2013 Nissan Leaf battery disassembly part1

[@Granite]

I am glad you got these and not someone who is unaware of the risks.

[@macnei]

How do you not have a socket set?

[@RinoaL]

+neils mack because ive rarely needed one.

[@SkylosSobaka]

Spends $3200 on batteries. Doesn't spend $30 on a basic socket set. whuh?

[@RinoaL]

+David Ihnen (Skylos) because socket sets have a very limited use.

[@SkylosSobaka]

Rinoa Super-Genius interesting assertion.

[@RinoaL]

David Ihnen i dont work on many things with hard to reach bolts. usually my old pipe wrench works fine.

[@trdbajanc5715]

True a socket set is key... Working on your bike your electric car maybe... it would come in handy for all kinds of things... You have to work harder with wrenches and pliers. Not picking up a socket set is selling yourself short. Maybe you could ask KZbin to buy you one.

[@RinoaL]

Brad F. well ive had them back in illinois and i never really liked using them.

[@redneckbryon]

I could be wrong but didn't you hook up your charger wrong, from right to left isn't it, positive balance negative?? To me it look like there was a bit of red behind the positive and black behind the negative, built-in terminals. I wonder if that extra connection on the back is a thermal feed if there's any way you can utilize it.

[@sausagedog52]

+redneckbryon there's two cells in each module and the "balance" pin is connected to the internal jumper between the two, so if you only want to connect to one cell this is the correct method.

[@ohmslaw3076]

There's 4 cells per module. Check other KZbin videos

[@sausagedog52]

+Mitch Knight from entering electrical standpoint two cells in parallel can be treated as one larger capacity cell. but yeah. I get where you're coming from, it's a 2s2p pack.

[@onjofilms]

Interesting. Do you have a link to Benjamin Johnson's channel? A search turns up the runner Benjamin Johnson. Thanks

[@RinoaL]

+onjoFilms Benjamin Nelson, not johnson.

[@onjofilms]

+Rinoa Super-Genius Oh, thanks.

[@RandomDIYProjects0]

Hello what kind off lithium batteries are in those modules, lithium polymer flat cells? Thanks and nice video

[@DMAN22yeah]

lifepo4 i think

[@JeffKubel]

+Constructive Lego Technic LiMn2O4 cathode, graphite anode, LiPF6 electrolyte, PP dry separator.

[@PuchMaxi]

Just for my piece of mind, would you be so kind to insulate the exposed terminals?

[@goyabee3200]

Seems like a heavier design than necessary... also how are these cooled?

[@404destruction4]

What are you going to use those batteries for? Maybe your ebike? or your electric car?

[@jasongooden917]

What ever happened to Professor X's Wheelchair. Did he finish it? I want to see the finished project.

[@pointbky]

approx. how long would that battery take to charge on your solar panels?

[@JeffRatliffhome]

I also chuckled a little that you have a $3200 battery but no socket set. But then my first hacking experience was borrowing my Dad's socket set to modify my bike when I was 5 or 6. When I learned how to adjust the seat and handle bars, I was in heaven. So maybe it's sentimental. I spent a few years working on cars for extra money too, so sockets were vital. I definitely respect your right to use whatever tools you want. But life is short so treat yourself to good tools where it makes sense.

[@crapper1]

you totally need to rig these up for your bike and a set or 2 for the citi car

[@VashVenture]

Really hoping to do this myself! Excellent find!

[@bjsautoelectrical7591]

Are you reselling any of those batteries? I would be interested

[@RinoaL]

+MyTech Tv i am not planning to, but if somebody wanted to come to my house and buy some i would seriously think about it.

[@k2aka111]

how do you not have a socket set yet.....

[@RinoaL]

+k2aka111 because i only need them like maybe once or twice a year.

[@k2aka111]

With all you do it seems odd that you wouldn't need one. I guess the crescent wrench can do almost anything a socket can aside from those really tight places. I just prefer a something ratcheted while working, easier on my bad wrists

[@fortunateson6070]

I just saw your Citicar video yesterday, are these going in it?

[@RinoaL]

+Casey Urquhart thats the goal, maybe some time next year

[@nbookie]

have you done anything with solar ballance charging? I have been running the kids power wheels and scooters with cla because the charge controllers are so easy to make. thinking that my only ballance options is a micro invertor with a basic balance charger that comes on when adequate ac voltage is provided.

[@RinoaL]

+nbookie you mean like have a solar panel power a BMS that charges the battery?

[@nbookie]

+Rinoa Super-Genius yes sir. looking for an idea that would be as simple as a sla solar setup. panel -> charge controller -> battery bank & load.

[@sc0tte1-416]

Holy crap, that's a big purchase...did you make sure they weren't toast before you committed yourself at least?

[@BigMack2020]

you could also use long peices of Thread all and nuts with those plates to hold them together once you decide placement and wiring

[@Pnormandin13]

Lol 3200 dollar battery, won't buy 25$ socket set...

[@BigMack2020]

so with the true assumption that your citi car is gonna be alot lighter than a Nissan leaf, What kind of range do you suppose you are going to be able to get out of those batteries...and do you plan on using all of them in the car?

[@RinoaL]

+DatPhatGamer no not all of them, but i hope to get at least 200 miles of range.

[@TheMechanicalPhilosopher]

Flattening old copper pipe can be a great way to connect those cells into a pack. You can measure the thickness to determine its current capacity. Some pipe is too brittle, the soft type that comes on a roll is best. Also the hydraulic wire terminal crimper that I got on amazon for $33 works well.

[@MYNICEEV]

They are AWESOME my friend. Do you have a post box in California yet. So you can have some Jaffa Cakes sent to you? Over here we have quacking weather. Could you send some of your weather over here? LOL. I am looking forward to how you configer those cells and what you get out of them. Our QXA did 12 days. When it reached 10,6V. It is now on on day 16 of solar recharge. With one 45 watt panel facing south out of the hall window @ 45deg angle. The other 4 making 60 watts on the Lab roof facing south @ 45degs also. Add to that we have only had 5 days of sunshine so far since the 23rd October. The QXA cells are at 3.8V. I am looking forward to see how long it takes that one of yours to charge using the IMax. Have an amazing day my friend.

[@1981dasimpson]

+Raymond Earle to charge one of these off the imax at 5 amp if the cells are 50 about 10 to 12 hours mind you i always forget about the ramp down so prob looking at a few days haha

[@1981dasimpson]

+Raymond Earle imagen how long it would take with solr in the uk i have 40 watt panel at 5 volt charging a 150+ah battery pack and well i charge my phone off it and use it to power a bedside light and well the voltage is getting lower and lower i need more power from the panels lol

[@MYNICEEV]

Yes I am finding that the UK weather depletes your solar charging ability a lot durring winter. It is great to hear from you my friend.

[@1981dasimpson]

+Raymond Earle i need to align mine proper for the south and winter degree at moment they mounted to a vertical wall they do ok at that angle for sunny days but when the bed rainy weather comes in i get nothing im thinking of running a water wheel from the gutter run off for that little extra only running a 3.6 volt pack helps keep things simple and able to use more more to generate the lower voltage

[@MYNICEEV]

Running at lower voltage then series the cells was my thought too. That is how the QXA is wired and the automatic charger is designed for that system. 4V is easier to generate at high current than any higher voltage. I have to reconfigur my panels too. I still have another 45Watt to go online.

[@dash8brj]

I'm waiting for some of these to come my way - thanks for the video on how to take them apart. I plan to use them for a power wall (48V system with 5kW of solar).

[@insanity54]

Hi Rinoa, I haven't watched your videos for like 2 months... Your voice has changed! Cool project, looks like fun.

[@RinoaL]

+insanity54 yeah thats just because im a bit excited in this video, i think

[@joemamma4324]

48v 5ah..hmmm..I have a 72 volt controller for my ebike..How many of these would I need for a 100 mile radius?How many packs are in each cell?

[@RinoaL]

+Joe Mamma radius? what?

[@joemamma4324]

Rinoa Super-Genius distance

[@joemamma4324]

I have a sneaky suspicion that you are not a super genius.

[@RinoaL]

Joe Mamma yeah im an idiot, you dont get the joke?

[@kodyadams2332]

where do you live

[@Techn0man1ac]

И что Вы с ними будете делать?

[@ShaneMatthews27]

Is each cell a 2s 7.4v pack?

[@DMAN22yeah]

yes

[@RinoaL]

+shaneman27 8.4v

[@ShaneMatthews27]

Well yeah but 7.4 nominal. 8.4 fully charged.

[@terjeoseberg990]

Is it 2,500 mAh, or 25,000 mAh? You said, "25 hundred mAh".

[@terjeoseberg990]

To get to 500 Watt hours with 25,000 mAh these would need to be 20 volts. 20V * 25A = 500 Watts So if these are 20V batteries, and can supply 500 Watts for 1 hour, they have to be 25,000 mAh.

[@RinoaL]

these are 8.4v 50ah batteries

[@XER239]

Tip,Plasti- dip was originally to coat tools with rubber protection

[@joemamma4324]

WOW! 3200. whew..Pretty big initial investment,You could make some awesome money building ebikes with those bad boys..GREAT FIND!

[@r1w3d]

When you brought them home did you at least yell something like "I HAVE THE POWER!" because those are some serious leaf cells. now I might go buy some new or used.. I'm sure there are a few hippies that have crashed their hippie cars here in SoCal that I can scrap from.

[@chriswouse7713]

$3200 on a battery, surely you can fork out for a $60 VDE pliers set?

[@RinoaL]

+Chris Woodhouse but why? just because i spend money on one thing doesnt mean i can then spend a lot of money on everything.

[@chriswouse7713]

Rinoa Super-Genius True, you work with what you got (or can borrow), but if you think you need it and it would help, don't look at it as an expense, consider it an investment. Right tool for the right job will not only make you work safer, but quicker. You have a Patreon account?

[@RinoaL]

Chris Woodhouse nah im not a big fan of patreon, plus i make a little bit of money from my channe to support my projects anyway. if i ever go back to doing youtube as my full time job i'll maybe open a patreon. but about the tools, i dont believe there is ever a "right tool" i believe every tool is less good or more good for specific jobs.

[@chriswouse7713]

Rinoa Super-Genius Fair enough. Stay safe then. Keep wearing those hefty welding gauntlets! Those plastic bits look like they'd slice your hands up, not to mention the lip on those batteries!

[@SOARESDACOSTA]

Yes...tape on the terminals.

[@TheEPROM9]

If you have not already, do the maths to work out the power to wight ratio because these might be better for the e trike. Also I would recommend using the larger modal as is in your car and use a step down converter. Saying that you could reconfigure the wiring to make 48V and not have use a step down converter. I would not recommend mixing these with old 18650 cells just to be on the safe side.

[@smallenginedude71]

your brave. lithium batteries scare me. those are awesome batteries for sure.

[@lipevolcom2]

They are two cells a pack? Are you charging just one cell there 😱? It's second cell, first cell and negative and you charging the first cell only 😱

[@RinoaL]

+LiPe VoLcOm yes i am, what are you upset about? its safer to do a test on a single cell than to do a test on two cells in series that arent balanced.

[@Good-Enuff-Garage]

luv the commentary

[@SebkTm]

"And in 10 year, Rinoa will disassemble the lithium air battery from the Apple Car 7" ah ah :-) Can't wait for the next video! Many thanks from France for sharing all your amazing projects.

[@haroldtplopps]

it looks a tad heavy i do worry if its to heavy your back end slips out on corners if its on a bicycle. unless its a trike but built strong unlike the one that wrecked. maybe using a trike chassis? from a real motorbike be more up to handling the stresses. had a quick google and found wazp electric drift trikes. something similar made by yourself.

[@EEE-iw3fk]

+haroldtplopps heavy = more friction on surface, wider tire helps too. lean the bike until your knee touches the ground

[@cantbyou3086]

3200 on batteries, couldn't afford a 40 for a decent socket set?

[@RinoaL]

+Can't B you ive rarely needed one

[@cantbyou3086]

How long have you been taking things apart? The reason you think you rarely needed one is because you've never owned one. Saves hours of wasted time screwing with the wrong tool for the job at hand. Also pick up a 16-20oz ball peen. You won't regret it....

[@RinoaL]

Can't B you i've been taking things apart since i was like 2, yes i have a socket set back home but ive used it like 3 times in the 2 years ive had it.

[@cantbyou3086]

May I ask if your going to use the batteries to power your car back at home with? Then drive it to Cali. Road trippin with a friend is a priceless adventure.

[@RinoaL]

Can't B you yeah the end goal is to have these in my citicar. i may drive them out there with my dad or i may go cross-country on my trike. idk.

[@8Bitrabbitech]

Love it thanks for the video man!

[@johnmonk66]

....why? .....

[@EEE-iw3fk]

nice battery, I want 4 modules, 2 attached to each side of the rear rack of my ebike. the added capacity is going to be awesome.

[@SuperKingslaw]

Best to do all that charging and discharging in the Toolshed in case it catches fire while unattended.

[@erich4047]

Sorry I made a few mistakes first I forgot to tell you how much fun I have been having following along with your projects And secondly it's a Haco not a Baco soldering iron. It's all good and detail is fluff. PS solar sucks in Winnipeg its dam dark here.

[@steve64464]

Oooooh scary battery things :-) , Charging them on the imax gonna take forever heh

[@dividend1463]

Braver than I, Rin!

[@boomstickkid]

battery impact could save you hours taking this apart..

[@parkerproffitt3012]

Cool video :)

[@photonic_induction2633]

maybe just slaping 5 together to make a 48v system and just buying a bms and you have a nice 60ah battery

[@RinoaL]

+Kristijan Dinga well try to find a 10s bms

[@photonic_induction2633]

Rinoa Super-Genius well yeah thatb is a problem then just put 6 and done :)

[@AndyMcBlane]

+Rinoa Super-Genius www.ebay.com/itm/36V-37V-42V-10S-45A-Lithium-ion-Li-ion-Li-Po-LiPo-Polymer-Battery-BMS-PCB-System-/321751886140?hash=item4ae9e8293c:g:o3cAAOxyOM5Ra-k0

[@RinoaL]

+Andy McBlane sorry i meant 48v 10s. 10s just wont get to the voltage. would be great for a 36v motor though.

[@samuelseidel6148]

1.25 per cell, hmmm 18650 cells that cheap only come in old stock auctions.

[@RinoaL]

+Samuel Seidel not only, you can get them for free from laptop packs.

[@arrowstheorem1881]

Someone should compensate you for your selfless sacrifice for us youtubers, educating us. You must have spent quite a bit of time doing all these. KZbin should compensate you.

[@RinoaL]

+Cosmo John they do pay me to do these. i used to live off the income from this.

[@MrJamesonStyles]

Keep a fan on your Imax so it doesn't burn itself out like the last one. :D

[@RinoaL]

+MrJamesonStyles thats not what killed my last one

[@MrJamesonStyles]

Oh? I remember seeing it get so hot that the screen turned purple. What did end up killing it?

[@RinoaL]

MrJamesonStyles me connecting it up to a big battery in reverse

[@ThinkDragonX41T]

Hey it´s only 90V that would not kill you??? Even 20V with enough Amperes will kill you easily.

[@RinoaL]

+ThinkDragonX41T where do you get your data from?

[@ThinkDragonX41T]

+Rinoa Super-Genius Excuse my bad english im from germany so i found this for example in english. www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~p616/safety/fatal_current.html

[@RinoaL]

ThinkDragonX41T i dont see 20v on there at all. you talk about volts with enough amps as if it matters. unless your stabbing the electrodes into your heart, 20v DC isnt going to kill you. i get shocked with 60v DC all the time and its not too bad.

[@ThinkDragonX41T]

+Rinoa Super-Genius I know thats thers is not written 20V exaclty its the fact that the current kills not the voltage. Even 20v and over 0,2A on the right spot can cause muscle Paralysis so that you couldnt go away and the thing will cause breathing difficultys and heart spasm. DC is al lot more dangerous as AC from the socket with 50 or 60 Hz.

[@RinoaL]

ThinkDragonX41T no its your resistance coupled with voltage that kills you. you could die from 1v if you had super low resistance. but human skin has really high resistance so even 250v is possibly survivable. no DC is less dangerous than AC, AC is far worse. have you ever used electricity before?

[@ps3customgamer]

It scares me that your removing the batteries from a metal enclsure then slapping your hand down on them

[@RinoaL]

+PS4 Custom Gamer why?

[@ps3customgamer]

Massive batteries very little structural rigidity and much easier to damage than the small phone and rc batteries we are all use to handling.

[@linustorvalds2154]

convert the citicar. nuff said.

[@SuperKingslaw]

I just hope the next video is NOT of firetrucks in front of the house, like the KZbin video of Jack Rickard on EVTV when he was trying to charge his pack of LEAF cells. Worth taking a look at his videos and aftermath.

[@RinoaL]

+Robert Orr well from what i understand he was being stupid by charging them from 0v without a BMS, he heard popping and kept charging the battery....

[@SuperKingslaw]

I guess the point is not to leave them unattended while charging.until you are VERY familiar with their charging characteristics.

[@RinoaL]

Robert Orr yeah

[@MrJmak642]

The teenager inside me wants to see what would happen if you hard short one of those puppies, there has to be a lot of magic smoke in a battery so large.

[@jusb1066]

+MrJmak642 or a fuseable link for safety so nothing much would happen!

[@MrJmak642]

that would make me sad...

[@JeffKubel]

+MrJmak642 Someone did puncture tests and fire tests on one of the cells (not an entire module though), and it remained stable. Pretty impressive.

[@chrisperry5129]

If you think you're protected by leather gloves think of what your skin is made of

[@RinoaL]

skin and leather are very very different materials.

[@RideEnduro561]

BE CAREFUL with those!!!!! I've seen them arcflash and destroy an arcflash suit costing over 3,000$. They have unlimited discharge potential.

[@S30Uploads]

wow.....

[@chaytongray]

Not to be rude but amps are what kill you not volts

[@RinoaL]

but you cant have amps without volts.

[@chaytongray]

+Rinoa Super-Genius yes but you can have high current with little volts

[@RinoaL]

Chayton Gray but only if you have low resistance. and you can have low current with high volts. so its all pointless.

[@chaytongray]

+Rinoa Super-Genius true

[@chaytongray]

+Rinoa Super-Genius its like a 1000000 volt tazer it has high voltage but relatively low current or amps

[@BigMountianBob]

Wow I was feeling pretty bad for you when you started to take that thing apart with the nut fucker. Sockets are definitely my most used tool.

[@RinoaL]

+Big Mountain Bob opposite for me, i rarely used the socket set i have in illinois.

[@erich4047]

OK after watching this one I have finally broken down. You my super interesting friend need to buy just a few things that are priceless 1 Knipex cobras ask AVE 8701250 will change everything 2 Baco soldiering station ask AVE 3 Wera tools look up a nice little socket kit with a nylon pouch and driver bits 4 Aerokroil the best penetrant around 5 E 6000 its in Crafter's shops but it's actually industrial vibration proof water resistant glue not for UV Paint it.

[@ronnie3342]

Wow

[@vincentgallapo576]

I like your videos but I have a problem with these smart car batteries what do you do with these cars when you can't use them anymore? Because they don't degrade into the earth. I just don't have the same opinion as people who like these cars because they aren't really environmentally friendly once you can't use them anymore. But other than that I'm not hating on all your videos just on the electric cars carbon copy how they aren't earth friendly in their final stage in their lifetime.

[@RinoaL]

+Vincent Gallapo i'm not following, the nissan leaf got melted down for scrap and recycled. thats just what happens to cars when they get into a big wreck.

[@vincentgallapo576]

+Rinoa Super-Genius I'm talking about the batteries that aren't being reused by someone like you. Because when there just sitting they are basically hazardous acid waste that is being released into the environment

[@RinoaL]

Vincent Gallapo no, if they are "just sitting" that is not them "being released into the environment" them being smashed would be but not them sitting. lithium is too valuable to just let it sit, auto dealers sell it back to lithium plants where they make more batteries.

[@HDXFH]

Nearly enough to live off the grid lol

[@AngelGarage]

lol

[@seephor]

What's up with this battery fetish you have?

[@RinoaL]

+seephor i wouldnt call it a fetish, i'd call it a love for being able to power things. i do a lot of battery videos because thats what people like to see, but i'm getting sick of batteries themselves. i am now more interested in what i can do with the batteries.

[@storxusmc]

@Rinoa Super-Genius i wish you would have told us you wanted a battery like that, you could have purchased a Chevy Volt battery, I picked mine up for $900 local from junk yard for the 16kw pack