1988 Johnson 90 HP; Carbs, Fuel Lines; VRO Delete

[@leslienewbern3472]

I wouldn’t mind paying you something for it. I appreciate you and all your videos are very nice. I enjoy them.

[@kingfish3066]

The very best video for vro removal on KZbin PERIOD always enjoy your content Brandon.

[@Fmjnax]

It just so happens that I am doing the VRO delete on my '87 90HP. This video came out at the PERFECT time!!!!

[@TheRealKlinky]

I recently deleted the VRO/vapor separator assembly on my 60° 115hp. Used an 8mm 4 way hose barb - one barb feeds in from the standard non vro pump, 2 of the barbs feed the carb fuel rails & the last one goes to the enrichment solenoid. Best thing ive ever done to this motor!

[@bertheijne5380]

Warning for those plastic bowls and vro's. Found out that they get tiny cracks and du the old age they get not flat anymore so they leak. I replaced them with alu one's from older engine. They sel only the alu ones and cost a fortune. Also needed new low speed orfices that fit. Also the vro gets tiny cracks du to age in the plastic. Nice Vid's keep them coming learned a lot

[@anthonyb1496]

Best videos I've watched yet! Great job

[@rcplanesandfriends3067]

Great video! I have a 1990 40 vro that I recently removed the vro and went with a genuine johnson fuel pump, mounted on the head. It runs great on the muffs in the driveway but bogs in the water under load. Compression is decent, 97 on both cylinders, good spark. Complete rebuild on both carbs. Idles great in the water and will move forward until I get to about half throttle, then bogs..cannot figure it out!

[@ChipGonzales]

I am in the same boat with a 115. But I think I may have gotten the wrong fuel pump.

[@winfieldholbrook5167]

Sir you are a king of men on Johnson and evinrudes. I need a fuel manifold for a 1990 60 Johnson that I done a complete rebuild and deleted the vro. My fuel manifold is broken and would appreciate any information on locating another one or information on how to making something that will replace it. Thank you for your valuable world of knowledge and great content. I really enjoyed the strangest boat video and I’m on the lookout for one as well.

[@markheter8206]

I learn from every one of your videos. Specs for the fuel hoses (McMaster customer here) would be very helpful. Thanks!

[@BrandonsGarage]

@@markheter8206 I made a video about just that!

[@samtate1260]

Mine was already removed thank you for your help

[@nzbarbers3868]

I all ways love your work mate is crazy good.

[@MexicoPescadoro]

AZ boy here! Keep the late 80's early 90's Evinrude Johnson 90 videos coming! Just bought a boat with 95 Evinrude 90 and need these videos. You do a great job explaining and your video quality is good. Motor was running fine for last month on hose. Got everything buttoned up and went out to the lake two days ago and couldn't get her to start. I have spark and fuel so now I'm stumped. It ran 4 days ago on the hose fine... Thinking it has to be carbs.

[@mykarmaxspired5771]

Same problem here on a hose... did you ever figure put the issue?

[@MexicoPescadoro]

@@mykarmaxspired5771 It could be many different things for you. For me it was water in the gas. You need to verify spark and fuel flow. If you have those two and still nothing I would pull a sample of fuel from your tank. Let it sit in a see through container, milk carton, water jug, something see through. After 20 or 30 minutes you'll be able to see if you have water in your gas.

[@peterstevenson5418]

They sound like a good idea but i would rather pre mix my fuel and know its right rather than the vro fail and wreck the motor

[@aztlankin1]

Gracias..great video sr..i need to fix the motor on my 1987 cimarron boat

[@ripsnridges]

Around 35:40. What size bolts were used

[@zbarnes6241]

I'm also going to remove mine when I have time. 1986 johnson 120. Keep the great videos coming. Hopefully more johnson/evinrude

[@arciefan]

Choke solenoid or primer solenoid? Mine has the primer solenoid on 1998 Johnson 115hp. And I don't like it, but it does work. I have learned that the key thing is to make sure and get a good prime on your primer bulb, with the bulb pointed upwards by the up arrow on the bulb. Seen that on dangar marine, and yes it works

[@markdouglas8863]

Just bought a 2005 Tracker 21' Suntracker pontoon boat. Previous owner down the line put a 1988 Johnson 90 VRO V4 (J90TLCCA) on it. Good so far. But I discovered the VRO was removed (OK with that after watching your video). We will drain the fuel tank and add a fresh premixed fuel that I have faith in. What is the suggested ratio? There is also NO FUEL FILTER. Guessing one should be added above or below the squeeze ball? All the advice I can get for this novice is appreciated.

[@martyholub943]

Where did you add the fuel filter? I'd probably put it after the squeeze ball.

[@AN-kg4ei]

I have the same motor in a 91 and redid all fuel lines, rebuilt carbs, general fall cleaning/tune up... there's a fuel line (vent line from main bearing cavity?) that I took for granted. I have the full manual set and managed to still stump myself. #66 I think in SELOC Service manual. Tempted just to let it hang but I think it maybe reintroduce unburned/pooled fuel to carbs. Feeling pretty stupid right now.... where did I put my glasses??

[@samtate1260]

Great video on my 1984 115 hp Evinrude my carburetors started acting up it had one of those gray gas lines on it I replaced guy before me super glued the bowl nut on he must’ve broke isn’t there a brass piece right behind that nut I am looking for a service manual

[@flipper2473]

Hi, I have a 1989 120 hp Johnson, I am trying to figure out the nut size for the transom mounting bolts. I want to add a reboarding ladder over the bolts . Any help would be appreciated

[@royalanleach9180]

I noticed you left the oil injection line still I'm the block a good spot for air leaks with they rot off then bye bye pistons I took mine off and put brass plugs just good insurance for your motor if you are going to put all that time in to save your motor

[@sjcaquatics5584]

Im currently replacing my vro with a regular fuel pump . I didn realize the fuel pump I bought has a gasket with it that goes on the back n it has to b mounted on the engine block and the pulse limiter has to be removed and plugged ? Im jus not sure if my motor has a place where it can b mounted onto my engine to make it work. It's a 1984 Evinrude 90 hp v4 vro

[@MichaelAnderson-e3r]

Did you figure it out I ha e the same motor and I'm doing the same. Also how did you find a fuel manifold off of a 88

[@javiermontes3777]

Hey bro one question I got the same engine in my carburetor is leaking from the bottom and all the gaskets that I can buy and eBay or Amazon they don't work they still leaks where did you buy those gaskets

[@DC_PRL]

1992 60 hp evinrude here, VRO failed, a top end had to be rebuilt. They are junk, better off premixing for some peace of mind. Can you mention wiring to VRO, there is a warning circuit that needs to be bypassed I believe. I like your swap, how much was that fuel pump?

[@todddunn5912]

what and why is ther a plugged rubber hose at the fuel connection at the front of the motor? I just bought a 1999 40 jhonson its just like that??? WHY. Thank you so much!!! Going from V8 to these types of motors.

[@CTRadventures]

Maybe i missed it, what size fuel line is it from the carb to the manifold? The small lines? Thanks!

[@kenfrazier616]

are 90 horse thirsty animals. like the thought of using a 6 gallon portable tank. Mixing at hand. did many dirt bikes when I was younger. Topock area saw the pipe line above the river.

[@CC-uy8dx]

Great video Brandon. Would you mind telling me where you hooked up that vacuum line on the other side of the engine at 39:11? Thanks

[@AN-kg4ei]

I think that's the one that stumped me too... listed as main bearing vent or some nonsense. I think it just needs to go into the intake to reintroduce fuel/vapours but.... I can't find out where... will take a better look when I fi d my glasses... 🔎

[@jerryhunt8274]

Can you recommend an on line outboard school? I'm interested to learn how to work on outboard motors. If not I'll keep watching your videos.

[@bjpatpat5801]

my carb is leaking at one of the bottom ones not sure if the hose is off or not, not sure what to do at all ,your help would be helpful thanks in advance on any information that may be helpful thanks again

[@nickromaniuk7012]

What are all the sizes of the fuel lines you use on a Carb rebuild like this V4? It seems that most of these lines are discontinued, and I'll just go the McMaster route like you did.

[@Badwolf6466]

Howdy from Sugarland Texas. I have a 90SPL Pre mix. I noticed that I am getting 2-Stroke oil residue all over the inside of engine cover and engine. However the engine runs great and never fouls plugs. What could be the problem ? Is this a sign that its time for a rebuild ? Even though it runs great.

[@1luxuryliner440]

Does it matter if I have feed line in to op carb first I'm working on a 70hp Johnson 70 late 80s and the nipple was on bottom carb and could barely clear causing fuel line pinch so I put that carb on top and rea Ilined choke flaps so does it matter if I mover the in feed carb to top or does it need to feed from bottom

[@MDPlaue]

Part number for Throttle Link clip plastic piece...What is part number? Johnson motor is: (1988 Johnson 90 - J90TLCCA)

[@nicolemellon6724]

Hi there. I am from Australia We had a 80's model 140hp evinrude outboard that kept leaning out on the lowest cylinder. Had the motor and carbies rebuilt 3 times by two different mechanics but kept on doing it within an hour of each use. Mechanics both put their hands up and said they dont know what was going on. Ended up out of pocket a lot of money and no one seemed to know what was happening. Just wondering after watching your videos if you may know what was happening. Any response would be greatly appreciated.

[@scn102]

I no this video is from four years ago .. I'm trying to do this conversion on a 1984/85 235hp V6.. ? Will it work or do I need a bigger pump etc.. ty in advance

[@JColip1776]

is there any alternative to that jet tool 317002? They are $50-$100 online

[@BrandonsGarage]

Un-needed screw-driver and a grinder.

[@JColip1776]

@@BrandonsGarage I seen a diagram someone posted on forums to make one. Guess I’ll be going that route. anyway to get ahold of you with some questions?

[@JColip1776]

I just found out that Briggs & Stratton jet tool # 19061 fits perfectly and $18 on amazon Hey another quick question. Primer Solenoid hose I’m seeing 1/16 ID is needed but factory had a thicker wall and OD is 1/4” all the 1/4” OD Im finding has 1/8”ID. what size line do you use for the solenoid?

[@nickromaniuk7012]

I have a 1987 Johnson SPL looks just like this 90hp. After cleaning the carbs and putting it back together, what tuning/synchronizing needs to be done?

[@bobbyjonson2944]

Thanks man good vid a lot help

[@dustinsondag7393]

Curious would the vro delete be the same for a 90 horse johnson vro? Any advice would help! Thank you

[@Guns_N_Gears]

Dont you have to increase jet sizes once the VRO is removed?

[@MikeSmith-nu9wt]

Where did you get that float gauge ? Ive been wanting one since i discovered what there for ? I still want one ..

[@BrandonsGarage]

Wellllll, I have a few of them. When available, they were only a couple of dollars, so I would order one whenever I lost one. Looks like they are discontinued now. Perhaps this would be a good job for a laser cutter to reproduce. www.ebay.com/itm/385648824103

[@TheJmaj71]

Do you still make video on johnson outboard motor if so was wondering what the part number is for the 8 pin wiring harness

[@BrandonsGarage]

I haven't made an evinrude/johnson in a long while, it's been days. Controller harness is # 0393129 There are different versions for different applications,but that is the most common. Engine harness depends on model number.

[@TheJmaj71]

@@BrandonsGarage I have the J90TLCUR 90hp v4 vro johnson outboard

[@josemanuel5465]

Hi Brandon... Wheré are You Buy Jhonson parts. Can You said me wahts place is. I'm form panama. Bless You

[@haroldhills9984]

With the new pump , do I have to mix oil to fuel tank manual ? Please tell me. Thank you.

[@davekimbler2308]

I forgot to mention that the National meet for AOMCI in Tomahawk Wisconsin is next week and if you need something I can look for you if you wish !

[@BrandonsGarage]

I wish I could, but any extra money is going into the house, probably wont be traveling until next year. ...it would be nice to cruise in on my stand-up boat though.

[@davekimbler2308]

@@BrandonsGarage that would be cool !

[@davekimbler2308]

@@BrandonsGarage what do you need ? I’m not worried about a few bucks , call it my contribution! I don’t like giving cash I prefer to help out the channel in other ways !

[@Guns_N_Gears]

Don't you have to increase the main jet size when going back to premix?

[@davekimbler2308]

I have never changed the jets because of the modification , the mixing ratio remains the same just a bit more work and less possible problems !@@Guns_N_Gears

[@jal1sco]

What is the bottom vent line for? I noticed it was unplugged on my 84 johnson 140 but didn't know where it went until I saw your video towards the end, so I connected it. Been on the water 4 times after a carb rebuild and noticed loss of power at high speed, not sure if that was the cause. Thanks.

[@mikeveenendaal768]

Do you mean the one laying on the bottom going back into the block? That attaches to the bottom of the air box. It just re-circulates fuel that spills from the carbs back into the engine. If you've noticed some fuel leaking, that being disconnected is probably why.

[@Harold-w8d]

let me know if you do a timing and or carb adjustment

[@JFSoutboards]

Hello Brandon, I have a question. You chosed to plug the original pulse fitting and use the block mount. Is there any reason for that ? Could you use a 3 hoses fitting pump (part number 0438559 ) and use the original pulse line ? Thank you. Regards from France

[@ibcrypto6139]

I bought a 90HP with the VRO already removed but it still has the VRO Fuel Pump. Wondering if thats an issue? Thanks and thank you for you videos!

[@BadgerScrub]

You probably already figured this out, but all you have to do is unplug the power and vacuum plug the oil inlet barb

[@Dougbrown55]

So the vro just mixes your fuel? New to these engines and from what i remember going out to my grandpas he usually always mixed his fuel ….. and i dont wanna worry about oil injection on this boat i got i also have no previous history on it … just bought a lower unit cuz it froze and cracked engine is a 81 i got lucky

[@BrandonsGarage]

Everyone calls it oil injection, don't know why as there is no oil injection going on. Perhaps its "injecting" oil into the gas? Anywho, yes, all it does is mix the gas for you while helping to empty your bank account when its time to fix/replace it.

[@Dougbrown55]

@@BrandonsGarage so i should just delete mine as well?

[@WoodGuy]

Really interesting video, well done!

[@davekimbler2308]

Thank you ! After watching I removed my sons VRO and am relieved! I’ve NEVER trusted them , even on a snowmobile I prefer to mix my own ! I see you don’t replace the welsh plugs , any particular reason ?

[@andrewdrevdahl2329]

U didn't put a filter back on did u put a inline filter from the tank ?

[@BrandonsGarage]

There is an in-line filter on my hose, however the fuel pump has it own filter screen on the cap.

[@Sea_Angel05]

I like the breaker bar and impact drill for the proper torque! I will try that on my super small bolts to ensure they are snug! Hilarious!

[@vinhphan6738]

Hi Brandon, how do you cap the oil line?

[@michaelwelch6003]

Hey man, love your videos!! I have a 1985 50HP Johnson with power trim, I just purchased a new tilt/trim motor that came in yesterday! However, it has about a 3’ long cord coming out of it, I cannot find for the life of me where it plugs in at? Can you help me with this sir? Or is there a way we can contact you? Thanks again!

[@BrandonsGarage]

my email is in the about me. where did you find a new trim notor? that engine wouldnt have a trim relay setup on the motor, it would be mounted someone on/near the transom.

[@michaelweinzel2099]

Help me understand why boaters remove the Aro.??

[@douglasw804]

Where did you get the vacuum line from?

[@MichaelAnderson-e3r]

I can't find the fuel manifold off of a 88 what else can I do?

[@BrandonsGarage]

@@MichaelAnderson-e3r I've got a video on making one

[@theclarkhurley]

Thank you sir!!!

[@jrds10x]

Super long shot here, but do you still have that fuel manifold that you swapped out of this one?? I’d buy it if you still have it.

[@BrandonsGarage]

The VRO version?

[@jrds10x]

@@BrandonsGarage yea

[@mrbeskar3825]

Hey brother what is the hose line that connects to the outlet on the bottom of the top part of the engine that shoots out water? @Brandons Garage

[@truthislove1441]

tell tale

[@yamaharidr450]

My 1993 Johnson v4 is charging at 15.6 - 16.2 volts. Automotive work that's too high. However I've read it's normal especially without any accessories drawing power. What's your thoughts?

[@BrandonsGarage]

that does sound quite high, the charging system on these things suck, 16.2 is odd. How is it being tested, a dash gauge?

[@coachrandall8190]

if i bypass the vro but keep it. How do I know how much oil to add to the gas that is already in the tank?

[@truthislove1441]

pick up a fuel to oil mixing cup normally 100:1 ratio

[@CL-ok1gx]

FYI Amazon sells Briggs & Stratton 19061 Jet Screwdriver for 20 dollars. It works for those jets instead of paying 60 dollars.

[@mrbeskar3825]

How do I get ahold of a “pee hole” hose for the boat motor I got?

[@Al_kentingwarrior]

Hey Brandon, thanks again for the video. Do you have to sync the carbs? I heard about having to do a link n sync on these (I think in that VHS you uploaded?) , just cleaning my carbs now. Thanks again, this is my 3rd motor you’ve helped me with :)

[@everything-outdoors]

What size fuel line for the carburetors?

[@pollywager2225]

Anyone know the part number for the fuel pump he put in to replace the VRO

[@DougsMessyGarage]

Great job Brandon.

[@brandonjohnson358]

Do you have a part # for the kit you used ??

[@gs637]

Good stuff!

[@jamesread11]

Impact gun to match that torque setting when they came off 😂😂😂😂

[@jumpmastersmitty5441]

What size are the small fuel lines going into the carbs?

[@Northgacatfish]

Primer lines.

[@bwright8000]

@@Northgacatfish 5/32

[@fliegenbet]

Thank you very much for your new video, very interesting. I have a JohnsonV4, 115 HP, 1998, it works perfectly. Should I also delete the VRO? I appreciated the advice. I Love your videos ;-) Thanks again from Germany

[@BrandonsGarage]

No, its probably fine. This VRO, I had no history of, thus, it goes.

[@fliegenbet]

@@BrandonsGarage Thank you very much for your answer.

[@bendymagic8307]

I have 1988 110hp Johnson v4 I’m not getting fuel to the carbs oil tank was deleted but the original vro pump is still install do you think the fuel issue is because my vro went bad should I delete it?

[@TMAXXPUNISHER]

If you could help me with a question I would really appreciate it. at kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6fLYoaZmaiMjs0 or 5min55sec in, to the far left of your hand there is a stop nut and a thumb wheel on what the manual calls the throttle shaft, the part I'm talking about is called the Yoke and Thumb wheel according to the book. Anyway, I just bought a boat with the same motor, rather an 89 Johnson Pro Tracker 90hp, same motor. In the water it idled kind of low, and would stall as soon as I put it in gear, After some looking things over I adjusted that thumb wheel until the idle was high enough to go into gear without any issues and the boar seems to be running great! Anyway, is that thumb wheel actually the throttle adjustment for idle? Did I do the correct thing. I would love to heard from you. Thanks!

[@markfellini3264]

Where can I get the fuel pump?

[@user-ot7xc5ry3r]

What size bolts did you use do mount the fuel pump?

[@wilcogrundens9086]

wish he would have said. I guess I'll expirement.

[@jcbecker2800]

I just experienced the Kobalt fiasco myself today. pain in the ass. i also did a craftsman exchange at the same place and time. no issues what so ever.

[@BrandonsGarage]

Its a nightmare. What did they say to you?

[@vinhoi69]

Hi all. I have 1989 Johnson 70 hp. The motor runs ok. Idling surge up and down. I have check the compression and top cylinder 110 psi, middle cylinder 100 and the bottom cylinder is 75 psi. I replaced the head gasket and I noticed the cylinder wall of both middle and bottom cylinders are rough to the touch. It's and runs but can I use the motor as is? Not planning to fix it. Please give me your thoughts on this one. Thanks

[@MexicoPescadoro]

I'm no expert but I believe that sounds like bore .25 over time...

[@vinhoi69]

@@MexicoPescadoro I brought it prior to Covid 19 and have not sea trial it yet. Can I just use it as is?

[@Kawichemist]

You can run your motor as is BUT it's going to leave you stranded paddling. What caused the loss of compression will finish off the motor. Seals likely need replacing and the cause but not always. Find the cause replace the pistons with the next larger bore.

[@vinhoi69]

@@Kawichemist thanks

[@mikemcgrath655]

great job

[@kaleip]

Will this work on a 1995 evinrude 112 spl?

[@BrandonsGarage]

Mostly, except the VRO delete, because you probably don't have one.

[@kaleip]

@@BrandonsGarage thanks for the reply , I was hoping the carb rebuild process was similar to yours doesn't seem that bad , and it is oil injected has a reservoir for oil and looks pretty close to the one in this video

[@jeremyjenks]

Guess it’s my turn to find the zen in this process

[@kronopolis7]

Serious question… Right now I have an electric fuel pump on my fuel tank in place of a primer bulb. My VRO pump had the oil delete done to it. Can I remove the VRO pump completely and plug the holes? I would only be using my electric pump then. I know that relying on an electric pump ONLY is a bad idea. I’m just curious.

[@kronopolis7]

It’s a 1984 Johnson 150 GT.

[@glenns9557]

Get yourself a welding tip cleaning tool they are about 4 dollars and have multiple sizes for those tiny hole and are file like to clean out debris.

[@2fukWu]

28:15 - I was like holy hell dude . . . 😂

[@BrandonsGarage]

🤣😂🤣

[@1luxuryliner440]

There is one over screw hole inside

[@alexdominguez1795]

What the pn on the jet tool?

[@BrandonsGarage]

I don't even remember making the video yet alone the part number for the tool.

[@BrandonsGarage]

AH! 317002 everythingoutboards.com/brp/toolsbyyear/1988.html

[@robertaustin1945]

Had a 1997 spl 90 best motor before the company changed hands

[@gp205]

The last shot from Lowes.... HAHAHA!

[@BrandonsGarage]

I didn't think anyone would catch that. 6 people to oversee that exchange. 5 of which were saying No. The lady had her tool return policy flip card, which was a picture of a type of tool, and little bubbles giving the return requirements. Turns out the wording on the packaging says "Socket Bits" They were saying the return policy on drill bits is 30 days with receipt. My argument was it was a socket, not a drill bit. (Socket warranty is lifetime, no receipt) They kept saying no, its a bit, no its not a socket. My reply was something like- you are seriously telling me that this tool, which is made to go into a ratchet, is closer to a drill bit than a socket, even though the original packaging clearly says lifetime warranty , hassle free returns. ....and that was after I got past "the return is through Kobalt, not Lowes" However, one good thing from that 2 hour ordeal; I now know that drill bits are good for 30 days. Next time I need to drill 50 holes into some 1/4" steel, I'm buying a bit from them, abusing the heck out of it, and going back for a new one.

[@leslienewbern3472]

Yes, Brandon I sent you a message ahead of the one that you’ve already gotten. I would sure like to have one of those carburetor float gauge tools. Santa Claus could send me one but anyway if you would be willing to get rid of one, I know you said you made someI’d appreciate it thank you

[@michaelweinzel2099]

I meant v r o,

[@dsciarrino3663]

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