Evinrude VRO pump and carburettor clean

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Dangar Marine

Dangar Marine

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In this video I start work on the Evinrude 150. I start by cleaning and inspecting all the carburettors and then taking the VRO oil pump apart. So far everything looks fine so I'm not still not sure what caused the detonation that killed this motor but we'll keep looking!
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@stevenmyers1436
@stevenmyers1436 4 жыл бұрын
Dangar Marine you are the man. I’ve searched my boat problems and everytime your videos pop up. I routinely watch your videos to keep my boat going. I’m a carpenter not a mechanic but your videos, talk and instructions make me feel somewhat competent in this field of loving fishing and keeping a boat going. My personal thank you. If you were local I’d pay you all day. Thank you
@joyceneal1953
@joyceneal1953 6 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your videos. I just bought a boat with a 60 hp evi rude. Was having trouble with mist coming out of carb. I took off the reed valves and found 2 screws had fallen in and was keeping one Valve open. The previous owner had redone the carbs. I'm glad I saw your video.
@thejohnsons7901
@thejohnsons7901 7 жыл бұрын
Your videos sure beat watching TV! Thank you again.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome mate, really great to hear you are enjoying the vids. :)
@christiandrumr80
@christiandrumr80 6 жыл бұрын
One thing I meant to add is I have a 99 Ocean Pro V6 200. The carburetors seems to be a little leaky. Some people have stated on forums that the plastic bowls warp just a little and will cause some fuel leakage. My plan, thanks to your video and explanation, is to remove each carb, clean the jets and the passages and put everything back together. I am planning on leaving the throttle body in place and cleaning the holes in the throttle body with carb cleaner and compressed air. Again, you have provided more details than the shop manual! Many thanks!
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Those plastic carb bowls can leak a bit, but most of the warping is caused by people doing them up too tightly. Just get them snug so the seal and do its job and resist the urge to really crank the screws down.
@Fireship1
@Fireship1 7 жыл бұрын
So glad it's finally getting built back up Stu. Glad to be able to "tag along" and see it all go back together.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, I'm really looking forward to putting this back together and I'll be sure to film every step of the way! :)
@cadillacescalade1
@cadillacescalade1 6 жыл бұрын
You are the only person who can scientifically explain
@christiandrumr80
@christiandrumr80 6 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate all your videos. I have read the shop manuals for my current outboard and past outboards front to back and have done my own maintenance to a point. But, your explanation really makes sense out of it all. Especially, this video for these carburetors on the larger V6 engine (which I currently own). I like to do my own maintenance. If I do it, I know I have done it correctly by following every step. Its hard to know that a shop has done that work correctly. Your videos tie everything together and make sense out of what the shop manual is attempting to say. I wanted to say many thanks! and that I appreciate your videos!
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, glad the videos have been helping you. Yes, it is very satisfying to do your own maintenance and know that no steps have been missed.
@danielprather8419
@danielprather8419 4 жыл бұрын
I want to thank you for this video. You saved me from buying a new motor. Keep up the great videos.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome mate, glad you got it fixed.
@juliosolis7941
@juliosolis7941 4 жыл бұрын
@@DangarMarine hi, i have a evinrude 200 and is burning to much oil should I start with the vro?
@juliosolis7941
@juliosolis7941 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@robertwhigham18
@robertwhigham18 Жыл бұрын
Im learning so much about my 2001 ocean pro 90...thank you.
@alnbaba
@alnbaba 7 жыл бұрын
I'm in the process of repairing a 1976 20hp Evinrude, love the simplicity of the older motors. Bought for $80 with a junk carb, and a snapped head bolt. The lower unit has a new forward gear and bearings so worth a bit of time to get running again. Just waiting on the head gasket to arrive.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
You're first trip out on the water is going to be very satisfying once you get it all back together. I hope it all goes well for you. Waiting for parts is always the most frustrating part!
@alnbaba
@alnbaba 7 жыл бұрын
The hard part is done managed to drill out the old bolt and tap new threads without busting the tap off.
@jamie9455
@jamie9455 7 жыл бұрын
That's cool. What are your rebuild costs so far?
@alnbaba
@alnbaba 7 жыл бұрын
I had a spare carb off an 18hp that was an exact match it needed the choke freed up, $10 for the tap, $25 for the head gasket and another $12 for the head bolts, and $2 for hose clamps Grand total of $129.
@jamie9455
@jamie9455 7 жыл бұрын
always a bonus if u have the major parts to bolt on :)
@patricksegler3376
@patricksegler3376 3 жыл бұрын
Hope this Helps... 1995-1996 models at least. This is a 60 deg V6 engine, which would be the same for the 150 and 175 Ocean Runners. On the low idle air bleed screws that you turned out 13 1/2 half turns, the manual advises to set the initial setting at 5 full turns out. Then while idling under load with the prop engaged, adjust each idle screw 1/8th of a turn in either direction depending upon if it is lean or rich, and when you can obtain the maximum rpm at that idle for the engine, then you move on to the next (Throttle Body) carb, and repeat the process through all six individually, but again, the default setting would be 5 full turns out from seated. I believe mine were at about 6 1/2 turns out and I was experiencing a lean condition. Set them back to five, and it resolved the lean "Sneeze". But that didn't appear until after I had fixed a few fuel line issues that I believe were the source of additional air leaks. Somebody had previously adjusted the carbs for the existing leaks rather than fixing the leaks.
@lauriehaynes3144
@lauriehaynes3144 4 жыл бұрын
Dangar Marine you are a very cleaver marine man , your videos are spot on very very helpful many thanks cheers Laurie H
@jp040759
@jp040759 3 жыл бұрын
Again!!! Great explanation. You're my go to man for my 2000 50n HP Johnson fixes.
@jtswhitewater4940
@jtswhitewater4940 4 жыл бұрын
Your the best dude I’ve got a 70 hp VRO and my pump went today it’s nice to know how to fix it!
@djfonziau
@djfonziau 6 жыл бұрын
i think your clock needed a new battery ;) great videos too, thoroughly enjoy them
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, battery all done. ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmrdfmeXo8iHjck
@BADBRAD1959
@BADBRAD1959 3 жыл бұрын
Had one of these VRO's on 115 Fast Strike. Stopped pushing gas, disassembled checked it all out, did all the vacuum tests couldn't find a thing wrong with it. Replaced all the rubber bits re-tested, it passed all the vacuum checks in the manual. I installed it in the boat, same issue no fuel to carbs. Took it off and replaced with a fuel pump without VRO section on it. Run premix now never could figure out why the other one wouldn't pump fuel.
@craigd5169
@craigd5169 7 жыл бұрын
I work on these 60 degree loopers alot, major problem with carbs is the plastic float bowls, they warp and start leaking, other than that it's a great fuel delivery system, very responsive and not hard to maintain, I own a 2005 model 150 that's been a great engine
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
+craigd51 You're are the second person to mention the carb bowls warping, I'll make sure I double check for leaks when I first prime it.
@mongoosevacations
@mongoosevacations 7 жыл бұрын
craigd51 I second that on warping float bowls
@krishall3187
@krishall3187 4 ай бұрын
What's the best fix for this? Are the available or discontinued?
@craigd5169
@craigd5169 4 ай бұрын
@@krishall3187 new OEM bowls are available from Evinrude, if you swap to new ones don’t forget to change the high speed jet over to the new ones
@timjohnun4297
@timjohnun4297 Ай бұрын
Come back Stu, we miss you!
@SuperJaguar7777
@SuperJaguar7777 4 жыл бұрын
I just have that problem now and I order the pump and I see this video now and I don’t know they have the kit for that pump so I my gonna order the kit to fix the old one that way I have one spare good video 🎼🎶🎺👍🚣‍♀️I’m from Orlando Florida
@cfauvel
@cfauvel 5 жыл бұрын
NOTE: at 11:43 that hose you mentioned as the pulse hose is actually the fuel inlet hose....the pulse hose is on the air motor side (where the main spring is)...Also that piston does not drive the pump. the air motor side is what drives the pump to give it the linear motion.There are check valves in the air motor side that First pulls a vacuum, then Second pushes air in front of the air motor diaphragm.....that in/out pulse squeezes the mainspring. While it is squeezing the mainspring it is drawing fuel into the chamber (the other side where the hamster cage and brown flapper is), and it is drawing oil into the piston's bore. When the pressure on the air motor side is enough to over power the smaller spring, the main spring pushes the whole linkage towards the oil side...the piston shoots towards the oil side forcing the oil though tiny channels into the mixing chamber. it is hard to describe what is going on in english....I'm going to enlist an animator to animate the goings on. Sorry to be a booger and contradict you. I DO enjoy your videos very much, it is just you got this wrong. I hate to derail, but....I did some research that I think you'd like to read. forums.iboats.com/forum/engine-repair-and-maintenance/johnson-evinrude-outboards/10424150-just-a-little-insight-into-the-oil-side-of-the-vro2-oms
@franciscoperna7963
@franciscoperna7963 2 жыл бұрын
Wow very educational and detailed explanation 👀👍
@daimlerblanco3752
@daimlerblanco3752 6 жыл бұрын
The best maestro ever thanks
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!
@mxr7586
@mxr7586 4 жыл бұрын
The vro pump is what took a couple cylinders in mine. So the motor was rebuilt and snipped the wires to the new vro pump and premix it now for 10 years.
@bobpitt1261
@bobpitt1261 6 жыл бұрын
Another terrific video Stu, thanks. That VRO pump looks like it came out of the "Alien" movie.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob. Yes, they are crazy looking. :)
@robsmith1623
@robsmith1623 6 жыл бұрын
great video as always. i have johnson 150 60 degree motor. i have been pre mixing. my vro/fuel pump has taken a hit. very expensive and i don't use vro. i purchased a after market retro fit fuel pump only. hope it all lines up. cheers from Tampa, Forida
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, good luck with the swap over. :)
@jacklowe3788
@jacklowe3788 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mate for the video s really appreciate it!
@thom7623
@thom7623 5 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on how to illuminate the vro pump and just use a premix of fuel?
@WillsGarage91
@WillsGarage91 7 жыл бұрын
Nice work Stu!! Can't wait for part 2!
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will, I'm looking forward to getting this back together too. :)
@wilassguess
@wilassguess 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty awesome octopus you have there. A bit complicated. Nice work.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it looks a bit daunting as a unit but when you take each part one at a time it isn't too bad.
@garystetler4358
@garystetler4358 7 жыл бұрын
Another great video. I do premix cause I just don't trust those VRO pumps.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gary. Yes, better safe than sorry!
@adrianopereiralima1901
@adrianopereiralima1901 3 жыл бұрын
Boa noite, gosto muito dos seus vídeos! Eu venho aprendendo sempre com seus vídeos.
@mikehenderson7371
@mikehenderson7371 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks stu I will try and check hating and then Process. Of ilimination
@toddwolgamuth6673
@toddwolgamuth6673 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Stu! Thank you for these really informative and helpful vids! I know the post is over a year old, but I am rebuilding this same engine currently (Johnson) and I have a comment that may help or assist others in the future. Inspecting and cleaning all carbs as you are in this video,I started with #6 because that is my worst cylinder (scoring and probable heat damage) and I am still trying to determine the exact cause. I have mixed feelings about the plastic carbs also because as I re-assembled #6 carb, I found a crack in the float bowl on the side of the low speed circuit reservoir (where the brass pick-up tube sits). As I inspected the other carbs, I found almost identical cracks on EVERY one in the same location! Number 6 is the worst of them, but they all have at least a noticeable hairline crack. Also, most of the mixture screws were turned out 11 - 14 turns. The manual says beginning setting is 5 turns out. I was pondering how a crack in the idle fuel/air reservoir might lean out a mixture and require a much richer setting. Anyway, I am waiting on 6 new float bowls and thinking about how to pro-actively protect them from the same fate. I wish I could post a picture of the crack, but if you look at the side of the carb with the low speed circuit cover (5 screws), below that there is a vertical rectangular portion on the lower right, just left of the float bowl screw. The cracks appear on that little rectangular portion that is bumped out. THANKS AGAIN for all the help from Woodstock, New York, USA! Todd W.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Todd, thanks for sharing your experience. It certainly sounds like something people should keep an eye out for. It sounds to me like maybe down the track somebody over tightened the float bowls when reinstalling causing these cracks.
@toddwolgamuth6673
@toddwolgamuth6673 6 жыл бұрын
It is a bit of a mystery that all six have virtually the same crack even if they were all overtightened during their life (actually, none of the screws seemed very tight). I am curious to see if the new ones have any beginning hairline crack as it almost seems like a flaw in the molding process. I also wonder if any others have noticed a similar crack in their carbs. Anyway, it is not likely the cause of my engine issue, but it certainly wasn't going to help! Thanks again for the great vids!
@bowesproject2304
@bowesproject2304 7 жыл бұрын
nice to say it's starting to go back together we'll look forward to the rest of the videos
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, I'm looking forward to getting this back together too!
@louissparks2496
@louissparks2496 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Good video, though I would have preferred to see you explain how to take the carbs and base plate off motor on boat.Got myself a t-shirt to thank you for all the information you provide.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, unfortunately this is a part of a larger project so doing it as a standalone job wasn't possible, but I do know what you mean about showing some tasks start to finish. Thanks for buying a t-shirt! :)
@pavilreutov1821
@pavilreutov1821 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comeback. I figured out today my outboard is running on one piston, it has spark, spark plugs are good, I cleaned my carburetors somewhat, and checked the compression all at 80psi. What else can I do? I haven't done a vacuum test yet. I'm about to clean my carbs again. FYI the very bottom piston is the one that's firing
@jb41161
@jb41161 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Stu, I enjoy all the videos, but the Evinrude ones in particular as I've always had Johnson outboards, just worked out that way. I've never fully trusted the VRO system and removed it from my last outboard. One less thing to worry about. The smoke never bothered me, in fact it is one of my favorite smells, smells like freedom. Keep em coming,.....Tony
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Tony, it's funny you should say that. Years ago my mate Paul and I were talking about how two stroke is a bad smell, but the association is a good one, I know what you are saying. :)
@deanfulford69
@deanfulford69 7 жыл бұрын
nice work
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dean. :)
@visionroad679
@visionroad679 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice man! Thanks! :)
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. :)
@glensims7959
@glensims7959 7 жыл бұрын
on some models there are aluminum Welch plugs on the side of the throttle body that are notorious for drawing excess air into the idle/mid-range fuel circuit and this causes a lean condition on the cylinders effected at all speeds except WOT. Always tighten those plugs up with a proper sized punch and a few taps with a hammer. It looks like this one has a plate and gasket covering the throttle body ports, so I would replace those gaskets (6) just to be sure. Also be sure to remove the pulse limiter and be sure no debris is restricting flow through it. Better yet....just replace it to be sure since they are not expensive.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Good tip, I'll be sure to check those out. I do have a full gasket kit for this outboard so I will be replacing them all as we go.
@fachu2
@fachu2 7 жыл бұрын
BTW Stu I have a set of #72D high speed jets if you need them out of a 175HP, it will depend on what the current 150 jets are, they could be #56 or #70 and #71. If you wanted to go up 1 size.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason, I'll take one carb off and see what's in there. I did a bit of work on it last night (water in the fuel tank after all this rain unfortunately), but it is getting very close to starting!
@fachu2
@fachu2 7 жыл бұрын
No problem, if you want them they are all yours. I have a few other new items you can also have. Carb gaskets, and T stats, etc... NO use to me now.
@kitten8440
@kitten8440 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for making these great video's I was wondering not long ago you mentioned making a video on the Joe Reeves timing method I'm really looking forward to seeing that video
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, I really must do that one soon. Thanks for the reminder.
@theoldwizard998
@theoldwizard998 7 жыл бұрын
I must have missed this video the first time around ! VRO are blamed for many problems. Disassembly and inspection is the proper thing to do and probably should be done after about 10 years. You need to carefully inspect the hoses all the way back to the oil tank to make sure there are no air leaks or restrictions in the hose. For good measure, drain, remove and clean the oil reservoir tank. This should be done maybe every 5 years.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, periodic inspection certainly can save you from a whole lot of trouble. Completely agree with cleaning the tank out every few years too.
@daveroberts811
@daveroberts811 6 жыл бұрын
Dangar Marine I enjoy ur KZbin videos
@titanpatriottitanpatriot9078
@titanpatriottitanpatriot9078 6 жыл бұрын
That would be so sweet if you did a video on that because there are so many people that hate them. And don't trust them so they want them disconnected thanks yer awesome
@fachu2
@fachu2 7 жыл бұрын
They also recommend running pre mix for the first 10 hours after a rebuild.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, will definitely be doing this.
@dannyvaughan1210
@dannyvaughan1210 4 жыл бұрын
Hi mate would u have an idea what problem im having.my boat will only rev to 3000rpm it's a 1999 evinrude 225hp 2 stroke
@hepeng2627
@hepeng2627 Жыл бұрын
thanks share this video
@chrissummers2689
@chrissummers2689 5 жыл бұрын
I am surprised you didn't have to replace the float bowls. These carbs are notorious for warping, creating a gap between the bowl and carb body.
@iainmackenzie2237
@iainmackenzie2237 Жыл бұрын
Hi Dangar I've watched many of your videos, I live in Zimbabwe Africa and have a 150 evinrude entruder. Can you explain the return fuel lines and there uses? You mentioned in one video that you weren't sure what they were for and where they connected! On a rebuild, but I'm sure you have found out by now ? Many thanks for your great teaching! Keep it up 👍🏼🙏🏼
@truthbetold2012
@truthbetold2012 7 жыл бұрын
its 12.30 at night and I'm gripped to the edge of my seat..what will the autopsy result reveal?…who killed the evinrude?…was it a flathead?..was it old mate on the jetty?..was it the stealthy jewfisherman in the early hours near the bridge?..the suspense:)
@modemagic1
@modemagic1 7 жыл бұрын
We've all been wondering that and Stu is keeping us in suspense! :-)
@Josephguestable
@Josephguestable 7 жыл бұрын
mynameismud improper fuel mixture or the head was warped whenever it was last rebuilt are the only two I can think of at this point. Im sure eits something more complicated tho.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew! I'm really starting to suspect timing now but we'll see where that is at when it all goes back together.
@truthbetold2012
@truthbetold2012 7 жыл бұрын
suspense string.
@markolav7017
@markolav7017 7 жыл бұрын
As in pre-ignition issues due to timing being out ?
@johnbladykas4454
@johnbladykas4454 7 жыл бұрын
Lower cylinders that have a burnt piston from a lean condition is from a leak in the crankcase. Pressure and vacuum testing. A good hint is your exhaust gasket is usually the problem
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
When the powerhead went back on a new gasket went in and it was treated with the sealants as recommended in the service manual so I'm pretty confident that any leak that may have been there will now be gone. Any tips on pressure testing the crankcase on an outboard?
@johnbladykas4454
@johnbladykas4454 7 жыл бұрын
Dangar Marine yeah you have to block carb inputs spark plugs in and exhaust. Pressure to 7-10 Psi. Spray soap water for air leaks. Sometimes you can't pressurize to crankcase because of a gross leak and you need a constant 7psi. And then repeat to vacuum to 10 inches and then spray a light oil to see an increase in vacuum. When completed then do a compression test and no adjacent cylinder should be the same but all cylinders should be within 10 % of each other. This is to see if the labyrinth are sealing between cylinders
@richgonzalez4985
@richgonzalez4985 5 жыл бұрын
As a diesel mechanic venturing into marine life I fully enjoy your tutorials. I actually dabbled in motorcycles for awhile as well and It’s not to far off relatively speaking. I will be purchasing a twin pack of Evinrude 250’s in a week or so. I was wondering if you did find anything that caused the 150 to crap out?
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 5 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not. There are a few theories from blocked carbs causing it to run lean through to water in the fuel, but no definitive answer.
@russwilkerson2741
@russwilkerson2741 Жыл бұрын
Thanks STU. You’ve given me hope on my granddad’s Evinrude 120 vro. 1985. Hasn’t ran in years but never been in salt water. Bass boat. Question is after checking carbs and such should I replace water pump impeller before I start or wait till it’s starts first. I’ve heard that particulates could potentially block water pump flow. Your advise please.
@Brewdiss
@Brewdiss 5 жыл бұрын
My shirt arrived today. I guess we'll see how long The 1990 gt 175 Johnson keeps running? New filters today. They dont like water.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 5 жыл бұрын
New filters are always a good thing.
@toolbox7890
@toolbox7890 6 жыл бұрын
love your videos so helpful. I have a 1983 Johnson 140 hp outboard I have put new plugs new fuel pump and cleaned the carbs with spray cleaner did a compression test and my numbers are 115 120 115 115 put it runs like it is under power what would cause that and how can I fix it .Your the best guy and keep the videos coming
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
I would be checking you have spark on every cylinder and the timing is correct at full throttle.
@darylreadman3596
@darylreadman3596 2 жыл бұрын
All I have ever heard about OMC VRO's is disconnect them and don't take the risk...interesting. Just going over my first ever OMC - 1996 Johnson 130hp and it drove the guy nuts so he gave it away. Beautiful motor but I picked it up in pieces on a pallet. Nothing wrong except the flywheel center magnet so far. I think the mechanic involved wasn't a subscriber to Dangar marine, I am having a blast putting it together.
@stanpatterson5033
@stanpatterson5033 7 жыл бұрын
Carburetors - one of the few cases where transitioning from a metal material to a plastic material seems to have been a great idea. Wonder how long before someone tries making exhaust-related parts out of some funky form of plastic... lol. As for VOR pumps, I'm the type of guy who loves to hate newfangled, complex devices that are (sometimes) to complex for Joe Homegamer to service himself, but in the case of 2-stroke gasoline engines requiring mixed fuel (and differing mixes depending on how they're being run at the time), I think it was a great idea that perhaps was long overdue. An as for the 150, like others, I can't wait to see the girl back in action too. Certainly hope you don't hit any more snags along the way.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Stan, I was really impressed with the build of those carbs, plastic really works in that application. I also agree that it makes a lot of sense to vary the amount of oil going into a two stroke. The smoke they make at idle is nuts otherwise!
@ronpowell2373
@ronpowell2373 7 жыл бұрын
ahh, but the smell of Nitro brings back so many memories - model planes, and cars, my dirt bike days, gravel rash etc. Nothing beats that smell as I only ever get it when I am relaxing or having fun! yep - addicted for life.
@lawrence1md
@lawrence1md 4 жыл бұрын
Dangar Marine- I’m always cautious about those oil injectors. I’d rather mix my fuel and know it was done.
@johnmcdonald3021
@johnmcdonald3021 Жыл бұрын
Ha I have 70 Johnsons I have change plug leads and stater pack it’s run’s fantastic for the first hour or so then it goes into lup mode can’t go past 3000 rpm water pump is working great can you help thankyou John
@alangrant5278
@alangrant5278 Жыл бұрын
Ahhh mate I’m so happy you made this video. I have a 2005 Johnson 90 2 stroke. It’s great to see someone else working in one the same or similar. Mine is smoky when cold starting. More than it used to be. Once warmed all is good. Any clues why that might be? I just the Seloc service manual and it seems to be a very good book packed with useful info. Except the font is tiny and I struggle to read it! All the best Stu. Today my new dangar marine shirt arrived. My way of supporting your channel. Keep up the good work dude !
@jamie9455
@jamie9455 7 жыл бұрын
The brass tube that sticks out the bottom of the carb (6:04) and goes to the bottom of the float bowl should be for the choke circuit. The bottom of that tube has a TINY hole in it and gets blocked easily. U can guess how fun it is trying to start an engine if its blocked:)
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Ah, very interesting I was wondering about that as this carb is a very different design to the Yamahas and Hondas I am used to. So what activates the choke circuit?
@jamie9455
@jamie9455 7 жыл бұрын
Ok so at the top of that dip tube it should lead to a chamber that bypasses the butterfly (if it is in fact the choke). Generally this chamber is blocked by a plunger operated by the choke cable. When the plunger is opened the air goes through the chamber bypassing the butterfly and enrichening the mixture. There might be an auto choke mechanism on this OB? Typically all motorcycle carbs and other small engine chokes operate this way
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
A plunger makes sense, but I didn't see one on this carb. I'll take a look at the service manual and see what it says but it is good to know that that type of choke is out there. Thanks!
@jamie9455
@jamie9455 7 жыл бұрын
BTW I love a good carb over EFI any day. Set them up well and they never let u down. I've dealt mostly with motorcycle carbs but I always set the float levels on the bench using the wet method to ensure fuel level isnt too high in the bowl or it'll always run rich, runs too lean if level too low. I imagine this method can be used on an OB, car etc same as a bike
@jamie9455
@jamie9455 7 жыл бұрын
Dangar Marine A sure way to know is if you look at the end of that tube and it appears to be blocked off except for the tiny pin hole then its definitely part of the choke system :)
@jimbogasoline2042
@jimbogasoline2042 7 жыл бұрын
A while ago i told u about my merc 50 with oil injection that was leaking oil on cowl floor. I replaced the line from the oil tank to pump (which was stretched). I still had oil leaking. The only other possible reason was a 2 psi check vale. i replaced and problem solved. My pump is crank driven so its a little different. The older (80s) model had a bad problem with a plastic gear but mine is metal so apparently its a great sytem and actually advised NOT TO go to premix. I have heard horry stories about older johnny vros but don't know if it was certain years. On other 2 strokes there is a idle and wot line to calibrate and check vro. On my merc i only have an idle line and the manual suggest to pull line and measure in a cup the oil output. I wish my merc had both lines because there is some slop in the oil pump linkage and its pissn me off!! I want to know for sure im getting lubed up at all rpms lol
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you got the problem solved. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that it gives you all the oil you need!
@Artur1959
@Artur1959 6 жыл бұрын
8:59 : ..."Fuel mixture that then goes off to the carburetors..." VRO systems do not deliver mixed fuel/oil to the carbs. Oil is directed to the reed valves depending on engine RPM.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't. This pump simply mixes oil into the fuel proportional to RPM. ww2-secure.justanswer.com/uploads/whitesmarine/2010-02-10_183813_VRO.jpg
@boaterbill5346
@boaterbill5346 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not much of a fan of those plastic johnyrude carbs, I do like the the lack of scale and corrosion but on the other hand they are notorious for leaks at the float bowl gasket due to warping of both the bowls and the carb bodies, u have to be very careful not to overtighten the bowl screws or they are easily warped. I also had one set, both banks, that would flood after I rebuilt them, all new parts, correct float heights, they were fine off the engine but once bolted on with the correct torque all would overflow the bowls. I fixed the issue by buying and rebuilding a used set of carbs. You probably did this but don't forget to check the needle, seat, and float height in the vapor separator tank in the middle of the octopus and a new cover gasket for the tank isn't a bad idea. Also check the filter behind the white nut but again u probably know this.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Hey mate, appreciate the tips. I'm not familiar at all with these Evinrudes so happy to hear any tips people have. I did check the filter but I didn't know about the VST so I'm glad you mentioned it. Thank you! :)
@hownowbrowntrouttasmania7389
@hownowbrowntrouttasmania7389 3 жыл бұрын
Great!!!!!!!!!
@ashkanp3388
@ashkanp3388 Жыл бұрын
Hi mate, thanks for all your tutorials it’s so wonderful and useful, I’ve got envinrude 200 ocean pro, this engine smoke so much I checked and clean carb. And it’s all okay Can you tell me what could be the problem here please? My guess is spending more oil than petrol but VRO looks okay. Thanks again
@Garret141076
@Garret141076 5 жыл бұрын
The diaphragm with big spring make the pump motion not the oil pump. On the other side of the diaphragm, where fuel pump is connected to diaphragm, is a oil seal which is hold in place by a metal ring. If this seal is not in place or metal ring is missing, than carbs won't get enough fuel. In your video at 12:22 I can't see the seal.
@johnnykarlsson4466
@johnnykarlsson4466 Жыл бұрын
Hey Stu! Thanks for a pleasent informative video . I wounder if you have the part number for the piston seal ? I cannot find it and my fast strike 150 -93 realy needs one Regards , Johnny
@arthurpauletti9342
@arthurpauletti9342 Жыл бұрын
Why would fuel come out of those plastic carbs when idling or when starting
@robbynelson3
@robbynelson3 7 жыл бұрын
A lot of guys just delete the VRO and pre-mix. Less things to go wrong I guess. I am told though, that VRO actually adjusts mixture based on RPM's. At idle you don't necessarily want same ratio as WOT. Too much oil can cause damage the same way as too little?
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
There is no doubt that premix is safer. As you touch on, the trouble with premix is you add the ration required for WOT so you get way too much oil at idle. Automixing is a great idea, something that ETEC has taken to limit, but if it fails it can go very wrong. Too much oil really just means carbonisation of pistons and plugs, much better than too little oil!
@jeffjarry4257
@jeffjarry4257 6 жыл бұрын
Great video i know its been awhile since this video was made. I have been watching a lot of your videos and thank you for sharing your knowledge. I think alot of boaters at the dock over revs There motor in neutral just trying to warm it up. Could That causes damage without knowing. thanks again
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff. I think it is best to keep the revs lower until the motor warms up a bit, but with a two stroke you also then run the risk of fouling up the plugs unfortunately.
@mychau6191
@mychau6191 2 жыл бұрын
Why my fuel pump in 1985 Johnson outboard 115 hp doesn’t have the power cords ?
@stevereibelt1289
@stevereibelt1289 3 жыл бұрын
with the vro allways remove large diapham as they break down from the sealing point on the inside
@shanebarrett5827
@shanebarrett5827 2 жыл бұрын
How often do you see these Johnson 150 carb bowls cracked? Mine is a 2004 always garage kept and all 6 have identical cracks. Motor has never been worked on. Also I’m going to delete the vro should I replace it with a plain fuel pump. I think they make an oem replacement that bolts in place of the vro.
@kenmazza1766
@kenmazza1766 2 жыл бұрын
I have had nothing but headaches from the Bowles warping from ethanol. Have you ever used rtv sealant on the plastic warping
@cjsummer4403
@cjsummer4403 3 ай бұрын
Do not. I just cleaned a set that had rtv over the gasket, it gets all through the system. Just buy new bowls and omc gaskets
@spawnlawn9754
@spawnlawn9754 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Dangar! I have a J225hglssc and out of nowhere have encountered a problem. If I start the engine cold and burn it to my fishing spot, my bass boat jumps on plane and will fly to destination. Then I drop trolling motor and fish for a while. The engine starts up sounds a smidge week at idle and when I hit the hot foot the boat takes three times as long to get on plane and will only run 45-50 as opposed to 65-70? In short, it will act like normal on the way out. When I’m done fishing that spot and try to relocate engine feels like it’s only producing half power. The VRO is disabled and I mix my fuel at 50:1. Your thoughts?
@Anderlis-Z-D
@Anderlis-Z-D 6 ай бұрын
Hi ! Good job , an thanks for the video . Where I can find the service manual from Evinrude intruder spitfire series 175hp ? I’m blessed if find it
@algonzalez8798
@algonzalez8798 3 жыл бұрын
seeing how nice everything looks, I would be checking for too much advance or the proper prop size and style.....did they just over rev the motor? the piston tops would show signs pf pre-detonation?
@terrypearson9961
@terrypearson9961 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1988 Evinrude that goes coughing when Arlington dies and you can start it back up how can I fix the problem
@donaldvoss1645
@donaldvoss1645 4 жыл бұрын
Hey great video I'm having a issue with my fuel pump too I bought it off the internet it's a 120 Johnson project boat is it possible to run the primer bulb straight to the fuel pump also I noticed the puls hose from the pump to the block where it slips over the fitting inside is blocked off is that normal
@controlledchaos721
@controlledchaos721 3 ай бұрын
My 93 evinrude 150 starts at home with the water hose hooked up but as soon as i put it in the water it won't start. Any ideas. I'm lost
@mattfrapple7911
@mattfrapple7911 7 жыл бұрын
Who's finding this rebuild stu? Gotta be getting expensive!Cheers Matt
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
The owner is paying for all the parts and the plan is to sell it once it is finished. I still think it is worth more than we have spent.
@gary9681
@gary9681 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Stu, sorry if you answered this already. I am rebuilding carbs on my 1988 Johnson 150 and wanted to know if it is common practice to use gasket sealer on both sides of carb/manifold gasket? Or none at all?
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
I generally use none but if you get a leak you could certainly try some sealer.
@scottd3532
@scottd3532 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I have a 96 johnson 40 hp,,I want too disconnect the vro too eliminate the oil tank getting in the way in my small boat.can I just disconnect the line off the oil tank and plug it?..the vro doesn't seem to be working anyway ,the oil level isnt going down in the tank I've been premixing feul too be safe
@arthurpauletti9342
@arthurpauletti9342 Жыл бұрын
Is there a way to convert this particular vro to basic pump and pre mix gas
@theoldwizard998
@theoldwizard998 7 жыл бұрын
Any 2 stroke that has auto oil injection should have the oil injection system, removed, inspected and clean every 5-10 years. This should also include removing the external oil tank and cleaning it. Last all oil and fuel hoses should be carefully inspected at the same time. The tiniest of vacuum leak on either the oil or fuel systems can cause issues. Replace any suspect hose.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like good advice.
@clayw2743
@clayw2743 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm in the process of rebuilding the vro in my outboard but am finding some bits hard to source ie the oil piston 'o' ring. Could you please pass on your evinrude supplier. I'm assuming you got that 'o' ring. Cheers.
@DangarMarine
@DangarMarine 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate. I got the parts for that motor through MarineEngine.com
@thegallolife
@thegallolife 7 жыл бұрын
I don't miss getting carb cleaner in my eyes.
@jeremybanks719
@jeremybanks719 4 жыл бұрын
I miss it, almost as much fun as getting laquer thinner in ur eyes. Ohh the good times. Lol. It sucks but I thought gas n that stuff was bad, I got a drip of condescension from plumbing flux in my eye once. Now that was great, I supper maned off top of a 12 foot step ladder into a tuck n roll had slung my gloves off n mid roll and yelling at boss to do something, spit, pop hell piss in my eye I didn't care. That shit had acid in it, it was a self tinning cleaning flux. Wicked shit
@blakenitta8849
@blakenitta8849 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 115 johnson 2001 v4 can you show where the balance hose for the balance tube manifold connect to? thank you
@krishall3187
@krishall3187 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for your videos. In question to the float bowls warping what is the best way to repair this? Are they available or discontuned?
@cjsummer4403
@cjsummer4403 3 ай бұрын
New bowls, the are available
@nevs9741
@nevs9741 5 жыл бұрын
wow
@johnwaller8351
@johnwaller8351 2 жыл бұрын
I need help re and re of cables for throttle and gear shift on a 9.9 mercury 2 stroke. Tiller
@puffandstuff72
@puffandstuff72 4 жыл бұрын
i have a 1978 115etl78C Johnson Seahorse. I have soaked and cleaned the two carbs. Question. Whats the difference between a jet and the idle orifice (317646) and the plug (309781). Also, when replacing the orifice, do I have to lightly seat and then back it out Thirteen turns? Lastly, how does one replace the Plug? What's the Plug's purpose?
@emitowww
@emitowww 2 ай бұрын
The number of turns varies greatly between models. You should check the factory setting for your particular engine. The bowl plug its just there to drain the fuel if you need to.
@dutchgrow
@dutchgrow 4 ай бұрын
Just rebuild 4 carbs like these because they where leaking gas into the air silencer. After rebuild they still leak and not a little bit. Driving me nuts. You got any idea why they keep leaking?
@cjsummer4403
@cjsummer4403 3 ай бұрын
Did you use the white ring under the needle seat? If so take them out
@leebatt7964
@leebatt7964 4 жыл бұрын
Had 2 of these vro motors, wound up disconnecting the vro and running premix on both. I like the theory of vro but really could not get myself to fully trust them in practice. Not to mention how f’ing expensive they are to replace.
@SuperJaguar7777
@SuperJaguar7777 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I have a question I have a Evenrude 225 ocean pro and the I change the gas pump because don’t keep the pressure and I primer again and full the gas line engine is running then take all the gas and stop because running out gas again I need help in this one
@Fran7757
@Fran7757 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dangar Marine. I have a Johnson 90 VRO outboard motor on my boat. The engine has a problem. I think the problem is in the carburetors. I have disassembled the four carburetors and cleaned them but the problem continues. The engine stops when it accelerates little. The engine if fast accelerates is revolutionized but with low revolutions stops. The gasoline pump works well and sends gasoline with pressure. Can you help me? please
@dalesouthwick6932
@dalesouthwick6932 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Problem idle is great put in gear 3/4 good full throttle starts dying if not fast enough dies. 90 evenruide any ideas please sir?
@caedmonjones9982
@caedmonjones9982 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, It sounds like the same issue I am having with my 90hp Johnson. Have you found out what was wrong with it? I am currently just tinkering around with mine.
@anthonyfrank426
@anthonyfrank426 3 жыл бұрын
How do I find the link an sync procedures for a 1986 johnson 140hp v4 60 degree
@daveroberts811
@daveroberts811 6 жыл бұрын
Hi I have a 1986 40hp evinrude vro outboard and I am having gas leaking when I pump the primer bull it looks like the leak is comming from the vro I have the vro fuel pump repair kit
@cjkinser
@cjkinser 5 жыл бұрын
I have an 89 vro that has been converted to run on mix gas instead of mixing it it's self. From what I've seen you don't adjust the carbs with a vaccume guage. Is that correct? If so, how can a guy adjust them?
@michaelthorpe9560
@michaelthorpe9560 4 жыл бұрын
hi buddy, I have a Johnson 140hp (about 1987 ish!) and as you know it has this VRO pump on it,, I really don't trust them, is that just me or what?,, I would really like to know what you think about them,, if you were me, what would you personally do?,, would you get it taken off and then use it as an anchor?,, and pre mix my fuel in the main tank,, (all 135 lts of it!) as that is not hard to do, and is not really any hardship!,, or are these VRO's safe for old engines?, because I fell an old engine could benefit from a richer mix of oil,, (and then changing the spark plugs a little more often,, which is also no hardship!) what would you do if you were in my place?,, put up with a little more smoke with the satisfaction of knowing you have oil in the cylinders or stick with this VRO pump?,, and hope the engine don't go with a bang one day out on the sea,, miles from land with 6 people on board and only one hamburger and a half used up 6 pack of beer left to drink,, plus only the one bullet left in your gun? what should I do?
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