200th Anniversary of the Birth of Marx and a Revolution in Understanding History

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6 жыл бұрын

Historian Gerald Horne and host Paul Jay discuss the ongoing relevance of Marx’s Materialist Conception of History; to understand and fight ideas that defend injustice today, people must know the economic roots the give rise to, and perpetuate, such ideology
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@ResistEvolve 6 жыл бұрын

I'm reading Capital right now (an abridged edition), anyone who hasn't read it -- start today! Haha. Seriously I think anyone who hasn't read it will learn much, and also I think that quite a bit of what's in it is surprising.

@x3nine96 6 жыл бұрын

_We still have nothing to lose, but our chains._

@aragregorian6039 6 жыл бұрын

Great quote, but irrelevant.

@rafaelpena4269 6 жыл бұрын

Ara Gregorian..Huh?

@MtnGalPal 6 жыл бұрын

This is a very well done presentation and discussion. It takes a bold and intelligent person to shed the illusions that our extremely capitalist society is steeped in. With mass media functioning as a mouthpiece for the super rich, voices of truth like this are so very precious. But the damages of unbridled greed are becoming so painful for the workers in our country, more and more are willing to take a more realistic look at the roots of oppression and seek an avenue out of it.

@AJ-sx8mp 6 жыл бұрын

Laurie MtnGalPal a mouthpiece for the rich because all mass media are owned by a very few ruling elite

@moony77 6 жыл бұрын

We are living in/under Fascism.

@herokiryu2652 6 жыл бұрын

It would take a study in economics to understand this and not just listening to some halfwits speak for 20 minutes, who is morel likely having an agenda of their own.

@denaconroy1974 6 жыл бұрын

sad and scary but true!!

@stevenbenson5241 6 жыл бұрын

Or as Chris Hedges says< Inverted Totalitarianism> Inverted totalitarianism is a term coined by political philosopher Sheldon Wolin in 2003 to describe the emerging form of government of the United States. Wolin analysed the US as increasingly turning into a managed democracy (similar to an illiberal democracy). He uses the term "inverted totalitarianism" to draw attention to the totalitarian aspects of the US political system while emphasizing its differences from proper totalitarianism, such as Nazi and Stalinist regimes. from Wikipedia

@ericrobinson7184 6 жыл бұрын

Blown away...Gerald Home is brilliant! Superb...with dead people grow hair! That should be the title of his next book!

@jeanshepherd7185 4 жыл бұрын

I cringed at that metaphor because I think it is false

@thesmartgene 6 жыл бұрын

I love Marx. Out of all the thinkers I read during graduate school, he was the most influential in my own growth, along with John Dewey. Yet, if you mention Marx in academia today, people act as though the red scare never ended.

@moony77 6 жыл бұрын

Utopian Strivings I think we can thank the Clintons, DNC and Comey for the current state of Neo McCarthy/red scare state we have been subjected to, hence expanding wars. Unfortunately, Trump is the same war puppet every president becomes while at the strings of the master.

@bighands69 6 жыл бұрын

Marx was german and had nothing to do with Russia. The Red scare as you put it was down to the USSR which killed over 50 million people by putting the theories of Marx into action. Socialism as a whole has probably killed close to 200 million people.

@moony77 6 жыл бұрын

.... if you believe the propaganda..... and I certainly do not. All you have to do is realize how it serves the war machine then and now.

@TheDavid2222 6 жыл бұрын

Thank God someone mentioned John Dewey!

@ernestoelche9161 6 жыл бұрын

Paul Jay, you are a great interviewer. thank you.

@Zeldarw104 6 жыл бұрын

May I suggest a book read the (Settlers) a overview how the white proletarians were used to perpetuate slavery for the bourgeoisie.

@bighands69 6 жыл бұрын

What about slave trade in Asian, Africa and south America that had nothing to do with "White Proletarians" or "Bourgeoisie".

@brianbooker8736 6 жыл бұрын

How appropriate my deep dive into Western Economic history (I’ll finish reading “Hegel Marx and Dialectic” in the next couple of days) will end just as spring begins and on Marx’s birthday. Capitalism relies on a humanist/individualist mind set, individualism leads to Tribalism and Tribalism leads to Racism. Marx’s critique of Capitalism is mind blowing; Capitalism exploits surplus labor and ultimately the surplus wealth. Anyone that believes Capitalism will create equality is delusional; the very foundation of Capitalism is inequality. If we weren’t programmed into being these individualistic robots that have chosen to define existence by over-consumption we’d realize that Amazon, Wal-Mart, Lowes, Home Depot, Kroger and these other big box stores are nothing more than distribution centers. These stores should be Co-Ops that receive input from the community about the goods and services the community needs. What we have now isn’t Capitalism because there is surplus labor and Monopolies which means the Capitalist models that determine wages and price doesn’t work. We have a Criminal enterprise that is extorting the surplus wealth of the planet. Luckily we have a President that is doing what other movements have been unsuccessful at doing, destroy Capitalism. Hopefully we can have a rebirth after all it is spring.

@libana4081 6 жыл бұрын

Brian Booker did Marx & Engels Marxism brought destruction of russia & death of 30,000000 ,.also this experiment never tried on WASP nations only the rest

@natel9019 6 жыл бұрын

Socialism and Communism make working class poor who can not manage to live. These systems also create aligarcs as well,the mega rich. Two different ways to pull off the same thing. Furthermore each system was used to justify the exploitation of its own people in defense of the other bad system. You have not noticed that yet? Just like democratics and republicans,they are all on the same team and they are shitting on the people that support them. Some call it Communism i just call it what it is,Judaism. Rabbi Stephen Wise.

@moony77 6 жыл бұрын

Brian Booker Can you give and example of how Trump is dismantling capitalism?

@brianbooker8736 6 жыл бұрын

His policies are insuring the increase in income inequality which has caused previous societies to collapse. The 39.9 % that keep him in office are hoping his policies will insure the inflated values of their assets stays the same but his deregulating policies are insuring a recession worse than 1930 or 2008. Before the year is out we'll see exactly how he is dismantling Capitalism.

@brianbooker8736 6 жыл бұрын

My comment is on Marx's critique of Capitalism not how it was implemented in Russia or China.

@GrimLocke161 6 жыл бұрын

This was great, and I look forward to Gerald and Paul discussing Mitbestimmung. 🤘🏻😊👍🏻

@charleskesner1302 6 жыл бұрын

A man who has been misunderstood. He was a great mind.

@andrew_owens7680 6 жыл бұрын

Gerald Horne speaks like fully realized prose. What a treasure.

@pastabatman 6 жыл бұрын

Dr. Horne is brilliant. I will check out his books!

@modusponens1094 6 жыл бұрын

Horne's intensity is entrancing.

@b.a-RebelWorker 9 ай бұрын

This was a excellent discussion.

@denaconroy1974 6 жыл бұрын

'love this discussion!!

@dylan9966 6 жыл бұрын

STALINISM IS NOT MARXISM. The USSR was NOT socialism. Marxism-Leninism is not socialist. It's a state capitalist ideology, developed by the Soviet Union to justify what it was doing under the guise of "building socialism." Stalinism is counter-revolutionary bullshit. The USSR centralized capital under the hands of the state, but capital, wage-labour, surplus value, and private property were all still in existence. None of those are characteristics of socialism. Marx would have committed suicide if he knew what idiots would use his work to justify. Read the first chapter of Capital. Read Critique of the Gotha Program. There's no way you could call the USSR socialism, or consider Stalin a socialist if you had read even an inkling of Marx.

@lutherdean6922 6 жыл бұрын

im a big fan of gerald horne!

@jamesgraham4242 6 жыл бұрын

All Hail The Scarlet Banner. Class politics rules. It's curtains for capitalism.

@theartificialsociety3373 6 жыл бұрын

The story was confused. Marx was not about racism. He was about explaining the Haves and Have Nots. The Haves will use their advantage to further their advantage. Marx further explained that the Have Nots can unite and do a better job for everyone.

@moony77 6 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the conversation on Karl Marx’s philosophy and it’s prevalence today in the US. If any “radical” has difficulty accepting American genocide of its Natives, slavery and the convenient perpetual racism that permeates in 2018, one need only to reflect on the murders of Abe Lincoln, John F Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. This model of death and destruction is at the core of American politics, economy and religion, hence our “race to the bottom” of the socio-economic, religious-morality and mortality standing in the world. It would serve the ongoing conversation to delve into the American history of unions and their fight for survival against the federal government prior to the industrial revolution, where we’ve been sold the ongoing lie of the production/efficiency model of our current and ongoing oppression as it relates to capitalism and the current technocracy encroaching upon us.

@user-fr6jv2yd9s 6 жыл бұрын

*A luta continua!*

@IggyInBurnaby 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Paul Jay, I dare you to have Jordan Peterson on your show to 'discuss' your views about Marxism. I guearantee he's accept your invitation. He's a fellow Canadian after all.

@caimacd 6 жыл бұрын

hmm... interesting

@auntijen3781 6 жыл бұрын

@7:10 explains certian americans' climate denial perfectly..

@pianoman9685 6 жыл бұрын

Open your eyes look around you. I recently read Marx was amazed. Sad that America has made words such as Marx, Marxism, socialism, communism propaganda scare words to inspire fear and anxiety such to the point that we just put away Marx deciding not to pay any attention to his works. Not to read it or think about it. Richard Wolff says “ unfortunately that means we didn’t learn anything from it.” Upon reading this it is clear to me that society can do better and that our present system is failing. With over half the country at or near poverty. Many don’t even have $500 in their bank accounts in case of emergency. Inequality at the higher level since the gilded age at turn of the nineteenth century. Major industries in most cities gone. Factories closed. Unions gone. Powerless labor force Many cities near or in bankruptcy or in shambles. Little or no mass transit thanks to greed of the automobile industry which bought up streetcars amongst other. Low stagnant wages. A for profit healthcare industry such that Goldman Sachs openly stated that curing citizens might be bad for profits. Profits above all and life. This is capitalism which promised for liberty equality fraternity and democracy. Yes maybe for a few but not for the majority of people doing most the labor. This is what unfettered capitalism is doing . Great system isn’t it. We should look at alternatives. It’s time.

@deathmachinestar 3 жыл бұрын

Did somebody say birthmarks?

@nthperson 6 жыл бұрын

It is worth nothing what Henry George observed regarding the fate of persons of color following the outlawing of chattel slavery. One result that actually worsened over the decades was that landless people competed with one another for subsistence wage employment. In the Southern states this often took the form of sharecropping. The end of chattel slavery was not accompanied by a just program to end the monopoly of land. Henry George's plan to impose on all who owned land an annual tax equal to the potential annual rental value of land held would have ended the hoarding of land and the ability to profit from speculating in land. This would have moved the U.S. society in the direction of full employment, meaning there would always be more jobs looking for people than people looking for jobs. Wages and benefits for all workers regardless of race or ethnicity would have increased to match the value of the goods and services people produce.

@Autists-Guide 6 жыл бұрын

Gerald always looks angry. Makes me feel like I've been bad.

@aragregorian6039 6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't you be if you were not White?

@Autists-Guide 6 жыл бұрын

Not by default. One can have an appreciation of historical injustices without anger. Present-day injustices can inspire one to achieve change without anger.

@aragregorian6039 6 жыл бұрын

To steal a line from the man himself: the beard will continue to grow on the face a corpse. If you're born into injustice and aware of it for all your life, I'm assuming that your face will eventually become angry. Perhaps not permanently, but eventually, temporarily, at least.

@n0wheregrrl 6 жыл бұрын

Well, I'm white, and my face is frequently angry-looking (or at least cold), too. The more aware you become of the evil and injustice in the world, provided you don't rationalize it away or refuse to really engage with the truth, no matter how painful that truth is ... the more you look at extreme opulence and just see the blood and suffering that is causes. While others around you continue to gush about how wonderful it looks, you find yourself disgusted and sickened. I'm pretty well-educated, but Dr. Horne is a good deal MORE well-educated than I am, and his focus is also more directly relevant to the topic in question than mine is. So if what I know is already enough to make my expression as hard as it is as a WHITE person, I can only imagine what he carries around inside him as a BLACK person who knows all that he knows, given all of the injustices faced by people of African descent all over the world to this very day.

@aragregorian6039 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your response. You should wear your angry face with pride, but only in the right venues. Your boy/girlfriend would probably not appreciate that in the more intimate moments. Turn that anger into action! Let's clean up the infestation, and I'm not only talking about the troglodytes in power today.

@12artman 6 жыл бұрын

I cannot agree that, ultimately, Marx's view of history and his conclusions were scientific as much as philosophical. I know science or 'scientific' has multiple meanings and applications but for Engels to equate Marx's materialist concept of history (aka: his "upside down" use of the Hegelian Dialectic) to the essential work of Darwin is just nonsense to me. Although scientific methods are used in economics and politics the conclusions reached are not, for the most part, scientific. To a certain degree this might be said of 'Natural Selection' as well but at the core of Darwin lies the possibility of using 'scientific method' to falsify whereas in political and economic theory this is not possible or at least in any way that might allow for scientific falsification. At the heart of this is Marx's (one mention) of Dialectical Materialism and Engel's related work as well as that of subsequent socialists such as Trotsky used as scientific formulae. I still don't understand why the Political Science classes I took were considered science and not philosophy. Though I believe Marx's observations and conclusions were remarkably insightful and accurate his solutions or remedies for these socio-political ills are just so much 'one-stop shopping' for a curative. Though Marx may have had a 'greater' intellect than that of Mikhail Bakunin, I say this because of Bakunin's respect for and hesitancy to criticize Marx's intellectual capacities though not so with his remedies, it was Bakunin who accurately predicted the inherent moral problems and contradictions within the "dictatorship of the proletariat". The belief in Marxism has more the quality of a religion than that of a 'science'.