1993/94 - Holland v England (1994 World Cup Qualifier - 13.10.93)

Full ITV programme. Introduced by Matt Lorenzo with Ray Wilkins & Trvor Francis.
Commentary by Brian Moore & Ron Atkinson

[@bobbypukes605]

RIP to Wilkins and Francis. Both sadly now passed.

[@DannyBoy777777]

Passed what? It? Their prime?

[@bobbypukes605]

@@DannyBoy777777 You've never heard the term of somebody passing? Or somebody who has passed? Are you English?

[@tonymeck-lj8rv]

@@bobbypukes605 even english people take words to mean something literal and NOT as a metaphor so whats your point

[@tonymeck-lj8rv]

@@bobbypukes605 you forgot about graham taylor and brian moore also as well now passed as you put it

[@bobbypukes605]

@@tonymeck-lj8rv There's no point turning up, trying to look all clever, unless you are going to say something that's actually interesting. The first thing I wrote was 'RIP'. With that written alongside somebody 'passing', you either lack intelligence or you are just a terrible troll if you fail to understand what I meant. That first guy looked a fool with his pointless comment, and now you've joined him. Congratulations. This whole conversation has been pointless and a complete waste of all of our time. Hopefully this clears this up for you both.

[@ShaneJoshua1980]

Karl Josef Assaunmacher is a refs name I'll never forget. I remember watching this and it's great you have the full broadcast. Graham Taylor, Brian Moore, Ray Wilkins and Trevor Francis all sadly gone 😢😢

[@richardpblaikie]

Remember watching this live, one of the first England games I remember on TV.

[@user-nc6pe9pv7t]

Bergkamp, Overmars, Koeman, Wouters, Rijkaard, De Boer,.. excellent players

[@anthonymcken6050]

Throughout the late 80s, 90s and early 2000s the Dutch had a stacked squad. Their WC 98 squad was unreal.

[@lucasm3879]

Also Euro ‘88 when they won the tournament with Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard and Koeman.

[@bullboy13]

he's gonna flick one, hes gonna flick one....

[@MarvinSumpter]

1:26:05 Sometimes Seaman's positioning was mind-boggling. Great goalkeeper over the years, one of the true greats, but this is reminiscent of Nayim and Ronaldinho lobbing him from all sorts of positions.

[@anthonymcken6050]

And he wasn't the quickest on his feet either to make up for it.

[@hamiltonmews]

Agreed. Even at 1:32:42 he's beaten too easily at his near post. Hardly a rocket shot, and a good 20 yards out.

[@ShaneJoshua1980]

In fairness Koeman's reputation proceeded him and Seaman's form for about 3 years was patchy compared to 91 when he should have been in the running for PFA player of the year. His positioning was awful though and he was my hero. The wall didn't need to be as big either but ultimately Taylor wasted so much potential in this squad.

[@sanjaykohli7360]

Seaman was caught out far too many times in big games

[@tomduggan51]

Classic Matches, Thanks for providing this crucial World Cup qualifier between Holland and Graham Taylor's England-and a game certainly not short on controversy!

[@johncambridge7339]

Not having waddle and Beardsley really cost England big time

[@bocjagne2878]

Totally agree! couldn't understand why they were left out, and they missed Pearce too big time for this game.

[@jamesmason8436]

And Gazza...

[@Kurgan618]

Not having a habituated defence (why not Arsenal's?) and world-class full-backs cost us. Dorigo was excellent at club level and was a cracking free-kick specialist, but just kicking the ball back to the Dutch showed he felt out of his depth - he did have a tough job, but Ashley Cole / Walker, etc later showed the quality needed at WC level. I liked Parker, but he was equally mindless in possession at times. How Taylor couldn't also see that what we needed was a player up top, like Sheringham, from the outset to receive all those mindless booted balls, get them to stick, and then thread them through. Even Shearer couldn't do it in this game and was lost as a consequence. Sharpe was invisible unless conceding the ball, and Merse showed flashes of skill, but as with Waddle, there was never an end product for England in the must-win games. Seaman was a twunt and I never forgave him! I couldn't believe we weren't going to the USA despite supporting a team with the likes of Thomas and Palmer.

[@hamiltonmews]

@@bocjagne2878 I thought Seaman could have done better with the goals too.

[@magassacheikene2421]

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[@liammurtagh601]

WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN INSTRUCTED?!!!

[@creasicle]

I don't remember this match personally but I remember my dad talking about this game and how Ronald Koeman talked himself out of a red card then went on to score the opening goal

[@MrCjp77]

Match played on 13th October 1993.

[@nickshale6926]

I actually remember watching this match in a student accommodation bar (QEQM Furze Lane) in Portsmouth, surrounded by Dutch exchange students. Great bunch when they've had a few to drink and especially when the result goes their way.

[@anthonymcken6050]

The game was rigged.

[@andrewyoung1652]

Looking back on this, we were absolutely robbed

[@nigelkhan9278]

Graham Taylor’s omission of Steve McManaman, Stuart Pearce, Andy Cole, Graeme Le Saux and Matt Le Tissier was absolutely criminal.

[@jeannotschumacher1024]

THE WHOLE ARSENAL BACK FOUR

[@Strutter-direct]

Apparently Pearce was injured for this one which was massive given Overmars was all over Dorigo from the whistle. @@jeannotschumacher1024

[@jamesmccartney5324]

I’d be blaming Seaman for both Dutch goals.

[@anthonymcken6050]

Yes but the game was rigged.

[@bobbypukes605]

​@@anthonymcken6050 By who?

[@r4h4al]

I agree. But there was a bit of genius to Bergkamp's second.

[@bluebirdconundrum]

Seaman was horrendous in this match - even with his good saves - and I honestly think he was rather poor for England in big matches in general. He seemed to save his worst decisions for the worst possible moments (like his positioning on Bergkamp's goal). That said, the yellow card for Koeman was a farce and he certainly would have been sent off if this match had been played in the age of VAR. Even VAR would have gotten that right without question.

[@jjj15s]

Bergkamp's goal was controlled and put down with his arm and surprise, surprise, the officials didn't see it.

[@frozen1762]

Both goals are on Seaman. Its baffling to see a GK on this lvl of competition with such slow reflexes.

[@Anthony-Testicali]

Taylor messed up the England team in this era by trying to be too clever. Just pick the arsenal back 5. Put le tissier or beardsley at number 10. Shearer and either sutton/ferdinand/ up front...the midfield platt,waddle....guys like sinton,palmer,le saux,merson were not England level in my opinion..he seemed to like picking serie A based stars like walker and dorigo again i think the Arsenal lads were better and already a team

[@r4h4al]

Agree. What a team yours would've been with Ince as the final midfield player.

[@MFV86]

Suprised Waddle and Beardsley werent used throughoutt the early 90s. Germany,Holland etc used some of their veterans....

[@carlocanton4867]

Incredible sliding doors in this game, no red card (clear red card) for Koeman, goal after 2 minutes, Dorigo hits the post, 2-0 after 3 minutes.

[@kera9095]

That's true, but the Netherlands was still better. Rijkaard's goal disallowed in the first half.

[@andrewyoung1652]

1:54:20 platt to the referee “He should have f*cking gone off there and you f*cking know it”

[@DuncanMcintyre-jk3qb]

RIP sir Trevor you were a true gent and a bit guid at fitba

[@YagaYooo]

shut it scotchy

[@johnallan4826]

Typical big Ron. Not 10 yards is a booking lol love it. Thanks

[@GrahamWalters]

I remember watching this game, and was amazed at Taylors selection, and unfit Shearer, Carlton Palmer and Tony Dorigo, I think his hand was forced due to suspensions and injures, but please you had the whole Arsenal back four to choose from, and you pick Dorigo!. You have to agree with Taylor that the officiating in the game was terrible, the Ref looked as though he was way out of his depth. However, as a team, you should never rely on the officials to win you a game.

[@lucasm3879]

Dorigo is actually under rated - if you’re talking about the Arsenal back four, I’d probably pick Dorigo above Winterburn for left back. He won the ‘92 league with Leeds, and was in the ‘90 world cup squad. Other selections bu GT are more questionable to me, namely Palmer, Pallister and Sharpe. Even Merson up front, I would have probably preferred Wright or Sheringham.

[@sanjaykohli7360]

Love Platt. Ince was world class

[@jamesmason8436]

How quick and thick is this game lol? Even the Dutch, known for their cultured football, played like they were on speed.

[@mosesrocco6614]

Never realised that this Dutch starting line up featured NO full backs/wing backs whatsoever. Not by position, not by usual trade. The Dutch weren't scared to try different things tactically. The polar opposite of the English/British sides.

[@KabarkadaTV681]

COMMENTATORS: BRIAN MOORE RON ATKINSON TV NETWORK: ITV DATE: 13 OCTOBER 1993

[@darren2514fv]

What cost England was the failure to beat Norway twice drew with them at Wembley 1-1 when leading 1-0 and the 2-0 away defeat added the draw with Poland away England drew 3 games whereas Norway and Holland only drew 2

[@johnp515]

So in other words, they weren’t good enough

[@MFV86]

What cost England a spot at USA 94 was that from 92/93 GT didn't have a set team guy used different players throughout the qualifying campaign

[@jdnrotterdam2150]

Most beautiful stadium and mother of all stadiums

[@noelgarciaperez5806]

what a gean player was letissier one of my favorites from the 90s. England has always had great footballers but I was surprised that he only played 8 times with his team. they were gascoigne, blatt, merson, ince. but letissier should have played much more than class he had

[@catofong6905]

Criminal the way he was constantly overlooked for England, probably the most naturally-gifted English player in the 90s. Flair players have always been and will always be ignored by the FA hierarchy in favour of those who show greater athletic talent.

[@GrahamWalters]

@@catofong6905 Not forgetting Steve Bruce

[@anthonymcken6050]

​@@catofong6905He was accused of being lazy and overweight at times.

[@bagpussmacfarlan9008]

@@anthonymcken6050tbf he was

[@r4h4al]

I know, there wouldn't've been a problem had Le Tissier played this one. Graham Taylor totally ignored some of the great players of the time, like Steve Bruce, Chris Waddle & Matt Le Tissier.

[@billy6243]

would have made so much sense to usr arsenals back 5. Solid unit

[@andrewyoung1652]

I forgot that we only needed a draw because of goal difference. If koeman was sent off we would have easily got the draw and gone to the World Cup. Graham Taylor was the most unlucky England manager

[@ryang790]

Looking bk have mixed feelings bout Taylor. On one hand he was Very Unlucky he didn't have Gazza to pick. Ferdinand was actually the top striker at time not shearer n was injured. England actually played well here n was surprised that this was prob Mersons best game...( Incredible he was a drunk n played like THAT) But his selections of Palmer, Sharpe, Sinton, Alvin Martin, webb, Palister...dorigo. Geoff Thomas! N many more..Even parker.. Leaving out flair players Beardsley, Waddle and Le tissues..If not Nigel Clough? Merson shud have been used more in place of injured Gazza.

[@anthonymcken6050]

58:00 RIP Ray Wilkins and Trevor Francis.

[@bobbypukes605]

That really was an awful England side. Carlton Palmer and Lee Sharpe in a 3 man midfield? Carlton always gave 110%, but lacked quality and technical ability at this level. Lee Sharpe, just wasnt all that great (overrated and overhyped at that time), and certainly wasn't a 'worker'. Lots of long balls and hoofing it forward. Thank god our game in England has massively improved. In terms of skill, technique, and keeping possesion, our players nowadays match other nations.

[@michaelmoores2654]

Most of that team wouldn't get in the current England side. I would only have Adams and Seaman in it. I would exclude Shearer because of Harry Kane and there's only enough room for one in my side.

[@bushmastersavimbi3379]

hahaha what a joke. nowadays english players are frail headless chicken running around. overrated overhyped and just weak. they would die playing strong teams like these.@@michaelmoores2654

[@sanjaykohli7360]

Roy was superb. What happened to his career?

[@Jacknicknila]

Very talented Roy. Injured a lot moved from Ajax to Foggia and Nottingham Forest. Was Coaching at Ajax but nowadays is known for political statements online.

[@BR-lx7py]

Crazy that only 5 subs sat on the bench

[@andrewyoung1652]

1:59:42 well said Graham 👏👏

[@leosell]

A Inglaterra pegou o grupo da morte aí...mas acho que dava pra ter pego a segunda vaga do grupo...

[@TheCloneX2]

Some terrible international players in that england team, is anyone surprised poor Graham Taylor failed? Merson, Sharpe, Palmer, good god.

[@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068]

It's incredible how much better football players are today. A top PL team today like Arsenal or City would beat this England team 15-0

[@kera9095]

I don't know. But I know that in general, national football back then was at a higher level than now.

[@Farhadmoh]

Can’t compare eras lol

[@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068]

@@Farhadmoh ofc. You can?

[@ppppickup]

@@kera9095was it hell, these fine tune athletes these days have killed the game. mind numbingly too good and boring

[@KevCraven]

All being said about team selection, this England team performed much better two years later. Shame they didn't make it to the USA.

[@jamesmason8436]

Fortunately the England Euro '96 team was much changed and far better coached than this shower.

[@catofong6905]

I think this was a game that we could have even won let alone drawn, even with those players. Not saying we would've got past the group stage if we had qualified, but (going purely on fifa rankings at the time) we had a much tougher qualification group than we regularly get these days - Norway #3, Dutch #8, and even the Polish were 28th. Turkey was the only turkey. (I Thank You). Nowadays England's stiffest test in qualification is the footballing powerhouse of Moldova or some such. And we still do our best to make an arse of it.

[@KevCraven]

@@catofong6905 yeah agreed. It was definitely a tough draw and a few decisions in the match really changed the game.

[@andrewyoung1652]

1:26:03 this is probably the worst ever positioning of a goalkeeper in the history of football, he’s standing outside of the far post giving koeman a shot at an empty net

[@Leopardwild80]

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[@margaridacosta270]

Norway come from nowwhrre was realy the surprise of the group so england was kicked out of world cup.

[@kera9095]

49:10 1:22:02 1:22:39

[@andrewyoung1652]

The PGMOL wanted the referee from this match to join the premier league this season but apparently he was too good 🤔

[@gezzaf6912]

thanks for upload Shearer was awful sorry but Seaman to blame for both goals

[@scottsimpson9659]

Holland And Poland who qualified

[@DiseaseShaker]

Holland and Norway qualified from that group.

[@kebabtank]

Don't know why we went all out for a win when a draw would probably have been enough.

[@kennethmennie5699]

Had England won, they were virtually qualified given their last game was against San Marino.

[@kebabtank]

@@kennethmennie5699 Yes, that's right, a win and we were all but there. A draw though, would have left us needing to score at least 5, 6 or possibly 7 against San Marino and I think we would have done it. I think we missed our big chance though when we failed to beat the Dutch at Wembley, having been 2-0 up at one point.

[@r4h4al]

Playing for a draw seems more dangerous than going out for a win. Surely go out to win every game?

[@Bloxdio_God]

Taylor was an awful manager at this level. Shearer was unfit and Merson playing terribly. Taylor should have gone for Hateley and Ian Wright for this game it would have gotten a result, they were both in scintillating form.

[@ryang790]

During this era, shud have gone for a 3-2-3-2.....Seamen,.Walker...Adams.Pearce.. Adams n walker can defend set pieces n Walker with his pace ( Palister was slow ) can cover....Then id have Ince n Platt in front protecting them. They can play on the ball so it would have given us extra men in midfield.. Then Merson, Gazza, Waddle.. Behind front two of Beardsley n Le Tissuer. I know Gazza was injured alot so u cud put Merson or le Tissuer in Gazzas position or Right midfield , With The extra spot up front going to Ferdinand , shearer or Wright. You need invention at that level , not Sinton, Palmer, Webb, Sharpe, etc..ughr...THIS team wudnt give the ball away either. Barnes had lost his pace then, so I'd have Stevie Mac as sub AND the Rest of the Arsenal defenders as back up.

[@sanjaykohli7360]

Lee Sharpe had an awful game… Koeman would have been sent off under VAR. Merson hit the post 2x

[@D_B_Cooper]

Do I not like that!!!

[@sumarnaidippermana8625]

Peter Drury Kevin Keegan

[@garymccrory2318]

Ince booked for charging down a free kick that Wouters done for an England free kick when a red card for keoman was not shown. Bent ref or what ?

[@ma-pj3zj]

Bergkamp

[@user-ot5lk3ql2s]

Can we not keep hold of the ball

[@seanbonella]

San Marino next 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DudeLebowski23]

Should’ve been down to 9 in the space of 2mins, one of the all time worst referee performances at the top level.

[@kingarthurusatenniscoach1415]

seasman was poor with 2 goals ,, why take off Merson,,, Taylor was a poor manager ,,,,, oh for Terry Venables ...Ian wright had pace never given a real chance

[@ppppickup]

terrible performance by england, what an exciting spectacle at the time though this game. before football became santised crap

[@johnallan4826]

Love it love it, the childish cry babies. Definitely outside and a dive yellow card usual total bias commentary

[@whatayear]

Of course it's a sending off ya fanny, a blind fanny at that, or a Jock.

[@Wefkebidenberg]

Taylor bla bla bla

[@seltaeb3302]

Ahhh turnip time.

[@bocjagne2878]

Don't be a disrespectful twat! at the end of the day, it was up to the players, not him.

[@yippyialeftside8351]

. Middle terrace sections closed off, night mare night

[@marti2474]

Typical.Blame Koeman and the ref while Seaman should have saved both goals

[@slider3215]

Seaman was overated

[@Kurgan618]

​@@slider3215and always susceptible to being chipped or lobbed.

[@vanmarko6654]

Ronaldinho 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@anthonymcken6050]

​@@slider3215He was highly rated by his colleagues for England and Arsenal.

[@r4h4al]

He can't have heard the whistle for the free kick as he was still sorting the wall out.

[@jjj15s]

The bent ref was sacked and never refereed an international again after this game. He had already been booked for an international in the near future and it was taken off of him. Maybe he was given a large sum of money be someone. It's crazy that he threw his career away to stop England going to the world cup.