2 Very Common Edgeguarding Mistakes (And How To Fix Them)

Songs used:
Platinum Disco - Nisemonogatari
Boo Boogie - Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix
Here We Go! - DDR: Mario Mix
Jump! Jump! Jump! - DDR: Mario Mix
Starring Wario - DDR: Mario Mix
Rollercoasting - DDR: Mario Mix
The Forest of Hope - Pikmin
Cool Cave - Kirby's Epic Yarn
Luigi Circuit - Mario Kart: Double Dash
I'm Glad You're Evil Too - PinocchioP (Soraru cover)
Do you find yourself having trouble landing your edgeguards? This video might explain why, as well as what you can do to get better.

[@coinshot3951]

Other mains: cool now I know how to edgeguard properly Steve mains: *BLOCK*

[@rosar78rockgames29]

Steve mains rise up!

[@-cartythecart-4627]

Coughs in Min Min

[@rosar78rockgames29]

@@-cartythecart-4627 min min uses a rotating disk and steve uses dirt and wood lol

[@schluepperjummi6317]

BLOCK WITH BLOCK

[@rosar78rockgames29]

@@schluepperjummi6317 F U N N I

[@TaboCat]

its been 3 years daddy 🥺

[@eljahkauffmann6442]

Where has he gone

[@amiiboking569]

The landlord definitely got bro

[@2Fab4Uowo]

Easy counter to this: Never edge guard ever. Be afraid of the edge. The edge consumes all.

[@aircall2065]

Your opponent just watches you run to center stage

[@Thekingpenguin947]

Become the ledge.

[@EditUnivers75]

Or you can just time your inputs and kill your opponent earlier, bettering your chances of success in the rest of the match. You gotta take risks

[@hypno210]

that use to be my mindset

[@tommysikula5205]

All hail center stage. Everything comes back to center stage.

[@sheep4558]

BananaBoy is the reason why I want to he in competitive smash, thanks for all the tips and ways to get better at this game❤️

[@limitlesshoka5418]

69 likes is much epic so I’m not gonna like it for that reason

[@cl4655]

@@limitlesshoka5418 me too

[@c.9858]

Come back and like his comment

[@josephassiryani9174]

Lmao

[@ivytrowbribge3750]

For me it was little z

[@ElasticLove12]

Mario mains : so your saying I don’t have to always go for a fair every time the opponent even thinks about being off stage? 🤔

[@solowsmash710]

Mario players don’t listen to him he is lying, bow to our lord and savor fair

[@philipkeane6417]

I do that most of the time as a mario main but make sure I have enough resources to recover.

[@dylanenriguehuntington2908]

@@solowsmash710 ALL HAIL FAIR

[@KakuraZenom]

To be fair (lol) this move is so easy to land and so rewarding that you probably should always go for it 😅

[@theblackbasketball]

@@solowsmash710 As a fellow Mario main I agree. For his blasphemous words, he will be sacrificed to the ladder combo and *_F O R W A R D A E R I A L_* gods

[@PollenDev]

Just wanted to post a comment because there is only one other one thats not two years old. I hope you are okay mental and physical wise no pressure just making sure ur ok

[@Moss_Dude]

Ok next teach me how to egdeguard without SDing 20% of the time

[@kladen3]

Practice in training room extending as far as you can offstage with your moves to learn their range of how deep you can go and what causes you to SD

[@harmless9336]

You make it more stylish before you sd. It’s not about avoiding the sd, it’s about sding with style

[@Moss_Dude]

@@harmless9336 "It's not about winning, it's about sending a message"

[@doooouge1136]

Look up his video about greediness

[@viscosity7893]

Go to training room

[@markcarls1896]

When he needs to pay his landlord but he lives with his mom

[@LumboDumbo]

What?

[@tusix7251]

1:01 ALRIGHT BOYS THE PLAN IS SIMPLE - Ludwig

[@muzzledoof6353]

I need to know what that song is

[@usernamesarestupid]

@@muzzledoof6353 shiawase no monosashi

[@brandtforester837]

MuzzleDoof count what you have now by vantage on spotify and iTunes, and probably Amazon music but I don’t know

[@toadmations6086]

Something tells me he got evicted

[@42carlos]

I can't stress how refreshing it is to go into a video without a long intro like "incase you don't know what edgeguarding is..." Just... thank you.

[@Pablo_Martin_aa]

It suprice me looking back at the video and seeing he wenr directly to the topic

[@marshallcoleman4406]

Something hard to explain but rewarding when executed... is conditioning. Know the opponents recovery and options. Then bait and punish. Treat options like a 50/50 low high or RPS aka jump/attack/recover

[@TheTrickmeister]

marshall coleman probably the simplest way of explaining conditioning is letting the opponent get away with a certain option for some time, then punishing the option later on after baiting it. Best saved for taking stocks.

[@Zeyga]

Hope you're doing alright dude!

[@_hurglet]

you are like the only reason I'm any decent at ultimate please come back to me

[@kyx5631]

I love watching your videos. Your humour, your cuts, your voice, your 7 frame novels that you put randomly somewhere on screen... It's just pure entertainment. I find myself laughing almost the entire time. And it's educational, too! Please don't stop.

[@TaxiManVEVO]

I'm glad your evil too as the outro music just proves that banana boy has the most goated taste in music fr fr

[@ace_stallion]

What about Mario's that go for a forward air literally every single time you're even REMOTELY near an edge?

[@firedodger1265]

1:46 when a Mario hits a FORWARD AERIAL in alpharad

[@archygrey9093]

Because it is extremely satisfying to hit

[@m_e_nere]

Alpharad was patient zero

[@aSaiyan_Cloeku]

Because it’s works for Doc, also but no need to call out someone with a spike. They just die to star KO and that’s what’s fun about fairing with Mario, at ledge cause if it hits they get massively fudged up. Plus it’s just funny af when you kill with sour spot fair as Mario. Cause it’s just baby doc fair . Kek

[@Domlightning99]

As a luigi main, I appreciate you teaching us how to edge guard ness

[@AGuy-0751]

as a luigi main who has a friend who plays ness, it is very useful

[@ninjadudezack]

Me, a Mac main: Wtf am I supposed to do with this

[@chesscat_]

The fact that you can create a video that addresses my mistakes as soon as I recognize them for this long is insane.

[@PsiVolt]

This was great, I like how the two tips really just boil down to "edgeguard at the right time" but you take it at both ends of the spectrum and work out the issues at both extremes and, more importantly, what you can do to fix them

[@tylerbrown9631]

The audio is clean. The editing is crisp, and the content is on point. +1 sub

[@jimhenson7952]

Videos like this are usually super vague and unhelpful but these are really great

[@Barix5000]

Man l've been missing your uploads this quarantine. Thanks for the advices and helpful content!

[@balls548]

Wow instant subscribe from me dude- I’m a pretty skilled player but you articulate scenarios very well and give much insight into smaller, yet important interactions. Keep it up!

[@kirbybelmont]

Love your video, I really wanna get better at playing smash and this wonderful tips will help me bro, you deserve more like and my respect!

[@TeethbatFGC]

Man I don't even play smash but you can still apply most of your videos to other platform fighter games always nice to watch

[@lienwilliamson2082]

You know, I feel like cloud is just little mac with a sword

[@gabrielemmanuelli3375]

Very good content bananaboy. From the looks of it, I edgeguard way too fast from what I see. This is something I want to fix, thanks for the tips

[@Max-Rtpmp]

Your content improves video after video...that's kinda inspiring

[@Sasukeuchiha131000]

i caught that soraru at the end, hell yeah brother

[@lynniagaming]

literally 2am, why am I up?

[@z4ck261]

Same

[@frosticle6409]

12:30am for me lol

[@lymmy9609]

So u can say Steve is coming out tommorow and it be true

[@whiteboxwithbluelights1473]

I suffer from the same problem sometimes 😴

[@VibePrince1]

Always high quality videos

[@manboi1794]

I haven't watched in like a year but congrats for 100k!

[@weregoat529]

Great video as always :)

[@javiercisnerosmoronta4692]

Super educative, thank you, Bananaboy! :)

[@kevinarmes9804]

Love it! Suggestions for videos: 1. Specific tricks you can use to edgeguard against specific characters 2. Specific tricks you can you AS certain characters For example if someone has a counter they can jump out and use it against Ridley's up b Or Ness can use charged down Smash yo yo for most recoveries.

[@Mycathatesyou69]

great breakdown

[@clutchathan1476]

I don’t know if I can brake my habit of using a fair with Mario offstage every time lol

[@rosewarrior706]

That’s understandable it’s a way of life not just a habit

[@lalka4004]

Thanks dude, now i'll be able to edgeguard with ease at *Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix*

[@AverageHandle_]

BananaBoy seems like a really nice person and I enjoy his content and watch even if I don’t think it will help me too much

[@RefractionIX]

This is so very helpful! Thank you!

[@cade_blade6126]

I’m so happy banana boy is back!

[@Jescribano1]

Best video I have ever seen

[@Valnoir_]

Damn I came to watch the retrospective video again. As the start of it always gives me nostalgia tears. Hope you’re alright man

[@chaomasterzero4610]

You cried to this video?

[@Valnoir_]

@@chaomasterzero4610 nah a video that’s unlisted now.

[@vinyl.c0dz]

I haven't played Smash in a month. Thank you for being reliable.

[@wildmonkeycar]

Miss you, man! I hope all's going well!

[@miguel480ac]

BananaBoy has really helped me get better!! I have really improved!!👍

[@tryhardpenguin9636]

“punish them” shows a picture of a belt

[@cosmictraveler1146]

Kinky!

[@solarwolf1336]

Thought it was a sub collar at first, either way, my girlfriend is a bratty sub, so can relate

[@beckettherbert6544]

“PK Fire” Moaned Ness

[@yellowpower3755]

@@beckettherbert6544 He’s a child

[@limitlesshoka5418]

Since I’m a bayo main so this video spoke to me on a spiritual level I havent even watched it yet

[@WanupDeShroom]

UR BACK TO THE BLUE YOSHI

[@ereegodofeternity9451]

Last time I was this early tournaments weren't online

[@kaiju4864]

That was like, 20 years ago or something

[@brandonvu5429]

never would've thought I'd hear monogatari music in a smash video

[@formestaken]

The cloud part was so true and helpful.

[@RanserSSF4]

One thing you can also do is mix-up when you edge guard alongside your ledge trap game or vice verse. I usually ledge trap a lot to make the opponent think I'm waiting, than once in a while, I'll go off-stage to attempt a edge guard when the opponent doesn't expect it, and possibly get a stock. I've done this a lot in friendlies, locals (before the pandemic happened), and recently a wifi regional bracket, and I won some rounds and took stocks because of it. It's the same case as this video, mixup your ledge trap and edge guard attempt to bait opponents to secure the stock or maintain stage control.

[@saltyfox1321]

I’m just getting back into ssbu and this vid is great

[@fallout88881]

Where'd he go??

[@YallGonMakeMe245]

Mental that I caught your comment at less than a days age considering the next latest comment was 2 years ago. Anywho idk he’s just fell off the face of earth it seems.

[@fallout88881]

@@YallGonMakeMe245 right! It's so strange that there hasn't been any comments in 2 years, makes me think that new comments are being deleted

[@notlucas6859]

@@fallout88881i sorted by new and was just thinking about how the next comment after yours was 2 years ago. very shocking. i wonder what happened to him, hope hes alright

[@shrekisthebest707]

@@notlucas6859 Stop acting like he is in a terrible situation. It's quite obvious what happened. He's too lazy to continue, and too cowardly to respond to his fans. It's ok, he's a very average person, who's living a very average life.

[@NotTheLuggage]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@shrekisthebest707who hurt you

[@ratsmacker676]

*This guy inspires me to play quickplay, then when I do that I get matched with a Ness that has items, FS Meter, and 1 minute.*

[@andrescube64]

Thanks for this

[@nd710]

Ok Bananaboy, we love u

[@derekcleffi6476]

First vid I watched, subbed and liked just cause of the end. Yikes man

[@bruce4139]

Great vid you should make a video on how to be in the ness position in the ness vs Luigi situation.

[@jaydenheimo8040]

You really just made an entire speed art for a single transition

[@TheRabidChipmunk]

Quick tip: a great way to bait options from your opponent offstage without putting yourself at risk is to empty jump offstage and immediately come back. Lots of players will see you coming after them and will pick an option before they realize it was a ruse

[@rapasdecoeur7017]

The plan is simple, I'll try this

[@brandtforester837]

Any edge guarders in the chat?

[@dumbweeb6942]

I love the lain gif at 0:20

[@luansomething380]

My edge guard habits: opening the menu and hoping for magic burst lol

[@vyrawllxo300]

I love hitting a neutral B limit with cloud when they try to jump at me, it’s so satisfying.

[@Xxblade17]

Thank you so much

[@c.9858]

I get his channel is to provide tips but personally I’d love to see some gameplay from him

[@roy_mezz-awake2470]

That clip at about 8:00 in the video made me think about how being put in a tech scenario can work, because if you hit the tech, your opponent becomes very punishable. In this example, Captain Falcon is caught up in Ganondorf's Up-B, but Falcon hit the tech, so he could easily go for either a B-Air or F-Air, depending on whether or not he grabbed the ledge.

[@sooshi4560]

Nice Ludwig reference

[@brandtforester837]

Any edge guarders in the chat?

[@kairos7049]

the background music is very epic

[@benferrisinverts4198]

3 years will you ever come back or are you done with smash and or youtube?

[@elijahkarnouk7289]

me watching as a mac main "you dont need that offstage side b, just ledge pressure man *heavy breathing*"

[@Walls69420]

Damnn bananaboy watches ludwig, didnt expect that

[@andrewrichardson625]

what graphics settings do you use for your videos? they all look amazing

[@teddythodo3302]

It may not seem like it, but this really separates the bad from the good players.

[@star14604]

What if my character can't do any of this (two-frame, get back to stage fast, cover ledge at all) or really anythingg else

[@cjr46]

i like how in smash there is even footsies in the air that i never thought of thanks

[@yasutakeuchi]

The poop race got my sub 👍🏼

[@really1583]

You know what’s funny ness and Luigi are two of my mains

[@roy_mezz-awake2470]

This video makes me think of a time where I back-throwed Little Mac as Pichu and then spiked him 3 times in a row, at 0%.

[@ArsenicChord]

Just a suggestion for a video because this is something that is probably my biggest issue, but how should you go about picking a secondary, or a second main? I like too many characters, so I can just never decide on just one, and I don't think that's working out for me in competitive. For example, for WiFi, I play Lucas more so than Byleth, but I'm thinking about Isabelle. The problem with this is that I'm mostly losing the same matchups. Do you have any advice for this? Could also make it more focused on addressing covering matchups but whatever works better :)

[@enchilada1792]

Damnit! Now everyone knows how to edgeguard my 2 mains! Helpful vid tho!

[@monkyyy]

As soon as i started paying more attention to my opponent, i got my first character into elite smash (and it wasn’t even a main so you already know i have a couple in there now)

[@Swampert00260]

I wanna see a video where you train an amiibo

[@sethwoligroski9166]

Can you make a video for me on not just throwing stuff out but making more concious decisions in neutral?

[@hectormartin9004]

Love me some ludwig references

[@brandtforester837]

Any edge guarders in the chat?

[@kiaro1818]

My brain can't handle this

[@PlanxBxEntertainment]

What is the song at 0:57? Also great video as always

[@austinclay3189]

It's ok I really like that book too

[@jibs2371]

Am I the only one who thinks doc has a worse recovery than mac?

[@bonzai8]

At least Doc can consistently snap the ledge

[@jibs2371]

@@bonzai8 mac does too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZrHg6iAZ56gaM0 but I see your point though but doc still has the worst in my opinion.

[@bonzai8]

I see what you mean. At least Mac has a better recovery from smash 4 I guess.

[@Snaiem13]

little mac has a better recovery than doctor mario but doctor mario actually has a decent one. the worst one is roy or ganon.

[@N0GG1N]

ganondorf is easily the worst. His only mixups are to go high and grab ledge, airdodge in very specific situations, or double jump up air (this is the most common but still not exceptional)

[@kooperhoy9690]

Bro the contrast

[@gavine.6267]

Platinum Disco? Nice

[@augustokenjihirata1544]

Must be sad failing to edguard Little Mac, but imagine getting edguarded by him

[@devastatingman5736]

I'd quit the game

[@phunkyphreshphrog3528]

As a ness main I have taken many lives of people running into my recovery

[@jacobalexander1773]

I watch these videos but then forget about the tips afterwards

[@numbug1234]

And what would you suggest for someone who struggles to even go for any edgeguarding in the first place? (Sonic/Pokemon Trainer/Joker/sometimes Mii Swordfighter)

[@Alsry1]

Joker’s edgeguard is extremely easy to set up, just down throw fair. Then chase them with either gun or back air. joker can throw 3 back airs with still managing to land on stage. You can also edgeguard by b reverse gun toward the stage to go under it and then back air. Other ways to set up can be anything from eiha to aerial/throw/dash attack and just a simple f tilt if they’re at high enough percent. Also learn how to counter recoveries with hitboxes because joker’s counter is completely absurd. TLDR: knock them offstage and back air.

[@Trattt]

This would be handy to new players