1972 Soul Destroyers & The Indefinable: Gil Scott-Heron, Terry Callier, Scott Walker, Osibisa & more

[@Zorak_97]

Cheers from Brazil. Good seeing Clube da Esquina being talked about. Fun fact about the cover: the two boys didn't know the photo would be used as cover for a record. They only found out in 2012.

[@nuisanceguru]

and sued for material and moral damage, lmao

[@alternativepreacher4516]

Clube da Esquina is a wonderful album.

[@petronio63]

Incidentally, musicians who participated in the Clube da esquina record, like Beto Guedes, Toninho Horta and Wagner Tiso, went on to do a full-on progressive rock music a few months later.

[@kevinetheridge7201]

Terry Callier is my favourite singer/songwriter, his voice touches me where other artists can’t reach, “I’d rather be with you” is a fine example off “What Color is Love”.

[@guitarchannel5676]

That Terry Callier album is excellent. I'm glad I discovered it recently.

[@joaocalladomusico]

Great to see you talking about Brazilian music! I always wonder how much of our music you rock experts know. This is a great and important album and it's influenced by The Beatles, folk and progressive rock. You should hear some Clara Nunes, one of the best Brazilian 70's discographies. Thanks for your work!

[@bonzoboots]

Clube De Esquina is true fusion - latin, folk, pop, soul - all fused with total naturalness. And there's an exploratory quality to it like Van Morrison, Terry Callier as well. Exquisite

[@sspbrazil]

I agree that if Osibia came out today they would still blow peoples minds, great band.

[@hughughughughughug]

Another AMAZING album from Brazil in 1972 is Novos Baiano’s Acabou Chorare!

[@joaocalladomusico]

Very Rock influenced too!

[@GenrePeak]

Love Scott Walker! I recommend the documentary “30th Century Man”. Walker influenced many singers, Bowie, Sylvian and others. Wish I could be in the same room with you guys, another intelligent conversation. Cheers from Sacramento!

[@JeffCooper10538]

Superb film!

[@Zorak_97]

Walker has without a doubt the best and most interesting musical career in Pop Music (and by Pop Music, I mean not just Pop, but Rock, Folk, Soul, Funk, Rap, Hip-hop etc). Almost no one has the balls like he had to do something like _Tilt_ , _The Drift_ and _Bish Bosch_ .

[@apollomemories7399]

@@Zorak_97 and Soused.

[@ectoplasma5]

Big influence on Radiohead too !

[@Zorak_97]

​@@apollomemories7399and _Soused_ , but _Soused_ is almost an epilogue to everything he's done late in his career, especially after _Bish Bosch_ where we have an avant-garde epic like "Zercon". Credits to him for possibly being inspired by Lou Reed (one of the few artists closer to Walker's experimentation, i.e. _Metal Machine Music_ and _Lulu_ ) and making an unconventional collaboration with a metal band as his epitaph.

[@kzustang]

Fantastic discussion, gents! Love the way you stretch on various genres in this fabulous year. It's impossible to cover everything, I know, but Cymande (self titled 1972) would be worth a mention as well right next to Osibisa. Thanks for the share!

[@gsa219]

I absolutely love Terry Callier and I'd rate Dancing Girl as possibly in my top 10 songs ever. You Goin' Miss Your Candyman was one of the songs that got me into Callier as well. Although I see Occasional Rain as the best album of his.

[@AllMediaReviewsPodcast]

Milton Nascimento just released a great collaborative album with Grammy Winner Esperanza Spalding!

[@merlinthemagus]

The three Cadet albums that Terry Callier released in 72-73 are stunners one and all.

[@yeastboyuk]

Just shut the engine off to the dulcet tones of Tim "fxxk off, get Billy Bremner on!" Thanks to you and listeners for sharing Clube da Esquina - immediately wonderful. Like many others I will add it to my vinyl hunt. Not likely to turn up in downtown Gothenburg but hey, you never know

[@JeffCooper10538]

I have several Scott Walker albums and particularly love his later avant-garde period but I need to hear The Moviegoer and suchlike immediately!

[@apollomemories7399]

Stretch from `73 is pretty good. It's available as a twofer CD with We Had It All from `74.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

Gil is the absolute best...can't wait to hear what you say.

[@matthewhutchinson7366]

Really enjoying the podcast thank you. I have had a theory for a while that 1972 might just be THE peak year for musical culture, creativity and releases across so many genres. There was just so much going on all at once its insane. If I had more time I would try and compile the master list of everything relevant that came out and write a book arguing my theory. But for now happy to have these experts with such great expansive tastes do a lot of the work for me.

[@douglasstruthers8307]

The Isley's BROTHER, BROTHER, BROTHER is a rich and beautiful record. I just did a quick check on War's THE WORLD IS A GHETTO - may require a vinyl purchase. Agreed! Yes, to the world of clavinet! Thanks for reviewing these albums!

[@UK_Lemons]

Scott Walker also did an album called SW sings songs from his TV Show that was released in '69 between Scott 3 and 4. It has a few great songs on it, including Will you still be mine and The Song is You, plus several ballads. Great orchestrations very nicely recorded. Only available on vinyl. It was never reissued but worth tracking down.

[@apollomemories7399]

There is a quasi-official CD release titled 'Live On Air 1968' of BBC TV show recordings from 16 Aug & 30 Dec 68, released 2019 on the London Calling label. Available via Amazon.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

Gil became such a great singer, man, love that guy.

[@tdtm82]

Terry Callier omg we need a new Stephen Wilson remix! Also Orchestre Poly-Rhythmo du Cotanou 'Dahomey' is one of the best albums of that year! Terry was never a big hit-maker but he had so much style and musicality. Terry retired from music to take up computer studies. His music is inspirational. A true Americana idol. He died from cancer aged 67. Gilles Peterson played his music for me on World WIde FM not too long ago.

[@joaocalladomusico]

For the record: Clube da Esquina is labelled in Brazil as MPB (Música Popular Brasileira = Popular Brazilian Music) or música mineira (music from the Brazilian state of Minas Gerais).

[@StonedJesus]

Dancing Girl is actually NINE minutes long, so EVEN BETTER!

[@AetherPavilion]

Quite a few of your selections I’ve never heard of, look forward to following up, especially that Brazilian album. Can’t recall if you’ve highlighted Randy Newman’s ‘72 classic Sail Away, certainly noteworthy in the singer-songwriter realm.

[@bowness1]

Yes, that was covered in an earlier 1972 episode (the first, I think). A great album.

[@rolfjamne8922]

Check out Hermeto Pascoal. Brazilian multinstrumentalist and composer. He also played on the Miles Davis album Live Evil.

[@stefanstern3542]

I really enjoyed this episode! Thank you very much!!

[@cameronpatrickscott]

Brilliant, inspirational, here after Tims chat with Andy Edwards, and Steves chat a while back, i think with Rick Beato, loved it, going over for a deep dive when ive finished listening, and subbed, thanks lads.

[@JeffCooper10538]

It’s interesting how much Steven loves Hawkwind. I was listening to The Harmony Codex for the millionth time this year (in the car as it happens) and it suddenly struck me how much (and I do mean a lot) of a Hawkwind vibe there is throughout the album. And this is a very good thing.

[@wendellwiggins3776]

Earth, Wind & Fire "Last Days and Times" / Funkadelic "America Eats It’s Young" / Stevie Wonder "Music of My Mind" & "Talking Book" / Mandrill - Mandrill

[@nickpolak6270]

Something/Anything was all over the place during the Summer of '72. I bought it when it came out and, though I wasn't a big radio listener, I Saw The Light was everywhere. Hello, Its Me is, as you should know, a remake of a single by his first band, Nazz.

[@bonzoboots]

Faves from '72, not including the most obvious ones: Mellow Candle - Swaddling Songs BJ Cole - The New Hovering Dog C.O.B. - Moyshe McStiff And The Tartan Lancers Of The Sacred Heart Marcos Valle - Vento Sul Free Design - One By One Halfnelson/Sparks (sounds a helluva lot like New Wave pop) Keith Cross & Peter Ross - Bored Civilians (baroque pop gem) Kenny Rogers And The First Edition - The Ballad Of Calico (American Gothic song-cycle) Kevin Ayers - Whatevershebringswesing Módulo 1000 - Não Fale Com Paredes (total Brazilian prog-out) Residents - Santa Dog (Yeah, it's a double EP) Roy Ayers Ubiquity - He's Coming Wizz Jones - Right Now Richard Thompson - Henry The Human Fly The Awakening- Hear, Sense And Feel Bridget St. John - Thank You For... Sérgio Mendes & Brasil '77 - Primal Roots (his most experimental, folk/fusion gem) Bobby Charles - Bobby Charles Brigitte Fontaine - Brigitte Fontaine Cargoe - Cargoe (Big Star labelmates) Dion - Suite For Late Summer Eddie Kendricks - People...Hold On Time for a part two!

[@theodd9604]

'Occasional Rain' album by Terry Callier also worth mentioning. One of his best alongside with 'What Color is Love'.

[@jamesdaniels3699]

In 1972 I was ten years ago and I was playing with my Tonka truck and bulldozer in the backyard while listening to the transitory radio in my ear,mono of course. Waiting for Steve to figure out how to play this thing called the synthesizer.And pronunciation of Moog the wrong way.🎹🎶 'you figure out how to play this thing,yet?' 'no, but let me take this one home with me, I'll get back to you in a few years.' 'okay, Steven Wilson.'

[@Gongtopia]

Scott Walker was THE voice. Even though that album was likely a 'cash grab' from the record company, "Here Scott, sing an album full of movie themes and we can sell a lot of them," it's all about the voice, which was like no other.

[@timparker7784]

Todd's Liars is a pretty special 5-star album too!

[@PianoDentist]

Love Gil Scott. Did You Hear What They Said, is my favorite track off Free will.

[@slackdude1]

Zoiks! I might have to take tomorrow off.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

Ohhh yeah, Healing...I used to turn off the lights, have a hot bath and just listen to that (alternately, Eno's Music for Airports)

[@sspbrazil]

I lobe Gil Scott-Heron, o turned so many people on to his music.

[@TokyoBalletReprise]

As good as Clube da Esquina is, Milagre dos Peixes by Milton Nascimento (and possibly the album Minas too) is imo the best brazilian album ever and one of the best albums ever in history. Milagre dos Peixes is a masterpiece in my eyes, it's extremely experimental, but also quite catchy and beautiful. It's a culmination of Milton's experimentations here and there while still keeping his pop sensibilites as arguably the biggest brazilian pop star of the time.

[@mattymac1399]

Great stuff. Still Bill by Bill Withers is a winner. Also, Bobby Charles by Bobby Charles is a nice listen.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

A tennis buddy of mine worked with Whitfield (he was IN the Undisputed Truth! The guitarist, Isy Martin).

[@FranciscoBurrola]

Clube da Esquina has a great cover artwork

[@bonzoboots]

Not mentioned - good/very good albums by Van Morrison, Carole King, Little Feat, Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell (For The Roses), as well as cult favourites - Mellow Candle, Gnidrolog, and one you both would ABSOLUTELY LOVE - The New Hovering Dog by B.J. Cole - eclectic, experimental, ambient and pop!

[@bowness1]

A few of those albums were covered in earlier episodes about 1972 (this is part 5).

[@bonzoboots]

@@bowness1 I thought I'd watched them all :) - but definitely check the BJ Cole because it remains an undiscovered gem

[@bowness1]

@@bonzoboots Thanks for the recommendation. That's one I've never even heard of.

[@bonzoboots]

@@bowness1 I wrote a book of sorts about British music in the progressive era and this was absolutely one of the best discoveries I made

[@bowness1]

@@bonzoboots It gets ever more interesting! What was the book?

[@sspbrazil]

I live in Brazil and have for over 10 years now, Milton Nascimento is great, one of the best Brazilian musicians and singer/songwriters.

[@apollomemories7399]

You can thank Peter Gabriel for putting him on the map for the rest of the world to know about him.

[@sspbrazil]

@@apollomemories7399 Milton is one of the most well known Brazilian artists, it wasn’t Peter that put him on the map though, it was Wayne Shorter that put him on the map worldwide after he appeared on Wayne’s 1974 album Native Dancer, he then collaborated with many artists after that and was signed to Warner Brothers in the 80’s, his 1994 album “Angelus” is the album where he collaborates with many people including Wayne Shorter, by Pat Metheny, Ron Carter, Herbie Hancock, Jack DeJohnette Jon Anderson, Jmwes Taylor and Peter, where they sing a duet, he’s one of the most well known Brazilian musicians and has been for many years, along with João Gilberto, Tom Jobim, Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil, he’s 82 now, he was already well known by many musicians. The Coube da Esquina album is named after the musical movement he started here with Lô Borges in the late 60’s.

[@apollomemories7399]

@@sspbrazil I'm sorry but I have to disagree. I'm talking about global exposure and certainly not the confines of a very low level selling album in 1974 or extremely localised releases such as Coube da Esquina. It was specifically his duet with Peter Gabriel that bolstered his global exposure. Being well known by many musicians is albeit a good situation but that simply does nothing for any artist's commercial sales. He might have been signed to Warners in the 80's, but that doesn't mean the rest of the world was familiar with him. And what sort of quantities of albums were James Taylor or Jon Anderson selling in the early 90's compared to Peter Gabriel? My guess is about 5% at best. Prior to the Gabriel collaboration there's simply no way he'd have been as well known as João Gilberto or Gilberto Gil, at least from a UK or European perspective which also greatly inflences Australasia, too.

[@sspbrazil]

@@apollomemories7399 you can disagree all you want, but it was Milton’s appearance on Wayne Shorter’s album that gained him world wide recognition, not just with musicians, but also music listeners, after he appeared on that album he collaborated with many artists before recording that duet on his album with Peter, he collaborated with Carlos Santana in and they played together at the Montreux Jazz Festival in 1982 and 1988, he did a duet with Paul Simon in 1988, there is a nice live version of it on KZbin, he also worked with Quincy Jones, Earth, Wind and Fire, Cat Stevens, Sarah Vaughan and a bunch of others before doing that duet on his album with Peter in 1994. Peter never signed him to his Real World label either, Peter started his label in 1989 and was signing mostly African artists and trying to scoop up as many world artists that he could, the roster expanded to artists from different countries over time, but he never got Milton though because Milton was already on a major label and was already recognized worldwide, not just among musicians, but music listeners, one of the reasons Peter did that duet with him was because of the influence he already had in music and that was around the time Peter was collaborating with many international artists, some of which he would scoop up for his label. That song may have introduced you to Milton, but many people already knew him well before that song. Also, the album is called “Clube da Esquina” (Club on the Corner) you misspelled Clube, that was a pinnacle album for him here in Brazil and the musical movement of the same name he helped to create here is what caught the ear of musicians like Wayne shorter and others, the fact that both Tim and Steven know this album well, shows you the reach he has had and before his collaboration with Peter.

[@apparaoapparao]

Another good psychedelic soul funk/rock album from ‘72 is Detroit’s Black Mer-da Long Burn the Fire.

[@Marty2011uk]

William Shatner - Ponder the Mystery Revisited - surprisingly good Prog Album.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

Gotta listen to Has Been...incredible album!

[@Marty2011uk]

@@kenmeyerjr57 I know.

[@Marty2011uk]

Scott Walker - Jackie.

[@matthewfrazee3352]

Tim needs a larger chair and Steven needs some shoes.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

I would say the Temps also were in that sort of SoulProg movement.

[@MathieuFiset]

Hey guys, anyone know about Harmonium from Quebec ? Great prog band from the 70s...sadly mostly u known outside Quebec but their 2nd album could appeal to some Opeth fans (the acoustic side)...

[@nish147]

Can't buy a Thrill is yet to be mentioned in 1972 series...please do a steely dan episode.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

I wish that Walker was available on cd or streaming...so far, I only see vinyl.

[@apollomemories7399]

? Almost everything he ever recorded is available on CD.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

@@apollomemories7399 yup, almost! I don't see this anywhere...ebay, amazon, even a general search (on cd)

[@SonicChronicler]

@@apollomemories7399not this one. Vinyl and cassette only (so far)

[@apollomemories7399]

@@kenmeyerjr57 Go to Discogs and you will find absolutely everything.

[@apollomemories7399]

@@SonicChronicler What exactly is the name of the album you're looking for?

[@7BobbyGaylor7]

Great video. Such an amazing list of important artists and albums! The Isley Brothers to me, are a band that doesn't get enough credit for being so forward thinking and breaking down walls. If you haven't heard it... check out their version of the CSNY song Ohio, blended with Jimi's song Machine Gun... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnSZooKsm8x3gKs So moving. And Annette Peacock is very cool and I love Osibisa! Across 110th Street! Wow! Enuff said! Cheers Bobby

[@LilHaseProductions]

As a prog/jazz fan I don't know anything in this ep lol, outside of Todd Rundgren

[@davestephens6421]

I hope you guys are gonna cover the jazzrock albums of 1972.....Mahavishnu Orchestra-one of the most important and influential bands ever.....

[@bowness1]

We are.

[@davestephens6421]

@@bowness1 Brilliant!! Andy Edwards will be pleased too 😂 Thanks Tim!!!

[@piersquick7968]

Around about 14'00" "Chicken in a basket, Doncaster, Wakefield..." Hey, there's more to Wakefield than chicken in a basket, tha knows🤣

[@MartinFiser-tb4uj]

Consider also E.Clapton´s great reaction to C. Mayfield in 2-3 compositions of his Pilgrim LP... if you didn´t already. Or M.McDonald. You´re both white and even BB or Miles appreciated some whites as them.

[@kenmeyerjr57]

Toddy Way...THAT is a great band name!

[@deetee4403]

When i hear terms like progrssive being attached to soul music...i really do wonder what it means? Likening albums like this to progressive rock, sounds very unappreciative of what those soul artists were doing.

[@bowness1]

That's the official genre term used on the likes of Wikipedia. I just think it means 'exploratory' R&B.

[@erikmaronde2244]

1972. Made weird music.