The Cult Next Door (Official Short Film)

[@KB-tg7pf]

I was raised in this cult. I cried watching this. Finally someone put together something I can show people when they tell me ATI wasn't that bad.

[@simongreyse4171]

Kaytie Buckhalt, I live in central Europe and I heard seminars in russian. And I'm dreaming to be an a student in hothard's iblp or ati.

[@Ethericrose]

My healing love to you Kaytie. You are so strong to come here and watch this after living through it. You are an inspiration.

[@bunniewilder2515]

Kaytie Buckhalt I am glad you found your freedom. My heart goes out to you and your loved ones.

[@tansywoods8947]

Kaytie Buckhalt I grew up in a church, very similar to this.. I am free now but still have flashbacks.

[@eunhinged4764]

The World is beautifuly, amazingly, and epically awesome! Not to be afraid of, scorned or ran away from but embraced. My hope is for anyone stuck in a cult, oppressed or forced into isolation (for whatever reasons), can watch this documentary, and come join us. I promise you the only scary thing about the World is all the wonderful things it has to offer you......Good luck to you all : )

[@kittycoon9143]

I just stumbled upon this documentary and I’m so glad someone made this! I was raised in iblp and ATI. My family was in it for about 15 years probably, from the time I was probably a toddler until I was about 17 when we finally got out of it completely. We weren’t in too deep thank goodness, but my siblings and I went to several of his programs and our family attended a few of the conferences. I knew it was weird and I questioned things a lot so bill gothard told my parents I was “rebellious” and needed more guidance, so he invited me to live and work at the hq in Illinois. I lived there for a summer and I remember how creepy he was and how he treated us girls. He hugged us all the time and had one on one counseling and played footsie with us under the table at meals. I was pretty sheltered, so I didn’t know that much about sexual deviance or predators etc. I just thought it was weird. I thank the Lord that I had my own throughs and opinions, I did not allow him to bully me or take advantage of me. He knew I was too strong willed to be one of his favorite little play things. But I know some girls who were not so lucky😰 he liked the shy, sweet girls who were pure and chaste. All of this to say, what this man taught was not what God intended. He used the Bible to control and oppress people but this is not God’s heart. This is not Christianity, it was a perverse form of Christianity, but please do not put this on Christians as a whole. I believe the Bible and the God of the Bible, and I’m glad that I knew enough about the Bible to know that something was off. I’m glad I narrowly escaped this pervert. I hope he gets what he deserves for all the evil he’s done. I know he will answer to God for it one day, if not here on earth.

[@nottthereyet4872]

My own neice was at HQ for years. Even today as an adult, she is programmed to "follow the leader" without much thought of her own. She seems to hold no independent thought. So very happy for you! No one should ever follow man. Only God. Footsie really?? Ugh

[@southbug27]

So glad you didn't let him take God away from you. When people are abused religiously, then often turn completely from God & become bitter, hate-filled atheists. Although I wasn't in a cult, I was religiously abused & I wasted years running from God & being angry. I regret that I let their actions lead me to choose to walk away from God, the church, & living a Christian life for so many years.

[@jana731]

I'm glad that went out for you so well. You seemed to have learned from that, I hope the others will find some way to get out. But yeah sexual education is important I guess to look through such situations that even if one isn't as ownminded as you are one can still get out of such situations. Thats really dangerous

[@noname-by3qz]

I can't possibly excuse the Bible. It's got soo many contradictory directives it never ends. Jesus never said there would be a book, put together by worldly men of power, 3-400 years after him and everyone should worship it. That idea has ruined so many lives!!

[@juliecreaser878]

@@noname-by3qz interesting concept

[@juliemagouirk7687]

I was in this Cult, by my parents decision. I was around second or third grade when we entered this ATI/IBLP Cult. I didn't realize it was a Cult until...probably my mid teens. Which I believe was due to being extremely isolated from the real world due to my parents decision to home-school, being part of ATI/IBLP, churches that were led by the Cult Leaders persay, which REALLY isolated us. The Legalism that came from this Cult was overwhelming. It was used to control the wives/women, girls, and even the boys somewhat. The men were the hierarchy in the Cult. All the parents believed that they were keeping their kids safe from the world, when in reality it all did more damage then good. The ATI program used fear based religion to control everyone. I've had to go to Therapists over the years to help in my healing from it all. I found the courage to leave this Cult in my early twenties. I"m glad someone found the courage to finally make a small documentary of it. Kudos.

[@TheJayLordx]

Can I ask how you managed to escape this cult? Are your parents still in it or did they leave at the same time as you? Really glad you managed to see through this vile man and break the hold he had on you; to be human is to be free. Best wishes to you.

[@cerriberry6835]

Well done Julie ...all my love and best wishes to you. God certainly give us mountains to climb dosent he 🇬🇧🙏🏼✌🏻️

[@Jasapan-u4s]

Our nephew got back from ALERT. Is this part of this cult? All I know is it seems so odd

[@kimmypayne2559]

I have tried to watch 19 kids and counting but can't get past the fake sincerity that mama duggar tries to politely whisper

[@hollyvanvleck3988]

i often woner if she is yelling at her kids when the cameras are off lol.

[@tired_buthappy]

Pretty sure her whispering is scarier than most moms’ yelling.

[@melissamorton1282]

Those kids are so screwed. They haven't been taught anything factual

[@harlotteoscara686]

If someone, anyone, tells you that they have “The Answer”, that the end of the world is right around the corner, that he or she speaks for God, and/or God wants you to allow bodily violation, RUN LIKE HELL. RUN. RUN. 🏃‍♀️ 🏃

[@rhondac4459]

I came out of a church like that. You are terrified to leave because if you did you were out from the covering of God and a lighting rod for satans attacks. When I finely had to courage to leave I was so surprised to find God is so must kinder than I was taught. Grace and Mercy is an amazing thing.

[@suzanneracine689]

AMEN

[@knaptmenneskelig2611]

FredMonster ...... All Christian religions are based on fear ..... Your getting closer, but your still not there .....

[@forestdweller5581]

Until you can recognize all religions or Gods are merely fictitious you have a long way to go.

[@kimberlyhovis5864]

Amen

[@monetenglish68]

I left a Cogic church and was told satan would get a hold on me. Religious groups are not ok nor are they of God. Seek the lord not the church or religion. 🤗

[@robertapascal6962]

The woman speaking at 22 minutes is speaking my truth. I was not raised in this, but my dad was a pastor and angry. His mom was mean to him. He in-turn raised us the same way. All the while preaching god’s love. It has taken me a long time to understand I have value. I wish I could befriend some of these people. At least they would understand my lack of social skills.

[@BhappyD]

There are many different support groups online for what you have experienced, even if you don't share the exact same religion/cult. Anyone growing up in an environment like that, regardless of its given title, will share the same or similar scars and trauma as the result of such an upbringing. It may be worth it to check some of those support groups out, as it is always nice to connect with others who know exactly what you're going through and make you realize that you aren't alone. I have not survived religious abuse, but I do know what it is like to have an abusive father. My "father" was/is a narcissist who was abusive, an alcoholic, controlling, and extremely manipulative. My mother and I were both his constant daily victims, and together we both faced his abuse and rages. It was not easy growing up in the environment he created, but I thank God for my amazing and beautiful mother, who did everything in her power to give me the best life possible despite our circumstances. My father always read the bible before he went to bed each night (always kept his bible under the bed on his side), and would project about God and His teachings etc. but he was always a walking contradiction, which was confusing as a child. I always had a genuine love for the Lord, but my faith was very distorted and limited due to the constant hypocritical ways of my father. I had a very warped view of the bible, and until my later teen/young adult years I was even a bit afraid to even read it, as I always associated the bible to my father and him reading his every night. I am thankful for God's patience though, as with time He has helped me overcome so much of the damage that my father caused, and I no longer look at the bible with resentment, but instead find it as a refuge and source of peace. It is so hard growing up with an abusive father, and people don't realize just how deeply it can affect all aspects of your life and your view of yourself and the world. I am so sorry that you know that same pain. I hope and pray that with time you will begin to find peace after what you have endured! Definitely consider seeking out some form of an online support group, whether it be for religious based abuse, or just for parental abuse in general, as it can be so healing to talk with others who truly understand. I also suggest that you seek professional help from a therapist, if you haven't already, as that is something that has helped me greatly as well. May God bless you! 💗🙏

[@dramatriangle]

I'm trying so hard not to pass these scars onto my kids.

[@dramatriangle]

famous brillance thanks for sharing that.

[@joandenisewannercrowley216]

How sad. Jesus's message is so simple. Your sins are forgiven. Stop focusing on you and start to do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Period.

[@Smooshes786]

@Roguish Miggz he abused her. She is responsible for her goodness and humor. Nobody else.

[@sjow3952]

My question is how he was considered such an "expert" when he himself has never been married or had a family of his own. That in itself would have discredited his "system" in my eyes. What a creep.

[@gregcampbell4577]

That is a Very Good Point,' Definitely something Wrong with that Picture !

[@ArtCurator2020]

Dear Schlo: Gothard is definitely crazy, but I don't think that you need to be personally involved with something to be an "expert" about it. Male obstetricians never had a baby themselves yet they are indeed "experts" on the subject.

[@lillylazer429]

Exactly. Taking advice from this quack

[@OneWingedHoneybee]

@@sbeasley7585 Throw the whole bible away

[@knaptmenneskelig2611]

SBeasley ...... Just throw out the entire ridiculous book !!!!! That book ( what I call the sheep headers guide to the universe.... You call it the bible) has caused more pain and grief on this world then can be accounted for, given that, wouldn't that make your so called God a maniacal and aberrant tyrant..... OF COURSE IT WOULD.....

[@Tina06019]

“If you rebel, God will make your car break down.....”. Hahahaha! I just cannot imagine that the Creator of the universe would choose to operate on such a micro-level.

[@TheNeeyang]

Tina lmaooo

[@SouthernBell86]

Tina Growing up in ATI I interpreted much smaller things than this as punishments for displeasing God. Can't find my keys? DVD player not working? Hitting all red lights? Better start thinking of what sins you can confess to make it stop so it doesn't escalate. Big things like a car breaking down usually lead to panic attacks because then God must be really angry.

[@saranatali4112]

SouthernBell86 I can 100% relate to this. I can’t finish watching this video. It triggers so many memories.

[@angeliquaserenity5009]

That was pretty much what Job's 'comforters' argued. Preachers like Bill Gothard don't read Job.

[@gillmacgillechiaran5651]

Tina - That supposed Creator is, it seems, capable of the most sordid evils and perversions.

[@KB-tg7pf]

Something they left out was the teaching that since we all deserve hell, anything better than hell was a blessing. Another teaching that coincided with that was that we should surrender all our rights to God, and any feeling of unhappiness was a red flag that we still had some rights we hadn't surrendered yet. Now couple those two core beliefs with the authority structure set up, and you have the perfect scene for abuse. No matter what happened, we thought "if this makes me upset, I need to surrender my right to be happy. Thank you, God for this situation since it's so much better than hell. Please help me to surrender to your will even when it doesn't make sense to me." I consider myself very fortunate that my father genuinely loved me and was only in ATI because he was deceived and trying to do the best he could. So many of my friends weren't so lucky.

[@NeonBloodyMary94]

I know this feeling, it was a very scary experience. I remember I wasn't allowed to be upset. I had to give my right to be angry, no matter how justified to God.

[@JeremyFtw4]

Kaytie Buckhalt Ati does not teach abuse I personally disagree with several things Bill Gothars teaches, and I think if you asked Bill Gothard himself he would say its okay to disagree with him, if your family got legalstic with it and were abusing you then that is on that, maybe its for that very reason that God took Bill Gothard out of his position, people where treating his teachings too sacredly, but he never taught to do that....

[@bunniewilder2515]

Kaytie Buckhalt I...am at a loss for words. My father's side of the family are all prechers. Even my father has preached. My great grandma was my Sunday school teacher. She was a sunday school teacher for over 50 years. My mother when she first met my father had unknowingly wondered in to a "church" that was a cult. Jim Jones style. She kicked up as fuss in the "church" screaming, yelling, throwing things, calling the "church" out on their BS, and flat out called them a cult...she was kicked out. I think my mom's lack of ability to go along with what she was being told and voice that what they were doing was wrong not just from a Christain stand point but from a moral stand point. I think that saved her from a lot of danger. I am very sorry that you had to live though this. I am sorry that your friends had to suffer this. My heart goes out to you and your loved ones. My mom has a saying "cults are like an abusive relationship. You don't know you are in one until it's to late." I am glad you broke free.

[@stacynonyabizz4241]

Jeremy Ftw he was removed from the position because he is a sexual predator and keeping him in charge once that became public knowledge damaged the ability of the ati to make money from people the whole concept of the ati is abusive to anyone who is not the " authority". As a male you would be part of that privileged class. of course people will suport and d3fend a system that they benefit from. gothard teaches hitting infants, gothard teaches mindless obedience. gothard teaches helplessness. gothard teaches distrust of uoirand.own feelings. gothard teaches that men are helpless in the face of lust. gothard teaches victim blaming. gothard and the ati are the tools of satan sent to destroy men by allowing them an excuse to be weak and to destroy women by taking there independence away and to destroy children by keeping them from becoming adults in mind and spirit. gothard is evil

[@lv7118]

Kaytie Buckhalt ..hope you're happy now...for real.

[@zachcochran343]

3 cults I’d love to see brought down: Scientology, jehovas witness, and Mormonism

[@dissonantpulse]

And Adventists...

[@amberfebruary]

All of the cults!

[@ThatsSoGayLIVEGayTV]

*All religions. All religions/deities are fake/cults/brainwashing entities. Here's how we know: *IF* any religion/God/ was true/real, then churches would have been the FIRST & ONLY establishments open during the covid virus, yet, were not; liquor stores were deemed more essential over any church. #TuneIn #HigherEducation

[@zachcochran343]

Sally Hall that has got to be the strangest thing I’ve seen on KZbin said in a long time 🤣

[@zachcochran343]

Sally Hall you realize people congregate in churches for an hour or two at a time rather close to one another and liquor stores are a place you go in buy something and leave lol

[@vertiian]

"I had friends who were still stuck in their homes in their late 20s." I thought of Jana Duggar

[@debbiebrown4420]

I've read that among those legalistic families there were single women in their 30s still totally dependent on their fathers and that some of them hadn't even been taught to drive, and of course, at that late age they still had no work experience at all. Those women had no more say-so over anything at all I don't guess than they had when they were 3 years old.

[@naomihukes8283]

Child abusers don't just stop when there a teen, it continues into adult hood.

[@AttackHak]

Yep... and it is passed to the children

[@hollyro4665]

I mean it kind of depends. Pedophiles will lose interest in people as they turn to teens or adults cause it’s the kids they’re attracted to.

[@BeautifulRealist]

Never stop questioning

[@debofranco2441]

Danielle M Yes! Test the spirits! No excuse if you k ow the Word Hosea 4:6 Proverbs 10:21

[@robertbishop5357]

@@debofranco2441 that's also in the New Testament. I think it's in 1 Peter.

[@KyokoEnoshima]

I find it funny there's religious responses to this

[@adamwoodie4029]

Yes! Even question whether or not you should never stop questioning!... Wait.. no don't question that. Crap, now I'm confused.. does that mean I just stopped questioning?? No it can't because I just asked another question! Sshhwoo that was close.... or was it???

[@knaptmenneskelig2611]

Debo Franco ..... Blah blah blah..... You are just another brain washed automaton spewing out the same old monotonous, mundane poppycock, you and your kind use sophism in your diatribes in an attempt to win over and control the vulnerable, ignorant and indigent...... Don't try to fool us, and don't fool yourself, you are no better then he is.......

[@teamcougars]

So when the Duggar girls were asleep in their beds with blankets and jammies they tempted Josh by Gothards beliefs? Man alive did Jimmy Boob fail his daughters by not teaching Josh healthy boundaries 🤬

[@melissamorton1282]

Yes it's so sad, they were taught that if a male gets aroused it's always the female's fault 😢

[@growlinghands4696]

@18:50 - "Fire Alarms: When the fire alarm goes off, each person must descend the stairs *fully dressed* [my emphasis] whether day or night and go outside to the front of the building." Modesty is so much more important than mortality!

[@iliketowatch.]

I think the origin of Bill Gothard's need to control women comes from his insecurity regarding his small stature and high, woman-like voice.

[@mrscouts07]

The biggest problem here is that there are just enough positive things included in this cult that you can easily get sucked in, and not even realize it. There's nothing wrong with modesty, good character traits, and be the best you can be. But when it crosses over to legalism and a sole man (Gothard) as absolute authority, we're in cult territory. My parents actually met at a Gothard Conference back in the mid-70s and I'm so incredibly grateful that they didn't accept everything that Gothard said, but were able to think critically. I was homeschooled and had several friends in ATI but as kids we didn't talk much about details at the time-- I just knew that their parents were even more strict than mine (which was unbelievable!) and they were excluded from some activities. Now I have adult friends who went through ATI as kids and they're all either in counseling or in need of counseling. And parents don't always get into it to mess up and control their kids-- I believe that a lot of them just want to create a good, wholesome life for their family. So sad.

[@akbarshoed]

RealHousewifeRachel this movie is such garbage

[@akbarshoed]

RealHousewifeRachel this movie is such a pile of shit!!!! I know I KNOW each of these haters are drugged out losers now. Half are probably suicidal. It's a fucking CURRICULUM.

[@marrionhues7296]

Yeah. I agree ironically maybe people who were excluded from the counter-culture were attracted to by fear & alienation it's just the degree of actions that should be taken into account.

[@priscellareid6314]

It is like being a Jehovah's witness.

[@lookingglass9175]

@@akbarshoed. BILL GOTHARD IS SATANS SPAWN. HE IS A PREDATOR. ANYONE THAT CLAIMS DIFFERENTLY IS BLIND.

[@mariekatherine5238]

Some colleagues from my Christian school signed up for one of these seminars. I joined them, but was rejected because I was age 27, unmarried, but living on my own, not under the "headship" of my father. Never mind the fact that I'd been on my own from age 18 or that I was not invited to live with my parents. I was considered unworthy and "in rebellion." Now, I thank God this cult rejected me. One of my colleagues got dragged into it with her entire family and it was eight years before they broke away having to suffer many negative consequences.

[@annmarie2964]

Praise God that you were rejected by such a group. Misery loves company of their own ilk.

[@WitchyWay...]

I grew up Mormon, but a ton of the things in this video were also taught in that church. That's scary...

[@ESLhills]

I went to conferences before I was married. Practicing this ultimate submission ruined my life. I waited for my family and church to tell me whether I should marry my first husband. They didn't and I felt they were on board with it. I tried my best to submit, but honestly, there was nothing to submit to. I wasn't loved. I stayed in that for 20 years. Painful lonely years. I am still a Christian, but I've come to label Gothard's teachings as Christian mental illness. Now I believe in "mutual submission." More balanced.

[@lindenmeadow]

I was first exposed to Bill Gothard's teachings in 1990 -- I was just a teenager at the time -- when I went with some friends to Gothard's 'basic' seminar in Atlanta. I went with the same friends to the 'advanced' seminar the following year. My parents had gone to one of his seminars in the 1970's, though thankfully they never got involved with his organization and never tried to build our lives around his teachings. I gradually came to recognize there were problems with a lot of what Gothard taught. For instance, he was notorious for taking Bible verses out of context and then using them as justification for his extreme positions. His heavy emphasis on absolute submission to authority concerned me as well. Additionally, it bothered me how many people that went to those Gothard seminars -- including the family I went with to the seminars in Atlanta -- practically idolized Bill Gothard and would uncritically accept anything he taught. The young daughter of that family, by the way, ended up going to work at IBLP (a.k.a. "the Institute") for a time. She got to know Bill Gothard personally and, by his request, kept working there longer than she had initially intended to. She definitely fit the profile of a "Gothard Girl" (pretty, slender, with long straight hair, etc.), but I dearly hope she didn't end up becoming one of Gothard's sexual abuse victims. :-(

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

Duggars are put of this cult

[@itswhatyoumakeit6950]

My beautiful, beloved mother brought us into a home of freedom, and critical thinking. Self starter, respectful of elders and authority but definitely NOT worship or just eat what they give. No fear mongering. Matter of fact, I will text her right now and thank her once AGAIN!

[@MsAdventure531]

Yep Very similar to my experience coming of age. Hard to believe there are/were so many blind followers.

[@henryharris1636]

Yesterday I was driving on birchwood road with my friends and just messing around. We were in the cult parking lot, again just messing around. This road is a no outlet road by the way. When we left the cult building, a white van started following us and blocked off the road so we were trapped. We kept trying to turn and they would reverse and block us again. I had to go off the road to escape and even then the van kept following us. Who knows what would’ve happened if they had got us. I don’t expect people to believe this because it sounds crazy but I’m telling you what happened to me last night. If you see an old, white, smaller van that is slightly rusty and has tinted windows on the back doors and on the back of the sides, please beware. This is obviously a dangerous and active cult and I advise to stay far away. Especially if around the hinsdale area

[@SilverWalker84]

as a parent if you have to send your child into a program to try to control or reprogram them you should take a long look at yourself because you are the issue. the majority of issues should be dealt with in the home and outsourcing the upbringing of your children is a disaster waiting to happen

[@DaniHahn100]

Michael McMullen I love this comment

[@brendakabanda2181]

Absolutely

[@suzanneracine689]

yes I agree

[@brendar9363]

I think it's important to notice how intelligent these people are. It's not idiots who get drawn into cults. It's people who, for whatever reason, are seeking. And a little bit weak.

[@EK-dt4cp]

Brenda R I have old coworkers who are Scientologists and I think the exact same thing. I’ll never understand how such seemingly intelligent people get sucked into cults.

[@inkyguy]

Brenda R, we're all weak.

[@MsAdventure531]

@@inkyguyno, not all.

[@dogdoc3613]

What shocks me is that so many thousands of people followed this person that wasn't married and had no children but his word on marriage and child rearing was gospel. It's absolutely baffling.

[@zzulm]

Its sad how religious people try to take control of vulnerable persons and isolate them so they stay vulnerable.

[@mariec3527]

Zzul Ma and people let shit like this go on

[@sallyc2679]

In Christianity mostly and in cults that’s true but it sounds kind of like offensive for someone in a religion for example I’m Jewish and they don’t make me to anything

[@Thia911]

@@sallyc2679 Interesting that the comment would "sound kind of like offensive" to you because you're Jewish, yet you feel it's ok to be offensive toward Christianity. Real hypocritical.

[@spacecase7566]

Sally Is here ask orthodox Jewish people what they experience. Every religion has extremes.

[@brendakabanda2181]

@@sallyc2679 you can save that bs. We have seen how Jewish women are treated when they try to divorce. Please. One of the worst religions.

[@cheesecake134]

I felt so bad for the woman who said she's always just a little behind, especially when it comes to socializing. This cult has such long-term, devastating effects even if you managed to escape the rampant physical and sexual abuse(often in your own damn FAMILY). Bill Gothard is such a monster.

[@mindysommers]

Very good documentary. But for the love of God, cool it with the music. It is so distracting and intrusive.

[@steadyc9277]

OMG right?? I really wanted to watch the whole thing but it got SO irritating at times I had to hit mute and turn the captioning on!!

[@suzanneracine689]

I agree

[@Andrea1542]

The music is annoying and the constant volume changes suck. One person will be really loud then the next person sounds like they're miles away and muffled. It's a good doc though!

[@asianpersuasionmelly7847]

Mindy Sommers i agree

[@danwalk5881]

I liked the music. It tells you whats the sad bits an exciting bits lol

[@Windsweptzariel]

It would be interesting to put Warren Jeffs in the same room(cell) with Bill Gothard & see what would ensue

[@stacynonyabizz4241]

i can see a fucked up buddy sitcom ensueing

[@pguthrie222]

🤤

[@rosesandsongs21]

They would sexually abuse each other why?

[@stacynonyabizz4241]

i said fucked up not fucking each other. but yes actually i bet they would because gay prison sex is not just about sex its way more about power, and that jeffs has molested underage boys as well as underage girls, yeah i think someone is gonna rape the other.

[@rosesandsongs21]

. Yep, fucked up fuckers fucking each other for power! Oh dear, I don't talk like this usually, what is happening to me this is horrible... BUT, did they both abuse innocent victims? Yes. Do they deserve it? Of course. Still, I'm not used to such language... Seriously, how can anyone with half a brain knowingly damage young innocent minds for the rest of their lives, then turn around, look at the TV camera, smile and say: ''I can save you.'' Now THAT is a perfect case where I find our justice system unjust, these non-humans should also suffer physically AND morally for as long as they live, an eye for an eye dammit. Okay STOP, this started as a joke, I got a little emotional here, sorry.

[@mfsstrpp]

We went through all of these programs including the home school program and even talked to Bill Gothard once or twice. We finally had to leave because of the cultish feel of this. We DID benefit a lot from the idea of "Wisdom Searches" which were just a daily bible study every morning with the family which had a very positive impact on all of us. It is unfortunate that this whole ministry seemed to get really skewed in relation to true gospel living.

[@mfsstrpp]

Additionally, the initial thrust seemed to be "here are the truths of scripture, now base your convictions on these" and slowly went to "here are my convictions, and they need to be yours also".

[@lucindaburke6987]

Hi Steve. I’m obviously late to the comments section but my brother and sister in law went through the program and homeschooled their seven children. You can obviously say what you want in how it helped your family but all I know is that IBLP divided our entire family. I have no relationship with my nieces and nephews because of it.

[@gratefulanon1886]

God bless you for exposing this. I went to several seminars as a teen. I threw all the hardbacks I bought a few years later. It was all based on works.

[@mariec3527]

Once people start to limit your freedom you should know that's bad and that is a huge red flag . Don't ever let anyone tell you what to do . Nobody has that right . I Could literally see the pain and hurt in the guy with blonde hair that was wearing all black . His tone of voice and the way his eyes would move and how watery they looked you could tell

[@NJSMKMMS]

Trouble is these kids are all born into it, it's business as usual for them. The whole thing is founded on isolation and being taught what to think not how to think. It's massive if they get out and stay out and it's no easy road when they do. The three interviewed look seriously haunted by it.

[@Sydnarella]

My family was in another "new religious movement" (cough cough) cult. Gothard's seminars were used more as supplemental material, but most of us were sent to his seminars. He lost me with the message that you should obey the male head of your family even if he is telling you to do something that is morally (or legally) wrong.

[@thetrintarianmessianicyahw589]

Morally and Legally Wrong. Nice. You really can make the Bible say whatever you want.

[@sarahs3988]

@@thetrintarianmessianicyahw589 You can't make the bible say that. It doesn't. As I read this comment I was shocked because as a Christian who discussed authority with my children occasionally I always follow it up with, as long as it doesn't lead you to sin. We are to live by the laws of our country, as long as it's not into sin, we are to obey our parents, or someone who is teaching you or watching you, as long as it is not into sin. Etc. Because that is what the bible teaches.

[@mfrompa9641]

God bless all those whom had the strength to speak out! God bless all whom is still stuck in this repetition!!!

[@jbw53191]

From the very first moment I watched the Duggars during season 1, I thought, "t This REALLY isn't going to end well."

[@ToLoveIsToLive89]

I have met this man in person, at Erin Bates wedding, he was a total creep! It also weirded me out that they had a birthday cake that looked like a wedding cake at the reception for him!!!😣😬😱

[@raizelm1578]

That whole male-dominated authority thing is very much a part of Mormonism as well.

[@kathyheitchue6069]

Raizel M Also most christian especially fundamental sects

[@kathyheitchue6069]

Raizel M Blame goes to the idiotic Eve created 2nd,from Adams rib bible fable

[@mariaavalon3730]

@@kathyheitchue6069 Yeah I would rather be like Lilith who left the Garden and became the Queen of Demons. Hell even the second wife was lucky that Adam didn't want her even though we don't know what happened to her. All I can think of is Bette Davis a very Lilith Spirited woman saying "Poor Eve!"

[@Michael-pf8we]

Mormonism is also a cult

[@nikichat4476]

Raizel M The Bible also teaches us to obey our husbands. It’s a true thing.

[@MsMdip]

With this thing about female submission fundamentalist Christians argue for, I always remember my dad describing his idea of marriage according to the Bible: husband and wife will become one heart and one flesh, but it NEVER said one mind, especially if that mind resides in only one of the heads.

[@bluetickbeagles116]

This documentary reminds me of some Pentecostal beliefs of full submission and obedience to the pastor/prophet/bishop. 😣

[@mariatorok364]

gwen keto I’m sorry to tell you it’s not true, I’m Pentecostal since I was born (52) but in my church and i moved a few times they will never tell you to obey the pastor, they will tell you to obey the bible, of corse there are some rules in the church just to be order and peace but nothing that bad like here in this film, even here they had a few things according to the bible for example how to dress, I teach my 4 girl to dress nice but not to sexy and because they are beautiful girls they are always appreciated and complemented on the streets for baying cute and 3 of them have good jobs because they are smart, but living according to the word of God it’s healthy and good of corse again not going to the extreme, but being submissive to people in a way that they will dictate your life it’s very wrong, God gave us free will!!

[@farmchick1413]

Yep. The Bible doesn't teach this crap. That's why checks and balances are in place per God's word. :)

[@Ksklarge1]

My grandpa was a Pentecostal pastor and you are incorrect or went to one aweful church.... They do not teach to 'obey' the pastor....

[@wadewelch6849]

There is a difference between obedience to man and the culture he represents. Or tries to create or obedience to the word of God. The fist leads to bondage..the other freedom.

[@juniperseeds48214]

I agree Gwen

[@MarlomRV]

I'm from São Paulo, Brazil. I'm an ex Jehovah Witness. A lot of things go through my mind when I watch these documentaries. I mean, I could be dead by now, because I would entertain suicidal thoughts every time... I just wanted to die, because Armaggedon was near and I would not make it to the "new world", as I was not doing enough in "God's true organization". Cults are dangerous and sometimes... deadly...

[@claravieira9102]

Eu não tinha a mínima ideia que testemunha de Jeová era uma seita! Sinto muito que vive tenha passado por isso

[@swim610]

I married a guy like this. Nightmare.

[@sarahelizabeth7705]

Tonya Stutz honestly as a Christian I could never marry a Christian man because of this type of lifestyle, its abusive by nature and so oppressive towards women.

[@lillylazer429]

Hope you got out. This is so much women blaming and shaming.

[@Thia911]

@@sarahelizabeth7705 So let me get this straight, you're a Christian, but you don't want to marry a Christian man? Wow... so all Christian men are cultic and abusive? "Submission" - yea that bad "s" word, doesn't mean = oppression nor does God intend for the wife or husband to be oppressed. People just misunderstand the context of that word in the scriptures.

[@OneWingedHoneybee]

@Kyril J You're making a lot of assumptions about someone you don't know.

[@girlsdigmytube183]

“Wives shall submit themselves to their husbands, as the husband submits to the the church, as the church submits to God”

[@lauraswann5543]

ALWAYS QUESTION AUTHORITY. God gave each one of us the gift of free will. Think for yourselves.

[@isbsey]

This "man control" was just how it was for ordinary girls in the 1950s. You stayed at home until your father walked you down the aisle and handed you over to your husband. I left for London from a small Scottish town and I had to come home every month and walk up and down the high street in tight clothes to SHOW I was away to a good job in London and not dismissed to a great aunt until I had an unwanted (what a horrible word) baby. Ridiculous!! This was 1972!!

[@davidbrown-hf3ti]

My family wasn’t into this, but many folks in my church. One thing I thought I observed, was that I rarely saw any of the adherents give a big, free belly laugh. They’d smile or chuckle, but both usually seemed nervous or painful.

[@aina3387]

We visited a "home-church" a few times in which the members were part of this cult. My dad pretty quickly realized what was really going on, and decided we weren't going back. Even back then, he thought it was cult-like. But my BFF's family continued to go for a few years. During those years, I was considered "worldly" and my BFF couldn't hang out with me. Jokes on them, because I turned out way more conservative than my BFF.

[@thejoycatcher8189]

He took something sacred and corrupted it. Taking a few truths and creating/twisting things in order to manipulate and have power over them. This happens far too often! I wonder how many people were damaged by this false prophet?! I’m so glad eyes were opened and people were brave enough to get out! If people search for truth they will recognize this is not Gods plan! So sad! My heart goes out to anyone going through this sort of thing! Joy and blessings do not come from manipulation and abuse of power.

[@chellebelle914]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU FOR TELLING MY STORY. BETTER THAN I EVER COULD! THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE LIGHT!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!

[@LanaLo0000]

I greatly appreciate these people coming forward to speak on their experiences.

[@inkyguy]

I remember seeing his literature years ago in the 1980s. One of the points that it made that forever stuck in my mind was that a man stealing food or medication to save a dying child must, according to the Bible, go to prison. I knew there and then that this man's idea of authority had no room for grace or humanity, that it was an exercise in Biblical fundamentalism, legalism and rigid hierarchical control of others.

[@lesevans6567]

So, this was a Christian cult. And, it was built in broad daylight. It blows my mind. How many wonderful parents. Will see a blueprint for life. That someone has eloquently put together. And, they immediately say, we should raise our children this way. When they were doing fine already. And, if they would’ve let time run it’s coarse? They’d have been fine. Life goes by to fast. Teach your children that no one knows what’s best for their children better then they do…

[@smurfiennes]

Never join any club except cooking class or sport

[@dazanii]

The way they describe the oppressive culture of ATI r minds me so much of growing up a Jehovah’s Witness. The rules based system, conservative views on sex, “stumbling” men, blaming every little problem you ever have in life no matter what it is on your not being spiritual enough or praying enough or preaching to the public enough, the whole umbrella authority model, so much of it is so similar.

[@rickster348]

- sound like Jim Jones.

[@wellIdiditagain]

rickster348 more like the JW, Catholic priests, FLDS etc etc it's sad.

[@ingridmilliebobby-brown7653]

Though Jim Jones used hooked people in under a Christian-based/ Christian-masked philosophy, it was much different rhetoric than what's being used here. The bait-and-hook that eventually became Jonestown was initially geared toward the poor. The "family" archetype that drew people in was more about experiencing Jones as Father/ God, vs. the cult in this documentary bait-and-hooking people with delusions of totalitarian authority in their own home.

[@rvgypsy2909]

I'm 33 and still have scars from a childhood like this. So much damage done in the name of " religion" shame..

[@hnybee113]

@1ApologeticResponse did any of the creators of the new Amazon doc on the Duggers and this maniacs teachings?? BRILLIANT AND INFORMATIVE WORK. Your work should be featured alongside that documentary.

[@katlibby83]

What an excellent, brave, and self-aware film. I loved it.

[@lv7118]

Kat Libby agree completely...background music unfortunately distracted from the excellent,incisive interviews though

[@akbarshoed]

Kat Libby this is a movie for sheep. You're so idiotic

[@SMtWalkerS]

Wow, fascinating. Seems so often that the power that religious leaders have, leads to corruption and abuse and hypocrisy. I was raised by an atheist dad and a very observant Christian mother. They respected each other and my childhood was peaceful, full of love and fun and calm. I attended church and Sunday School and dad would show if we were singing or something. He considered it good education, but said we could make up our own minds when we were adult. So did Mom. It was just life to me, but now I realize how lucky I was.

[@cherilynlarsen8104]

Thank you for making this film. I am a Christian and homeschooled my children. I ran into Gothard teachings at that time and felt they were skewed, based on false premises and abusive. His view of authority and "headship" is unbiblical. I was very concerned for the girls in these families. Many received a poor education and were restricted to their homes. The oldest daughters became the second mother in the family structure and were expected to spend their 20s taking care of younger siblings instead of going to college or working. Don't get me started on their abusive and manipulative idea of child rearing. I have often wondered how married couples would take Gothard's advice on marriage when he was never married. But mostly I felt pity for many caught in this cult because it was so fear based. They are fearful of punishment, and fearful of God. The grace of God, his kindness and forgiveness are pretty absent concepts in Gothard's mechanistic theology. I hope your movie is a comfort to those who have left.

[@sbeasley7585]

Jesus was never married and taught that it is better not to marry. I wonder how most people feel about that. Jesus also taught that the man is the head of the wife... Kinda like Adam and eve. Adam failed to redeem his wife Eve... Now look at the mess that created.

[@loveycat5474]

I attended Basic Youth Conflicts with my family in the 70s. I actually learned positive things about self worth. We stopped going in the 80s. I never found out why. I never knew now that it turn into a cult. I never knew that they got into home schooling. My father never became controlling and I had a voice in my family. I think he was able to take the positive and leave out the negative. Not too many people can do this. Any church can turn into a cult if they allow the authority to have complete control without anyone keeping guard on it. I guess you have to look at the amount of the rules and control the leaders have over the followers. somehow my family escaped all this.

[@thatonechick6744]

I was so close to being homeschooled with the ATI programn. Thank God that Gothard's teachings made my mom uneasy. Unfortunately I know kids who were in ATI... and some of those teachings made it into my church, homeschool co-ops, girl scouts and other social events. It took me years to find God... to truly find God. But what I went through is nothing compared to what these and many others have gone through because of Gothard. The only "sin" these parents committed was to try to make the world better for their family. It was the 80s and 90s. Christian's were looking for direction, wisdom and meaning. Then like that one young woman said, you just get sucked in. That other woman was 100% right. As Christians, we HAVE to look out for each other .... and as humans we have to as well. And that young man is changing the world. PS: this documentary was so well done! Kudos.

[@sandyforan3301]

Happened to us as well. Worked into church, social groups etc. The judgement from this cult was incredible. One came to our home to borrow something and noticed my painted toenails through my sandels. She actually said she would pray for me and my relationship with Christ....my nails were soft pink color.

[@sigsin1]

I apologize to those who will be offended but this is just a tiny step away from fundamentalist Christian. I am not saying all fundamentalist Christians rape the women in their family. But these rules and basic teachings are the way I was kind of brought up. My family was not as strict as the others in my Baptist Church but the four baptist churches in my small hometown taught these rules. And I do know of a couple of the families that did molest the girls but that wasn’t the norm. But I think this sets the scene. I was molested by non-family members and you can’t question that. And my parents accepted it instead of fighting for me because they didn’t want attention brought to them. That women belonged to men was definitely the rule. I dumped this when I was 15. And I didn’t go through the strictest teachings. But the fact that I have to live in fear of everything I do, that I am afraid to question things, that I have had such rotten things happen in my life means that I am not close enough to a God, etc. This hits very close to home for me because so much fits what I saw and what happened to me. And I know nothing of this group, this...cult? this is the first I’ve heard of them.

[@1ApologeticResponse]

I am sorry to hear your story but also sad to report that it is not unusual. These Seminars do not represent a 'cult' or denomination but a system of teaching to be used by practicing Christians of all stripes. The similarity to a separate cult or religious group is that they are targeted toward people who are already Christians and do not seek to get them to leave their churches but to introduce the teachings in to the churches that they already belong to which is what sounds like happened to you. I also grew up in a Baptist Church that adopted these teachings. Fortunately they did not catch on and were quickly dismissed but unfortunately the same can not be said for other churches. Thank you for sharing your story.

[@charlesx5292]

ATI was legalistic and cult-ish, BUT at least every child, including myself, who grew up in ATI, owned a Bible and were encouraged to read it. Despite the ministries flaws, many of us who grew up in ATI have a real relationship with the only true Savior, Jesus Christ. Praise the Lord. There are billions of people around the world with far worse childhoods than ATIers; and sadly, sexual exploitation/cover-up, is rampant in EVERY community. Blaming ATI for the sexual perversion of its members is misguided. “Men love the darkness rather than the light because their deeds are evil.” Unlike the behavior of the wicked; the church must never tolerate sexual abuse. Our enemy is not Bill, or IBLP, our enemy is the Devil and wickedness within our own hearts. I Praise Jesus for His forgiveness for such a wretch as me. I hope Bill does not trust in his own goodness to save him. I hope you don’t reject God and blame it on Bill.

[@giannawheeler2409]

Amen 🙏🏾

[@janelking2121]

I have the same views as the people in this video, because I was raised the same way. I suffer as an adult now and will NEVER get married!!

[@eetadakimasu]

Great film! I grew up under these teachings and my parents still ascribe to the idea that they have absolute authority even over middle-aged offspring

[@natalieamberger2432]

If you are not married, according to scripture their opinion def matters, but idk what you mean by absolute authority.

[@sarahs3988]

@@natalieamberger2432 where in scripture does it say adult women that are unmarried need to remain under their parents authority? As a married women my parents opinion still matters to me, but they don't have authority over me, it's no different for a single women.

[@saranatali4112]

My siblings and I were forced to watch the movie “the burning hell” by Ormond. I was 7, my brother was 5, and my sister was 4 years old. We remember every single detail of that movie. It was part of the brainwashing into having a true “fear” of God.

[@mbrown747]

I looked into this program as an option for homeschooling my children and decided because of the fact that he had not married or had children of his own that I did not trust his system as a reliable source. But there is definitely enough truth in his system to be attractive to families who want to protect their children and raise Godly children. I personally went a different direction, but don't be too harsh on parents who use it. Their ultimate intentions are usually good and they want the best for their families and for them Gothard's teachings promise so much of what these families are looking for. I heard a quote the other day, "You make the best decisions you can as as a parent at the time." We are not all perfect, and neither are you. We just do the best we can with what information we have at the time.

[@joannaguillen5526]

If you want to raise godly children, teach them to love and respect all human beings and to learn how to interact with everyone, even if they don't shares your philosophy or religious beliefs.

[@volcanosicily1]

This was not a small decision to make……it crushed so many children’s faith in God because of the abuse of authority and fear based, performance based doctrine. It was no small thing. I am so glad your children were not exposed to it. I am a grown adult with children and am still trying so hard to rid myself of this destructive belief system.

[@budekins542]

Definitely cult-like. Church 'programs' cannot compare to a personal relationship with Jesus the Christ.

[@R14iify]

bud ekins why not skip Jesus and try building a relationship with God?

[@mrtodd3620]

Bill Gothard's programs were not church programs, they were parachurch programs. Much of what he said would have worked well if it had been preached by a pastor to his flock. But instead, it was outsourced to Bill Gothard, while the pastor was busy working on his missions program or whatnot. Seldom is the pastor who wants to know his people.

[@KB-tg7pf]

I had to gradually redefine my relationship with God, knowing that who I thought He was my whole life, was just a made up narrative of a controlling old man.

[@R14iify]

Kaytie Buckhalt I can relate :)

[@Lion_Hamza]

bud ekins What is a personal relationship with Jesus? Personal means you know someone personally. Today we have no idea what Jesus pbuh really was all about. Somehow funny to hear you people talk about a personal relationship. Lol

[@thelastpersonalive]

Just watched shiny happy people and I was looking for more info on IBLP and damn someone needs to do something about them.

[@juniperseeds48214]

I'm watching 2019, anyone have an update to this documentary? 🤔

[@donnacaulfield9229]

It just popped up on my feed. June 2019

[@plantzommy]

His case got dismissed bc the stature of limitations passed 😔

[@KimF1]

@@plantzommy - Check out the attorney Irwin Zalkin. He is doing amazing things for Jehovah's Witness victims in the state of New York, where they did away with that statute for a year or so...

[@pinkiesue849]

@@plantzommy figures

[@jasmineflootman9574]

@@plantzommy how awful :(

[@rethinkingjesus]

I went to his IBYC every year for many years during the 1980s and bought his message hook, line, and sinker. I am glad the truth finally came out about this Charlatan.

[@tatianapanferova]

Never trust guy with "GOTHARD" for last name, smh 😂😂😂☠

[@AnitaMartini7]

I live right down the street from there and I never knew the cult that the duggers are in's headquarters was in my area. I've driven by that building thousands of times clueless. That's so weird! It really is the cult next door.

[@staceykersting705]

Any sense u may have of God, Buddha, etc. should lift u up...deify u, even....shine a light on that in-dwelling spirit that u are. A religion that beats u down with fear, rules and feelings of unworthiness is just a cult. U are already perfect, whole and complete.

[@ausrm001]

Stacey Kerstin Bless🌸

[@staceykersting705]

@@ausrm001 You, too!

[@nolanshepherd7380]

I was forced to be in this program in big sandy or 5 years of my teenager years. Me and my sister joked about this being a cult a couple years later but after watching this we both realized that no shit we where really in a cult...

[@joehayward1645]

I can't speak for everyone but I wanted to just give another side. I was also part of this growing up and had a wonderful childhood! I have great memories from the ALERT program and still have friends from those days. I can't say I agreed with everything but that would be true of just about any organization. I have tried to follow the Bill Gothard lawsuit and I know as of 2018 it was dropped from court. I think this short film would have been much more helpful if they didn't just focus on the negative.

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

Bill Gothard is a pervert and he is sick and twisted.

[@joehayward1645]

@@LaraCroftEyes1 I don't know him personally so I cannot say one way or another. Can you point to some teaching in this video that you think is perverted, sick or twisted? I don't remember any pressure to stay in ATI. My family did it off and on. Just saying I don't think it qualifies as a "cult" and they really did produce some great material for families. I'm sorry your experience was so negative.

[@Biscuit553598]

I work as a plumber and I do most of my work In this town. Never knew about this till by buddy Just told me today and I lived a few towns over for years.

[@floraposteschild4184]

"He wasn't the type of person you would be suspicious of on first viewing...." Oh honey.

[@laceyk8631]

IBLP and Mr. Gothard helped changed mine and my parents life’s immensely. I was allowed to ask questions endlessly, dress how I wanted (though encouraged to be modest), visit my family, free to go in and out of the headquarters and learned a lot from this organization. Without his ministry, I would still possibly be a Catholic and someone without a personal relationship with Jesus.

[@kayheisler2600]

Thank you! Mine was a very positive experience as well!!❤

[@frisbee351]

Thank you, ive been looking through the comments and yours is the first positive comment, most denominations have their problems. Look at all the good his ministry did!

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

The case against Bill Gothard by 10 women or more was dismissed as of April 21, 2018.

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

Yeah I know because the statute of limitation ran out

[@inkyguy]

Too many states have statutes of limitation that are far too brief for abuse allegations, especially sexual abuse against children, to be made and litigated.

[@valeriemoran842]

Interesting. My best guess is some kind of a private monetary settlement with a gag order, thus all agreed to the dismissal.

[@davidbrown552]

Religion is insane. Every time. Every religion.

[@patriciar3780]

6:35 " They were avoiding a lot of the problems that they saw.." Heaven forbid any of these people should try to help solve these problems.

[@sandyscott195]

I never understood how he would teach on marriage or having kids & never had any of his own.

[@SteveHylton1969]

When I finally realized there was no God, it was the happiest and saddest day off my life.

[@Phoenix-bm6sr]

I was born into and grew up in the Adventist cult. I say cult because it left me with the same scars as these people in the movie. I'm free now.

[@willmorgan3088]

The account on the pamphlet at 12:06 is sick. It's the baby sisters' fault that the brother abused them? Who wrote this - Josh Duggar? Little kids running around naked in the house after their bath is normal. Being tempted to abuse them because of it is not and you can't blame them or their parents for it. You're the sicko. THAT's just one of the MANY things wrong with Gothard's teachings.

[@verabolton]

Why do we need C O N S T A N T background music ? ! It's giving me headache.

[@mranoraks5860]

I think alot of the people needed help already and they thought this was there help

[@staceykersting461]

SO CREEPY! think for yourself, ppl!

[@sigsin1]

When you are brought up like this from the time you were born, this is all you know. The first thing they teach is never question or bad things will happen to you. I was probably the only fifth grader popping Rolaids.

[@cannabliss9967]

the background music is so distracting

[@Mtktnstrends]

The largest cult of all times is right now in Kenya. Please someone come and help us.

[@cleofewhite5551]

I don't understand why a lot of people are fooled and victimized by this evil guy? Why is he not in jail? Sometimes we have to know what is real and authentic to know what is fake and unreal. There are early signs for reasons to run away...

[@myghostspeaks154]

I LOVE YOU ALL! SO SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER! I love that it is being exposed. Well done video.

[@invisiblehandproductions4493]

Never trust someone who won't open their eyes all the way.

[@katiecousineau2412]

I was homeschooled with another curriculum but I was startled to see how some of the things I was taught while attending a private Christian college (the umbrella of protection, anything better than Hell is better than you deserve and I believe others) seem to have originated from ATI. It makes sense when you think of the thousands and thousands of Christian students that sat under his teachings.

[@mathmotivation]

The sad result is some that come out of this system of hyper-legalism then go the other direction, rejecting all biblical standards, attacking any Christians that adhere to biblical standards, and instead embrace the godlessness of the current culture. There is a happy medium for Christians. Some public charter schools will allow for curriculum choice while still providing opportunities for more open socialization. And for those that can afford, Christian schools are also an alternative. The sad reality is that many public schools are not a good choice.

[@thecultchronicles]

I think you’re speaking of a very small group of individuals who swing that far a viciously. Most of us who have left this control and conditioning are interested in healing ourselves from the pain we suffered. Most don’t really worry about religion as they once did because it is the source of the abuse and pain. We don’t shout “all christians are bad”. What I can say is I plead that all christians do no harm to others and listen to abuse victims who speak up. THAT should be the bigger concern.

[@nadiaasainova680]

What I can’t understand why this guy was never in jail that’s what really is scary! we talk about prince Aandrew being a perv to one girl and this guy was doing it for years to so many girls !!! Makes me so sick 🤢

[@katiepayne2479]

The sound quality dropped so quickly, after the first few minutes I can't hear or understand anyone even though I have the volume all the way up.