2 Fast SCHINDLER Gearless modded Lifts near Berne, Switzerland

Timestamps:
0:00 intro
0:26 normal ride
3:42 motor room + shaft pit
8:13 car top / lift shaft
These lifts are located in an office building near Berne, Switzerland. They were installed in 1991 upon construction of the building. The building has a very interesting architecture including a lot of glass and open spaces. The lifts are located in a dedicated lift-tower that is connected to the rest of the building via bridges on every upper floor. The motor room is located at the lowest basement -4.
All upper floors contain offices. The basement floors -1 and -2 contain a car park that belongs to the building. Floor -4 contains a large storage area. The doorways on floor -3 are boarded up with sheet metal. What lies on floor -3 is unknown. Floors -4, -3 and 4 are usually locked with a keycard.
Before the modernisation, these lifts had Miconic B controllers with Dynatron S drives. The bigger lift had a W200 winch, the smaller one a W163.
These lifts were modernised by Schindler in 2019, using only generic components. It is a very successful modernisation. The BP408 is a fully CANopen capable controller that communicates with all other components over CAN bus. The ZAdyn drive in combination with the BP408 levels fully intelligent.
Interestingly, both lifts have motors from different manufacturers. Both motors are gearless, which enables almost completely silent operation.
The lifts running in a combined shaft offers a great view of the cars going up and down. Also the shaft has been covered in wood wool boards for extra acoustic insulation.
Many thanks go to ‪@TecStuffLifts‬ for the assistance in the making of this video! Else this footage would not have been possible.
Manufacturer: Schindler, 1991
Modernised: Schindler, 2019
Capacity right: 13 persons / 1000 kg
Capacity left: 8 persons / 630 kg
Type: Traction, 1:1 roping
Floors: 10: -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1-5
Fixtures: Schaefer RT42
Speed: 1.6m/s
Travel height: 32.2m
Logic: Böhnke+Partner BP408
Drive: Ziehl-Abegg ZAdyn 4
Motor right: Ziehl-Abegg ZAtop SM250, 10kW
Motor left: Sassi G400 T3, 7kW
WARNING/DISCLAIMER: DO NOT attempt to copy anything shown in the video without having the proper knowledge of how to do so! LIFT SHAFTS and MACHINE ROOMS are very DANGEROUS places and are NOT MEANT to be accessed by inexperienced or untrained personnel!
Dangers in these environments include but are not limited to crushing, electrocution, falling and burns.

[@ElevatorExploration]

Great video, it's very rare to see Schindler with a ZATop gearless motor while the other elevator has a sassi motor, but overall it works great. It's a very good thing that Schindler repurposed the engine room itself with gearless, which is pretty rare.

[@TheLiftDragon]

Thank you! I really loved fiming this tbh, especially being in the pit and seing the cars move up and down looks great imo. Yes they did an excellent job here. Schindler usually installs ZAtop gearless and not Sassi gearless, which is good. ZAtop just is the much better and more durable motor. I have actually found a few of these gearless installs by now. There is another group of 1000kg lifts that are basically the same in this building (I will not upload these). Also the lifts at the Tscharnergut in Berne, which have now been replaced, have ZAtop motors. I was around Zürich today and I found some Schindler ZAtops there as well, also 1.6m/s but in 2:1 config.

[@robertderechte]

@@TheLiftDragon 9:44 „Mein Gott“?

[@TheLiftDragon]

@@robertderechte Irgendein unidentifizierbares Geräusch.

[@robertderechte]

@@TheLiftDragon ok 😂

[@Biasca1]

Toller Antrieb mit diesen Motoren! Video gefällt mir!

[@TheLiftDragon]

Dankesehr!

[@zagaomaster]

very good

[@TheLiftDragon]

Thx!

[@Swissvator]

Schöne Modernisierung!

[@TheLiftDragon]

So ist es, danke dir.

[@kenan763]

Why there is lots of bottom drive lift in berne ?

[@TheLiftDragon]

Just because it makes more sense in some situations, there are generally lots of bottom drive lifts in Switzerland. It depends on the situation. This building here also has 3 very large freight lifts and they are top drive for example.

[@kenan763]

@@TheLiftDragon whats that situations? İ just wonder :)

[@TheLiftDragon]

@@kenan763 For example this one here obviously. I have included a photo of the lift tower from outside. It is much easier to build the MR into the basement hete, rather than putting it ontop of that tower with only the dimensions of the lift shaft. So this is an example for architectural reasons. That reason actually has become very common in the 80s and 90s, architects would not want extra structures on the roof. Then Berne has lots of historical buildings in the old town. Building a top drive there means sacrificing lift access to the top floor as the motor room can't stick out of the roof for monument protection reasons. So putting it in the basement can solve that problem. It has to be said though that there are many top drive lifts in Berns historical buildings but as I said, the top floor then is only accessible by stairs with a few exceptions. A setup with the motor room next to the top floor can also be found from time to time. I have such a video on my channel, it's a Design S mod on an old lift. Another reason to put the motor into the basement can be to move the motor noise away from the residents. Also acessibility is better, since in case of replacement of bigger parts is easier to haul the heavy equipment into the basement instead of to the top. Many buildings have underground car oarks, making a motor room at the bottom directly accessible without any stairs.

[@kenan763]

@@TheLiftDragon you right. İn turkey, there is a lot of apartment buildings. And all of them has top drive elevators. Also most of them has old 2 speed motor with loud contactor and brakes. So their noises really disturbing for top 2-3 floors especially late at night and early mornings...

[@TheLiftDragon]

@@kenan763 Yes indeed, that makes sense. I have seen that Turkey often has these weird pseudo-MRL lifts where the motor is basically a standard MR machine but it is mounted on metal beams in the shaft head with no floor underneath. Really strange, yet kinda fascinating since this saves lots of space compared to a full-size MR.

[@gewitterstationirgendwo4008]

Die Taster und die Displayanzeige passen so gar nicht zusammen da hätte man eher ein schindler 3000 Linea 100 Panel einbauen können

[@TheLiftDragon]

Die Kombination aus Schindler Display und Schäfer RT42 oder MT42 Knöpfen ist in der Schweiz erstaunlich beliebt, ich kenne sehr viele solche Anlagen. Klar würden die FI-GS Knöpfe hier besser passen, aber mich stört das jetzt nicht. Es gibt sogar 3300 Installationen, welche diese Kombination aus Tastern und Display aufweisen. Im Endeffekt ist das halt Kundenwunsch.

[@brunoais]

I really would have liked to see the unmodernized version of that lift but now it's too late...

[@TheLiftDragon]

Indeed, me too. I am very certain that they had M-Series buttons, which must have looked very nice. As for the motors and controllers, I know what these were originally and I've put it into the description. Luckily, I know other lifts from the 90s, also tall bottom drives, that are still original and they show what these lifts originally were like. They will be uploaded on my channel as well at some point.

[@Swissvator]

Hallo ich war heute in Zürich und filmte 2 originale Gebrüder Meier Aufzüge. Die werden leider bald abgerissen aber du könntest sie ja auch noch filmen. Die Aufzüge befinden sich an der Engelstrass, 4 Zürich (CH) ich habe das Video von denen vorhin hochgeladen. Du kannst es dir ja gerne mal anschauen.

[@TheLiftDragon]

Danke für den Tipp. Ja, da werde ich mal vorbeischauen, wenn mir das zeitlich passt. Anlagen in der Stadt Zürich zu filmen ist für mich meistens etwas schwieriger, da Zürich für die Maschinenräume einen anderen Schlüssel verwendet als den, den ich besitze. Weisst du, wann die Anlagen abgerissen werden?

[@Swissvator]

@@TheLiftDragon Ne leider nicht Hampi Vator hatte mir das gesagt dass die Aufzüge bald abgerissen werden.

[@TheLiftDragon]

@@Swissvator So schnell kann es gehen, Aufnahme ist komplett im Kasten mit Maschinenraum und Schachtfahrt und allem. Sind spezielle Anlagen. Original sind sie aber nicht, denn Gebrüder Meier hat diese Anlagen 1987 modernisiert, nicht gebaut. Der Kern aber, also die Kabinen und die Türen (ausser Etage 5), sind älter. Von wann genau kann ich aber nicht sagen. Der kleine Lift hat eine Schlieren Kabine, beim grossen bin ich nicht sicher. Das Gegengewicht vom grossen sieht aus wie Schindler. Ein komisches Mischmasch im Endeffekt.

[@Swissvator]

@@TheLiftDragon Ok also hast du die Aufzüge gefilmt?

[@TheLiftDragon]

@@Swissvator Ja, habe ich. Aber wird noch lange dauern bis das Video kommt, ich habe noch immens viel anderes Material zum hochladen.

[@fatloadable]

Dyn S drives from China Schindler Elevators ( aka CSE ) with motor and Mic B were of inferior quality. S type car and landing boards were not popular in Hong Kong.

[@TheLiftDragon]

The Dyn S and Mic B installed in Europe were made in Switzerland of course - and of very high quality. There are still many remaining today. S series lift cars were the budget line of Schindler compared to the more posh M series. These lifts here were M series.