resistor is bad. Pretty common on Chrysler products. Operating the throttle will help as well. Keeping the engine RPM above idle will help as well, especially if the engine hasn't been run in a few years . Good luck. 😊

[@robertsmarr-ez3kg]

What would be cool on this truck do that slant 6 out and put a 12 valve Cummins and its place fun 90s Dodge 3500

[@rickjeronimus3337]

Love to see it restored 👍👍👍

[@afsecaira]

granpa used to drive a 1963 valiant with that same engine and that is the sound i remember. i was what, 4, 5 ish years old? the car is in the house but very rusted out. grandpa passed 2 years ago.

[@Design107]

Rear breaks don't working because you have in brake canister bolt. Bolt in middle need unbolted.

[@davids6533]

Brought to you from the land where everything is funny... Nice old truck though.

[@joecummings1260]

That is a ballast resistor next to the coil. The starter circuit is suppose to bypass it when the engine is cranking. It's hooked up all wrong.

[@mojavepatrol4767]

lt looks like someone needed a little bit of a longer reach on the lifting rig...

[@CrMackey-kt3mp]

Forgot to add brown pipe went out of years ago but probably some older truckers in your area can suggest other companies that might rebuild brown lipes best regardes Robert

[@hoists1829]

Awesome video👍👍👍👍, how could we contact you?

[@Edward-Thaine]

you can message us on instagram

[@hoists1829]

​@@Edward-Thaine OK,thank you. I leave a message to you.

[@douglasmorton6121]

I'd love to see that as a restorattion. It has a certain curb appeal. I love old trucks!!! Nice work men!!!

[@locoserge007]

Hey Richard call Dennis get you some of that !!!!

[@4d1Nash]

I seen that on Facebook market place and almost bought it. I just couldn't justify another big dumb truck

[@Edward-Thaine]

Its big dumb and ugly and we just had to have it haha thanks for watching

[@JRRott-mj5jq]

Your so lucky you get to work on old trucks with your pop I wish I could have done that I did get to fish with him a lot but fishing was his thing Motor head was mine

[@mitchellhendrix8073]

Where's the other fire truck?

[@Edward-Thaine]

its parked back just out of camera shot! still there though

[@JRRott-mj5jq]

Man I seen a nice Detroit 2 stroke diesel that would be perfect for this truck it was on a different video but it’s for sale tho for scrap price it runs good tho.

[@robertjones6971]

If you actually work the throttle it may have started quicker. 😂😂😂

[@mikewilliams2072]

Sounds like the ignition switch may be wired wrong.

[@MikeLavery-xg7mz]

Replace that motor with a 5.9.vummins

[@mikeydoo3860]

Man finish it and fix the dents.. Paint it up and pull that Chevy pickup behind it . Don't let it sit there 😢

[@thomasfritsch6060]

ratrod NO fix it up to go get ratrods & others that break that tulsa is driven off the aux trans you put the aux trans in netural and use any gear in the main trans to drive the wench course you gotta put the wench drive in gear

[@robertbullcarmichael9856]

Rat rod???? No restore her to her original glory. Enjoyed the video. Great job.

[@mikewilliams2072]

Bypassing the ballast resitor may burn your points prematurely.

[@joeschlotthauer840]

I love it. If you decide to let it go, let me know.

[@PaulHigginbothamSr]

Dad may be correct. Just seems to need to run a bit to clear up. Hooked to the alternator instead of a battery post is not good for starting.

[@jeffbrannon9680]

Started watching and lost interest when u started picking apart everything someone else had done.

[@douglasmeek9774]

Whites were excellent trucks.. they were made in Cleveland

[@Brimstone667]

gotta white wc16 myself

[@marshahostetter3624]

The engine has mechanical adjustable valve train it will always sound like that

[@stevenbrennon9284]

Sounds like it has air brakes good ole Truck Thanks for posting

[@stevepringle2295]

All Diamond T trucks are Bad Ass period!

[@hunterwilliams9632]

hello whats the car body under the gray tarp looks british maybe

[@jorgegas125]

en mi pais no hay mecanicos asi.,lamentablemente .

[@Brimstone667]

love watchin this truck, my was a old fueling truck from a paper company in oregon an it doesnt have the air brakes an its all origial except missin the tanker but im going to build it into a road tractor

[@herbstjohann6057]

Hast du auch nur wegen dem älteren Mann geschaft, denn du alleine währst im Wald voller Bäume nicht im Stande einen Baum zu finden, also lass das Getue, wenn dir andere sagen , was zu tun ist 😮😮 Sicher freut es einem wenn der Motor wieder läuft, auch mich freut es, 😊😊😊😊😊 auch dass es sich bewegt und fährt

[@JRRott-mj5jq]

It’s probably the floats sticking not letting bowl fill