2 Fancy 2 Furious Wine | The Chill Zone Reacts

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[@Dololondondon]

"I solved it! The wine haven't done fermenting because of the winter! Thats whats causing the bubbles." "Should we wait more then?" "No"

[@RaptorNX01]

I was thinking the same thing. lol

[@alexfielding7191]

I don't know enough about wine making but the fact that they didn't do that despite it being the most obvious solution might be because it may not have been cost effective or the time scale you would have to leave it to ferment in the container would drastically effect the quality as it's not pressurised or sealed, unlike the wine bottles. That's my best guess at least.

[@Cri_Jackal]

That would mean waiting all the way through winter, with the wine still stored in barrels, until the spring and summer heat come back in just so the last few weeks or months of fermentation can set in. You're essentially asking brewers to double if not triple the amount of time they spend on a single batch of wine, forcing them to come up with cascading harvesting and brewing patterns so that there's always a supply of fresh wine for the winter months. This was simply too much to ask of 17th century brewers, especially since all this extra effort and planning would inevitably make _imported wine cheaper._ IE, _the British._

[@mckidney1]

You cannot just wait, storage outside of air sealed containers is limited to months. You would be wasting time and money and it would not solve the problem of attrition that losing glass bottles has.

[@TheBigMkuma]

Pygmalion is a reference to a play named after the myth that is basically about two rich dude betting that one can’t make a peasant woman look and act like a member of high society by the time of a party in a couple of weeks if you want a very comedic example the three stooges did a version of it back in the day called “hoi polloi”

[@Avengedtenfold]

Better known to most as "My Fair Lady", the Broadway musical adapted from the play.

[@RaptorNX01]

i was thinking Pretty Woman, tbh.

[@kokaomf]

You know what? This video made me appreciate more my homemade moonshine in my cup of thick glass that once was used to store tomato sauce.

[@juliangingivere]

As well you should. Can you spare a cup though? My lawnmower has run out of fuel.

[@phoebeaurum7113]

1:20 I assume you chose that clip because it's funny but it's not as factually correct as you were led on. Hbomberguy can be very dishonest when he's feels like you deserve it which isn't how a respectable person carries themselves.

[@southanime]

4:54 here, if you don't care about thet hbomberguy video

[@AidanS99]

Thanks. I’ve heard more than enough about that hit piece.

[@cnxlee_69420]

Thanks

[@mrpalmer6443]

thank you. i don't care for random drama/ drama insert's.

[@Bathtub_Toaster]

I won't say that IH did nothing wrong, but this controversy has been blown incredibly wildly out of proportion. It would seem that IH came to some sort of agreement with Brain Floss or at the very least that Brain Floss no longer considers the video to be infringing (not that I think it ever did, IH did more than enough to make it legally distinct under US law at least even on the first upload). The issue has been settled now for a month (six if you count the time when the video was up but unlisted). Most of the people demanding a public statement or apology don't want it for the creator of the article, they want it for themselves.

[@WokioWolfy]

Honest. I do agree, to me, seeing the Hbomb video was like being punched in the gut by what IH, a youtuber who I watch whenever something new of his pops up, and it did felt like I was played like a damn fiddle by him. I'm sure a lot of people who saw IH in that vid felt the same way as me if not worse, especially with how Hbomb's videos are really good at pushing your feelings to go that way with how he talks loudly or uses sarcastic joking to keep his point going. Though I believe that everyone should stop theorycrafting and saying "IH credited the dude!" Or "IH plagiarized everything!" And just wait for any answer to come out of his mouth, especially when it came to Hbomb talking about people going through and posting his even older videos or who he follows on Twitter. It's insane how everyone runs with this mentality of taking someone down for doing one simple mistake.

[@jakeevans6404]

IH never contacted the author but for some reason a whole load of people kept saying its been settled, probably as an assumption of the video going back up. The plagiarism wasn't great but what's worse is how shady he's been behaving in trying to cover it up. Total lack of integrity.

[@rearlafull2870]

at this point i'd rather he didn't do anything at all, that HBomber guy seems nasty as hell, he basically insinuated IH was a nazi, lmao, brush it under the rug and move on, a lot of nasty people are smelling blood in the water

[@stanleyc2978]

But did he? Because I recently read the author came out stating he wasn't contacted... I know watching your idols fall is hard. But the weirdness with IH is becoming more obvious after the weird antisemitic dog whistle stuff and now his fans trying to hire people to manufacture controversy for HB...

[@mateusbazilio205]

He did nothing wrong, zilch, the matter was handled in private before Harris decided to pick a fight over it.

[@spicethief4826]

I couldn't care less about the IH drama about the plagiarism, mostly because the guy critisizing it is chill with hasan. Fucking hypocrisy of that dude is too big so if anything it makes me like IH more, even though I do think he should have been more open about it.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

dude might have had a point but then tries to paint IH as altright with super weak evidence like showing a deleted video of his called "habo rape" and implying it was something really bad, but it's not, or saying that a video of his is just tucker carlson clips when ih was telling the story of the guy that was bein interviewed by tucker

[@ngultrum1]

​@@mrminecraftcubeable Don't forget the Dashcon seethe either.

[@ngultrum1]

He's not just chill with Hasan, he's friends with him. He made less than a fleeting remark to him compared to 20 mins of derailed seething about IH. He also had to ask him permission to use the chair meme made to mock him by every else.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

@@mrminecraftcubeable So HBG has this thing we call "Trolls Remorse". Because he used to hang out with Mister Metokur and wasnt outraged or anything. And the thing about Trolls Remorse, is you get really pissed off when you see other people not becoming like you are now, and you start to accuse them of being the worst kind of people. And its not a KZbin exclusive thing. Remember when Jimmy Kimmel did blackface? He's not great now

[@1wayroad935]

The smartest thing Internet Historian can do is to not address the controversy. It's like what SunnyV2 does whenever someone raises a stink for what he does. If you keep quiet, then people will just forget about everything after a while. If you say something, then that will be up on the internet forever.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

IH is no gullible genz, he's savvy enough to know one must not feed the trolls

[@momo_kaizer5880]

"Trolls" bro he did a crime

[@Agent_Cobalt]

So yes he shouldnt feed the trolls. He shouldnt even mention HBG, but I think he does need to show some receipts regarding his creative process. Or at least start as he goes forward. Something people dont realize is how different Man in a Cave was compared to the rest of the videos on his channel. Will he make that kind of content again? Maybe not

[@SeanHiruki]

@@momo_kaizer5880ah yes the crime of forgetting to cite a source for a video about an historical event

[@momo_kaizer5880]

@@SeanHiruki its a crime when it the only source and the literal script not just a source.

[@riccardocastiglioni1611]

2 fun facts from Italy about wine: - If you are in Italy near Chieti (A province in Abruzzo) stop by Ortona: there is a fountain from which spills free red wine all year round (I went there once, the wine was actually really good); there are other wine fountains in Italy, but they are only available during certain events. - There is a legend of a ghost living in the cellars of the Castle of Montevecchio, in Tuscany; he was the owner of the castle, a passionate winemaker, and supposedly he inspects the quality of the wine in the cellars and the vineyards of the area.

[@Jamhael1]

First: the wine fountain is an idea of an unrepentent drunkard AND I LOVE IT! Second: I heard about the expression of "loving your work to death", but jesus, the guy still works AFTER death? The guy never heard of retirement? Also, what he do if the wine is bad? Rattle the plates? Slam the doors? Go full Exorcist on the younger daughter of the owner?

[@itskyansaro]

Sounds like I need to move to Ortona

[@LuxLoser]

I just want say 1) This is a great reaction with a ton of insightful comments, and 2) the Reupload of Man in Cave does include a citation to the original article in the description, and much of the Voiceover was altered (possibly based on advisory from Mental Floss' lawyers). This, paired with Internet Historian's far more careful citations in subsequent videos (including those legal disclaimers) makes me feel that while he hasn't made a public admission of guilt, the lesson was clearly learned, and I personally have no issue watching his future videos as a result. To me, someone actually changing and learning from the mistake is more important than them taking their virtual lashings on social media. I would still like an official response, but I also understand just letting things blow over with the current tensions online.

[@98765zach]

See I’m a simple fella, I’m a Texan, and I’m an electrician. I wouldn’t be invited to any snob parties and I probably wouldn’t go to one, but free wine’s free wine and if they had shit to say I would remind them that I know where all the best wires to cut are and how hard it is to find pinhole punctures in their very nice car tires.

[@Jamhael1]

Hear, hear!

[@siniorgolazo]

A good (not an expensive, but a good, tasty one) wine and a charcuterie board should be enjoyed by everyone regardless of if you're a Fortune 500 CEO or a Texan electrician. It doesn't matter. The best wine and food that I ever had was with friends and laughs, not at some snobby event 😆

[@ironnordegraf]

It is kind of weird how HBG brought up the whole cave video issue months after it happened and was settled. I also found it weird how hard he tried to paint IH as negatively as possible at every opportunity. Really, all IH had to do was cite the article and there would never have been a problem. That was his only mistake made. Compared to the rest of KZbin it's pretty unimpressive drama.

[@Bathtub_Toaster]

Not to mention bringing up random tweets from five people and trying to besmirch his entire fanbase. Weird, huh?

[@WokioWolfy]

I have no idea why Hbomb would use IH's Man in Cave video other than to keep his point going about plagiarism on KZbin, but why IH and not some other youtuber who is big and loved who did the same thing? No idea, the only justification I can give is Hbomb doesn't like IH's videos because of his DashCon video, but other than that, nothing.

[@Aggerr]

Not to mention kinda weird he posted it literally a minute after the new internet historian vid, constantly making very vain personal dislike of IH clear throughout his entire video, never said anything about them likely having already figured it out in private, acting like internet historian was still hiding it even when it was literally in the description of his video at this point, and worst of all calling his fanbase pedophiles on twitter for some fucking reason then instantly deleting the tweet. H bomber is a vindictive asshole, always has been, always will be.

[@haku8135]

What is the actual accusation? Nobody ever fucking specifies when they blabber about controversy, they keep it as vague as possible. I watched both versions of that video several times and NOTHING was plagiarized. Everything that's in the video is either 100% original content (Well, technically as original as you can get when you're talking about, history.) or falls under fair use. There are also citations throughout the ENTIRE video, both the original and the re-upload, they're put on screen at the bottom when they come up.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

Either HBG has had an axe to grind against IH for other reasons Or he's been cooking this topic too long It could be both, but considering how much of the video focuses on Somerton, and how Illuminaughty is already super dead and buried at this point, it really does feel like the video should have just been about Somerton. Lets not pretend like HBG didnt know people would react this way to the beloved Internet Historian.

[@RaptorNX01]

as far as the plagiarism thing. I think its being made out to be a bigger deal then it really is (in regard to IH). it literally just feels like, if i were read about an event, and i was telling a friend about it later, the transcript of that retelling would probably look like what IH put out. he just read some interesting thing and wanted to share it. I doubt there was malicious intent.

[@fefino1411]

According to KZbin's own terms of service, IH's videos are transformative enough to not be considered plagiarism. I see no reason for hbomberguy to bring this up now, seven months after IH and the article had a settlement. Many of the points he brings up are irrelevant or straight up slander. There is no reason to include IH in this video besides personal bias. Hbomberguy has made it quite clear before that he does not like IH. This was a hit-piece.

[@YawnK]

I like Internet Historian a lot, so this was truly gut punching, but how are hbomberguy's points irrelevant? Or even slander? You cannot just take someone's work and claim it as your own, the original author deserves credit for their hard work. Not only did the original author have to spend time researching, they also developed their own structure with hour segments. A structure IH also stole. Internet Historian can't just swoop in and use all the author's content and pass it off as their own just because they animated it.

[@mistrants2745]

He was completely right to bring it up because almost nobody knew it. IH is one of my favourite youtubers and still is. But what he did there was really disappointing and he was way to succesful at making sure nobody picked up the story.

[@Dan-B]

He copied an article word for word…. Most of us wish it wasn’t true, as we love his content, but blatant plagiarism is the unfortunate reality.

[@vicount3944]

@@Dan-B honestly who cares? He settled the problem with the person who actually wrote the article. This drama is forced.

[@mordador2702]

@@mistrants2745 Yeah, but at least with IH we know that he has the ability to be creative, not just derivative. This was a serious mistake by him and he handled it very poorly, but i also dont believe in hating a person over one mistake, even fairly heavy ones. Here is to hoping he learned something out of this.

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

1:24 I still don't trust HBomberguy. His DS2 "defense," and his response to critiques just shows how awful his character is.

[@SuperLlama42]

HBomberguy is a smug little shit who attracts smug little shits and that's all he is and will ever be.

[@Skyte100]

Two problems with him addressing the issue. 1. That won't be good enough to quell the frenzy of Hbombs viewers and Twitter. Even if the author of the article came out and said "no actually we came to an agreement and decided it wasn't plagiarism blah blah" that wouldn't be enough either for some of these people. 2. It will take him 3 months to release a video to address it.

[@Bathtub_Toaster]

In the interest of fairness, there is a screen grab of a supposed email from Lucas Reilly that basically says he was hurt by the video and that IH never contacted him nor Mind Floss about it and that they didn't know about the re-upload. Now, I'm not going to say it's fake, but there just isn't any way to confirm it's validity and there are numerous things I find suspicious about it.

[@Skyte100]

@@Bathtub_Toaster the reupload was also pulled for months.

[@Bathtub_Toaster]

​@@Skyte100That's true. I'm not sure if you read the supposed email or not but like I said, I find it very suspicious. At the moment it can't be proven either real or fake but there are quite a few things I find odd about it.

[@paloim]

@@Bathtub_Toaster it might be worth looking into Lucas, specifically see if he has any ulterior motives for wanting to call out ih. Not saying that he's got one, but if his statement doesn't feel right, then there may be one.

[@ngultrum1]

​@@paloim IIRC, there's a statement somewhere which says the lawyers of the site where the article is from gave more of shit about it than he did.

[@warwicksulista8320]

The fact that hbomber posted a reply calling the prople joking about him literall pdf files just crashed his whole credibility

[@WokioWolfy]

You have any sources for your claim?

[@Mare_Man]

Being a Dark Souls 2 apologist vaporized any credibility he had to start with imo

[@jakeevans6404]

@@WokioWolfy I heard somewhere else he called someone with a loli profile a pedo, guess why that would upset the guy above. Can't be fucked to source it but assume twitter which I wouldn't be able to link to anyway in comments thanks to KZbin's superficial anti-spam detection.

[@Tsuki_Konbu]

@@WokioWolfy He deleted the tweet, so best we can go off is screenshots which can be manipulated. But yeah, tweet said "wow, a hundred lolicon pedophiles are mad at me for some reason, is there some sort of common denominator".

[@southanime]

Ironic, considering he and his friends back at the METOKUR group harassed girls in gaia online with 'jokes' about rape. Edit: also the time he defended TWO known pedophiles

[@Snowflash38]

I'm glad u reacted to this one, it's one my favorites that IH has done for a while

[@wizajn]

I can guarantee IH is gonna take the piss of the Hbomber guy in the next video for digging up a resoleved issue. The thing with trying to attack great comedians is that its a fair game now to fling shit back, and comedians are chimp levels of shit throwing. Did he blunder? Yes. Did he fix the mistake? also yes. Should his college degree of reddit be revoked coz he plagiarized one video? Come on dude thats a death sentence, I would not wish that on the Hbomber guy either.

[@ngultrum1]

He already kinda did. The lowest of that hierarchy triangle might have been a reference to him.

[@halaistair7914]

I apologize for my English in advance but I want to say that you are one of the most knowledgeable people I have ever seen. So I don't usually watch your reactions because I like to watch people be surprised or learn something new. But I honestly admire you and want to be like you. So thank you my friend for inspiring me to learn more about the world around me :)

[@joecrazy9896]

HBomb can get bent, IH already fixed it months ago and he still tried to start shit. Also I don't think IH needs to say anything, he spoke with his actions when he re-edited the video.

[@picklefathernurgle2719]

So what exactly happened? I don't know if I'm just dumb, but Jack talking about it here didn't inform me on exactly what this controversy is about at all.

[@W38h34D]

It would also help if he used his words to speak on the subject

[@picklefathernurgle2719]

It would not. Addressing something he's already corrected because one other content creator decided to dredge up old news isn't going to do anything but make people upset at him. Doing so would only "help" the people who refuse to move on with their lives; help them by giving them ammo with which to harass him, that is. @@W38h34D

[@joecrazy9896]

@picklefathernurgle2719 IH forgot to site an article from his Man In Cave video, which formed the skeleton structure of the video. Thus HBomb accused IH of stealing content because of it, despite IH already fixing the problem months ago. People are also kinda mad because HBomb brought up Hasan Piker, but only gave comparatively "little jabs" despite his content stealing being far worse.

[@momo_kaizer5880]

​@@joecrazy9896he didnt "forget" to site the original creator, he tried to hide it from the public when the video was taken down, then after being whipped and changing the the video to the garbage that it is now, he finaly credited the original creator.

[@phoebeaurum7113]

4:10 his community doesn't care. As far as they are concerned, him patching it up with the owner of the article was enough, additionally. Apologies won't be accepted by people like Hbomberguy and his audience so there's no point in doing that.

[@TheGameDomeGuy]

im gonna be honest Hbomberguy at least the part of the internet historian exclusively, the guy made the most massive reaches against him and honestly the only reason hbomber went against him was because he hated the dashcon video since you know IH did the classic sjw jokes and still does is never mean spirited when IH is concerned... but Hbomber is super bad faith most of the time and he just wanted to strike the historian down by putting him in a video with 2 absolutely scummy people... and also james rolfe and yeah Hbomber guy really did poor research with the James rolfe segment of his video

[@TheGameDomeGuy]

@@CartoonHangout it's mostly that hbomberguy accused him of plagiarism when A wasn't him and B James had already addressed those issues while Hbomberguy just treated it as if he got away with it

[@cobra29935]

What I got out of the James Rolfe segment was that at some point he started a family and no longer had any real time to make videos anymore plus he kinda lost passion for making them anyway, he had been making that kind of content for over a decade that point. One of the OG's of that kind of content. Anyway despite this he still needed the income to support his family so he decided fuck it and pulled a George Lucas selling his brand to the highest bidder so that he could still make bank from youtube content and the deal itself to support his family with out having to put in the massive effort of continuing to be the head creative. I don't look at James as a bad guy in this situation, just someone whose been in the game for a real long time who just lost the passion for the work and just wanted get financial security for him and his family. Real "villians" in the cinamassacre situation are the corporate assholes who took a well liked IP, miss handled it, and then bleed it dry like they always do.

[@cobra29935]

@CartoonHangout really? I was just assuming on my part too be fair. So if he really does still got it in him, if he is to be believed then is it just laziness on his part or not having enough time in the day to write his own scripts like he used too?

[@TheGameDomeGuy]

@@cobra29935 cinemassacre is more than just James now, is a shared channel my guy is not lazyness or anything of the sort is multiple people working on their own projects and uploading it to the same channel to keep variety and quality and prevent the ever hungry KZbin algorithm to harm the channel

[@TheGameDomeGuy]

@@cobra29935 also to your main point is something you trust the rather mean spirited well poisoning and Cynical insults Hbomberguy says with his "video essay" voice to make him sound like an authority

[@madlysoldier5143]

HBG drama is funny because how there’re many suspicious factor in his video, then people start to dig up his history. And the narrative just change from “haha oof investigator expose more people” into “some extreme left politic bs try to discredit his rival, or his target for various reasons” In a sense, HBG try to paint target on other (for valid but over dramatize) only to ended up painting target on himself. What’s a shame is the fact now HBG cause ton of US Politic Idiots to start harassment campaigns many people just because they do not bend their knee toward “MUH POLITIC NARRATIVE IS THE MOST CORRECT MORAL”

[@themooreclan1220]

i dont care about the copy right stuff, he's from new zealand, all kiwis have a special pass for illegal things

[@davidsousa4942]

As a Portuguese guy, i feel pretty sad we weren't mentioned in a video about wine :(

[@matheussanthiago9685]

and yet again the lusophones get snobed by history

[@siniorgolazo]

Which is a shame, because your vinho verde is incredible :(

[@gidi3250]

As a South African guy, I feel pretty sad we weren't mentioned in a video about wine :( where like the biggest/only big wine producer nation in Africa.

[@renixmar3373]

why tho

[@Jamhael1]

​@@renixmar3373never heard of Port? Vinho Verde? Begone from my sight, you uncultured scum!

[@W38h34D]

I really like the format of having idle videogame screens in the background!!

[@ChaoticIntention]

Just to put on the drama, which you could ignore if you want, Initially when The Cave was down, IH addressed it being fixed, hence the reupload later and I believe he did provide credit, though people speculated he covered who it was that copyright struck him bc it may cause backlash of people "attacking" the person. Personally, not a fan of HBomberGuy, and from what one of his workers established, this may be "guilt by association" but it seems like he's fine with plagerist, as long as they're not "friends" or big as Hasan, King of leaving his chair to watch alot of people's content unless you wish him to be unalive bc putting a "BRB" screen is so hard. Anyways, the person says the bit with Hasan was meant to be a joke and even had Hasan check on it, plus where IH corrected his mistake it just seems like HBomber is reigniting the mistake as if it was never corrected. Should IH admit to his action? If it was recent and did nothing about it, but it seems like there was an absent in disclosure as well when HBomber made his video, & we dismiss it

[@ChaoticIntention]

And yes, he gave credit like the original cave, but I believe he missed just the one

[@Nikolaj11]

The problem wasn't citation, the problem was that Internet Historian read aloud an article in practically its entirety. Even if it was only by association, say, a seperate writer had come up with it, the Internet Historian is still responsible for what he posts on his channels and presents as original content. Citing where your copy/paste comes from doesn't make it original. I'm fine with giving IH the benefit of the doubt, but I think it's perverse to just dismiss it entirely. Do better, don't ignore.

[@ChaoticIntention]

@@Nikolaj11 want to make sure, when you say "practically", do you mean word for word from the article or that he read enough from the article to not say it wasn't originally his own? Just making sure because he read fanfics entirely and I put that as a similar level of him reading entirely off another person's work, yet I feel people are exaggerating the significance that he should've done better than correcting a mistake done awhile ago. If you ask if I believe he's responsible for what he post, I can agree, but it's weird and grossly insulting of you to virtue signal of me simply saying "he corrected his mistake" as perverse and entirely dismissive when it is true, and your "benefit of a doubt" is just to claim him at fault anyways. It's like people calling you a thief, and me giving you a "benefit of a doubt" is that, whether you did it or not, you should apologize for whatever you stole.

[@Nikolaj11]

​@@ChaoticIntention "Practically" as in parts of the article were used word for word, as opposed as the actual entirety of it.

[@ChaoticIntention]

@@Nikolaj11 smh I appreciate your honesty, same time, this is why I hold more criticism now on people using such words to conflate the problem to a point of antagonization and exaggerate it as an issue till the word holds no meaning. Personally, plagiarizing another's work and claiming as their own or don't provide no credit is something people should know. Reading the work, word for word, and not making any changes, that it might as well have been read by that writer, people should be aware. But if you're telling me "parts of the article were used" that doesn't help your argument, it's nothing more than repeating a chant and someone shaming you for not crediting the person who created the chant, be it would be good to know, but not to a point of this pettiness.

[@gamesseg]

As a French guy from the region around Bordeaux, that video was hilarious XD

[@exudeku]

Pygmalion is the first simp and Galatea is the first Waifu

[@Apt23-v8u]

Damn now thats sad

[@sherkecringemonger9872]

the sheer pain of BOURGOCKNEE u can feel it trough the screen

[@Jaimethepanda]

Monsanto: “Baja Blast infused grapes, you say…?”

[@I_Stole_A_BTR-80]

They'd never do that, that's not nearly environmentally damaging enough

[@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly]

What internet historian did was wrong, but he did get it sorted out with the publisher/writer. But hbomberguy is also one to accuse people of horrible anti-human crimes without any proof at all.

[@stanleyc2978]

When?

[@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly]

​@@stanleyc2978recently, it's in rev's video on the situation. He called someone a pedo simply because they had an anime character as their pfp, and I'm pretty sure it was an adult male character.

[@Adagm]

​@@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kellywhich rev?

[@_Trash_Goblin]

​@@AdagmRev Says Desu. Not a great person himself, but yeah

[@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly]

@@_Trash_Goblin what do you mean by not a great person?

[@BilisiFunfun]

You're a cabbie? Name every street.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

local wine and alcohol in general is the best my grandfathers brew and it's definitely my favorite alcohol unfortunately he had to sell his orchard since he was too old to maintain it so he won't get to make as much alcohol from other fruits like plums(a storm also destroyed our best plum tree) or apricots but this year we had a crazy good harvest season for grapes, helped him with the picking and the squashing and I can't wait to taste that sweet sweet results

[@viktorkudriavtsev830]

5:53 he is referring to the play by Bernard Shaw here, not the original myth. The story is basically about fancy language teacher that for a bet teaches a worker-class woman proper manners and stuff

[@KakhaPrime]

fun fact: first ever wine was created in ancient Georgia(country) around 6000 BCE woop woop Georgia!

[@LikeZoinksGangWay]

I know that you specifically meant the country but the image of a buncha hill billies in a moonshine shack in 6000 BCE is pretty funny.

[@_Trash_Goblin]

Rare Georgian dub

[@KakhaPrime]

@@_Trash_Goblin want to know something even better :)

[@KakhaPrime]

the creator of skibidi toilet is also Georgian

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@@KakhaPrime first they invent wine, then they invent something that seems made under the influence of prison moonshine wine it all comes full circle

[@survivalsamuel]

How do you plagiarize a historical event? Of course info will be the same and one would mistakenly use similar words if you don't pay attention, i feel it was a clear mistake nothing more

[@JollyOldCanuck]

Apparently he plagiarized an article word for word for the original "Man in Cave" video, the accusation was exclusively directed at the "Man in Cave" video and excludes Internet Historian's previous or current work so it probably was a one off instance of laziness, but it still kind of sucks that IH didn't credit the article front and centre in the original video.

[@survivalsamuel]

@@JollyOldCanuck that's my point, man in caves is historical, if your doing all this research, you forget stuff, you think something else is your idea, it not like he stole something someone made like a sifi story, things happen

[@JollyOldCanuck]

@@survivalsamuel The entire original video script for "Man in Cave" was copied word for word from an article. Every description of the actual event was copied word for word from a single article, you can't accidentally copy an entire article word for word, IH made no effort to write the events in his own words or credit the original article until he was caught and forced to re-write the script for the re-upload.

[@lDaNu]

@@survivalsamuel Is not that he took references out of the article, he literally copied, pasted it and changed a few words to try and flight under the radar. His effort was so lazy that he even put a pic of a cave that was unrelated to the one he was supposed to talk about.

[@gunner38ED]

The Freixenet cava being called cava is rather champagne is because Champagne is only the one being produced in the region of Champagne (France). I think it is called a protected EU origin denomination. In Spain, the OD is Cava, with the region around Sant Sadurní being the most importat one of the type of drink. That is why they were adamant on calling it cava, but almost no one cares.

[@abaddon7558]

I back you on that, there is other buble wines in France but they are forbidden to be called Champagne thanks to the AOC "Apellation d'origine Contrôlée" that allow only product name in certain region to be named after specialities from that region (when the Internet Historian shows the Chablis bottle at 9:21 you can read it under its name) so there is no Champagne made outside of Champagne, the others are called "mousseux" (=sparkling wine) as a generic name but they have their own name aswell, just less known than Champagne

[@RATZGobbler]

I heard a couple years ago, because i was working at a Wine retail store, that Veuve Cliquot got caught price fixing their product and we were ordered to steer people away from buying it. Try telling someone during the holidays they can't have the sparkling wine they want. I sure didn't.

[@kregy7509]

I think he was refrencing the play Pygmalion, not the myth. Never saw it, but a friend did, so thats how I know about it. Not cultured for these things sadly.

[@sherkecringemonger9872]

not fancy enough

[@JERB2012]

The issue is already solve. He reedit the man in cave video like seven months ago and credited the article. I have me own issue with the video HBomberguy for dumb points he try to push on IH.

[@Shytle720]

The issue isnt solved, the cost of concordia vid is also plagued with plagiarism mate!

[@thebadger4040]

Even tho IH fucked up. HBomb very clearly had an axe to grind against him and used a lot of scummy points, like saying that IH somehow cultivated an antisemitic audience.

[@stanleyc2978]

@@thebadger4040 imagine defending plagiarism. Turns out that wasn't the only one either. You can enjoy someone's content and realize they aren't exactly paragons of virtue as with IH.

[@JERB2012]

@@Shytle720source?

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@thebadger4040 Breadtubers like HBomb and their audiences have been chomping at the bit to come after Internet Historian on political grounds for years (they don't like some of his jokes). It's not a topic that ever gained much traction before now, because obviously it's ridiculous, but that is basically the reason why this whole IH plagiarism story exploded so disproportionately compared to other plagiarism controversies. In other words what you're seeing isn't an entirely spontaneous reaction, in the sense that the Breadtuber audiences were primed to signal boost the message of IH's wrongdoing the moment the HBomb video dropped. That's just what they do. edit: There are similar attitudes in these "communities" towards Ssethtzeentach, so hopefully he behaves himself better than IH has or he'll be next lol. Also to be clear I'm not saying this to downplay the severity of what IH did. He 100% is guilty of plagiarism with that original Man in Cave video and people are rightfully leery of him as a result. I'm just explaining why the backlash seems so intense and vitriolic.

[@mckidney1]

I do love cooking chocolate, but it had little sugar :) I just like the bitter taste of the ingredient, rather than the coagulated milkshake people waste money on :)

[@DukDaStabbiestOgryn]

beer making has been around sense ancient egypt, they didn't know exactly how it works, all they know is it was possible to make fun juice out of grain

[@vxxiii4160]

Props for using the Mendoza level from Hitman, love that game

[@johnnylight0]

I'm dissapointed the word Vino wasn't used even once

[@alexanderscout]

hey at 10:20ish he's talking about regional wine all being from italy or france not wine itself (the names)

[@SeptembersOblivion]

I like the format of your reaction videos. Pausing and giving your viewpoint or some extra info is very interesting. Thank you for making this kind of content.

[@hermannlagrange803]

South Africa makes some great wine and actually competes with France but...they'd never admit that.

[@ryanlorenzo5003]

I am soo glad IH didn't go through with the knee cog joke but still implied it by his laughing.

[@liarwithagun]

You've summoned the rage on the internet by mentioning the IH plagiarism 'controversy'.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

The rage is going to follow regardless. It hasnt even been two weeks and IH is in the title

[@frostyguy1989]

Shiraz is a wine with its origins in Iran (the drink is literally named after the eponymous city), but Iran no longer produces wine because of the Islamic Revolution. The Ayatollah shut it all down and destroyed a centuries old industry and tradition.

[@axhen]

I live in Europe and seeing the minimal price of the wine bottles in an American menu compared to a French or Spanish one is shocking, either y'alll getting ripped off or those shipping fees are extra high

[@PB-Toho97]

44:52 I think it's Outlast (the first game).

[@turkeykent3719]

Bruh those ppl probably use chatgpt to help them write essays, this “drama” is just another case of twitter latching on to any reason to hate on a successful person. So just ignore them.

[@momo_kaizer5880]

Nah he did a crime and got punished for it. Accept it and move on

[@benito1620]

​@@momo_kaizer5880plagiarism isn't even a crime though?

[@alejandrorivas4585]

​benito1620 Hi, law sxhool student here, youre right that plagiarism isnt a crime, but what IH did was more than plagiarism, it was full on copyright ifringement, and borderling theft of Intellectuql propert, both of which are torts (civil crimes) in the US. Given that the article which was stolen was published in the US, it is subject to US federal law and yes criminal.

[@WolfVidya]

As someone who actually lives in Mendoza, I got caught lacking by that intro. Also we weren't mentioned in a video about wine, so you know it's shit.

[@Chaoticchips]

I’m surprised jack hasn’t reacted to the funny frog man’s return to Finland

[@AnotherCrazyClown]

10:11 that was so bad that it was good, well played

[@entropy-cat]

27:27 then...why don't they just continue to wait until the fermentation IS done?

[@WhatTheHell919]

44:50 that was from Outlast

[@itskyansaro]

A lot of Wine Producers nowadys use Artificial Corks instead of real Cork, because of the Problem that Cork might ruin the Wine. The Artificial Cork has no effect on the Wine and allows it to be stored for longer Times in the Bottle. My Father works for a Subsidiary of the German Bayer Chemical Branch who produce the raw material for for example Artificial Corks.

[@siniorgolazo]

15:00 if it was red and made out of tempranillo grapes, then it was probably a Ribera del Duero. If it was garnacha grape or a mix of garnacha and tempranillo, then a Rioja. If it was white wine then it was either Albariño or Verdejo. It if was a "generoso" (or brandy-like), probably a Jeréz/Sherry. For us Spaniards our go-to wine is tipically Rioja but it depends on availability and how close we are to the production area 😁

[@Kryxar]

Finally after 10 years I got my mater "Master in what" Wine!

[@iron_side5674]

This whole situation is weird to me i can see why it´s bad, but i guess there is not that much coherent work on the entire thing and going through articles like a private investigator is probably not very cost effective if you´re making videos like that. The only other video that talked about "Man in Hole" on youtube was some autistic guy (not an insult, that´s kind of how he introduced himself) that kept calling pretty much everything in that video wrong and kept citing one singular Novel on it, written by one guy, not an article. I guess since he took it down and reuploaded, there was SOMETHING wrong with it, but i honestly can´t be bothered with youtubes community pages or, emperor forbid, going on twitter. So i guess someone had a point there. But here is the problem i have with it. I didn´t know this happened, i didn´t know it was that big of a deal back in the day, and if IH's video hadn´t existed, that wouldn´t have changed. So i kinda wonder about, what is the point of that article existing if the only way you ever get to know about this interesting historical tidbit, is by sheer coincidence. And that is why i am not actually mad at IH, i kinda see this as a bystander, i have no coin in this game. Taht stuff is appearently pretty obscure (google trends tells me "Floyd Collins" has been searched by 100 people at best anytime in the last 19 years) and unearthed it, pun intended. I can´t help but have mixed feelings, sure it would´ve been better if he´d asked the author. But it´s not like anyone, on the internet at least, was interested in this topic in the last 20 years, so i don´t think there was really much harm done, even tho it is still wrong to do and i´d prefer people not doing it. But there´s of course those on the net that deem this antisemitism, and even if someone would try to explain it to me, i would still not get it.

[@aoihitori]

So kinda stpid that things that we enjoyed eventually became a drama.

[@ThrashRats]

And kinda funny how quickly it all dissipates after a day or so.

[@tezeswargupta7060]

Dude ur 100k sub is so close ❤❤

[@Agent_Cobalt]

Anyone who enjoys making fun of wine snobbery should watch the documentary Sour Grapes. Really good

[@Poke-ladd]

guessing as the centuries passed knowledge was lost or mistranslated involving the process of wine or the ancient Greeks and Vikings didn’t have issues with fermentation due to the climate

[@AmazingAutist]

25:07 I think it was even earlier, with the Armenians and the Chinese

[@albertagungbillisupangkat6584]

12:48 TAXI MAAAAAAAAAN!!

[@Ront1313]

...what was that part about the name of mah country?(greetings from Chile!?)

[@TheChillzoneX]

If you are African american one vernacular of the word child is Chile. At times pronounced the way I did in the video. Which is why I called it an unnecessary joke

[@jabbawookeez01]

uncorked is 5 years and the bottled unopened is 1 year. if opened either one.. then itll go bad

[@ziggelito]

Beer has been around since atleast the sumerian times

[@thefan199]

I feel like i've become colorblind

[@spiderraccoon7869]

I love your reactions, you’re knowledge on different things is always nice to hear :3 Also, I really appreciate your view on the plagiarism issue. He should address it for sure. But I also don’t think people are gonna hate him too much for it. In my personal opinion, at the end of the day, it’s a KZbin video, no one’s going to take it as a serious source anyway. It’s like a Wikipedia article, it gets you interested in the subject, but you still have to look it up after. I’m not denying he plagiarized, and I do think he needs to address it, but people act like he’s supposed to be taken as a serious source when, in my opinion anyway, he isn’t.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

Theres also a lot of fake news flying around about this situation. People are taking an email from the article author out of context, where he supposedly said IH never contacted him after IH said he spoke to "them" after the copyright strike. But the author left the company years ago and admits in the same email he knows he spoke to the Mental Floss lawyers

[@JoshuaJapitan]

Why was your video more sepia-looking than other react videos on this? The greens are becoming brown-ish or yellowish or something, or something like KZbin HDR making everything off-white on android phones?

[@bumbatumba1251]

Hey, nice shirt!

[@YohanRoth]

I like your videos

[@franklouis612]

Is plagiarism really important right now when there are people doing way worse right now and are actually hurting others, seems like people just trying to make mountains out of mile hills

[@drockwell1583]

Well you know people gotta find something dumb to fight about on the internet just because.

[@kingvinoda3896]

I unsubscribed because you think Hbomberguy is a good content creator.

[@kuro_emiya]

true i thought this dude liked doing research, but he blindly ignores everything wrong with that clown.

[@KakhaPrime]

pog

[@PandamoniumBruu]

Friendly reminder that the owner of the article that IH used for the Man in Cave video didn't even know about the video and all that jazz. (at least before HBG video)

[@jakeevans6404]

Minor correction. He did find out about it when it got taken down but not of it being sneakily re-uploaded and was never contacted by IH

[@PandamoniumBruu]

@@jakeevans6404 oops... yeah, you are correct... my mistake

[@red14carbluebattleship76]

Ehh, are we sure that’s him, because that letter seems kind of suspicious. Wouldn’t the video be taken down by now if that letter is true?

[@momo_kaizer5880]

​@@red14carbluebattleship76IH changed up the video so its not as obviouslly lifted from the article, its worse but atleast its a little less obvious

[@red14carbluebattleship76]

@@momo_kaizer5880 How much is too much? Do you have a number? A quantifiable amount to judge from. I have read the article, and there are noticeable differences between the two. How much is plagiarized I can’t say, but the people saying the entire thing is plagiarized are lying.

[@reeeraptor8]

27 seconds ago?!

[@luisalmanza119]

I'd love to hear your take on the Hbomber video and overall situation, since I find myself really respecting your opinion. I am for the most part glad about the video's existence, but I really want to hear what you have to say since obviously hearing more nuanced and diverse takes is best for everyone.

[@Angrenost02]

I do agree that even if he sorted it out with the original creator of the story, the IH should have informed his community about what had happened. And he should have credited the original creator explicitely in his video. I also agree that IH's video is transformative but those are two separate issues. As far as I am concerned, that is strike one for IH. I am willing to forgive, but I may be less willing if there is a next time. He adressing the situation publicly would also help.

[@paloim]

Have to disagree on him needing to inform his viewers. IH isn't their parent, he owes no apologies but to the author of the article

[@Angrenost02]

@@paloim Yes he does. Not informing your audience of that matter means that your audience will assume you did all the work by yourself. Not informing them is a lie by omission. You are lying to your audience, be it consciously or not, and that's not okay.

[@momo_kaizer5880]

​@@paloimthis isnt something that you have to defend buddy.

[@Mask3dShadow]

I do hope he addresses it with all his ducks in a row and then moves on because apologizing can get you stun locked by the internet.

[@meepotato8522]

indeed. I was just waiting what he's gonna do to defuse the situation

[@mistrants2745]

People attacking Hbomb really need to get a grip. I LOVE Internet Historian. Might be my favourite youtuber and still is. But what he did was really shitty and it was ridiculous that that story never gained any traction. Hbomb very much acknowledged that, far as he can tell, IH didnt do it for his other videos. But his points were very valid. Come on, you can still like IH, ánd acknowledge he messed up.

[@kerbe3]

It makes me wish IH had been upfront about the man in cave video from the beginning. If he asked the original author for permission to translate the article into a video, it may still be up. The replacement video is garbage compared to the first one.

[@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly]

IH was disappointing but hbomberguy is actually a fucked person in general, the more I learn about him the more I hate him.

[@RTRC_2012]

It makes sense that on the “Chill” Zone channel, I find some of the only normal takes about this. Once enough defenders and haters alike decided to make it a political issue, the entire discourse was ruined.

[@kerbe3]

@@RTRC_2012 Hear hear.

[@kuro_emiya]

it's because of how trash bombers video is, dude constantly lies and makes massive reaches for any argument and has a massive ego.

[@Karanthaneos]

Argentina mentioned in the first minute of the video, let's goo! The controversies had certainly made it more difficult for me to enjoy his work. I just wish he had openly talked about it instead of sneaking around and trying to hide the fact. We'll have to wait and see how the situation evolves.

[@hetsuyotester4101]

first

[@DrRESHES]

Inhernet Historian got what he deserved. Just because the article comes from other place than youtube by a guy nobody cares about doesn't mean it's ok to steal his hard work. get real people, if it were you, you would also flip a shit over it. but it isn't you, and you do love your content creator and you can't give a rat's ass about other people, doesn't dismiss IH actions. if you want to defend him, do so, but don't give me or anyone else a bullshit excuses for IH scummy behaviour.

[@RTRC_2012]

I find it shocking how a few people aren’t taking the obvious middle ground: “Oh shucks, I can’t believe he did that. Well, let’s just hope he makes an active effort against it happening again.”

[@_Trash_Goblin]

​@@RTRC_2012Why should I turn away from a content creator I enjoy just because of one instance of dumb behaviour? Shockingly enough, most people won't care the way Hbomb's fanbase seems to care and they are under no obligation to.

[@RTRC_2012]

@@_Trash_Goblin There was a typo, I meant to say *aren’t I’m at least waiting to see what happens next before I decide to stick around or jump ship. I know there’s plenty of great vids he couldn’t have plagiarized, so I want to hope for the best and see him lean into that more.

[@_Trash_Goblin]

@@RTRC_2012 Aaah then yes. I'm waiting to see how he himself handles the situation, if at all. There's a good chance I'll likely keep watching. Cost of Concordia (apparently) also got yoinked from a 2012 vanity fair article, is my only concern.

[@picklefathernurgle2719]

So he took an article, a written article, and translated it into a video format where he put in tons of work editing and adding in little jokes here and there, utilizing voice acting from his content creator friends and people are saying what he did was somehow abject plagiarism? Its lazy, and in poor taste, but this is nowhere near that one guy who copied the Dead Cells review. People are really letting that negativity bias take hold of 'em, aren't they?

[@casualdead]

You probably should have just made a separate video about the subject instead of as you put it “souring our grapes” but I guess you are painfully aware that no one would watch it. Don’t kidnap a video to let people know your personal opinion on matters outside of the specific video itself, no one cares, to be blunt.

[@misterduch7904]

IH fans malding that he got exposed for stealing content and trying to hide it are everywhere it seems HBomber slaps hard as of late, his mother should be proud of him

[@Enyoiyourself]

Dear god, don't suck that guy so hard

[@misterduch7904]

@@Enyoiyourself okay Tommy, I am sure your mom is very proud of you aswell

[@Mare_Man]

Dark Souls 2 apologists don't have valid opinions, sorry.

[@KoeddkHD]

I don't give a shit about this drama. I don't give a shit about HBomber. Sounds like IH already settled it and I still don't give a shit.

[@ngultrum1]

>malding Bruh have you seen HBG himself. The entire Dashcon thing made him literally mald.

[@jakeevans6404]

Looot of people who don't understand what plagiarism is and how it's bad. But thats not even the worst thing about this whole ideal, it was how shady IH was behaving in trying to cover it up. It's is a real inditement against his character and I otherwise wouldn't care nearly as much for a one time mistake. But yes, even if barely anyone would have read this in the first place is a superficial way of looking at this entire issue and ignores what happens in the long term when we are fine with a select few who can just step over everyone else's work and become successful on the backs of it. I have no issues continuing to watch his videos but I am definitely less enthusiastic and more wary of what he would do in future. It's not like finding out he did something terrible but more or less him being a bit of a dickhead.

[@DandyDan03]

hope this video of his wasn't stolen

[@TheDinohunter2000]

I cant believe that everyone is defending IH here. He fucked up, thats it. He could've said something about the article publicly, but he didnt. He could've credited it on his first video, but he didn't. The fact that he tried to fucking hide it and never mention it is damning! And the sad part is if he just collaborated with the original author or at least said that the video was a dramatic reading of the article, none of this would've been a fucking problem. Why didn't he do that, huh? Im not gonna stop watching his videos but I'm still disappointed in him.

[@kuro_emiya]

people are defending him because of how shit bombers video was and the massive reaches he did.

[@TheDinohunter2000]

@@kuro_emiya Oh yeah, what reaches?

[@paloim]

@@TheDinohunter2000 he reaches that IH is alt right, pretty simple dude Also, why dose he need to publicly address it if it's already addressed privately? It's such a parasocial thing to think that he'd need to make this public.

[@TheDinohunter2000]

@@paloim The politics doesn't change the plagiarism. He needs to address because a lot, and I mean A LOT, of people thought that it was his writing and praised him for it. It would've been so easy to just say he was doing a reading but he didn't. He's stealing credit, plain and simple. The fact that he's obfuscating what happened makes it look even worse.

[@paloim]

@@TheDinohunter2000 OK, let me give a hypothetical. If someone were to make a dramaticised, animated portrayal of ww2, with a particular ww2 book as their basis for the scripts overall structure, would that count as plagiarism? From everything I know it wouldn't, but it would constitute something else that's still bad but wouldn't count specifically as plagiarism. That's effectively what IH did, still bad, but not plagiarism.