2 Points DROPPED Against Liverpool! | INVINCIBLE Derby at PRESTON! | The Fourever Arsenal Podcast

[@reeree9362]

The grown man Jordan wearing a football top 😂

[@meamenoshilongo6803]

😂😂😂😂 yeah cook the highlights merchant

[@Scouse.Gooner]

What's wrong with that like

[@benpe3683]

Nah Jordan was right that top Cecil was wearing, I thought the same’ “what is he doing” only think of TH and Sol Campbell

[@mf289]

@@Scouse.Goonerit’s cos Jordan said previously that grown men shouldn’t wear football tops.

[@frleaks6482]

On a football talk show 😂 ur thick as horse manure

[@Lanch15]

I can’t be the only one who noticed Martinelli being scared of challenging Konate

[@victorsomosu123]

You're 100% right. It's not just even this game, he's been doing it every time we play Liverpool. He literally just gives up as soon as Konate gets close, and then when Konate gets the ball, he literally doesn't fight for it, it's so annoying.

[@gwillz8551]

No it not the only one. That's the reason I wanted martinelli off and Jesus on earlier. Jesus is a warrior who can hold the ball up win free kicks etc which would keep the pressure off our frail defence.

[@AshleyC86]

FACTS 👍🏻

[@skipper6967]

I don't actually blame him for that. Konate is a beast of a player. Awesome defender.

[@SKG4454]

Will go under the radar because it’s Kai Havertz but yesterday’s performance from him was dreadful, nothing stuck up top lost the ball on many occasions. He was weak, top defenders like van dijk and konate are not afraid of him, he’s a clever player but against the big boys and top sides we will need more.

[@No1LukasGrahamFan]

True, His biggest moment was getting the ball kicked straight into his face

[@Ufb10]

@@No1LukasGrahamFan that was on Trossard I believe

[@allisterklein9723]

Absolutely, week in week out every-one is on MARTINELLI's case however Trossard and Havertz have been equally poor. At least Martinelli is defending

[@jonathank6121]

Dreadful performance from Kai when we needed him to step up! Ultimately an attack of Kai and Martinelli will never be clinical enough.

[@jgunner94]

He did well against them last season so it’s not like those kind of defenders always do well against him. Havertz has been performing more often than not, it’s Martinelli who we should look at for me cause more often than not he isn’t performing.

[@gscouser]

Turkish gets so much unnecessary heat for speaking very passionately and coherently on points that are super relevant (IE Transfer Windows & Owners)....... So it was great to hear 'Pam' loves him at least 🤣 (For the record Turkish, big fan of you, James, Lee and Jordan - & shout out to Curtis and the OG pod). Honestly you guys and Curtis provide so much entertainment that feels so genuine & authentic to distract from the hum-drum of daily life - excellent work all. I'm not drunk, just felt some praise is overdue 😅

[@mosesolweny9062]

21:30 Why do all our fans skirt around the fact that Ødegaard is missing? Like Jordan says he doesn’t know why we don’t look right, well duh! our captain and best midfielder isn’t playing 😂

[@jsantana10]

This is what I don’t get, maybe the best number 10 in the league missing but we can’t figure out why we aren’t playing the same lol

[@chorizobear8447]

Maybe they should have bought one in the transfer window to back him up if he got injured?

[@juniorgunner501]

1 singular player shouldn’t change the whole dynamic of how a team plays, City have won leagues without KDB before Haaland even got there. Excuses.

[@mosesolweny9062]

@@chorizobear8447 fully agree, it’s so obvious that Turkish was right about our Transfer window being pathetic. Unless our luck with injuries improves the signing Sterling as our only attacker is gonna cost us

[@mosesolweny9062]

@@juniorgunner501 That’s because city have done a good job in squad building, we haven’t. But for at least 2 months we can’t do anything about that so we either need to push for Nwaneri to start or shut up about the play style since Arteta is trying his best with the personnel available.

[@3rdIOpen]

Liverpool scored, not because we went forward to attack but because Martinelli doesn't know how to protect the ball in attacking areas. It's just head down, try some skill and hope for the best. He had 3 players round him. Try to preserve the ball!

[@sondremini2269]

Jordan is an absolute hypocrite wearing that arsenal shirt after ripping Cecil a new one for wearing a classic on the watch along just days ago... madness

[@jayjarrett55]

Made my lunch hour guys by dropping this one ❤️

[@HarryyHD]

James holding his lip because he got into a scrap with Jordan before the pod 👊🏻

[@adewaleaderoloye1161]

Jordan's criticism of Martinelli is misplaced frankly. Same group of people who think Partey was done last season are the same bunch jumping on martinelli"s back. Martinelli hasn't been at his best in recent times but still gives a lot to that team.

[@allisterklein9723]

100% , Martinelli runs his socks off on defense

[@Corporateconcrete]

​@@allisterklein9723but we had a break with him and he loses it so cheaply then trent plays that pass and 2-2.

[@robhans5]

Recent times is now 1,5 years mate. He was bad last season, this season he is worse.

[@bdubz2402]

Havertz was poor again yesterday and it was another big game he hasn’t scored in but our fans don’t mention that

[@juniorgunner501]

Over hit crosses, poor decision making, no courage in wanting to take Konate on, Can’t shoot on target from outside the box, at fault for the goal and aimlessly runs into players, but at least he ‘works hard’

[@SpongePika]

I’ll never understand how Jordan watches things 😂😂 his perspective is veeeeeeery unique to say the least. We were rubbish for 20 mins of the first half? Craziness

[@bonginkosikhwela3875]

I agree with Turkish, it was so obvious what we needed to do on the transfer window, it's like they want us to win the league the hard way🙆🏾‍♂️

[@Dir.EmmanuelAdeola]

James is very measured in his analysis of the game. He's the youngest in age, but not in mindset.

[@yeremoix]

As much as the referees are terrible, we need to get to the point where we aren’t relying on refs to win. Reality is, we were protecting our lead from HT and if we want to win the title we gotta stop going back into our shell

[@hitechj5057]

Asking the ref to make the correct call in 2 critical situations(pen and game-winning Goal) isn't relying on the ref.

[@EliBrigante]

Took me about 10 scrolls to find a sensible fan salute

[@TheRobotsWillEatYou]

braindead take, so we have to be, better than city, better than the refs, better than multiple injuries, yep, very logical.

[@problem1897]

Spot on we have to play to our strength

[@piusokwu3560]

If this was against a small team, then I will be inclined to agree with you. But small margins are very important when playing big teams like City and Liverpool.

[@adebiyiajayi5629]

There's always a lack of context with criticisms sometimes, fabregas said we relied on him, fair, but we are not relying on nwaneri the same way we did with fabregas or wilshere, we relied on saka and esr, Nwaneri is coming to do a job, not lead the team, thats what fabregas and wilshere did, they led, we can't have that and we don't have that. This going back to criticize the transfer window is lazy, it was a decent window, what we have is a crazy amount of injuries and a manager who doesn't want to depend on a 17year old because of reasons best known to him.

[@OggiTr0n]

Arteta has the same fear Lee has regarding Havertz it seems. That's the only explanation for leaving that scarecrow on for the full game...

[@masooddavids8367]

I listened to arteta comments after bournemouth , saw arteta reaction after gabby miss, and my conclusion is arteta is fed up with him and we will do something in the summer to address it sad but the reality

[@Henryy0314]

Turkish oh my days, take the context sometimes man. Gabriel out is such a big loss. The defending and attacking approach completely changes

[@gatapoi101]

Jordan’s waffle start at 20:45 Only bit of quality was Ben White’s cross? Partey was tidy, both Declan Rice’s deliveries for the free kick. Havertz scapegoat? When exactly did he have an opportunity to score or finish except for the opportunity that you lot said was wrongly called. He needs service to do something. Waffle

[@krish4664]

Turkish was gold with that Stone cold stunner stuff. Lost it 😂😂😂😂😂

[@jonnybell9923]

Well done Turkish! You’ve been absolutely spot on all stream. 100% with you. 20 plus years of exhaustion.

[@OJ-ov6sw]

Did anyone see the denied goal for Villa Saturday when the ball was out ? But same goal given against us for Newcastle. Rival fans will say we moan a lot about decisions until when they get robbed too like Man U yesterday now Ten Hag has been sacked. This refs are controlling things in the prem lol 😅

[@williams8152]

Exactly James is absolutely right when those two injuries occurred you can tell Rice dropped with timber just to protect

[@ANHD25th]

we have the right to complain against the ref in this and previous game however we did have some chances we should of buried away and killed the game off. Side note Martinelli as well is on thin ice I feel like as he's getting scoring chances and he's not taking them, hopefully he changes this form around if it not I wouldn't be opposed to selling him next season

[@NosyFella]

Liverpool had more possession, more shots on target, more passes, higher pass completion rate, more corners, and were away from home. You lot just see what you want to see.

[@dicksonhagoi2849]

Which game did u watch?Liverpool were on the ropes especially in the first half, still struggled against a very depleted Arsenal side, times have changed mate, let's accept and move on ,Arsenal is a different kettle of fish.

[@ikeman9784]

Rubbish of course they did cos they were trying to get back in the game smh

[@clarencejulu298]

Typical stat sheet merchant, maybe watch the game next time.

[@wrightgk99]

He only pointed out the stats. How is he wrong?

[@Aloviya]

What tf Did arsenal do after 42nd min? They sat back time wasted had 0 shots on target football isn't played for 45min arsenal were the better team first half and Liverpool were better 2nd half simple s​@@clarencejulu298

[@ricardodrackett5460]

Agree with Lee, everybody hyping Yamine Lamal, he's 17. The only blame here is that Arteta don't play him.

[@lemon-hayds]

Jordan talking about how grown men shouldn’t be wearing football tops and he’s here wearing the worst one 😂😂😂

[@v2-kaj]

Last time it was Howard Webb on the phone when there was a refereeing decisison which was correctly decided by the ref as a yellow card and Webb was texting, a minute later, VAR intervenes.. we get a red.. yesterday the VAR referee is on FPL.. is that even legal..? I don't know what to think..

[@thegovernators4437]

Never seen Lee so salty and petty. Love to see it, muppet😂

[@tris87don16]

Hope you enjoyed the ARSENAL podcast

[@thegovernators4437]

@@tris87don16 I did enjoy it very much thanks 👍 Almost as much as the Bournemouth one😄

[@KMA-1999]

@@thegovernators4437rent free

[@Andreweroo]

Jordan is bang on with the whole it's entertainment and a product thing to do with the refs. Best point he's ever made on anything football

[@londons-mostwantedlondon-m3679]

Jordan spat some bars

[@chinksey-MEDIA]

1:34 i knew that was coming lol 😂😂😂

[@AlanT1010]

if havertz form loss goes on long we have real issues

[@kitukubwa438]

1:00:30 James saying that officiating is now a chance thing?! Being unlucky when there are opportunities to examine decisions on the spot that the officials decide not to do their jobs is the opposite of luck.

[@allisterklein9723]

I absolutely Love Martinelli, However Havertz, Trossard & Martinelli needs to be upgraded. They were good Last season. We needed Big performance from them and they came up short

[@AshleyC86]

Yesss Turkish 👏🏼🔥

[@drooskib5868]

Lee “I don’t watch any other football matches but Arsenal Also Lee - quotes 3 other matches over the weekend 😂

[@silkuk8417]

This Pod is hard work man 😅

[@Cengert1979]

We're coming to a point where Turkish is being negative for the sake of being negative ... And he's only reacting to results - if our 3:2 would have stood he would have been full of praise ... We really dont need that

[@jakehowie442]

5 points behind City, Arsenal already bottling it, crybaby Arsenal fans shitting themselves again

[@abdullahibnmiah2986]

Turkish you were saying after 1-0 Arteta becomes negative even small side. You have short term memory brother. Leicester? Southampton after we equalised. PSG. Stop chatting crap. Sometimes way too negative and don't give the benefit of doubt and not look at any context!

[@gscouser]

Also - "If that's him flirting, he's leaving with no numbers" - Absolute belta of a shout 🤣

[@kwansah25]

Personally I don’t accept that the PGMOL are simply “incompetent” anymore The refs constantly make different decisions from multiple similar situations and instead of identifying the problem and working to make sure there’s more consistency; they’ll clutch at straws to justify each decision and avoid accountability, if that’s not corruption then it’s definitely NEGLIGENCE Regardless of whether that negligence is deliberate or not; it can’t run like this and they should honestly be investigated, it’s ruining the game for everyone

[@mohabuldho4907]

Kai played well yesterday, this highest paid thing is too much i think.

[@doris_en]

My fear is getting through it just to lose to Nottingham Forest at the Emirates 😢😂

[@astrojeet]

I was very disappointed with Theo as well, Carragher talking absolute nonsense. I'm convinced Sky has a proper agenda against Arsenal right now. They are just spreading a lot of anti-Arsenal and anti-Arteta rhetoric right now. Also destabilizing and casting doubt in our fanbase.

[@DonswatchingtheTube]

Turkish and Jordan tend to want Arsenal to play like they were when they were attacking but leaking goals. Not just leaking goals but couldn't tackle and the goal keeper was always busy. Arteta would be wrong to follow their way.

[@samsegger5321]

Lee explaining how age works was priceless 🤣🤣🤣

[@LarryEze-lt7kq]

There's only so much you can put down to incompetence or pure coincidence, at some point you'll admit there's a pattern to this madness

[@abiyworku2635]

Finally Turkish with a correct score prediction 👍

[@mamostreet1676]

Man United supporter here , I feel the ref was fair if anything LFC should be disappointed with him

[@abdullahibnmiah2986]

Jordan almost headloss. How do you think we're not ready and looking at the context? You should be saying with the hard fixtures and injuries were not far off City who haven't played Liverpool, Spurs and Villa yet. Of course we won't be top or level. Come on man what kind of analysis is that? No wonders people think you only watch highlights lol

[@masegoamogetswe60]

Can't believe you guys can call the professionals that are running the club in third, 8 games in, incompetent because of injuries because of a 17 year old like really.. It's actually funny.. Arteta incompetent says guys who wanted him fired.. Who wanted harvertz out, want almost everyone out

[@Henryy0314]

Turkish is my guy man, but he made this episode unbearable

[@Amar-d8x]

He just throws his toys the pram

[@DAAG16]

I remember similar conversation last year before January.

[@jonnyteejonnytee889]

The problem Martinelli is having with Konate, since last season, is that Martinelli runs vertically straight while Konate being very smart will not stay close but wide and run diagonally across Martinelli. So bu the time Martinelli gets to the edge of the eighteen box and wants to cut inside, Konate is already there because Konate was not running straight all the way but he's been drifting diagonally all the time to cut the space into the box. Solution, Martinelli should take the ball closer to Konate first, don't start running until he drags konate closer, when he's closer, start the run slightly vertically and stary drifting diagonally across Konate. One of two things that can happen is either Konate lets him go or bring him down which will result in a card and from there you get him as he'll be very cautious throughout the match and the coach might decide to pull him out and bring a less experienced player in.

[@benj97s]

The Saka vs Martinelli flirting analogy was hilarious 🤣

[@byst017]

Trossard has a decent game. Really good ball distribution. We were unlucky, we move 🔴

[@LionFoot]

Don’t fully agree with Jordan and Turkish, I think they’re being harsh on the players. Injuries is something we can’t predict or avoid. The team played well in the first half, if we hadn’t lost Gabriel and Timber the game would’ve been better. Well said Lee they need to have faith and trust in the 17 year old

[@EliBrigante]

Fourever Excuses new title?👁️

[@kimonmakris-colman9854]

How tf are you talking about injuries when Liverpool had no Alisson and Jota and the bench was depleted with no Elliott, Bradley and Chiesa

[@Mawgamann]

Honestly i think it’s just way too early to be saying any points dropped against chelsea or Newcastle will crush all hope. City and Liverpool still have to play each other twice. And they both haven’t been excellent so far. There’s just way too many games left to be making these early judgements

[@LionFoot]

Don’t fully agree with Jordan and Turkish, I think they’re being harsh on the players. Injuries is something we can’t predict or avoid. The team played well in the first half, if we hadn’t lost Gabriel and Timber the game would’ve been better

[@jozeydirtz]

I actually think people hate on Jordan cos he’s always so descriptive, passionate & has gravitas for what’s bad & so tame, quick & forgetful for what’s good… cos I tend to agree with him a lot

[@YaBoySteve-SR7]

Naaaah Jordan’s comparison of Martinelli and Saka is the funniest thing I’ve heard on this pod. Unreal line and It’s spot on😂😂

[@shaneomar2592]

Dermot O'leary actually is an Arsenal fan too 😂

[@AlienOmertaTV]

Straight away crying about refs ..... This is the problem from arsenal fans to the manager always blame outside factors and never look at themselves Enjoy the top 4 battle this season ......

[@Dasni12]

Are they wrong about the refs?

[@AlienOmertaTV]

@@Dasni12 Yes if you check the stats Arsenal have the most decisions go their way this season out of any other team

[@Tattoo844]

​@@AlienOmertaTVWhere are those stats?

[@skipper6967]

The biggest problem was that we walked out into the second half as if we were playing at Anfield, and that is down to manager. Same attitude yesterday in 2nd half as against Bournemouth. We'll win fck all with that attitude.

[@EA790-v4z]

Lee must be HDL (Havertz Defence League) every time Havertz deserves criticism he either deflects or makes up some lame excuse.

[@jayadevanvijayan3756]

Can’t listen to Turkish , unsubscribing

[@TurkishLDN]

👋🏼

[@APOELARA-bt5zh]

Lee being honest a lot in this one 🤣🤣

[@RenegadeMaster137]

‘Havertz needs to come up with big moments in these games’…. What, like creating the winner in the dying moments, like he literally did? Is it his fault the ref was a joke?

[@Cengert1979]

@@RenegadeMaster137 Spot on ... If that goal stood Turkish would be waxing lyrical about him ... He only reacts to results and nothing else

[@CMWargames]

Don’t usually look at table until 15 games table settles then then at 26 games and 32 games and of course 38 games.

[@BenjaminSam100]

Turkish is the aftv roy keane 😂😂😂

[@KaneAdam-s8z]

Love for the love Turkish ❤️

[@MikeyWilson-he6pp]

Jordan slating Martinelli for their 2nd goal when Miles-Skelley's pass was so underhit it didn't give Martinelli a fricking chance!

[@gooner1756]

Something in the attack seems off, it wasn’t terrible but Martinelli and Havertz don’t have those random bits of quality like a salah haaland Saka do Which we need in games like L’pool, not southampton and leicester at home. It’s boring

[@rudhi87]

Turkish woke up and said NOT TODAY GUYS.

[@MrGoonerdv]

Turkish needs to be an accountant, I've never seen someone watch a next man's pocket like him😂😂😂

[@R1chard08]

Same I agree with Lee I also watch the Championship Sunderland vs Oxford this weekend and the game was so more enjoyable.

[@Reclusepapi]

@TurkishLDN, you’ve missed the point. Believe me, I’m beyond fed up of the clubs business and how we’re run but this pod is like a mini therapy session. It’s exhausting hearing the same point over and over when we know the reason behind the teams struggles over the past 20 years. I wish you would reference in game issues more than off field. They can’t be linked but often you reference off field but not the actual instances in the game. That’s why it’s exhausting, for me I’ve blamed Edu more than anyone and think spotlight should be on him. I don’t think we’ll win a league till we have a competent dof that maximises value in sales and players bought.

[@karthick_michigooner7431]

I come to the podcast post match for a proper match analysis, especially of a match that had so much to talk about in terms of events. A. J(ordan) Van Dijk side footed twice by asking - "Is Arteta not relying on youngsters?" leading to a debate on transfer window and "Are we winning the league" - DESERVER a RED just like VvD did. B. Anthony T(urkish) blew the whistle loud when not needed - On and on and on about the transfer window and Havertz chat. But unlike a certain Taylor, he blew his mind on the Martinelli penalty and Jesus winner. And stops starts the pod when talking about the game - there were so many positives and negatives from the game. Rice at 6 but he excelled when Partey inverted into the middle. Gabriel injury changed the game and we still managed until Timber went! C. James B Slot added excuse after excuse as the game got discussed in bits and parts JUSTIFIABLY unlike a certain Scouser Slot who complained about our Dark Arts - why? D. Lee (Kai) Judges made space and connected with each of his team mates and showed the energy of the fan! Find love even in a frustrating first 45 mins of the pod, unlike the Arsenal who played so well in the first half! Love for the love from MICHIGAN

[@adewaleaderoloye1161]

Jordan and Turkish have the worst takes in this bunch. The alarmism is ridiculous, I know it gets you views but it's ridiculous to hear.

[@Mxxxh93]

The cryarsing is amazing.

[@RajChamala]

38*3=114 pts. We are going through a rough patch but I am sure City and Liverpool both will drop few points and we have to start to put a run of wins, be close to these two teams and see what happens. And it starts with Newcastle and Chelsea

[@mikeyak2099]

Turkish is the only truth on this .. doesn’t sugar coat the constant inadequacies we see over and over again

[@victorsomosu123]

Why do we keep on saying the ref disallowed a goal? It wasnt a disallowed goal because the ref blew and the ball wasn't in the net, it was still in play and was more of a disallowed goal opportunity. I agree the way the ref handled what weird but there was too much in that for it to be considered a disallowed goal. And the Liverpool players even stopped running after the whistle blew.

[@LanesraVek]

White started at centre back last season when Gabriel was benched

[@The.pitch_deck]

Arteta apparent mistrust in Kiwior is eroding the player's confidence, hindering his on-field effectiveness. Unlike other managers, Arteta hesitates to start Kiwior as a center back, instead relegating him to the bench. This decision affects team dynamics, particularly defensive mindset, as evidenced by the drop in performance after Magalhaes' injury and Kiwior's substitution. Kiwior's impressive left-back display last season, amidst injuries, should have boosted his confidence. However, Arteta's cautious approach, characterized by slow starts and mid-season surges, may be influenced by the squad's thinness, especially in critical positions like Saka, Odegaard, Saliba, and now Havertz. Arteta's trust issues with Kiwior and conservative tactics might be undermining Arsenal's potential.

[@GermanChickenwing]

Do Arsenal fans know a team can't score a legit goal after the whistle?

[@dalmarcampbell1148]

Apparently not

[@walkingandadventures6114]

Why watch this if your not an Arsenal fan, of course we know that, what we don’t know is why the ref blew for a foul when it was clear to anyone with a brain there was no foul…

[@Freespeechmedia-r2x]

Do Arsenal fans know that every team has injuries and you need to get on with it. They have no shame complaining and using the excuse of injuries! Small club energy from fans to the team!

[@GermanChickenwing]

@@walkingandadventures6114 There were 2 50/50 fouls dude

[@walkingandadventures6114]

@@Freespeechmedia-r2x Why watch an Arsenal podcast then that talks about Arsenal. Of course they will mention all aspects of the game and Arsenal. Idiots…

[@LARK-ht7kd]

A top left winger is a must next summer

[@dawood_619]

It was too easy for Konate vs Martinelli. He took the ball off him like he was a little boy.

[@lerevofficial4683]

Best proverb i heard one winger is flirting and the other making babies where do you come from Jordan😂😂

[@samtresidder7198]

Julian will be complaining mid 2026 "why do they only let the kids on at half time to Suplex the Ref?"

[@SuperJambojam]

Looking forward to seeing judges rush the pitch against Newcastle to deliver a chair shot to the ref next week

[@jackmannion143]

Pray for rain .. deal with the mud .

[@geoffreynwaoko2765]

Jordan, I don’t know if you watched the same game we all watched. Arsenal played well with the injury situation they had.

[@jamzy8662]

Arsenal played well yesterday ref is a idiot stop the moaning

[@tactics2k]

Lee, don't forget how bad offside without VAR was. We got cheated SO many times, lest we forget. Wouldn't mind VAR for only offsides, with it semi automated. The less human interaction the better.

[@jozeydirtz]

I get Arteta thinks Sesko could be that striker but for there not to be any plan b after we’ve done so well with plan b’s is so hard to accept