1970-81 Camaro Wiper Switches and Hidden Wipers

In this vid we will look at several wiper switches used on 1970-81 second generation Camaros for the hidden wiper option.
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[@jmiles1960]

Just wanted to say "Thank You" again for this excellent video and your detailed knowledge. I duplicated your wiring setup and was able to troubleshoot my wiper motor on the bench and found the problem was the "park switch". You saved me many hours and dollars! I was able to clean up the park switch with electronic cleaner and it is going to "park" once again.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Awesome, glad to hear the video and channel helped.

[@olivierbuyer1358]

I'm a french owner of a 1975 camaro and i have several things to do on it. Thank you for your video, very clear, it helped me to make my wipers work again😉👍

[@DoubleRRestorations]

That is great. Hearing that makes these videos worth the time and effort to make them. Thanks for letting me know and watching.

[@gmot455]

OUR 76 Trans Am we just got had a toggle switch for the wipers. I got a couple switches off Ebay and your wiring diagram is a great help to me. I got it to move the wipers about 2 inches and then they stop and never move again. Working on it.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Did you get them working?

[@wyattoneable]

Not only are you a master at body work, your not bad at electrical! This will surely help a lot of people.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Wyatt. I hope it does help.

[@darrinsinger4231]

You should have been with us back in the late 80's replacing those switches, we got to learn the hard way of which switch went to what year of Camaro.. When the switches started going bad on mine and my friends Camaro's we went to the local junkyards and it was a lot of fun getting the right one out of the same year car in rural Ohio, the fan switches were fun also because they always went bad in the '70-'81 model and those were fun to replace also. Good memories, thanks Russ!!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I bet that was frustrating. Thanks Darrin. I wish there was still alot of these cars around for parts.

[@darrinsinger4231]

It wasn't that bad Russ, what was nice that my friends and I had different year cars so we had an idea about the smaller differences in them.. Me too my friend, the days of going down to the local buy here pay here and picking them up for less then a grand are long gone

[@photoshhere5]

Wipers in my 77 Firebird would not shut off. Prolonged voltage drops and instrument light flashing insanity. Then the diagrams and teaching you provided inspired me to jump the ground in the switch over to the body. Problem solved. Thank you for sharing your expertise. MT

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Glad the video helped!

[@jamesmartin2339]

Thanks for doing this video it will be a great help to the community. Our cars are rare enough now that just collecting the wiper switches to do this would be difficult.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

That is one reason I had so many switches, I had been collecting them for awhile. It had always been a confusing circuit for me. I hope it helps others. Thanks for watching.

[@robertmccully2792]

A good way to clean terminals ,plastic, and rubber is sand blast, with the harbor freight stand up blaster. Good video.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Great tip! A blaster is a must have tool for restoration work.

[@scottsienkiewicz8371]

Big help, Differences between switches and the fact that my power wire goes to the middle tab. Thanks!!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Glad it helped

[@williambrundage8503]

Any diagnostic info on the pulse delay system? 78-79. Switch #14001502. Mine runs with key on won't shut off, new seven terminal motor installed. Squirters want to run and it stays in high speed. Switch to high and it goes to low speed. No apparent shirts to ground in the harness.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Sorry William, I haven't worked on a pulse system yet.

[@jannekallio5047]

Thanks for the video! Helped me to understand few things and confirm my 128-switch is most likely broken. I know it is of course wrong, but I wonder if anyone making bigger modifications to their old Camaro has updated the whole switch to something more modern and relocated it from the dashboard. I would like something I can reach with my fingers from the steering wheel. My 72 Camaro has lot of new tech installed by the previous owners including a 2001 Corvette engine. It had also already a separate button for the washer added by the previous owner and it did not work even though the motor for wipers and washer was new. As I could not make the washer work and I prefer the washer to work continuously as long as I press a button, I already bypassed the pump and replaced with a modern pump. Motor for the wipers can stay original, but I am thinking if I could find a more modern and still good looking switch from some other car and replace the original one that is broken. I am currently making a new dashboard so this could be done at the same time maybe. Maybe I buy some used one and modify it to resemble the signal light switch. How to attach it to the base of the steering wheel remains open... but yeah, I wonder if anyone else has tried this before.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Awesome, glad to hear the video helped. I know some folks have added electric pumps to the motor.

[@TheOpenAirGarage]

More good and useful information. Getting shocked is definitely no fun. Nicely done!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

No fun at all, even if it is dc. lol. Thanks Stan

[@paulthompson1654]

hi Thanks for explaining . After doing some research myself wipers on GM are a disaster and take serious thought . Wait till u have an over seas GM car they are a complete mix of all the above . Yes my switch is identical to 186 terminal layout 2sp slide with separate washer push button

[@rogerstilwell7767]

Great Video Russ. A lot of good info and well explained. Who would have known there were that many switches for a Camaro.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Roger. Hopefully now I can get the gauge bezel I need and I will be ready when I get to that point.

[@kel5194]

A bit off topic, outdo you know what type of pins are inside the cluster circuit connector (12 pins).

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Not sure I follow. Are you talking about the 12 pin connection for the cluster?

[@kel5194]

Yes. I have since found those pins and have fixed it. I de-pinned and replaced the pins. Thank you for your reply.

[@80camaroguy10]

Are those other switches a direct replacement that will work in place of the OEM switch that they no longer make and if so what is the part number for the one that does delay? Thanks for all your help. Dave

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Dave, I don't have any experience with the units that have delay. I think you can make most of all these switches work with the correct wiring configuration. Thanks.

[@ta51503828]

Thank you for taking the time to make this great video. Can you tell me what could cause wipers to be stay running even with switch off? Mine are pulse type in a 79 with the squirt pump in the motor assembly. They started running all the time and wont stop.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I have never had any experience with a wiper system with pulse wipers. If the motor is similar to a regular one, it must go back to low speed before it can park. I guess it possible that it could be the switch, the motor or internal wiring. I would probably pull the motor and bench test it.

[@robertboyer2954]

Another awesome video that helps me out tremendously. So it looks like you can use any switch with the hidden wiper motor and the motor will still park the wiper blades?? Thanks.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thank you, and yes it just depends on the wiring. The motor must go back to low speed before it can park.

[@robertboyer2954]

Got it. Thank you very much sir. I don't suppose you had a video installing the bow style headliner in your Project Overkill???@@DoubleRRestorations

[@KenSellers]

Thanks, this video really helped with a total rewire of a 1980 Camaro. Same '549 switch as your '81. Testing with an ohmmeter, it seems a little shaky in the Low speed position (not reliable continuity). You mentioned having rebuilt some of these switches. Any chance you have a video on that, or one you like? Looking at mine, first thought is it would be easy to break the tabs holding it together. Thanks!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I don't have a vid on rebuilding the switch, but the one I rebuilt was pretty straightforward. Just be careful not to break the clips and when you first open, try to be as gentle as possible, not to lose the orientation of the parts inside. I hope it helps

[@jonathanbriceno4892]

Good morning friend, I would like to ask you a question. Have you worked with the GM 7835342 wiper switch? My case is the following. I have a 1982 Chevrolet Malibu and it uses that switch but I really can't get it to work. The wiper motor is generic, and I've already managed to identify the fast speed, slow speed, the positive, the negative, and the switch. and still can't get it to work. I would really appreciate your help my friend. greetings and a big hug from Venezuela and forgive my bad English.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Hey there, sorry, just saw this. Did you get it to work? I don't have any experience with that switch, but it should just switch the ground side of the circuit starting at low speed, then high, most motors have to go back to low speed before they can park. I hope it helps

[@indyme2]

Great info, Russ. Very complete and well presented. Thanks!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Indy!!

[@patrickpxt2805]

Hello , I own a 82 transam with the delay wiper and I wish I had your help . Can you tell me the wire connections to the delay relay?

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Unfortunately the delay system is the only one I haven't dealt with.

[@patrickpxt2805]

No problem thank you

[@Raizo950]

Is there a kit or way to swap out the 2 speed wiper system? 2 speed sucks, don't need to run all the time

[@DoubleRRestorations]

There could be something in the aftermarket, but I'm not aware of a kit

[@timmycolson7403]

Awesome video 👍. Just started Working on my wipers on my 78 T-top camaro, don’t know if the switch or motor is not working. I have power at the wiper fuse . Is there a wiring diagram for the wipers so I can chase and trace? Thanks for any help 👍

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Timmy, Sorry I don't happen to have a schematic. There are a few good ones on google images that may help. You could always take it out of the car and bench test it.

[@darwinponto9491]

Hi russ would you have assembly intructions to reassemble inside of the gear box I opened mine and a peice fell out Not sure where is goes Can you help

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Just saw this, I don't have assembly instructions, did you get it figured out?

[@darwinponto9491]

@@DoubleRRestorations Hi russ Yes u I did once I stared at or for a while it made sense Also found a picture so I could verify and to my surprise I did it correct I now just need to find the relay inside with the terminals on it this one is bad I would send a picture but not sure how

[@monteracer2008]

Thanks for the video- Can you tell me the wiring colors and where they go on a 131 switch? It has 5 wires total. Dark blue-Light blue-small black-large black-black with eyelet hole. Thanks for any help

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Unfortunately I have never worked with that switch. You should be able to use an ohm meter and figure out its pin out. I bet its similar to one in this vid. As for the colors, I don't have a schematic. I would try to use the ohm meter again and see which one goes where to the motor. The one with the eyelet will definitely be a case ground.

[@blueresendez]

Ive been looking for a video on this for 2 hrs and this is as close as i got.. (your video)!!.. you should meke a video on how to install old school GM wiper switches...

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Not sure on the Impala, but on the second gen Camaro the wiper switch is mounted to the gauge bezel using screws.

[@rickmorris3580]

Hey, I have a 1980 Camaro without pulse wiper switch that doesn't work. It's exactly the same as your #549. I haven't been able to find a new replacement. Any idea where I could get something that would fit? I can find used replacements online but they could be just as bad as the switch I have. Also, any idea what I'd need to do to convert my wipers to pulse? Thanks

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I have no experience with the pulse. I feel like it was a rare option on these cars. It is a completely different switch/motor. As for replacements, most likely you will have to go with a donor part. Sometimes you can find them on eBay with a 30 day money back option

[@rickmorris3580]

@@DoubleRRestorations Ok, thanks!

[@frankoberle7555]

Okay so I a 72 w/hidden wipers. Every switch you used seemed to put the wiper motor in "park". Am I looking at that wrong? It is near impossible to find a 72 hidden wiper switch and I am told the "standard" switch will not work. I have a t/a switch that I was told will work but I just wanted your humble advice before I mess up anything. Thanks for the video!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

It probably will work. I would take an ohm meter and see what the pin out of the switch is. Most likely it will be the same as one of the switches in the vid. You could always bench test it before trying it in the car. Your only switching the ground side of the circuit, so you should be safe from messing anything up. Basically the motor goes into low speed before it can go into high, then it must go back into low before it can park. Hope it works for you and you are correct, the hidden wiper switches are difficult to find.

[@frankoberle7555]

@@DoubleRRestorations Thank you brother! I will certainly try it.

[@thekinksman1]

Note the 1970 1971 RS Camaro [dash mounted] hidden windshield wiper switches .Part no.19904097 or part no.1994098 are different hook ups. Then the 1974 to 1981 ones

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Good to know. Thanks for sharing. There are a few more different switches for these cars, but I only tested the ones I had. Not sure why GM used so many. lol.

[@jasonhull5712]

Yeah that's what I'm learning.. I have the correct motor, correct #097 switch and I can't find any wiring diagrams or videos on it. I'm told it is the "rare" #097 switch... guess that's why I can't figure it out or find a drawing of the wiring. This has been the most frustrating part of building this car so far. I have four different switches, two different motors, three sets of wiper transmissions, all new AAW classic update kit installed and no matter what I do the new motor just runs... if the key is on the wipers are on. It's not the park relay everyone is telling me it is because they start right back up when the ignition is turned back on.

[@jmiles1960]

Excellent video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks James. I learned alot on this video. I had a few vids on this subject where I was trying to help a fellow KZbinr with his car and those led to this video.

[@jmiles1960]

@@DoubleRRestorations The pin out / schematic was a big help. My wipers on my 73 Camaro will not turn off. I have the 147 switch. I suspect it something in the switch has gone bad / broken. I was planning to disassemble the switch. Any advice is appreciated. I am just starting to troubleshoot. Thanks again!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

@James Miles From memory, the wiper motor has to go back to low speed before it can park. Sometimes it's worth bench testing. Also make sure the motor has a good ground

[@jmiles1960]

If my wipers won't turn off (147 switch), do you think it is in the Switch or at the motor? I heard you mention about a resistor on the motor assembly for the park mechanism. Thanks for the help.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

It's definitely worth checking. You can take them apart and clean them. You just have to take your time and reapply some dielectric grease. The stuff hardens up after several of years. It could be something at the motor ad well.

[@UCanDoIt2Mike]

That's going to help a whole lotta folks Russell! Cheers!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Mike. I hope it does. Its been one of those things on these cars that i didn't really understand.

[@UCanDoIt2Mike]

Double R Restorations Well your research was excellent because you explained it very well.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks for the kind words Mike

[@TheShadeTreeFixitMan]

Good to see you back Russ.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thank you George. I have missed making vids

[@blueresendez]

Hello my friend, i have a 69 impala and i been trying to install my new wiper switch back on my dash.. it looks like the ones you have on the table there.. i have it where it goes and its pluged in, and its working , but its just flopping around i cant find where any screws go...😫.. if you can help me i would be very grateful sir... thanks

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I'm not sure on the Impala's, but on the Camaro, the wiper switch is fastened to the gauge bezel with screws. Hope it helps.

[@MidwestMotoRider]

Wow that is a great deal of info and presented VERY well!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Scott, I was worried how I was going to put all of this in a vid.

[@ernestc9586]

Building a 76 rally sport , where did you find so many switchs. Looking for a 176 switch.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I have been buying them here and there, mainly swapmeets. Lately the prices has went crazy on ebay for any wiper switches. Hopefully the aftermarket companies will start reproducing some of these. I'll keep an eye open for a 176 for ya. Thanks for watching

[@wileygailey9553]

Outstanding video Russ. Looking forward to the washer vid.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Wiley. Should be out Sunday. Putting the finishing touches on it this week.

[@fatstercat]

Thorough and well explained

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Mark. I'm sure it will help all of us second gen guys out.

[@MadDZines]

@@DoubleRRestorations How common is it for the switch to go bad? I have a 127 and the switch looks good, but the wiper motor stopped shutting off and the motor had some smoke coming from it. Could the switch be fine and the motor be bad?

[@DoubleRRestorations]

@@MadDZines It is possible for either one to be bad. You should be able to verify the switch with an ohm meter. If it checks out, I would say that something may have let go in the motor. Also double check the wiring going to the motor. If all else fails you could always bench test the motor to verify if its defective.

[@mikeromines9063]

i don.t if will see this but i can.t find the 097 wiper switch hiden wiper swich for 70 to 71 camaro but what i was thinking was will the 70 chevelle can be bent to work in 70 camaro

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I'm not sure, I suppose with some modifications it would be possible

[@SprayWayCustoms]

Well explained Russ

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks SprayWay

[@perrywe1]

Good detailed info Russ. My 69 is similar. This will help me.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Wes. I hope it helps

[@ernestc9586]

Thank you, l really enjoy you channel.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Glad to hear! Hoping to have some new content out soon.

[@gonzo7188]

Awesome awesome video. Thanks Russ

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks gonzo

[@superduperman323]

Do you have that 176 wiper switch for sale? Please let me know! Thanks!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I sure dont. I'll keep my eyes open for one for you.

[@superduperman323]

@@DoubleRRestorations Thank you sir! Love your channel by the way!

[@DoubleRRestorations]

@@superduperman323 Thank you. I hope to have some new videos out soon.

[@JoDaddysGarage]

Excellent.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks. I hope it helps folks with their projects.

[@Larry-cp3uy]

Hello Russ, can you tell me where I can find a 127 switch for my 1970 Camaro please? Thank you.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Larry, they show up on eBay every now and then, also might check in the swap meet section on nastyZ28.com

[@Larry-cp3uy]

Thanks so much Russ :)

[@bill56belair60]

great video Russ

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Bill. Hope your feeling better

[@DriveShaftDrew]

THUMBS UP AND SHARED great info for all

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Drew

[@chrismansker8870]

great video russ

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Thanks Chris

[@samsgarage2856]

I had no idea there were so many types of switches.

[@DoubleRRestorations]

I know, it's crazy. Does your car have the hidden wipers Sam?

[@jefflindsey9589]

Hey man, just found your channel. Looks great! 😬 What the heck happened? I resubbed Russ...??

[@DoubleRRestorations]

Welcome back. lol. KZbin has some issue's, I'm not sure. I know my channel has fell off quite alot since I started making vids again. It was actually doing better during the 2 month break I took. lol