1964 Cheltenham Gold Cup Arkle and Mill House.avi

Arkle and Mill House

[@eugenekeher978]

Arkle no superlatives could do him justice , I was a kid but I ll never forget him , nobody will., Mill House and Pas Seul were great quality horses in their own right , Arkle was asked to give three stone away in handicaps and did so easily , breathtaking , unbelievable , unforgettable., the greatest ever .

[@roberto4001000]

ARKLE was the greatest set of hooves ever to grace a racecourse jumps/flat you name it, he was the best .....

[@beverleymorris167]

Kings nephew once beat mill House at kempton, Pas Seoul won a gold cup, a few runners but a quality race

[@tonyb6395]

Yes he most certainly was something else don't think he will ever be equalled

[@mikevolante7663]

The great Peter O, said Arkle was a freak of nature he was that good. Despite all, he was my boyhood hero so in my heart he will always be the best. Millhouse was a magnificent horse.

[@harryjananto9766]

This is 59.yrs ago...Damned how time zoom past...what a horse Arkle is...👍👍👍

[@tomcollopy2726]

"Arkle" The greatest of them all.

[@leesog3203]

The way he got up that hill was incredible! What a monster of a horse! Probably the best ever! :)

[@roberto4001000]

No probably about it mate ......

[@indiana146]

@@roberto4001000 certain

[@davidwallace6031]

Nothing would ever have beat himself at level weight even if he gave them a half furlong start

[@tobin2]

Fantastic race to watch in full thanks for the upload. Also a great piece of race commentary from Peter O Sullevan he really was a class act.

[@alanmcdonald4423]

Mill House, Arkle, Pas Seul, King's Nephew...repeat...repeat... THEN Arkle.............

[@BritishRaceCaller]

@@alanmcdonald4423 I am a commentator (call about 170 days a year in the US) there are times when you don't need to embellish. This was one of them. Peter O'Sullevan was a great commentator for most of his career.

[@Gos1234567]

@@BritishRaceCaller Yea a lot of commentators these days just dont even take a break and give you info you dont need to know during the race,jockey/trainer form and all that,no need for it.Nice to just watch the race here without constant babbling

[@moyajanko6642]

Precious video. Super images. Thanks to Eddie Cr. XXXX

[@tonymaxwell949]

true champion we will never see a better champ

[@patmcc7758]

We're very proud of Arkle in Ireland.

[@tonymahon5025]

And Rightfully so.

[@jeffreyharris3887]

We're all very proud of him outside Ireland as well.He was a real Champion and the Greatest ever on the turf

[@stateofdreams1]

Even with only four runners, you rarely see races as good as this. Mill House really took the race to Arkle from the start, setting a good strong gallop, he always seemed to be going the better of the two till the last two fences. Arkle had pulled hard for much of the race which often takes it out of a horse. But he was a real machine, he had to be really because Mill House was a machine himself at this stage of his career. All credit to Arkle, though, that he still had the energy to pull away on the run in after all the pulling he had done. A great performance by this greatest of steeple chasers.

[@mathszme285]

The further this race recedes into the past the more iconic it becomes. We often hear people say if Arkle were to be around today would he win as much. I'd turn it around and say if we sent today's best back to 1964 would they beat Arkle. The answer is no.

[@chrispenny3965]

😘

[@livetwice7702]

Mill House was magnificent, such a fantastic athletic horse , it’s such a pity he had Arkle racing against him

[@chriscolton6329]

To win a hat trick of a Gold Cup, Hennessy and King George VI, all as a 6 year old, was extraordinary. Mill House really was a tremendous horse, bless him...

[@Stephen-gl5wu]

Arkle the best chaser of all time people that no anything about horseracing in Ireland they still know who arkle is he is the legend himself bring on royal ascot tomorrow brilliant horse

[@raekiesha]

This race is the Holy Grail of horse racing. Arkle's greatest race and what a battle with his old enemy Mill House. Anyone with the slightest interest in horse racing - pull up a chair and just watch PURE HISTORY happen infront of your eyes. We are now in 2011, in 5011 - they will still be talking about Arkle and this race. Many thanks putting this one up - you should get a Noble Peace Prize for this FULL RACE upload. Brilliant !

[@raekiesha]

This is one of the holy grail races of racing history - thank you, thank you, thank you

[@user-mw1tt5mm9q]

I remember seeing this live and the thrill of seeing the ultimate power house Arkle. I have never seen a horse like him before or since. To put him into perspective, he would beat Bravemansgame who got beat today by over 40 lengths in a hack canter. I would seriously doubt that Bravemansgame would get within 10 lengths of him receiving 2 stone. Mill House was another great chaser but with the misfortune of coming along at the same time as Arkle. Old Pas Seul the veteran and 1960 Gold Cup winner, as a younger horse he loved to dominate a race. Great race and we sure as hell don’t get horses like this anymore. The greatest horses in the 60’s.

[@bugandflea]

Great race and great champions. Thanks for posting.

[@abrahamcat]

Arkle had so much left in the tank at the end.

[@PaulGibbons13]

Great horse and a great race.

[@chrishodgson6302]

Great video. Thanks for sharing it.

[@chrisstorey4197]

It shows O'Sullevan's talent as a journalist that he references the similarities between this and the other big talking point of the time....the defeat of one great champion by one who was to prove the greatest.

[@alastor2322]

the famed horse race and it sure looked crack to me-the two titans served up a race that was worthy of the hype-probably the best two Cheltenham chasers of all time

[@jimboslice4468]

Arkle quickened like it was a 2 mile chase after the last

[@LilithCharles]

Arkle and Millhouse what grand steeple chasers! Fantastic!

[@tonymaxwell949]

Best race horse ever

[@roberto4001000]

Absolutely

[@johnlivesey7892]

I feel bad for Mill House,he was a outstanding horse, Timeform rating of 192. In any other time he probably would have won 3,or4,Gold Cups.....

[@PaulGibbons13]

fantastic video great thank you for uploading it.

[@johnoconnell1752]

Ankle was out jumped but still won easily. Injured at his peak.no horse has been as comparable since.

[@beverleymorris167]

And pulled pat taafes arms out all way round!!

[@annnn766]

The race is in black and white, the jockeys kit looks cumbersome, the commentary, is staid, but, but, but the horses look the same as they do today! Enjoying, fighting, loving RACING

[@ThefightingCelt]

Fulke Walwyn , trainer of Mill House , said that on the day he never had the horse in better shape , and wouldn't hear of defeat for his champion chaser , whom he rated the best he had ever trained . He was so confident that Mill House would win that the idea that any horse ( even Arkle ) could lower his colours was simply ludicrous . After the race , Walwyn still couldn't comprehend how Arkle could beat Mill House so decisively . But then , Arkle was no ordinary horse .

[@roberto4001000]

It was just the English pompous attitude that they are the best and they can't be beaten , that's until the Irish turn up ...Arkle is the best racehorse to ever grace a racecourse flat/jumps ....the BEST HIMSEL F .....

[@dazgregs]

@@roberto4001000 pompous attitude? Have a word...

[@neilcarpenter2669]

​@@roberto4001000 unnecessary.

[@roberto4001000]

​@@neilcarpenter2669it's true the English use to laugh at the thought of the Irish beating them at anything ....it's very different now a days we have surpassed you .

[@Mike20216]

Wonderful!!!!

[@EddieCr]

Nice to see bookmakers using my videos

[@veritypowell4100]

How keen was arkle early on

[@112sje]

It's a few years now since I last saw this clip but it still looks good. It looks like the race was run on Cheltenham's old course but today it is run on the new course. It would be interesting to know what year it changed.

[@silenusmeduseon8814]

Marvellous. I have never seen Arkle pull so hard, or make so many chancy jumps?

[@alanmcdonald4423]

Not so sure about the chancy jumps. He did tend to treat fences with disdain. I have ridden hard pulling horses (not any where near this level on a racecourse) and it is not a lot of fun. It must be difficult when you have something like that under you.

[@beverleymorris167]

I thought so mate, he got close to a few and lost ground, pulled hard, and still produced, he was still a comparative novice at this stage. He improved a good stone or more next season.

[@gazowenowen250]

The greatest ever compere best mate kauto star denman desert orchid my favorite horse he's even rated nearly 30 pounds superior to best mate he's been dead 50 years still no one rated higher evidence there

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices Dont forget Kauto was injured as a novice back in these days likely he would never have raced again. Kauto is a great horse best of his era though Denman for me is the better horse. Each of the the true greats Arkle Dessie and Kauto should be celebrated for what they achieved Kauto is the luckiest races today are framed to help the good horses so they dont need to struggle in handicaps both the others proved greats at both handicap and level weight contests.

[@jamiebury1807]

Wow crazy race

[@elwynrichards185]

I agree with most of your comments, mervyncharter, but I'm not so sure that even at his peak, Flyingbolt would have beaten Arkle at level weights, particularly over an extended 3 miles. Over 2 miles it would have been a different story, perhaps. In any case, Dreaper had the two greatest post war chasers in his yard, and that is still true today, in 2012.

[@beverleymorris167]

Pat taaffe in his book said " Arkle with a bit in hand"

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices Dont even get me started over Kauto's so called unequalled 2 mile domination Dessie contested his Tingle Creeks conceding an average of 2 stone + all round every year not level weight contests or else Dessie would have had at least 3 Tingle Creeks to his name. Kauto is racing in a time when races are framed to help the best horses and rightly so and he sets a modern standard but Denman proved he also had the class of the old type chaser too Kauto never did or will.

[@jordansinclair281]

Intense race!

[@ramierechristiane]

Quel crack cet Arkle. Il n'y a eut que Red Rum pour lui être comparé.

[@elwynrichards185]

My top 5 chasers of all time would be 1. Arkle 2. Golden Miller 3. Flyingbolt 4. Prince Regent 5. Mill House. The chaser of the modern era wouldn't have been good enough to have coped with the 5 I have named, IMO.

[@RandyWatson69]

Because you are old and cannot accept change.

[@roberto4001000]

@@RandyWatson69 Tell us your top 5 please ???

[@beverleymorris167]

@@roberto4001000 golden miller only beat hunters, got beat too many times.

[@mervyncharter]

The Only Horse that gets in the Argument with Arkle as the Greatest steeplechaser at their peak is the unlucky Flyingbolt. His performances in the 1965/66 were almost identical to Arkle in that they were beating the same horses by the same distances giving virtually the same weight. I read somewhere that a work rider of Dreapers at the time actually quietly said that Flyingbolt could beat Arkle at levels. What a Shame they did not meet in the 1966 or `67 Gold Cup.

[@thomaslogue7773]

arkle was having his first run giving 3 stone to height of fashion but flyingbolt was a great horse but over 3 mile arkle would beat him

[@beverleymorris167]

The jockey ( pat taaffe) Not the work rider, said Arkle with a bit in hand. The jockey new the horse better than anyone.

[@tonymcgrath700]

Arkle was superb of course but all credit to Mill House who kept on galloping right to the end, it wasn't as easy as most people think for Arkle who had to be rousted along all the way up the straight

[@mizofan]

Mill House was great, Arkle was magnificent and Desert Orchid my favourite.

[@EddieCr]

@112sje Best Mate good horse but faced nothing of any note quality wise. Injury does play a big part if Dessie had been in Arkles era he wouldnt have run often Kauto / Denman likely would have been retired due to his leg injury / heart scare, thats the type of things that makes it difficult to establish bests of the best. 2000s are so lucky in having a modern Arkle / Mill House to keep the racing bug jumping wise debated and rightly so. Long live our legends memories.

[@fawltyoldboybasil.2178]

Quite amusing to read some of the comments left by 'certain parties' regarding recent champions being better than Arkle. Despite all of the evidence of his superiority, despite all of the testimonials from trainers & jockeys (living or dead) about his superiority, despite the facts that no other horse has ever won a top class steeplechase conceding the weigth he did - still they line up to don the "I shot JR" t-shirt!

[@raborian]

+Fawltyoldboy Basil. Ah no,, i thought that tissue prices knew his stuff tho hahahaha

[@barbaradyson6951]

Er arkle is not the greatest sc. That accolade belongs to GOLDEN MILLER.

[@shaunspadah5790]

how can u say golden miller was better than arkle, they ran in different eras, in the 35 gold cup he only just held off a horse called thomond 2 at level weights, dont think thomond was high class, he also ran badly in most of his grand nationals, completely unsuited to aintree

[@barbaradyson6951]

@@shaunspadah5790 you make me laugh, you obviously know nothing about horse racing thomond you reckon was not good, er, try reading your history, GM carried top weight in most of his races, plus the GN he won he set a record, also the CGC was run over a shorter distance than the one GM won, this where you know nothing about horses, fences were different in GMs day, go away i get tired of twerps like you.

[@barbaradyson6951]

@@daveh438 another twerp who knows nothing about horse racing. Well I never knew GM & arkle are from a different era.

[@davidmorrissey1162]

To pull that hard and then go up the hill like that against a 191 rated chaser, is head shaking stuff. Imagine any horse doing that to Sprinter Sacre at his peak. That’s what you’re talking about here.

[@celticlofts]

1964 and it still gives me goosebumps..

[@gazowenowen250]

All those people that compere best mate kauto star denman dessie (my hero) only dessie can compere to him cos they both carried big weights in handicaps also they framed 2 handicaps for arkle one if he ran one if he didn't the best without question

[@mizofan]

Dessie the hero, yes

[@pauljones8057]

Mill house was as good a chaser as any since, but arkle was in a class of his own.

[@barbaradyson6951]

Paul Jones, bet you didn't know mill house suffered from back problems. The greatest STEEPLECHASET WAS GOLDEN MILLER.

[@roberto4001000]

@@barbaradyson6951 Arkle was the best chaser ever , would destroy golden miller ....

[@odonnchada9994]

☘️💚🇮🇪🐎

[@ftorres93]

To be a legend you first have to beat a great horse. The reason Arkle is top rated IMO is on the strength that he ran and won his 3 CGC, his handicap victories thou shall not ever be repeated due to the changes in handicapping can be at least matched by his stable companion Flyingbolt, who never ran in the CGC. Since those days there is only a few chasers that I think should be considered in the same breath , in no particular order, Captain Christy, Burrough Hill Lad and Desert Orchid,. Also I put Badsworth Boy into the mix. The so called modern day heroes like Kauto Star never had to burden big weights in handicaps, even Denman's exploits in the Hennessey were in what I call Limited handicap conditions, weights are compressed to favour the better horses. Then we have the best who never won a CGC like Crisp , Pendil and Wayward Lad. Pre Arkle days we had the likes of Easter Hero, Golden Miller, Prince Regent and Cottage Rake.

[@beverleymorris167]

He got his top rating for his Gallagher gold cup win.....the greatest performance by a chaser ever,!!!

[@beverleymorris167]

Badsworth boy is the best 2 miler since flyingbolts champion chase...his first win was Arkle like...32 lengths I think, quality field. He also won giving 12-7 in handicaps..... sprinter sacre shouldn't be above him.

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices I added the Beef or Salmon as a modern day example winning a grade 1 being a crap level of stardom but thats how it seems to be rated. Denman for me will always be the better Gold Cup horse simply because he performs much better of the pair there and so the better stayer. Kauto is the quicker of the 2 but in a true run Gold Cup didnt truely stay view any footage of him in them and he never fully got home. Both are the best for many years but no better than the greats

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 kauto is the only horse ever to be rated the highest over all distances in the same season, denman would not even dare lineup in a 2mile race and your teling me he is a better horse?

[@craigpope8580]

They went no gallop whatsoever

[@EddieCr]

@112sje I agree to a degree but drop the gade 1 stuff its so modern biased. Kauto would have won less than half his grade 1s in Dessies time never mind Arkle's why coz they were either handicaps and he wouldnt have in them run or they didnt exist. Dont give Kauto such praise too in his oh he was so good over so many seasons at the highest level Dessie raced in Grade 1s from 5 to 12 over hurdles as well as fences. Statrs Dessie 71 starts Kauto 40 who had it tougher?

[@johnkimber776]

A great race a great horse and a great commentator. Arkle is regarded as the best ever but Flyingbolt was nearly the equal. Mill House was a champion but born in the wrong era. Dessie Kauto & Denman were top Gold Cup horses but not in the same league as Arkle & Flyingbolt. At this moment in time A Plus Tard and Galvin are the two favourites for this years gold cup which goes to show how poor the current crop are.

[@beverleymorris167]

Burrough hill lad when at his best Was better than kauto.....as his Hennessy under 12 stone attests. Kauto star tried twice to give meagre weight and failed both times.

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices You were the one that mentioned pace not me Kauto as I said is trained in a different time and regime to Arkle ond or Dessie I just mentioned Grand Crus as a leveller to highlight so called simple speed means jack shit. When Denman won his Gold Gup yes it almost killed him but not enough to stop him coming back and beating that same horse last year but oh Kauto wasnt right again all last year neither was Denman. Both are greats but not the greatest.

[@112sje]

Let's be grateful we've had all these great staying chasers to enjoy over the years. Denman was a better Gold Cup horse than Kauto Star because he beat him in in three of the four Gold Cups they raced together. Kauto is the better all round chaser because of the variety of courses on which he can race and, hence the more Grade 1 chase wins. To maintain such a high standard over so many seasons is a terrific achievement while Arkle's career was cut short by leg injuries. Don't forget Best Mate !

[@beverleymorris167]

Henrietta knight said in Horse and hound when asked who was the best... " Arkle was the best horse she ever saw"

[@112sje]

@@beverleymorris167 I have heard people in the know in Ireland suggest that Flyingbolt was even better than Arkle. They were both before my time so I can't comment.

[@beverleymorris167]

@@112sje pat taafe said Arkle...by at least a stone, and he actually said Millhouse was the second best he rode. The jockey Who rid them all new best.

[@112sje]

@@beverleymorris167 I never knew Pat Had a ride on Mill House. Credit to his connections for keep taking Arkle on.

[@shaunspadah5790]

my money was on kings nephew

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices I didnt say Denman was the most versatile of the pair just the better over their distance. Kauto is very Dessie like in that he could dominate 2 to 3 miles + but he certainly wasnt Dessies superior again its different eras If the Tingle Creek and Victor Chandler would have been grade 1s in Dessies day he would have walked them year in and out even though he beat Panto Prince in the best Victor Chandler ever giving him 22lbs no less. Could Kauto erm nar id say

[@beverleymorris167]

Kauto only gave weight twice and was beaten both times!!

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices Denman wasnt a 2 miler either way round he was a grinder stayer and if your crabbing him for that how many Hennessies would Kauto win ZERO is the answer he was a speedster. Kauto beat Denman on his favoured ground in the Gold Cup next year Denman blew him away on his and last year beat him yet again when both tried to burn off Long Run. You can only really rate them both at Cheltenham as both performed highlty there.

[@112sje]

@bluemanc43 I agree that Dessie's record over 8 seasons merits immense respect. He could have won some of Kauto's King Georges but wouldn't have beaten him going left-handed. Unlike Arkle & Dessie, Kauto doesn't have any big handicap wins under top weight & I doubt if he would have won Denman's two Hennessys under the same weights. The best weight carrying performance has to be Red Rum in the 1974 National, conceding 1lb to l'Escargot. Top weight now is 11-10; Rummy won it with 12-0!

[@mizofan]

Poor Crisp was magnificent in 73 and would have beaten Red Rum but for the weight.

[@112sje]

@@mizofan Yes, no compressed weights then. The unluckiest loser apart from Devon Loch. 23lbs to the greatest Grand National horse ever and lost by less than a length. At least he won the rematch with Rummy at level weights, at Doncaster. The bravest weight carrying performance has to be Suny Bay in 1998, conceding the same to Earth Summit on heavy going.

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 can you tell me how many tingle creeks denman won? how many times he won going the other way? going on good ground, denman only had 2yrs at the top, kauto 7. Ruby walsh and nicholls both say kauto is better, as do many others. when denman beat kauto he wasnt right, the true difference between the 2 was show in 09goldcup when he won by 13lengths, a rout. denman can only win going one way over one trip and on soft ground, one tricky pony

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 exactly denman could only preform at 3mile+ and on softish ground, forget last year that wasnt kauto, kauto started before denman and finises after him, hennesy is a grade 2 it does not compare to grade1 king george, look at kautos recrd 5 king george - record 4 betfair chase - record 2 tingle creek (2m) 2 gold cups - only horse ever to regain the gold cup 16 grade 1s. yes denman was a good horse but when you compare what the two have achieved then there is only 1 winner

[@nickmorrow5216]

At level weights Arkle miles ahead ...Arkle giving 3 stone streets ahead ..

[@barbaradyson6951]

Nick morrow bullshit he never gave 3 stone and the best CHASER WAS GOLDEN MILLER.

[@nickmorrow5216]

@@barbaradyson6951... Don't think the 'Bullshit' comment was appropriate... yes The Miller was a class act, but at level weights Arkle, in my opinion, would have seen Golden Miller off, but alas we'll never know....

[@nickmorrow5216]

In the Gallagher Gold Cup he gave Mill House 16 lbs, and only 2 years before Mill House was dupped the horse of the century, n knocked 17 seconds off the course record, a record that has stood for 53 years

[@barbaradyson6951]

@@nickmorrow5216 could have should have etc but its only your opinion . unless arkle had won 5 Cheltenham gold cups then possible, but he didnt nor did he run in the grand national, plus the biggest factor, the fences changed and the Cheltenham gold cup the distance was shortened. So arkles 17 seconds record needs to be looked at regarding the distance of the race.

[@nickmorrow5216]

@@barbaradyson6951.... Kinda get the impression you are a angry person, dunno why... if you are a lover of the sport of kings,all top horses, regardless of era should be appreciated n yes The Miller is up there, like you say his record speaks for itself ... Arkle's course record was set at Sandown Park

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 winning a grade 1 is one thing, winning the king george and gold cup is another. beef or salmon couldnt do iether, and denman only managed one. if denman is greater the kauto then why can he only win one type of race? denman was a plodder, had no turn of foot, kauto has everything, dont forget almost every expert in the industry says kauto is the best ever nevermind better then denplod

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 kauto is rated higher then masterminded and denman

[@richarddelaney7273]

1976 Gold cup

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 denman better then kauto? wwhat are you smoking? they are the same age, raced in the same era, yet katuo has achieved so much more, yet for you denman is the better horse?

[@Arazi124]

Desert Orchid and Kauto Star are the 2 best 3m chasers I've seen since getting into racing in 1989. At their peak around a left handed track i'd favor KS, on a right-handed track i think it would have been very close. Ever since i've gotten into racing it's been sacrilege to mention any horse in the breath as Arkle. I understand why he is rated the best but I have a very hard time believing that he could have given between 20lbs & 30lbs and a beating to DO & KS around Kempton.

[@EddieCr]

@arkleno1 Have to agree Kauto is the modern day Arkle, Dessie marker and if pushed in between Arkle Dessie probably also Captain Christy and One Man. All were by far the best jumpers and speediest perfomers of their day and their day being it. Each was trained to the best available standards of their times nobody knows how they would cope in another era certainly Kauto wouldnt have raced again beyond his Exeter fall in any bar Dessies era.

[@beverleymorris167]

No....kauto was kauto......not anywhere near arkles mark

[@roberto4001000]

kauto couldnt give weight away and win

[@beverleymorris167]

@@roberto4001000 exactly...4lbs to monkerhostin....lost,beat 4 length. And I think a stone to Monet's garden..lost beat 1 1/2 length ....if he were a Arkle, he should have won these races.

[@thomasgowdy7387]

One man didn't stay the gold cup distance to mention him in the same breath as Arkle or any other horse in the same breath as Arkle I know you don't really have any idea of horse racing

[@beverleymorris167]

@@thomasgowdy7387 👍👍 none of them he mentions would get Arkle off the bridle at level weights! Saw them all run, Arkle was a phenomenon!

[@johnwedgbury6817]

On a form line with Height O'Fashion, Flyingbolt was greater than Arkle. People don't like hearing that, but if Arkle had beat Height O'Fashion by further and giving more weight that would be another string to his bow. Truth is Flyingbolt gave more weight and a bigger beating to him.

[@garrywilson7676]

Arkle gave 42lb to Height of fashion in the 1966 Leopardstown chase, Splash also received 42 lb and was beaten 15 lengths into third. Flyingbolt gave Height of fashion 40lb in the 1966 irish national and beat her 2 lengths, splash received 42 lb and was beaten 10 lengths. You need to some research!!

[@EddieCr]

@joiganja Dawn Run best mare by far ever but she proved in her limited chase carear she wasnt a great jumper and would have fell in a truely top class field.

[@alanmcdonald4423]

Wrong. The best mare ever, and I do mean since racing began, was the mare Beeswing. She was a flat racer, not a jumper, but her record is far superior to that of any other mare, and almost all geldings that have ever raced. You will need to do your own research for her racing record. Please be good enough to post it here after you have seen it. Just as an aside, see how many extremely famous racehorses trace back to her along the top line through her son Newminster. Anybody with an interest in horses has to know about Beeswing.

[@EddieCr]

@mayess277 Different times dont forget Kauto was injured as a novice back in these days likely he would never have raced again. Kauto is a great horse best of his era though Denman for me is the better horse. Each of the the true greats Arkle Dessie and Kauto should be celebrated for what they achieved Kauto is the luckiest races today are framed to help the good horses so they dont need to struggle in handicaps both the others proved greats at both handicap and level weight contests.

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices Dont need to be smoking anything Denman hammered Kauto twice in the Gold Cup including when having a badly interupted preparation. Kauto is a great horse I aint doubting that but to slate these old greats is rediculous they were trained in a different way to modern performers but were just as dominant in their time and raced far more frequently and under much more testing race conditions akin to Denman.

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices Oh please your old enough to know that last comment is a total joke Kauto has spent his carear trying to better the grey and if he was a plodder then you really need to look again at your values neither Arkle or Dessie were plodders they dominated in far tougher times and race patterns than Kauto has ever met or will. Another point if Kauto is so great how come Grand Crus ran a quicker time overC+D as a novice in the Feltham does that make him the better horse??????

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices yawn yawn level weight contests are only a modern invention you cant compare old generations too them. Kauto like i have said is a great horse that any modern 1 can be rated against and his rating is backed up by Denman who proved they were rated about right due to his great handicap performances. But as as i recently said to someone else Beef Or Salmon won 10 Grade 1s but wouldnt win a seller over here need i say more.

[@bengash7593]

Nuf sed

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 true run gold cup doesnt stay? what rubbish, what has won 2 gold cups, and denman was in one of them, how can a horse win a race in which he deosnt stay, complete bollox

[@TissuePrices]

@bluemanc43 Kauto Star is better then both these plodders you mention, but dont take my word for it take the opnion of champ trainer p nicholls, or jumps legend ruby walsh. they have trained and ridden both, denman not in kauto league

[@darrenbaker6834]

Arkle wouldn't win the foxhunters at Cheltenham.. no competition them days small fields...Denham would start 1/14 against arkle

[@tonysowerby758]

No doubting both there talent but be honest any horse who jumped well and had pace like best mate or even dessie at his best could of taken lengths out of them they hit so many

[@roberto4001000]

The problem you'd have there matey is it would be best mate playing catch up, not the deluded way you see it .

[@tonysowerby758]

Not saying arkle wasn't good but most races were almost walkovers and hard to weigh up and as far as deluded comment fuck sake if you don't want to smell crap remove head from ass others have a right to view not just mouth on a pole

[@tonysowerby758]

If you want the real best golden miller would have bounced arkle

[@EddieCr]

@TissuePrices Have to revert to your reply ask Nicholls he wouldnt even admit Master Minded was officially their better as the rating suggest yet neither Kauto or Denman ever matched a performance to match his first Champion chase win yet are we saying Master Minded is the best horse of all time or he would leave Arkle for dead?? Flying Bolt in the 60s was the closest Master Minded could be compared to but even he was rated slightly behind Arkle.

[@20sachetsperpack]

Fixed.

[@ArchStantonify]

Haha it surely was a fix. Himself was in flying form, the rest never stood a chance.

[@garrygreatbatch117]

Must av been good horse jockey was crap his style was shocking

[@TissuePrices]

there is no way that any of these horses could live with Kauto!

[@roberto4001000]

ARKLE would give kauto two stone and a ten length beating .

[@michaeljenkins8593]

dessie would have eaten kauto for breakfast

[@TissuePrices]

@Arazi124 quite simply he couldnt, arkle was a myth, created to to vitalize national hunt racing which was on its knees, trust me arkle could not live with kauto around kempton

[@mayess277]

look how slow they are going kauto would of lapped these !!

[@roberto4001000]

your precious kauto couldn't beat Monkerhostin giving him 4 pounds 🤣🤣 Arkle would give kauto two stone and still beat him .

[@mayess277]

@@roberto4001000 dream on ? Kauto would of thrashed arkle of the 60s Your precious arkle couldn’t beat mill house in the Hennessy receiving weight away 👍🏻

[@roberto4001000]

@@mayess277 🤣🤣🤣 ya sure fool ....Arkle beat millhouse 4 times giving him weight you twat 16lbs to be precise 😉

[@roberto4001000]

@@mayess277 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpLQnKWneKaYndU .....HERE HAVE SOME FACTS NUMPTY .

[@mayess277]

@@roberto4001000 1963 Hennessy who won it giving arkle weight 😁FACT king kauto 5 king George arkle 1 not in the same class

[@TheChrishoughton]

No doubt Arkle was the greatest of his era and until now, but Sprinter Sacre is about to take his crown away. All these great horses talked about here, including Arkle, made some serious jumping errors. Sprinter Sacre simply does not make serious errors and lands running at speed. This horse could win the Queen Mother on the Wednesday and then the Gold Cup on Friday, he is that good. He would certainly get 2m 6f and be that far ahead, they couldn't catch him. I just hope Nicky has a go at it.

[@RemontadaVv]

Chris Houghton idiot

[@4orrcountry]

Chris Houghton Whoever said people are smarter than hordes erred in your case...

[@roberto4001000]

Just ask Nicky who's the best horse he's ever seen , his answer will be ARKLE, you 🤡🤡