1991 Gulf War: First Low Level B-52 Bombing Raid In History | DCS Reenactment

[@SR-lo8yg]

My dad was actually squadron commander on this mission irl. He received the distinguished flying cross for it, which I have a copy of hanging in my office. Haven't watched it yet but looking forward to it.

[@bobmcguirk7272]

I bet I knew your dad. I was a tail gunner on the B-52s.

[@SR-lo8yg]

@@bobmcguirk7272 out of diego?

[@bobmcguirk7272]

@@SR-lo8yg Yes. We deployed there from Loring, Maine. There were crews there from a few other bases also.

[@SR-lo8yg]

@@bobmcguirk7272 actually he also deployed to diego from loring! I bet you do know each other! thats pretty cool. I dont like giving away too much personal info on a public thing, is Maj. R. enough to jog your memory? I think his callsign was squeaky, but im not sure

[@bobmcguirk7272]

@@SR-lo8yg I meant to reply, but not sure if I did. Was his first and last initial R? My name is in the listed here so you can ask if he remembers me.

[@PilotPhotog]

So happy to have been able to fly with the Reapers on this mission - thanks for having me and next time hopefully my connection doesn't drop at the end!

[@pks15032]

Great to watch the whole thing. Loved it, cheers guys.

[@grimreapers]

Cheers Tog see you soon. xx

[@scottnj2503]

Awesome my friend.😎

[@PilotPhotog]

@@scottnj2503 Thanks Scott!

[@okcstormchaser]

When I heard 'tog' I immediately thought of you but obviously wasn't sure, but now I know! I'll be seeing some of y'all on the stone burner server soon I've almost put together all of my stuff, still have to put together my chair and un box some more accessories but I'm getting excited, I'm kinda handicapped so it's taking me awhile to put my stuff together unfortunately but I spent a fortune on my new computer, monitor, all the planes I'd eventually want when they were on sale, etc... but all I'm still waiting for is my pedals to come in and put the rest of stuff together, I'm hoping to get it all online and installed and downloaded within the next week or so. Congrats on the first flying mission with the guys, hope I'm able to in the future at some point. Cheers

[@JohnSmith-qj9tb]

Regarding low level B-52 strikes, the general in Dr Strangelove said it best: "..if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low (spreads his arms like wings), you oughtta see it sometime Mr President, it's a sight! A big plane like a '52.... VRROOM!!!!! There's jet exhaust fryin' chickens in the barnyard. Has he got a chance? HELL YEAH HE'S GOT A CHANCE MR PRESIDENT!!!"

[@Anthony_9211]

The incomparable George C Scott!

[@radical137]

Beat me to the Dr Strangelove reference, it's hard to forget Slim Pickens in the cockpit doing the low level ingress.

[@preserveourpbfs7128]

This is true

[@joeroganjosh9333]

‘Good weekend in Dallas’ edited to ‘Vegas (lip-readers can see it they say) after the JFK assassination.

[@JonathanHStone]

B-36: "Two Turning, Two Burning, Two Smoking, Two Choking, and Two Unaccounted for"

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

I like it when Cap reads us a story

[@mikeck4609]

Tab, you’re right about the B-52‘s. I Believe the first few nights of desert storm some B-52‘s came in low about 200 feet off the ground and dropped their bombs. From an AirForce study: “At first war planners used the B-52Gs for night strikes employing the electro-optical viewing system using a forward looking infrared (FLIR) and low-level-light TV sensors to improve low-level night penetration. Then as the Coalition gained air-supremacy, the BUFFs began operating around the clock.”

[@johnwolf2829]

I was there, on the ground. We could see & hear B-52 raids on the front lines. You could also feel it through the soles of your boots.... ten miles away. At first it was like; "Yeah, get 'em!" but after a while it was "Jeez, those poor bastards, what is going ON over there?"

[@theswiller85]

I knew a B-52 test pilot. He used to fly out of edwards. He said it was scary how well the buff handled. He told me of the techniques of flying the beast and i was amazed at the details and muscle needed

[@robertlight2370]

I've heard stories that an unloaded B-52 could out turn an F-4 at altitude.

[@vintagepairdisplayteam910]

You needed your HUD brightness turning down to help forward vis with the NVG.

[@grimreapers]

Thx Dave x

[@alexmaclean1]

Happy Thursday lunch break!

[@godlugner5327]

How'd you know

[@scubafella45]

In the late ‘80’ I was at Ft Drum, in the Army and a Fire Support guy. Out on the OP we’d see B52’s doing low level runs with practice bombs more than once. It was pretty cool..The SAC guys had put some old tanks painted orange out in the impact area as an aim point. We were out there doing a lane and the JTACS had A10s doing gun runs on the SAC targets. The SAC guys showed up and they were pretty unhappy. The A10s were shredding their radar aimpoint targets.

[@melvinsteinberg8717]

I have an old article from an old military magazine that followed a BUFF crew on a training mission in the 80's. They had a low level run through the desert where they were able to hold 50 feet off the deck with the terrain following radar. Crazy to think of that big of a plane smoking along that low pushing 500mph.

[@markhamstra1083]

Crazier to see it up close. In the 80’s I was sailing on Lake Michigan when a stream of BUFFs on a training flight had to increase their altitude to be sure they would clear our mast.

[@melvinsteinberg8717]

@@markhamstra1083 sooo cool!! Would have loved to seen that. I imagine the noise was amazing.

[@Maverick0451]

Brilliant mission!! This had some stellar views in the sunset, and later on with the night vision up. Damn fine flying as always Grim Reapers!!

[@theswiller85]

Tog…. I know that voice. Thats “PilotPhotog”…. What up tog! Glad to see you here!!!

[@hotfightinghistory9224]

A new GR vid dropping while Im chilling in my car on lunch makes me certain I should buy a lotto ticket today. If I win, GR wins too!

[@SeanChYT]

The engineers that created the huge Kuznetsov NK-12 turboprop engines for the Soviet Tu-95 "Bear" bomber were also "stolen" from "somewhere" in the late 1940's. They didn't have a good time in Russia.

[@eerienine]

Thanks for putting that together Cap! Stunning!

[@trev8591]

Mightily impressive mission, chaps, but also looks mightily stressful!

[@John_SlideRule_Bullay]

Those scenic views in the long distance flight with GR flying in formation are incedible. Cap, you should take snapshots and put them on T-shirts! Video Valued by Valued Viewer! Fly Army! 🚁

[@John_SlideRule_Bullay]

Oh and the night vision goggle views look scary real! I gotta start playing DCS soon! Fly Army! 🚁

[@pike100]

Fly Army???

[@grimreapers]

Cool

[@John_SlideRule_Bullay]

@@pike100 Fly Army!

[@saintuk70]

I was on nightshift at Auchentoshan distillery that night - only me and the mashman on duty. We couldn't believe what we were hearing and seeing.

[@roli4040]

I might have some of that whisky that you made then in my bar haha

[@saintuk70]

@@roli4040 ;)

[@R3dd_1247]

Small world

[@michaelputnam2532]

I was going home from college in Iowa in the late 1970's. The land is very flat, but with scattered trees. I just looked at the window and saw something coming over the trees from the South. It was a B52 flying just a bit over the tree tops. Came right over our car and then out of sight. They can certainly fly low if they need to.

[@coffeecat4506]

You guys should do more of these type of scenarios when the Iraq/Afghanistan maps drop!

[@grimreapers]

Yup

[@robandcheryls]

I so did enjoy that “Vintage banter”, I was CSS and have seen nearly everything that flew from ‘90 forward. Canadians Army Vet 🇨🇦

[@grimreapers]

Thanks!

[@jcremeringful]

Never heard of this mission. Very cool and nicely done as always boys!!!!!!!

[@7acersadogandakubota]

We had a B-52 crash here in Maine in 1963 that was practicing low level fight through the mountains. Unfortunately the stresses of low level fight would rip the tail section off and cause the plane to crash. It is a very interesting story that can be found if you look up b-52 elephant mountain crash.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@chrisstopher2277]

Love the night battles. Very cool video. Thank you for your guys work.

[@ElmCreekSmith]

In the 1960's NOTAMS started having "oil-burner run routes" show up for low-level training missions, especially in West Texas. Nothing like watching B-52 pulling up to go over power lines.

[@HughMessenger]

Cap often talks about running a mission in daylight because night would be a boring video. I beg to differ, that was a cracker.

[@grimreapers]

Roger, just can't do it too often as turns viewers off in general.

[@Hitman1978]

Actually the first low-level raids conducted with B-52s happened during the Vietnam War. During the Vietnam War, B-52s were initially used for high-altitude bombing missions in a campaign known as Operation Rolling Thunder. However, as the war progressed, the USAF adapted its tactics in response to the evolving threats and requirements of the conflict. This led to the B-52s being used in a more tactical role, including low-level raids. Operation Linebacker and Operation Linebacker II (sometimes referred to as the Christmas Bombings) saw B-52s flying at lower altitudes to evade radar detection and increase bombing accuracy.

[@Delatta1961]

I was a military Aviator for 21 years, and with very few exceptions, our missions were flown with little or no communication. That’s how detailed the briefings were. This much chatter would cause absolute confusion. You should try doing that once in a while. Also, the trick to flying NVGs is constantly scanning left and right so your brain gets a panoramic picture. It’s easy, unless you’re wearing them

[@silasbland4515]

Cockpit NVG compatible lighting is a thing for a reason.

[@nigeldepledge3790]

Anyone who thinks that a B-52 can't make a low-level attack has clearly never seen Dr. Strangelove.

[@whtalt92]

Didn't need to see Strangelove. I saw 2 B-52s playing tag amongst the hills and valleys in the Eifel not that far from Bitburg.

[@bladeslicemaster5390]

That was nerve racking!

[@Hans_P_G]

A father in Iraq gifted his daughter a new bag. The girl replied, "Thanks for the Baghdad!"

[@walterlemieux5573]

Your critics are right only in that the B-52 wasn't *designed* for low-level missions. But I grew up in upstate New York during the 1960s, and would frequently see B-52s from Griffis Air Force Base flying at very low level up and down the Sauquoit Valley. There were reports of the aircraft sometimes returning with tree branches caught in their bomb bay doors. Not sure if that was true, but it was very cool to have such a good view of them only a mile or so away and seeing them more from the side than from below. I wasn't aware at the time that they were practicing low-level penetration of Soviet airspace.

[@CanonTogger717]

Imagine being in the desert and having B-52s wizz over your head at a few hundred feet

[@paulybassman7311]

B47 stratojet was the keystone for the b52. 6 engines indouble pods and single pods.... + RATO. And the the original b52 had a canopy just like the Tomcat.

[@darrellhartanto4428]

Great video, as always, Cap! But these bots...

[@grimreapers]

It's amazing, YT blocks over 50% of human comments, but seems to allow all bot comments. Not sure what I'm supposed to do? Every time I ban one, another pops up.

[@darrellhartanto4428]

@@grimreapers Yeah, YT has been quite an idiot in dealing with bots like this. No worries, cap; it does not affect your videos!!

[@AEFisch]

B52's constantly trained low level. There are pictures of them doing fly-by's of carriers below deck level. That's skimming the water.

[@jaxompol224]

I asked the gf's parents and they confirmed it was like that and worse during the airstrikes. More scary on the ground for sure.

[@anthonyb5279]

Guys, The operation paper clip thing is exaggerated. As far as Jet engines goes it was Frank Whittle and Barnes Wallis that came over from the UK to help us develop jet engines. The NAZIs had shit jet engines. Frank Whittle was not appreciated in the UK. He had a working prototype of a after burning turbofan working before WW2 started but the UK did not take him seriously. The US was like.. Yes please!

[@hephaestion12]

We had no resources and early jet engines were not impressive - just needed to win the war and britian was completely fucked by the war rationing etc etc... same thing happened with computing advancements and space engineering :( Britain couldnt really afford to do the development i think

[@paulybassman7311]

35:00 cup of Tea and piece of Cake, or for Grump and Simba.... coffee and a Bagel.. (cos Merica) 🤣🇬🇧

[@kaldurak]

I remember watching the 91 gulf war on tv and the news. It was wild how every evening it was green night vision and AA fire streaming across the sky. The fireworks of war.

[@mrbfox1775]

Can’t you turn the hud brightness down? 33:29

[@grimreapers]

My bad

[@mrbfox1775]

@@grimreapers I wonder does the Stone Mountain training server have night flights?

[@saintuk70]

with Chrome Dome - imaging the refuelling logistics

[@berbold]

16:38 When a mummy military aircraft and a daddy military aircraft love each other very much...

[@Delatta1961]

Using absolute minimal lighting with NVGs would lessen the glare in your HUD

[@stretcherbearer1350]

The first B-52 low level raid was Arc Light around Hanoi on March 2, 1965 from about 500 feet.

[@timbaskett6299]

The development history of the BUFF is very interesting.

[@BobH809]

Baghdad, often referred to as Bad-Gag by a rather funny mix of cartoons and writing in a short run publication at work. Better not say who or what company it was. Systems. An F-117 was represented in few cartoons as a(n F-117) shaped series of dotted lines. 'Madman Insane' was another play on words... the 'publication' was called 'Madman Insane - Our Part In His Downfall.'

[@Istandby666]

I don't think the tires would hold up to a 5000 knot landing.

[@DR-jq9bg]

The Buffs are quite amazing! There's a reason there will be around for at least the next 20 years

[@yindyamarra]

I hate war but just love this channel, keep it up

[@grimreapers]

We all hate war, but we love military aviation.

[@ericx777]

"Thanks for lighting the way Cap!" LMAO!

[@speedfiend74]

Any one of you Reapers could be my wingman any day!

[@jsigmo]

B-52s must have been considered for use with low level missions because in the late '70s and early '80s, when I did a lot of work in the oilfields of Wyoming, they would often come screaming over us at an extremely low level, presumably practicing low level runs. You wouldn't hear them coming until they were right on you, and then it was very startling. Very loud, out of nowhere. It made the ground shake.

[@mrkeogh]

@Cap Boeing learned a LOT from the B-47, and that thing was fast. Makes sense that the B-52 would follow the same design philosophy, though by all accounts the Buff is an easier airplane to fly, much more forgiving than the Stratojet, though not as manoeuvrable.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@williamculbertson5230]

So does this training server require password and discord, or can you hop on with SRS?

[@grimreapers]

Instructions in here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJDXg2p-bM2oa9E

[@flyingfox8360]

at 13:45 referencing the B-47 and Curtis LeMay. Who ever that was knows their aviation history.

[@Wyomingchief]

Actually I would suggest if you don't know her Curtis LeMay is you don't know anything about Air Force history or strategic bombing at all😂😂😂 It's more of a first step that you know who that is before you even begin to learn anything about the Strategic Air Command and what their mission was

[@5Andysalive]

i remember these grainy night vision images in the news and all the talk about smart precision bombs, that weren't all that smart or precise at the time. It's kind of the leading visual memory of it.

[@darrellseike3185]

Yes Cap. They trained to perform low level missions back then to avoid radar.

[@ronaldQdobbs]

Seeing this viewer request reminds me of something I've always wondered, what if US planes in Vietnam (specifically F-4s and F-105s) had modern missiles like the 9X, 120D3, and 260, and SEAD missiles like HARM and AARGM-ER. Could they have achieved air supremacy? Also, what if missions like Arc Light and Rolling Thunder had modern munitions like GBUs, cruise missiles, etc.

[@NickAhnProductions]

Cap- brilliant mission. Would you be willing to share the .miz file? Cheers

[@grimreapers]

Yup msg me in Discord.

[@bubithebear3690]

how you mean your HUD interfering with your NVG? You can set the brightness for it

[@richardvernon317]

Fun Fact, the 1000lb bombs dropped from the B-52's were UK ones, not the US Mk 80 ones.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@TheDegenerateLord]

I join the training server every now and then, It can be fun picking 1v1 BVR or 1v2 BVR wehre the 2 ship can only use 9x and the one ship can use w/e. Their just down to try stuff...

[@daszieher]

When landing on roads I always get the impression that they are too narrow, the planes look too big

[@Yamato-tp2kf]

I think that the problem that Cap had with his night vision was from the HUD light... I think that was the reason why he had that bright light

[@donaldtireman]

Oh yeah, fireworks galore, live from Baghdad on CNN in '91

[@connorwgtn]

Surely you'll re-create the mission when ED release their Iraq map?

[@grimreapers]

Yarp

[@abialo2010]

you were half right. they tried the low level stuff with the b52s but ended up fielding the b58 hustler for the low level high speed role

[@Wyomingchief]

Actually you're kind of partially right? Yes when the Americans realize that the Soviet Sam Network was capable of reaching them at whatever altitude, they all including the b-58 Hustler along with the B-52 started training for the low level mission. The b-58 Hustler along with the B-52 trained as low level penetrators. The Hustler never assumed that role over the b-52. It was a shared mission. The difference being the B-58 Hustler was nuclear capable only, though they toyed with the idea of making it capable of dropping non-nuclear weapons they never did. So because of that it was stuck as a low-level nuclear penetrator where the B-52 was able to carry Conventional Weapons so it took over the Strategic Mission of regular bombing. Now the b-58 Hustler was better suited to the low-level Mission because of its delta wing configuration, have no doubt about it had it come to a nuclear war the B-52 would have been right down there at low altitude also But eventually because the b-58 Hustler was deemed to be too expensive for its solitary role, as a nuclear only aircraft, it was retired. Funny thing is with the release documents we have available today we actually now know that on a project basis the b-58 was more economical than the B-52😂 Also Curtis LeMay did not like the b-58 and preferred the b-52. That's why we still have the B-52 in-service to this day.

[@ostwelt]

Pretty certain they trained for low-level too as have photos from my panzer of 2x B-52 below hill height during a FTX in Germany sometime between 1988-1990. When exactly don't recall though would have been autumn in one of those years. Equally certain it wasn't a show of force flight either as though the locals were unhappy about the continued military presence in the FRG nobody on that side of the border was having to intimadate them into supporting NATO against the venegeful Soviets.

[@Wyomingchief]

The B-52's started training for low-level penetration missions shortly after Gary Powers was shot down in the u2. It was at that point we realized high-level Street CG bombing with nuclear weapons was no longer going to be possible. It along with the b-58 hustler then switch to low level training

[@erikerice9068]

You can find vids all over YT showing 52's doing low level runs, so idk what those viewers are talking bout🤨

[@Delatta1961]

Using red lights are not compatible with NVGs

[@mickemike2148]

Pretty!

[@mrlodwick]

Capt, your right they switched to low level just like the Uk V force.

[@godlugner5327]

6:21 "and Diddly-doo"

[@Lexington101]

8:42 Watch Dr. Strangelove

[@jpteknoman]

AAA tracers in the night sky... a DIY constellation.

[@ecbst6]

Can we actually hear the baby say BYYyyyeeeeeeeee once? I think you should have a whole soundboard of what baby say, Cap 😁

[@SeminarioMAE]

who won?

[@PopcornSticker]

How can you not know that B52 was first designer as a propeller plane?

[@paulybassman7311]

38:00 SuperCap 🤣🤣

[@aztec0112]

B52's absolutely were tasked in the low level strike role! They didn't fly in parade formation however. They flew in three ship cells, each aircraft separated by a mile or more, staggered altitudes and directions kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGHMmXxti7plhbssi=C8qtCFAxRO5qWE9n

[@anthonybonawitz444]

In the mid to late forties America (liberated) some engineers and scientists. Or at least that's how the story goes.

[@brandondamato4890]

So tuck your wings in and you’ll speed up

[@spikymikie]

Dr Stranglove.......

[@grantjones522]

you know you can turn down the hud display brightness right?😂😂😂

[@Wolfe351]

Hey you can redo this now with the new map....!!!

[@funkytownjedi]

😎👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@DarkAgeTM]

Kinda shame, night missions are bat for videos with beeing all dark and stuff. Stiill, looks great for me though. That AAA looks mean. Flying through that, would be scary. Looks pretty though.

[@ricbrown1114]

The B-52 started of as the B-36, then evolved into the B-47 and finally the B-52. My dad was a B-52 navigator during Linebacker 2. I do believe they switched the B-52 to low-level in the 80's at the same time they switched the B-1 to low-level bombing.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Nope, all of those were completely different planes, and the B-36 was not even made by Boeing but by Convair. The only official designations of the BUFF are: XB-52, YB-52, and B-52(A-J). Before that, there were only Boeing’s internal designations: Model 462 and Model 464 (with sub-variants, like Model 464-49).

[@MaxIsStrange1]

It literally costs you nothing to google things like that and yet you still needlessly spread misinformation.

[@ricbrown1114]

@MaxIsStrange1 OK, I missed on the B-36. Opps, stuff happens. My bad. I was talking about post ww2 strategic bombers. However, the Boeing B-52 is the successor the the Boing B-47. Yes, i should have double checked my history for the B-36, but there was absolutely no reason to get condescending over a simple mistake. Maybe, you should check your history as well.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

@@ricbrown1114 You said “The B-52 started of [sic] as the B-36, then evolved into the B-47 and finally the B-52.” Each part of that sentence is false. You weren’t talking about those planes being successors to one another so suddenly acting as if you were seems really disingenuous. About my attitude-I really dislike it when people spread false information for absolutely no reason because there’s always a percentage of people who will take what you say for granted and then spread those falsehoods further. It’s really easy to check factual things like whether the B-52 started off as the B-36 or the B-47, and I simply cannot understand why someone would choose not to check any of that before publicly posting a comment claiming that they’re all an evolution of the same plane. You said that I should “check my history”. Which part of what I said is wrong? If you meant the fact that I included the -J suffix, that’s not a mistake. The B-52 platform is undergoing un upgrade program-it’s getting new engines (Rolls Royce F130), a new radar (based on the AN/APG-82), and a lot more, and it is official that the BUFF after the upgrades will be called “B-52J”.

[@ricbrown1114]

@MaxIsStrange1 I distinctly said "evolved" into the B-52, which can be easily interpreted as being their "successor ", but you want to play word police and nitpick. While not categorically correct with the B-36 since it was built by another company. I was correct when it comes to the B-47. When it comes to the B-36, nowhere did I say that the B-36 was also built by Boeing. I was referring to the overall design of the bombers and their similar looks, the B-52 is just the B-47 on steroids. I just not sure why got your hair in a bonnet over a simple mistake that could have been corrected with a simple "FYI" and not a whole rant about spreading misinformation like I was doing it intentionally. Smh.

[@MusMulyadi-k6s]

Mobile legend keteta kebal tak pyh ikut flight mode nak hilamgkan kau punya kendersan parking dekat mana nak pegi mana

[@flyingfox8360]

B-52's were in fact initially designed as a low level ingress strategic bomber. The B52A had a tandem cockpit to give the pilot the same feeling as they would have had in a fighter and a radar altimeter for terrain following. Anyone who argues this needs to read and aviation history book.

[@Wyomingchief]

I have read all the aviation books and particularly when it comes to the Strategic bombers from the B-29 up through the B-52. The B-52 was never initially designed as a low-level Ingress strategic bomber. It was designed as a high altitude strategic bomber. Only after Gary Powes U2 was shot down we realized that high altitude was no longer safe for strategic bombers. It was only at that point after the B-52 was already in production that they started training for the low level Ingress mission. The tandem cockpit was never designed for terrain following radar altimeters or any of that other nonsense you just typed. It was designed that way because that was the initial designers preference. Curtis LeMay absolutely hated it and being a former bomber pilot himself he wanted the pilot and co-pilot to be sitting next to each other. Now if you have a source book that says something different than that, I'm going to argue that it's wrong but I'll give you the chance to post what information that you have that contradicts all the literature I have ever read

[@dennisvandermarkt8263]

Nvg's kinda suck. I get it but still

[@grimreapers]

Yeh horrible to fly with.

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Low level bum rushing of Russian air bases was a thing. Or the plan if the cold war turned hot. I know the RAF and Luftwaffe trained for it. Ive no idea if US elements based in Europe trained for the same.

[@Wyomingchief]

The amount of absolute misinformation in these comments would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad😂😂 First of all the B-52 was initially designed as a high-level strategic penetrating bomber for nuclear weapons. It originally was designed with the tandem cockpit because that's what the engineer who designed it preferred. It was switched to the side by side cockpit because Curtis LeMay demanded it. He was an old-school B-17 bomber pilot and he wanted the pilot and co-pilot sitting next to each other. Shortly after Francis Gary Powers was shot down over russia, the Strategic Air Command realize that high-level nuclear penetration was no longer possible. Because of that both the B-52 and the b-58 Hustler were switched to a low level ground penetration Mission and started training as low-level. The b-58 was better at low level flight because of the stiff Delta wing. But both aircraft trained as low level Mission capable. The difference being the B-52 was also converted to carry conventional weapons, the b-58 never was so it never trained anymore as a high level aircraft. Now when the B1 came into service or was originally designed it was designed from the get-go as a low level penetrator. It was designed and was going to be brought into service to fill the hole left by the retirement of the b-58. But have no doubt had we gone to nuclear war with the Soviets between the time of the retirement of the b-58 and the B1 coming into service it would have been B-52s performing those low-level missions.

[@grimreapers]

Roger, most people just speak from memory, including me a lot of the time, memory gets hazy and inaccurate over time.

[@Hatori_Hansi]

Genau ... deswegen war die Me 262 das Erste Düsenfleugzeug ... ein Glück gibt bald keine Amis mehr!

[@peterpaul5820]

I believe you can Set down the brightnes of the hud when using nv gogles, could get rid of that over glow probably

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@adrianoalvino7575]

Using Tomcats as Bombers when having F15E.... WHY???

[@grimreapers]

I wanted to see what was going on on the datalink. F15E doesn't have datalink in DCS.