1993-KRS-One & Russell Simmons on Charlie Rose (A discussion on rap music)

[@ironmike-putsallkindavideo7840]

DAMN, i was 21 years old in 1993, representing HIPHOP to the fullest . And i am a 49 year old man who's still STUCK IN THE 90's, lol , because that was my most FUN decade as a Young BLACK MALE in NYC

[@riosaswin6580]

lol, im 33 now and im also still stuck in the 90's era!!

[@adrienpartier7207]

Can I ask you what you think has changed ?

[@ironmike-putsallkindavideo7840]

@@adrienpartier7207 One thing is the NYC HIPHOP , RnB and REGGAE CLUBS right now in NEWYORK are fucking DEAD !!!!!!!!! LOL Back in the 1990's, the NYC HIPHOP, RnB & REGGAE CLUB SCENE was on FIRE throughout the whole 90's decade, literally every WEEKEND was EXTREME FUN , PARTYING, DANCING and enjoying the NIGHTLIFE, especially in MANHATTAN. Even the HOUSE MUSIC CLUBS were FIRE !!!! The 90's was the best times of my life, and now im 51 Years Old, in 2023 and even though im settled down with a WIFE and KIDS, I swear i still wish sometimes i can go back to the 90's when i was Young in my PRIME 20's lol

[@gw593]

@@riosaswin6580I’m 32 and still stuck in it.

[@gregoryallen0001]

my friend we are both the same age as hip hop according to the official celebration.. we are so lucky

[@doobtubes]

Everybody's bad everybody's tough but how man people are intelligent enough, to open up their eyes and see thru the lies. Discipline themselves, yourselves to stay alive-krs one

[@jus3278]

Love that I was a part of the hip hop generation in the 80s and 90s. A lot of us who lived through it remember these discussions with the media, critics, and our parents on if hip hop was real music and art. They said it would be a fad. In 2023 Hip Hop is still here. Great discussion.

[@irinabonney1721]

Wish we could have more interviews like this, especially today.

[@cer_one357]

I went to a KRS ONE Lecture last year and he's a intelligent man.

[@apropo0]

an

[@cer_one357]

@@apropo0 lol what?

[@apropo0]

@@cer_one357 The KRS One lecture you attended last year was delivered by an intelligent man.

[@CinqueMalcolm]

@@apropo0 whoooooop,whooooop...that's the sound of the grammar police

[@jimmiejones9596]

Sir Stanley Crouch was an Awesome Critic, I've always valued his insightful Commentary, on any given topic.. Rest Well Sir 🙏🏿🕊️

[@gw593]

Out of touch in this moment and condescending.

[@duydo6924]

@@gw593 He was also out of touch when he criticized Miles Davis for experimenting. Mtume had to school him. Guys like Crouch and Wynton Marsalis were jazz reactionaries.

[@devipaduka]

@@gw593 Yeah, it was unfortunate SC tried to compare hip-hop to jazz - while it is true the musicianship in jazz was miles ahead, what hip-hop has been able to accomplish in terms of social change would not have been possible without being able to express verbally what was happening and what needed to happen...

[@itunedyou]

Very civilised talk, damn I wish this went for hours.

[@pillcosby3264]

Old school rap is the best rap

[@markasflood8196]

Amen My Friend

[@raasdeal2413]

KRS ONE been an intelligent fellow since day one

[@blairbeale7673]

R.I.P. to one of my favorite writers, Stanley Crouch. I didn't always agree with his opinions, but he made his points with eloquence.

[@MontUHURU_Mimia777]

*I've met Stanley and I can personally say he **_never wasted a single opportunity to kiss a white person's rear end._** This is his **_real_** legacy.*

[@kevinr.theodore767]

Facts. Stanley Crouch's book of essays, "Notes of a Hanging Judge "should be required reading in English 101 in every HBCU.

[@Black_unity597]

And the guy above you seems to be right along Stanley’s kinda of guy! 😂!

[@KundaLeanin47]

@@MontUHURU_Mimia777thank you

[@nervmyoho7443]

great great interview!

[@irinabonney1721]

Thanks for the upload this was great.

[@cashonsmith1029]

Vinmoonsu Thank You!

[@UndeniableUndesirables]

Check my music out

[@sirpoppinchuck]

The interesting thing is this is what Spike Lee touched on in the movie “ Bamboozled” year 2000 he was saying rapp has became the new minstrel show he must've seen this interview and got inspired. The overall image not the real Mc C’s that have elevated their style n craft to express the best. Now 30 years later look what we got watch the progression or the regression of the rapper. You could probably name 3-5 rappers that are great n hold to the same lyrical integrity n finesse of 80s-90s rappers. Also DJ’s/producers have got this technique of sampling, beat making, and production down to a science. J-Dilla, Premier, Easy mo bee, Dj- Quick, Alchemist, Kanye West, Kenny Parker. This new thang now is trash “Trap” etc… But it’s selling! I alaways like to watch on KZbin the clips of teens or young adults viewing n hearing old rapp, funk, and R and B music some of them actually like it, because it’s good!

[@bdub4006]

KRS ONE is unparalleled and on a whole other level

[@OgDj2024]

Very good debate! There is a need for more of these kinds of sit downs, especially with the climate in our society today

[@TheIcpfan23]

even tho i grew up listening to hip hop. i have branched out and got introduced into slayer love their music just love rock and metal peridod

[@reefk8876]

“Fund the police” 🎵 Stanley Crouch

[@magneticqubzian6902]

Hysterical

[@dontcallmejon]

I think the trap and drill of today is actually a different genre from the hip hop of the 80s and 90s so what Russel said is true, try playing a Gang Starr or BDP song to an 11 yr old they won't even know what to call it.

[@PatrickFisher1]

Did they ever invite them back on to the show? This was a good discussion, I want a part 2!

[@chumamtabiso2548]

Who remembers that one Atlanta episode?

[@PedroPeyolo]

Lol Russel forgot to silence his mobile phone 😅

[@TheMax200g]

Crouch was remiss When he dissed Lyrical prowess Unpossessed don’t digress A high bless from the cypher A poem from a lifer Intellect to respect The process to die for

[@KundaLeanin47]

😶‍🌫️🥂🎶🫡🥶

[@Jillady]

A MUST SEE✨

[@dassolosyndikat5113]

Russel simmons was right at the end the white host got mad hes probably the same as the people russel was talkin about

[@proqb1]

Charlie Rose is his name and his behavior towards female staffers caught up to him after decades...of course Russell Simmons suffered a similar fate...

[@jayshah9967]

Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking. The host ended to show so abruptly when Russell started going in.

[@whateva.man.1993]

7:54 he got mad as hell 😂

[@bOmBAsTiK]

Damn, he sonned Russell like a mf 😂😂😂

[@BrandonStokes]

😂😂

[@robb4951]

So lucky to have lived through the 90s rap today is garbage

[@bbennyj]

Total garbage, I agree with you

[@RodrickHicks]

When the truth is being told..interruption will happen..

[@davidpicken8788]

Mogul Simmons 😂

[@npol024]

26:10 At the end of the discussion, they all smile and shake hands. The group has disagreements on what the problem is, how it's expressed, and what the solution should be, but they accept that the man across the table has a thought out, intentional perspective that is worthy of respect. American society has lost this ability in the last 20 years.

[@j.v749]

Homeboy with the glasses was extremely incorrect, on my system I have 60 seconds to 2 minutes to record my sample I do all My own drum tracks I started on a SP 1200, had a piece of software that I could buy so I could record it into my computer, I started right when cassettes were going to CDs, record all my own instrumentals I do sample but out of respect for being a musician I play five different instruments I have this thing where I don't put a price tag on my samples? I do not wish to sell my sampled records but I saw my own instrumentals, I give people a taste of my stuff I have a whole section in my storage where I let people listen to them and can download them, there are many other producers out there that love absolutely love giving out our beats.

[@jknumber5138]

1993 was all R&B. 1994 was Hip Hop on top again

[@whateva.man.1993]

From 92-96 was the best era for 90s hip hop. 93 was my favorite tho

[@jknumber5138]

1990 was a great year, AMW, One for All, Tribes first album, Eric B & Rakim, CMW. 1998 was my favorite year in Hip Hop tho

[@blockablocka7608]

1993 was the year for dre and snoop and also wutang clan. plus nas was hot in the streets during this time. hip hop was blazing

[@Capotua25]

@@blockablocka76082pac, black moon, onyx, naughty by nature, run dmc, ice cube, atcq and cypress hill

[@ltod2]

@@whateva.man.1993 the 1980s,1990s,2000s are best years of hip hop my opinion it's mostly trash now

[@CHANGEISHAPPENING]

REALITY IS UGLY. RAP IS REALity ART PROCLAMATION.

[@LeeOutlaw-sx2ok]

it won't be as popular as it is now.........TRUTH TODAY 2024🙄

[@digitalScribr]

It's so weird to see someone that is completely out of touch with what is actually going on comment on current events. Reading a statistic chart, news article or watching a TV program does not make it factual. If you don't like what your'e hearing find out why its being said first... Being that he (stanley crouch) is so educated and enlighten 🤣🤣🤣

[@UndeniableUndesirables]

Church!!!! my music is pretty lit. Check me out

[@dassolosyndikat5113]

Krs one was wrong cops don't kill the most

[@godonehiphop]

So wat kill the most?

[@djanunnaki6622]

@@godonehiphop did he answer you?

[@marcusyoung8329]

Ma

[@marcusyoung8329]

Maybe not, but they do perform the bulk of murders that go unpunished.

[@A9POLO]

🤣🤣 ‘mogul Simmons’

[@CinqueMalcolm]

Once you get older it's easier to judge hip-hop for what it is and accept that it has probably been a net negative for Black folks as a whole. And note how if you say anything negative about hip-hop or view it from an objective perspective the low IQ folks instantly start calling you a sellout, coon, Tom, etc. even if you've forgotten more about hip-hop than they know. My generation, I'm 45, will defend/rep hip-hop more vigorously than they will defend/rep God.

[@dmoralesyethics]

I partly agree. I think rap unfortunately was used as advertising for the prison industrial complex and real hip hop was not allowed to flourish in msm for obvious reasons. Rap comes from hip hop and is apart of it but not every rapper is hip hop. Also, l miss Charlie Rose.

[@mathiasvarianify]

There's a industry rumour record companies in the 90s that a letter circulated to promote/finance "gangster rap" and discourage concious hip hop p.r.t the coup diggable planets and so on. They bring it up in several podcasts recently on Talib Qs ..

[@guwopman3503]

First off, terrible take on multiple levels. Second, I’ll skip to the end of your comment. Your personal belief in God is irrelevant. To say that people defend Hip Hop more than whatever God you believe in as if it’s negative is so pretentious. The sad truth is that in many ways, whether consciously or subconsciously, we (all people, not just black people) are trained to work as agents of white supremacy. Your comment reeks of this. The image and allure of the counter culture, the renegade, the villain we hate to love or love to hate are eternal. These stories have been told for as long as history has been recorded. The notion that engaging in this human tradition as any minority group (in this specific instance, black people in the “western world”) is negative to the group is asinine. It’s an extremely unfair, discriminatory vilification of black art. No one watches a white gangster movie and thinks of its creation and celebration as a negative reflection of white people. We don’t speak about it having a negative effect on white people specifically. If anything, it will be spoken of as a negative in general. Therein lies the key distinction. You are, one, trained to see black people as other rather than general. Two: you are positing that black people cant engage in the same human cultural traditions that white people (the “general”) can based on the view of them as other. This is white exceptionalism, which is damaging to all society. Third, you are robbing - in this case - black people of a fair pursuit of art. Music is a fine art. Fine art’s primary pursuit is to make something in a particular “aesthetic” (I’m using quotations because aesthetic in regards to painting wouldn’t be the same as it would be for music or dance and so on), whatever that “aesthetic” may be. Anything beyond that point the artist wants to pursue as a goal is completely valid and of no less importance to their art, however it is less important in the actual foundation of something being fine art. All artists should be allowed to pursue their art without being expected to cater it or otherwise censor it to a demographic out of fear of how their prejudice/confirmation bias reacts. It is not Hip Hop’s job to change itself to reflect a different image to prejudice people. It is not black artists’ jobs to change their art out of fear of confirmation bias. You’re claiming others have low IQ but don’t seem to have thought past your own prejudice into the actual implications of what you’re saying…

[@guwopman3503]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@dmoralesyethics1. Rap did not come from Hip Hop at all… 2. What is “real Hip Hop”? That phrase alone is pretentious. 3. Do not scapegoat Hip Hop as being advertising for the prison industrial complex. That complex has been built and operating well before Hip Hop was even a musical possibility. Any and all black creative expression, community hardships, or already standing bias towards black people will be used to perpetuate that system.

[@dmoralesyethics]

@@guwopman3503 I just want to make sure l am understanding you. Are you saying that rap is not hip hop at all? I kinda agree with that. I would say rap is more what l call "hip pop" than hip hop but that is just my opinion. I would say "real hip hop" is an urban subculture mainly based on spoken word creativity and an expressive art form that also includes other forms of art such as graffiti, break dancing, and fashion. Just because rap has been used by the prison industrial complex to promote criminality does not mean that it created systematic racism. I never said it did.

[@magneticqubzian6902]

That old Pale lip KQQN is off code

[@frazierduran71]

Truth is rap has been very detrimental to the world. For every positive song there's ten violent ones.

[@dassolosyndikat5113]

I agree a very bad influence it has fucked up my life too

[@DoctorRevers]

It’s just a form of expression man. Lots of other factors and catalysts going on.

[@jro8124]

I went to prison too and I tryed to explain that it was because of rap.

[@Caligula666x]

@@jro8124 hahahahahah this has me fuckin rolling. I hope to fucking God, surely this is in jest.

[@wokeone8387]

It's very influential. That was the whole point of bringing rap music to the game to keep black folk locked down in the system. It takes a strong mind to just see it as art and not influence their character or the choices they make. I love 90's boom bap but I try to listen to conscious rap now. Positive music, positive influence. Negative music. Negative influence. It's all about how you perceive it. You have a mind, use it.

[@amputeevictory700]

Crouch: It’s not really music. Crouch presently: Please delete this video!

[@rationaloptimist4959]

In the classical sense it can be debatable when it comes to the musical elements. Music is being made, it is a groundbreaking genre. However in comparison to other back genres in origin(Blues, Jazz and Rock and Roll) instrumental standards was still respected.

[@JordonCheung1]

21:57 whos callin mogul russell?

[@falcosparverius6385]

Simmons clearly the smartest in the room, by what he says and his demeanor

[@sean24833]

I aint gon lie but fam kinda look like mr popo

[@UndeniableUndesirables]

😂😂😂 check my music out beloved

[@johnw685]

Lol Kris got his Nikes on ….. !

[@soloist9495]

Uncle ruckus yall 2.42

[@pillcosby3264]

Lol

[@terryjackson6950]

Oh dear Lord please forgive me Jesus, now I know I'm not the only one that noticed this. But that black guy with the glasses, clearly he's a black a man right? But the lips on him was a whole another white man with it's very own talk show 🤣🤣🤣

[@mozfonky]

good one dude.

[@jdholt5388]

Mo mo Simmons ruined the interview frm the start

[@xanderortiz3346]

Next thing you know this guy is going to crap on poetry.

[@markobuenrostro8977]

Russell Simmons has his music history incorrect.. Jazz came before Rock N Roll music. Rock is influenced by Jazz, Blues and Classical music.

[@PatrickFisher1]

You misinterpreted him, he got it right. Blues first, then jazz, followed by rock and then rap.

[@YourMothersHouseChillin]

Oh hush up...Stop trying to be a smart know it all. This man is on T.V and you ain't.

[@bryantoconnor691]

THIS LITTLE SCRIMMAGE IS ABOUT CAPITALISM ( DOLLARS AND NO SENSE ) THEY MADE DOLLARS BUT THE MUSIC MADE NO SENSE , LISTEN TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE SONGS 😢 WASTE OF TIME

[@UndeniableUndesirables]

Check my music out. Real substance

[@nilanperera4774]

Crouch doesn't get it and never has...I blew him off years ago....an uncle tom making money being so.

[@sirpoppinchuck]

I never heard of Russel Simmons promoting any born again Christian rappers ooohh his brother Run!!! DMC is not a Christian. I've performed on stages with KRS One on a number of occasions.

[@alansheppard6718]

Uncle Tom...sorry meant to say Uncle Stanley didn't get it because he viewed our reality through the eyes of a house Nga.

[@TheClarkchern]

Crouch symbolic with Tom... the uncle