1954 Centrifugal Blower 6-110 and 1940s Murphy ME650 Supercharged. Will they run?

[@kentallard589]

Old gem from Winton\Cleveland Motor company! Sold to GM June of 1930, the rest is this beautiful piece of history! i can smell this video!🦾

[@Ol2Stroker]

Smells like real America not this watered down clown show we've got now

[@dandersonjr]

I'm not sure which was more entertaining. The engines or the characters working on them. Good stuff.

[@richardbaumgart2454]

Let's have a beer about it!

[@carlmason4153]

Talk about Jed clampett & Co

[@vicbittertoo]

both !!!

[@minnesotatomcat]

It just purred! No muffler and you’d still never guess it was a Detroit by the sound of that idle.

[@Ol2Stroker]

Exactly. What a sweetheart

[@rickbrooks1608]

That 6-110 sounded a lot like an EMD 645. Music to my ears.

[@wes11bravo]

I love learning the backstory of these magnificent old engines as much as I love hearing them run.

[@backpi]

It's funny the part where you all were talking About Big Blocks. The only Big Block I could see was Bacons belly...🤣🤣🤣❤

[@Ol2Stroker]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hunteranglin3750]

One of the best sounding motors I have heard they really built shit right back in the day

[@gregbridges2365]

Back in the 90’s I had four 27 ton Euclid trucks that had 6110’s in them

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

First time I've heard a 110 run! Now you need a 149 to get going!!! Thanks!

[@Ol2Stroker]

Look back ive already done a 149

[@detroitdiesel7074]

What happened to that 12v149 anyways?

[@Ol2Stroker]

@@detroitdiesel7074 bacon still has it in his hoard of junk

[@detroitdiesel7074]

@@Ol2Stroker awesome! What a legendary unit

[@douglasmayherjr.5733]

What a pair of sweet old engines. Back when cubic inches were all that mattered, they would last forever at 150 hp. Thanks for the Videos. I love James’s commentary behind the scenes and the beer order. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@vicbittertoo]

True professionals, you cannot properly work on cool old iron without beers, total respect :):):)

[@kleetus92]

I have absolutely zero use for a coozy, but damn, that cylinder liner design is just friggin' killer!! You hit that one out of the park!!

[@Huskiedrive361]

Great vid Wayno! Had the pleasure of working on a couple of 6-110's many years ago. Local construction had a couple Euclids with them, one was a Roots the other a pinwheel. Unique sound but still a Detroit! I even still have my 110 series book. Played with a few Murphy's in my day as well, so your video really brought back memories! Thanks buddy! Stan

[@curtsmith5076]

Uncle Wayno that would be so cool in a old needle nose Pete or Kennie

[@jasonmcdonaldhandmade7900]

I’ve ran a workover rig with a 6 110. I did pretty good. My dads well plugging rig had 48 6-71. Was overhauled in 75-76 and still runs to this day.

[@78trav]

Wayne, every video needs Bacon. He's awesome 😎

[@rusttrail3]

You know when James is on the scene is gonna be a good one. 🤣

[@airbats801]

you are my kind of people. Thanks for the awesome upload.

[@2StrokeDriptroit]

OOF-DA!! Pinwheel 6-110!! First one I saw was one in our next door’s Euclid scraper! Blew me away! 😋 Well, Wayne, we like the rare stuff! Me and my 4-51’s and THIS BEAUTY! What a sweetheart! Be careful revving up and down too much though. The fan in the blower has a lot of inertia and the drive won’t like it. Otherwise they are beautiful and it is a torque monster!! What a beauty! The Murphy is cool, but kinda sadly 4 stroke. These were used in Northwest cranes, but naturally aspirated. They made 3 and 4 cylinder inline and even a huge square plane crank V8 Murphy!! Those were sometimes used in Northwest cranes as well!! That pinwheel centrifugal blower 110 is GORGEOUS!!! My 4-51 and this are in the same class-RARE!! I really dig this!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 MIIIINNT!!! 👌👌👌

[@robdixon945]

Thanks for the show guys 🍻

[@richardhoneywell7411]

Great video Wayne really enjoyed watching you and James start and run this 6 110 Detroit quietest one I've heared. Murphy Diesel sounded good up until it blew the oil line. Lucky no one was standing there. Thanks for sharing stay safe Wayne and friends.

[@dieseldork6]

Awesome work guys 💯💯💯

[@4d1Nash]

The 6-110s sound alot like the emd 645s we have in our switchers

[@brianburns7211]

I believe 110 was used in this Budd rail diesel cars. It didn’t take long for the machinists to learn them because they were cousins to the EMD diesels in the locomotives.

[@Romans--bo7br]

@@brianburns7211.... the only thing in common between Detroit Diesels and the EMD's.... is that they're both 2 cycle... other than that, they differ in design quite a bit. They do, both have 4 exhaust valves, with the injectors centered between the valves... but the EMD's use a "pot" design, the Detroits, do not... except for the Series 149 engines... they use a "pot" design as well. EMD & Detroit Diesel, are two, wholly separate companies.... they share Nothing, between them.

[@Jdigger4130]

A big Mack collector here in my area has a an LTL I think it is that the old head installed in his log truck! time capsule!

[@ff912]

Those both sound amazing.

[@kenanger6877]

Cool old Iron! Good video! Thank you!

[@spiv_gennedy]

Back when GM made something worth a damn

[@tcmtech7515]

Emissions compliance has killed everything.

[@richardbaumgart2454]

@@tcmtech7515 And greed, and arrogance

[@charlesangell_bulmtl]

@@tcmtech7515 🐑The man & the dog are working together...😉

[@thundermite1241]

Man imagine somehow finding a working 8v149 you would be really lucky

[@markscully2342]

that's mental It sounds like a 4 stroke the only time you can tell it's not is when it's really revving!!!

[@Ol2Stroker]

I really like it

[@73Datsun180B]

@@Ol2Stroker that whistling😍sounded like an EMD🤩

[@Romans--bo7br]

Wayne.... Great Video, of a legendary engine!!.... even If, the Roots engine (1955 - 1965) was a Huge improvement... in mechanical (the blower) reliability. The Centrifugal blower was a great idea... but ahead of the metallurgy of its day. Lot of "guess work" going on here & in the comments, about the series 110. They were manufactured from April 1945 (but not marketed until 1946) through Oct. 1965. Also - the reason they were Not used in highway trucks (as questioned in the video) was because of the failure rate of the Centrifugal blower impeller. Any... and I mean ANY, rpm Over 2100 crankshaft speed, Guaranteed an impeller failure and would pitch the fragments into the engine. The Centrifugally blown engine was pretty well out of production by 1952, and the "upgraded" Roots blown engine (which they should have done in the first place!) replace it in the latter half of that same year. There may have been some "over-lapping" of both versions, until they ran out of stock for the Centrifugally blown engine. The Roots blown engine was available in a turbocharged version as well, and rated at 349 hp at 2100 rpm. Along with the Roots version, also came the 4 valve head (as well as the 2 valve). The compression ratio was the same for both versions, at 18.0:1. GMC Truck division had 3 specially built trucks, designated model "954" with the Centrifugal blower engine. The "954" had the hood and cab, heightened a full 8" over the production 930 Series. None of the three trucks exist today... unfortunately. GM Diesel, in all their wisdom... scrapped all three. There were quite a few off-road Mining haul trucks (initially - Euclid, but a few other brands as well), that were equipped with the 6-110 Centrifugal... which immediately proved problematic, with engine "over-speed" and the resulting disintegration, due to down hill over- speeding, and / or, missed downshifts, etc. The Centrifugal blower was over driven at 13.0:1 from crankshaft speed. The Centrifugal blown engine was rated 275hp - an increase of 110 hp, compared to the 6-71 of the era, in hwy truck use... which, in the early 1950's was at the "high end" of the hp spectrum at 165hp (6-71). P.I.E. in California, received One of the "954" GMC trucks, under lease from GM, for evaluation in use over their "Mountain Division". Besides impeller disintegration, Two other reasons they never went into hwy truck production were, 1) Transmission metallurgy of the era, had Not caught up with that kind of hp.. and especially, the torque output of the 6-110... and 2) it was Over double the weight of the 6-71 (4,000 lbs +/- a few).... in fact, it was about 800 lbs heavier, than the later 12-71T. Had the 6-110 stayed in production into the mid to late 1970's, the weight issue... would no longer have been an "issue" at all.... think Cummins "K" Series, as well as The Cat 1693TA, later 3406 and 3408 engines. I know for a fact that DD, had a Roots 110TA with 240cc injectors on the dyno, that was developing Over 700hp, that ran wide open (2150), under full dyno loading, for Two Weeks straight... before they shut it down for disassembly and inspection..... No signs of ANY significant parts wear, including main & rod bearings.... and the "cross-hatching" on the liners were intact, with absolutely No signs of wear. I know of only ONE, hwy truck with a 110T conversion.... it's in a 1950 (or, 1951?) LNT Mack conventional... out in northern Idaho - St. Anthony which is west of Pocatello.... and it's a "stick" hauler (tree's / logs), or was... I'm not sure what it's status is, currently. Somebody told me they saw a video of it, at one of the antique truck owner shows, about a year or two ago. PS:... I'm the same guy who suggested to you, to put a 110 / 110T into a newer (1970's / 1980's) semi.... a couple (maybe 3) of years ago. Another RARE, Detroit for you to watch for, Wayne... is the Series 51 engines (2 & 4 cyl.)..... and unlike the rest of the DD 2 cycle platforms... it was rated Series "51", based on the first year of production... through 1959. It was also designed with "timed" scavenging AND Exhaust.... valveless, "loop" scavenged. Unlike the 110 engine, there is absolutely Zero parts availability for the Series 51 engine. When running, the 4-51 sounds "nearly" exactly like the 4-53NA I would concentrate on the West coast (WA. & OR.) if looking for one, or.. up in the northern Wisconsin and Michigan area's..... they were primarily used in the logging industry (used around large pulp mills, for "herding" logs that were floated to the Mills), as well as for smaller fishing boats... and some, did find their way to Gensets and water irrigation systems. They were Never utilized in the "automotive" sector.. trucks, etc. They had a reputation for being Extremely reliable, and Very "easy" on fuel. PPS: A 12-53 would be a nice addition to your collection..... but, "Good Luck" with that one. Their Only reason for existence at all... was, because the Italian Navy had placed a "Special Order" for 50 of them, however... they only had 12 of them completed (by Stewart & Stevenson, who handled All of DD's "Special Order" builds & contracts) when they cancelled the order..... only 4 or them made it to Italy, the other eight, stayed "here" in the US. They were of Modular design (2 V6's, joined) and therefore were Not a true "V12" from a design standpoint, nor in their firing order. ONLY, the 12-71... was ever "clean sheeted" as a true V12, along with its firing orders (2)... depending on crankshaft rotation.

[@DanWoelders-fd5zd]

This is a friken wicked cool engine tho for sure. Even over video you can tell how quiet and smooth it runs for how old it is and the old school technology in that old girl. Thanx for sharing. Never knew they existed with those types of blowers

[@dougwhite2897]

That's a beautiful piece of machinery 😊 They probably ran Quaker State in it, I've seen that before, it destroyed a lot of gasoline engines. That's mild buildup. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Back in the day we had to add some kerosene to the oil and run it for a while and drain the oil. You wouldn't believe how much crap came out and the engine smoothed right out. Lol

[@rolandtamaccio3285]

I worked in a shop in Camden New Jersey , there were a couple laying around . Supposedly used in single commuter rail cars . The 110's .

[@josephpadula2283]

The Budd RDC used two of these in each car . The rdc -9 trailer had only one but could not operate by itself as it had no controls .

[@rolandtamaccio3285]

@@josephpadula2283 ,,, worked in Budd , downtown Philly , '65 to '71 . The rail cars were made in northeast Phil at the Red Lion plant . Thank-you , I didn't know they had two engines ,,, !

[@TheLonelyCowboy1958]

purrty engines!!!! i love the 6-110. 660 cubic inches of Detroit powaaa. great find Wayno. to note: the 6-110 went from 1945 to 65. i remember, cuz i wrote a whole Detroit Diesel thing for my girlfriend to learn bout all the series'. i think this unit in this videoo is producing like 275 horsepower. granted, this engine could've had a roots type blower, like our typical two stroke friends. it also had the options for a turbski. I like Detroits, and want a 6v-53 for a squarebody, like your buddies squarebody with the twin stick. well, except he has the 4-53.

[@73Datsun180B]

Your girlfriend wanted to learn about all the different engines in the Detroit family, seriously? Did you marry her and make babies?😉😂

[@TheLonelyCowboy1958]

@@73Datsun180B well, we're still in highschool, so not quite, but, we'll see what time brings us ya know. she loved reading it too.

[@KentuckyAk101guy]

That 6-110 sounds so good

[@djpar3492]

Looks like James lost a few pounds! Just kiddin' good to see the Baconator!

[@danw1955]

Heh, that 6-110 is a real peach for sure. I think you should get one of those electronic hand tachs, and a piece of white tape on the crank pulley. It sounds like it's barely over 650 (comparing to a 6-71). I'm amazed how clean that thing runs, considering the age, and the fact that it hadn't run in some time. Hopefully the generator head is good, and somebody can use it for standby power!😄 That Murphy sounds a bit like an old Hercules 6 cyl. diesel that my Grandfather had on an early Lincoln industrial welder. It also only turned 1200 up on the governor.😉

[@JoeSmith-wd8ks]

Thanks Wayne, James and Co Absolutely loved this one 👍 never heard a 110 run and it was awesome , sounds great - has a throaty growl . The blower more like a turbo sound . And that Murphy was cool too I know a guy here who has an Allis- Chalmers dozer that has a 6-110 in it but haven’t seen it running . Thanks for sharing your fun ! Cheers from New Zealand

[@joshjones3408]

The guy in the Blue shirt....you cant hang wit him unless you say aaa..aaa Bud...in front of ever sentence 😆😆😆😆😆

[@colebertils7359]

Once again Uncle Wayno manages to put the cool-shit-ometer right into the ketchup. Believe it or not they did install a 6-110 into 3 experimental GMC trucks in 1950. One was leased to PIE. Didn’t work out so well. Apparently the blower would grenade.

[@sidewalksurfin7827]

Edw. C. Levy Company in Dearborn, MI had a bunch of Murphy Diesels in old Kohering cranes when I was there in the 90s. They were really neat, but parts were very limited. I guess they'd run one run of parts a year and you had to be on a list to get them. Somewhere in my archives I have a Murphy Diesel owner/operator manual. For all know, they are probably still running!

[@joshjones3408]

Oh yea..... arc flash....thats right...the rat neast in the one you started....when I watched it originally when you turn that switch....i was walking up some steps 😔...when i woke up at the bottom of steps.... phone out beside me ...i Tripped when you filped that switch... funny shit 😆😆

[@joesfamilyfarm]

Used to run a 1963 Terex TS-24 scraper back in the late 1980s with a 6-110 in the front, 6-71 in the rear. Loved that 110.. They are pretty rare...I think production stopped in 1965.

[@robertwills6179]

Ya gotta love james

[@kevin9c1]

It reminds me of an EMD.

[@Romans--bo7br]

@kevin9c1 .....How do you come to that conclusion??

[@davegagnon23]

Tounge gave a full spectrum analysis of the oil it's 40w

[@Wolfe351]

that Murphy looks like it should be attached to an old Dozer...........what a beast!

[@nathanspalink5438]

Oh yeah happy Friday boys!!

[@minibikemadman]

Santa's village baby. NH always has the good shit.

[@DanEBoyd]

Relaxed idle...

[@kleetus92]

That 6-110 sounds like a baby 567 locomotive engine with a turbo supercharger on it. Very cool!

[@Huntinghogs]

Both of those would be cool in a old truck.

[@joshjones3408]

The frist time i have seen a 6-110 set up like that....or i think i might have seen one way mini.moons ago i just dent know what i was looking at...👍👍👍👍👍 Yon sound like nickles Gage in face off when he'd say peach 😆😆

[@TheMrDarius]

I’m in disbelief that chain actually held!? That thing needs to be retired and put on the wall to pay homage

[@Ol2Stroker]

Bahahahaha same here man

[@danielrenovetz5721]

The 6110 doesn't sound like any 2 stroke ever heard before,. The big old Murphy was so popular with Northwest shovels and cranes .In the late '50s, the shovel operator Freddy Banks would load my Euclid dump truck at Cobleskill Stone with the Murphy .

[@B0RN2RACE100]

I been searching for years if anyone ever did a centrifugal blower on a 2 stroke. Always wondered if it helped with efficiency. Never got any luck, now I’m going to research this and see if there’s any engineering papers on its blower

[@genesmith7151]

Put that in an old GMC 9500 long nose! 😁 I also worked with a rock crusher that had a 4 cylinder Murphy for the power, and it was bigger (dimensions) than yours. 😀

[@jimtom8273]

Why is it that regular people can't say fuck, but u can sing about all kinda nasty shit and its fuckin art

[@73Datsun180B]

the world sure is getting pretty fucked!

[@WhiteTrashMotorsports]

As a gen x'er, swearing is an artform.

[@Ol2Stroker]

People are fuckin pussies.

[@ThePigslayer]

That tach needs to be calculated. It can only tell you how fast the shaft is turning on the tach itself. That speed will depend on what diameter you are checking in against. A 6” diameter and 10” diameter will be turning at the same rpm, but the surface of the 10” will be much faster

[@josephpadula2283]

If you want to see one check with your local rail road museum and ask them if they have a Budd RDC Rail Diesel Car . Each had two under the car.

[@fullraph]

29:55 holy shit this thing was purchased like 30 minutes from my place!

[@erietrawler5463]

I bought it from a guy in Lancaster, NH

[@fullraph]

@@erietrawler5463 I meant originally purchased haha

[@samgiles410]

James is hilarious 😂

[@carwashadamcooper1538]

The Murphy sounds like she's hitting on 4 and a half, but it still fires up nice!

[@dash456789]

Sounds like a baby emd ❤

[@michaels.ramsey7803]

That's an oil cooler under the radiator.

[@78trav]

Would have been 5 minutes sooner if the goddam elecchicken hooked the fuckin battery up right! 😂

[@scottgardner6542]

What a treat!

[@TozziWelding]

I have a video of a Murphy at my friends sawmill posted here

[@newjerseybill3521]

using the hand tach you had, you need to know the OD of the harmonic balancer to figure the RPM ratio between the balancer and the tach wheel to figure out what it is indicating

[@cullen9017]

Ol murphys. run all day on a gallon of fuel. An outfit I worked at had one running I thought it was a 100kw gen to power a crushing spread

[@mikeanderson7206]

Sounds good a want one just to start up and listen too. Or heck even make generator work for my village

[@mikeanderson7206]

They both sound freaking good

[@Jyarber102]

You said they failed as a truck engine back in the day but it would been so road friendly its damn near quite as a DEF engine

[@Romans--bo7br]

The 110 engine did Not fail as a truck engine (other than the weight issue of the era)... it was the Centrifugal Blower speed, that was the issue..... which is why they redesigned the block for a Roots blower, which went into production in the latter half of 1955.

[@onefastslimjim]

I don't think the tachometer reading you guys got was accurate. Since the tachometer was designed to run on the snout of the crank, meaning the tach shaft is running 1/1 with the engine crank, and you had that little disc on it, you were essentially over driving the tachometer, since the tachometer disc is smaller than the harmonic balancer. This means you would've been getting a much higher reading than what the engine was actually spinning. I think that 1200 rpm reading you guys got was more like 800-900 from how it sounded. It also means you weren't actually over speeding the engine, so yay for that lol. You might be able to get a direct reading if the genhead has a shaft nubbin sticking out the back end of it.

[@bnkwupt]

Dang. Haven’t seen Matt Whitbread in a while. Hey, bud! 👋

[@Ol2Stroker]

He's out to my place all the time!

[@bnkwupt]

Nice. We go way back to the VW TDI days. Tell him Lawson says hi. Love your videos!

[@SlickWilly79]

Nunky Wayno is the maino muchacho

[@jasonholloway2476]

Hot dang!! Now that youve done a 1-71 and now 6-110, I believe those are the two rarest models of DD's! Correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't you also acquired a 12v-53?

[@Romans--bo7br]

No.... the Rarest DD, is the series 51 (2 & 4 cyl.).

[@justingray3456]

It would be awesome to build a rat rod truck that has the 6 110 Detroit in it. It weighs slightly more than the 6 71 I'm sure.

[@MustangBranden]

If the diameters of the wheels of the crank and tach are different it will be overdriven or under driven. You need to go center of the pulley so it’s 1:1

[@bigcal36]

cool i have 2 roots 110s

[@kalvinlabuik3366]

looked up the 6-110 Jimmy made in 1945-65 because AC HD-20 dozer cat had the Detroit 6-110 in it an Euclid dump truck

[@turnerfleet3966]

should switch the pinwheel out for a procharger style supercharger to reliably get some more rpm’s out of it and throw it in an old autocar constructor or something like that

[@flir67man84]

That detriot sounded like a 70’s uk 2 valve train locomotive engine. Or a old 60’a rs3 diesel locomotive

[@paulziegler3558]

Resembles a EMD.

[@danielseelye6005]

Hey Wayne, what's happened to your "Smokey and the Bandit" intro? I'm good with you doing the preview clips before jumping in, but i just enjoy seeing and hearing "Mossy" or "Bertha".

[@kalvinlabuik3366]

the Murphy was used in Bucyrus Draglines my late Uncle Jim had one in his as matter a fact that's why he bought that dragline to get away from that screamin demon Jimmy and the big Bucyrus was bigger with 6cylinder Murphy

[@johnk5577]

sweet, next odd ball is an 8v149?

[@joshjones3408]

That one man whit them....am Virginia highway patrol..sun glasses.... 😆 His real name's ice man ant it ....i bet he got a f14 stashed around there somewhere... 😆 😆 😆 Lol

[@joemaser9122]

Wayno is it true that the firing order on a 110 is different than a 71?

[@at_3831]

I have a 6-110 blower off a tug genset w a cracked block

[@Ol2Stroker]

Centrifugal or roots?

[@at_3831]

@@Ol2Stroker roots

[@at_3831]

@@Ol2Stroker roots it’s the same style on my 353 in my timberjack 225

[@peterbiltfan5]

44:53 dude u gotta put a washing machine on that thing

[@rockyrivermushrooms529]

I want one

[@JonathanSparks-ht4vq]

So can we declare this engine to be the precursor to the Detroit Series-60 engine???

[@0123-v1o]

Holy sweet fiddlers fuck, does that thing ever sound nice

[@mikemartin1532]

Well its official u just made some tree huggers cry lmao

[@jarvislarson6864]

Surprised to see an old jagabi hand tach

[@joemaser9122]

Wayno how about a 268A straight 8 big iron

[@waxore1142]

Jebus. It only takes one drunk dude to figure a gauge out.

[@Grizzlydarkk44]

How do I order the new hoodie

[@prevost8686]

👍👍👍

[@carldrexler7883]

For all intents and purposes the 6 110 wouldn’t be practical now, at 4000lbs and 275 hp and 1000 lbs of torque it truly would be a boat anchor, mabe back in the 50s even then there were more powerful and practical engines available

[@damienodonohue1327]

I think with more modern Detroit 2stroke technology, ie DDEC , intercooling, or aftercooling there is ample room for a substantial boost to its 347turbo hp rating !! IMO👍