2017 BMW 1200GS Adventure (lowered) - Our thoughts and Comparison

[@stuartgc8950]

I found this video extremely useful. I am five foot eight with a thirty inch inseam. I have had a standard 17 plate GS with the lowered seat. Whilst I have enjoyed it my wife and I who ride two up most of the time have been intimidated by the bike being just that two or three centimetres to high. We managed to cope with it by lowering the suspension for her to get on and off but it. Hasn’t been practical and have had a couple of toppling near missis. Today we collected a 19 plate GSA rally lowered suspension. It is phenomenal. I didn’t test ride one so was apprehensive about how it would be. I was very apprehensive about getting a GSA lowered due to the cost and it not being right. My decision to go ahead with it was based solely on this video and I have no regrets. My wife and I feel so much safer, stable, grounded and balance on this lowered version. It is an amazing motorcycle. Thank you very much to Toby and Mark for putting together such an informative video. I hope this comment helps others in their decision making. Keep up the good work.

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey Stu, thanks so much for the kind words and we are so glad that the video helped you and your choice was right for you. A great bike indeed and its always great to hear feedback on our videos especially where we have been able to help someone make an already difficult choice about a bike. Ride safe and enjoy the bike :)

[@toqir-dar]

Hi, so glad to have read your comment. I have ordered the lowered GSA due in March this year and am 5'7". Didn't have opp to test ride the lowered version but looking forward to it. I also ordered the lower one due to the 'normal' height version making me feel uneasy.

[@TheThemorris79]

Just lowered my 2016 R1200gsa using lowering springs, it has transformed the bike for the better, I am 5'8"" with a 30"" leg. I can now flat foot it, I maneuver round carparks a lot better & it cruises better, more comfortable. New springs cost me £200 & took me 1 day to replace the springs, a bit time consuming but fairly easy job Todo.

[@ironhorsegladiator5034]

I watched this video a year before I purchased my GS and decided on the standard height and not the lowered version. Thanks guys.

[@kevinmobile]

Thanks RiderCamTV for an informative video. You commented that the RT with the lowered seat is even lower that the factory lowered GSA and I've found this certainly to be the case. For me at 5'4" (162.5 cm) and inseam 28.5" (72 cm) I can easily get both balls of the feet on the ground with ordinary shoes on the standard RT LC bike with the low seat. Perfect. Other options viewers may wish to consider are boots such as the Daytona M-Star GORE-TEX® which add around 6 cm or perhaps better still, practise and/or get some further professional training to the extent that you really don't worry about flat-footing it. The MotoGP rider Pedrossa, at 5'2", does not worry about such trifles either!

[@RiderCamTV]

No probs matey, glad you enjoyed the video. Good point about the boots too. Ride safe :)

[@ktp_the_other_one]

Thanks for the pro tip! I`ll check out the boots.

[@Menang_Efisien]

This is very useful to me as BMW does not have this bike to try out, and all the bike that is coming in now has already got buyer.

[@joshnnik]

I know just what you mean about the uncomfortable inner thigh bit, I’m 11.5 stone, 5’10” with 33” trouser leg and although I’ve only sat on showroom bikes the normal bike gave me it whereas the low suspension/seat didn’t. I exchanged my Africa twin for a T120 because I hated the height when dealing with adverse camber at junctions two up . I can’t try the GS till this lockdown is relaxed.

[@alanmorgan-jones5195]

I am 71 years old & ride a 1200gsa, 2017 , low chassis in white. Yes identical to yours. I have a 29inch inseam & have no problem in handling it. Only one gripe is that it keeps going into limp mode. BMW main dealers have it now but are unable to shed any light on the cause. I have researched this fenomina & it appears the exhaust valve butterfly is a common problem. Have you ever had or heard of this problem, yours in despair. Like your style of video delivery.

[@adammfharris]

It hasn’t happened to mine, but I have friends that it has happened to. It’s not a big problem, and easy enough to repair!

[@darvaish4552]

loved your sense of humour which wasn't on some one else's expense, it was lovely to watch it, and please do keep up more videos coming along. you are naturally good at your job. down to earth and funny.

[@RiderCamTV]

+mian isbah rehman thanks so much for the kind words it means a lot. Glad you enjoyed the video :)

[@I-am-not-a-number]

I am 5'8, I have had the standard 1200 with the low seat, but now I have the lowered 1250. The foot pegs seemed a bit high when I swapped over but I much prefer the lower version. The steering seems more direct too.

[@requis6051]

Glad I found this, I'm 6ft and am picking up a lowered GSA tomorrow. It felt great on a test ride and I'm sure maneuvering it in and out of my postage sized garage will be easier but I was concerned about whether the lowered one was the right thing - TBH the decision wasn't based on anything more than availability and cost of the bike but I'm sure it will be great

[@adammfharris]

What did you think of it?

[@johnasbury9915]

Just got an ‘18 lowered R1200GSA & it is phenomenal! I had an ‘10 R1200GS & this newer one is so much easier to handle. Love this bike!!

[@nikkastellorizios6585]

Great video , I’m a shirt rider about 164 cm. Your review has inspired confidence on the big BMW GS”s to try out. Thank you.

[@TheDervMan]

Your videos do make me chuckle. Never stopped to think about the differences in bike height, everyday's a school day. Thanks guys.

[@RiderCamTV]

+DervMan thanks mate. We like to have fun :)

[@cperos123]

Great video! I did not look at the GS because of its intimidating height. I’m 5 feet 7 and nearly 80 years old and I want to have my 2 feet on the ground when I have to move the bike. I didn’t see the lower GS before I got the R1200R 2017. It was interesting to me that you noticed the light steering in the lower GS as I noticed on the R that is also low. It feels much better than my F800GT that I traded in. I will look for a short GS to give it a try. My only problem with my R1200 is that I cannot stop smiling when I ride.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Chuck Perosio I know what you mean mate. My bike makes me smile when I look at it and ride it. It's a fab bike and the lowered one was awesome. Ride safe :)

[@patrickwatson4058]

Don’t apologize for the wind noise, it was a great video. I also liked the happy dog panting in the background! Cheers

[@IanTed]

Time to change, thinking of GSA Triple Black, I’m 5’9” with 29” inside leg, need to check the difference at dealer as my only concern is the extra ride height...great video.

[@RiderCamTV]

Thanks for the kind words matey. You’ll love it :)

[@eddybedder2865]

I love the humor of you Brit's! Thank's Governor!

[@RiderCamTV]

Thanks buddy :)

[@valteraamodt3818]

My girlfriend have a 2015 gsa lowered. You get less ground clearense and footpegs hit the ground with less lean angle. Because of the shorter shocks it gets much harder suspension you loose the good thing about gs driving on bumpy roads and off road. My girlfriend is 165cm high she tried my standard gsa 2015 on bad roads she was shocked over the differense between the bikes she wanted to sell her bike after that and by a standard one. I changed the shocks, senter stand and side stand to standard and kept the low seat now shes happy again she also driving offroad. Dont by the low gs before you have tried it with a low seat.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Valter Aamodt thanks for the info and comments. Sounds like quite a difference. Most of my riding is on road so wouldn't affect me but very interesting to hear. Always worth trying them both before deciding which one your gettting ;)

[@hughjones5832]

Valter Aamodt Yes absolutely right, ground clearance and comfort loss! Used to dispatch in London with a 1100GS back in the day, put around 130,000 miles on it and it is a truly great all rounder plus you can really crank it, grinding out pegs, knee slide it and drift both tyres in the dry too; just crank it way over and over gas it, lots of fun. Most fun is out riding sport bike riders, out brake them ( no dive ) then hit really hard counter steer with those wide bars and fly past them around the bends, roundabouts even more fun again (in the UK, I now live in NZ)

[@zyzu2960]

Well another nice video include with this guy reveal the true gs capability. Ya, this as well mentioned that 160cm able to ride this bike👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJOTpKhqmq2dsJo

[@BarbaryStudio]

Thank you so much for this great share, I own the r 1200 gs lc 2014 normal version (not the lowered one) and my feet don't touch the ground on both sides. I want to upgrade to a adventure model only my size is 165 cm. If drive the gas 2016 my feets don't touch the ground only with one foot on the ground. A question to you guys will my feet touch on both sides the ground if I buy the adventure 2017 or 2018 and make some tweaks on it for lowering the motorcycle. I don't want to use the quality it where the BMW gs is build for

[@decoratingelements7748]

great comparison video... when I was in the market in June I wished to find a video like this showing the difference between the 2 side by side, but there was nothing, anyway, I did go with the lowered GSA and never looked back...its an awesome machine that so far after 3000km I am yet to find fault in the riding position, comfort, ergonomics or weight/height proportions...add the quick shift into the mix and its a dream...great review guys

[@RiderCamTV]

+Colin 1200gs glad you got the bike you wanted and yeah, the lowered bike is just awesome :)

[@zzxx33mh]

Yes..its seem there's a big difference..mm change a lot..nice comparison..the lower version is a good option for some but there are always some cons..

[@RiderCamTV]

+SoloRide ZX there definately are always pros and cons. :)

[@buyaqub]

Hi , glad you got the dream bick, could you tell me what is your height?

[@decoratingelements7748]

@@buyaqub 5'8 with a 31" inseam ...even works with the seat in the high position though i prefer it in the lower for comfort

[@oayan34]

Thank you very much for this video. I really enjoyed it. Next time, it will be very helpfull for us, when you are share your thoughts and coparisons during offroad rides. We really need to know about the ground clearance at offroad.

[@Muckyfellrunner]

Thanks for the comparison. I’m 5’4”, 26” inside leg and currently have a 2015 RT with the low seat. I tried a standard GS with a low seat a couple of months ago and wasn’t sure about it due to the lack of wind protection and it wasn’t as responsive as the RT in handling. When the RT was in for a service and MOT the other week, I wanted to try the GS again, but the dealers only had a lowered GSA available. Could just about managed it with the rear preload down but it affected the handing and that put me off. However, I felt I had more wind protection on the GSA than the GS. Loved the new LCD display and am still a little tempted to get one if the next RT isn’t suitable. Sorry for the long comment!

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey mark. Thanks for the comment. Great bikes indeed.

[@stej484]

I'm 6ft and still had the lower version. Purely because of the reaching for the floor thing on cambered roads. I find it superb to ride. The footpeg to seat position remains unchanged on the lowered version so the riding feel should be exactly the same for comfort. Wiuld prefer the pillion seat to be stepped slightly higher for the wife and that would give better pelvic support but that might be an aftermarket solution to get. Good video boys, cheers.

[@RiderCamTV]

+stej484 thanks for the kind words matey, it is a great bike and I'm seriously considering one for next time :)

[@fiveowaf454]

It seems unless you intend to off road where the ground clearance is an issue the lowered version would be better for just about everyone, the lower center of gravity has to have benefits in addition to putting your feet down and just getting on and off the bike.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Fiveo waf totally agree mate ;)

[@DrummerboyUK1]

Great vid chaps, I've just subscribed to the channel.. I've got a new GSA te exc. on order with low chassis and, like you I am 6ft but have a 32" inside leg. I was a little unsure as to whether the lowered one was the right choice. I do a lot of touring fully loaded and often with pillion so decided the extra security offered by the low chassis was the way to go. Your video has definitely confirmed my decision as being the correct one! Thanks fellas..!

[@buyaqub]

@@DrummerboyUK1 hi Drummer boy, I have the same concerns, the same height and the same feeling, could you please inform me after 2 years now if you did the right decision for buying the low suspension?

[@robertmarsh3588]

The lower suspension version of the GSA just has standard GS suspension. Seat to footpeg distance should be identical standard GSA and seat to ground will be very similar to the standard GS, not withstanding the slight difference in physical seat thickness between GS and GSA seats which means the seat to floor dimension isn't quite the same. FWIW, I'm over 6ft tall and have a 32" inside leg, but intend to get a lowered GSA when I eventually replace my RT as I like the extra legroom of the GS/GSA compared to the RT.

[@andrewtofts7884]

Really interesting comparison guys, particularly when you incorporated the RT. I like my GSA to be tall; when riding solo with just my top box on, I always set the suspension in 'one rider plus luggage' and solo with my panniers on I go for 'two rider' position. I am 6'2" and am happy with just the balls of my feet being on the ground; this is my personal preference. The only slight down side of having the bike set so high, is settling it on its side stand; because the bike is so high, it leans over quite a bit before the stand touches the ground. I just love this bike; rode from Lincoln to Norwich and back over the weekend and had a ball. Cheers, Andy

[@RiderCamTV]

+Andrew Tofts I like the normal version too but after riding the lowered one I think i need to ride it some more to think about getting one when I change mine again soon

[@bobvandick2546]

I’m seriously considering the bmw for my next bike and being able to flat foot it is high on my priority list. I’m a tad over 5’9” and it sounds like the short model will be the one to check out.

[@RiderCamTV]

Great choice Bob, I’d check them both out to be honest to see how you go with them but the lowered version is as fab as the standard so you won’t lose any performance or feel :)

[@bobvandick2546]

Will do. Thanks for the advise 😊

[@usagundog]

Enjoyed your video.I'm 5'8" with a 29" inseam. I started out with the 800GS. I believe it was the same height as the standard 1200. I could only put one foot on the ground at a time. Currently I'm on a 2017 factory lowered 1200GS (with a Russell seat)and it's working out great.If your considering an aftermarket seat such a the Russell All Day Saddle, and your height challenged, you definitely want the lowered bike. With the Russell seat in the high position front, low rear, I have to slide a little forward and can get the balls of my feet on the ground both sides. If I had a Russell seat on a standard suspension there is no way I'd ever touch the ground.

[@RiderCamTV]

+J Hull hey mate, thanks for the info, particularly about the seat. Ride safe :)

[@johnclifford1911]

I bought the '17 GSA low suspension after going to my BMW dealer looking at the RT. The dealer suggested I ride the regular GS with low suspension, but I didn't like the wind at speed on the freeway (and anyone who buys one of these for long trips is going to spend a lot of time at speed on pavement), and the lack of the fairing like the RT was telling. The dealer suggested I try the GSA variant, as the larger tank acted as a fairing, and I decided to humor him... and fell in love. The GSA is the perfect long distance touring bike for pavement and gravel/dirt... but despite many peoples' contentions it is is not a dirt bike, and riding on hard trails risks breaking the bike and the rider.With pure gas (no ethanol), the bike gives in the high 40s or better for MPG, and the 30L tank will go 300 miles easily between fillups. The mileage suffers greatly, though, once you get above 60 mph/100 kph, though. But it's easy to ride, easy to maneuver, easy to balance with its low center of gravity, etc.Perhaps the RT is a better pure road bike, but forget riding on dirt roads for any distance. Perhaps the new Gold Wing is also a better road bike, but gets nowhere near the mileage or range... and it has a smaller tank to boot. I can't see a better bike for long journeys, whether or not you're planning to ride off pavement. And, it is the only adventure bike for people with less than a 32" inseam.

[@RiderCamTV]

Great comments John. Totally agree. Love my gsa. And got nearly 400 miles out of the tank on a recent tour too ;)

[@deanshaw2128]

Hi John, I bought the 2017 GSA (low) too, in Australia, and have since put over 55k kms on the clock having ridden around and across the country both ways. I absolutely agree with your comments but have to add that having done thousands of kms of dirt roads, I can say the GSA can handle a bit of rough and hasn't broken yet - though some of those roads have tried to break me a couple of times !! Best all round touring/adventure bike ever, and at 5'8" the lowered version gives me so much more confidence. There may be a slight trade off in suspension, but that has never worried me or caused any issue. Cheers.

[@gyroplaneking]

I’ve just bought a low GSA and love it, feel more confident on it than my mates normal one. Only thing is my boot is getting slightly thinner due to cornering 😀

[@thebeardedyorkshireman8368]

I was between the lowered chassis and the normal gs with a lower seat. I went for the normal gs with lower seat option. I have the boss on the bike most of the time and I preferred the suppleness of the normal suspension

[@RiderCamTV]

Excellent matey. Lovely bikes. Ride safe

[@TheJorherrera]

Gracias por el vídeo me gusto la comparación entre la RT y la versión Normal (R1200gs) , muchas gracias Saludos

[@turbo3492]

Hi guys,excellent informative video thanks.I'm 5ft 9 with 29" inside leg,currently I ride a 2014 GS with just the low seat and I can almost flat foot the bike.Now looking to buy a new GS factory lowered version which comes with lowered suspension and a low seat,don't need a 30 litre tank or the extra weight the GSA offers,I have a 150 mile arse you see! Happy days ahead. Ride safe.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Brian smith great stuff. Great bike your getting. Ride safe :)

[@christopherdegutis9051]

Have only had the lowered version and it's great

[@07mickd]

great comparison video nice to see good old cornwall,miss it some times but love living in brisbane australia now keep the vids coming

[@RiderCamTV]

+07mickd hey mate thanks for the kind words as it really means a lot. Glad you enjoyed the video:)

[@krytenLister]

I've had two standard height GS (low seat) but found them hard work when coming to a stop trying to work out which foot I was going to put down based on road condition\angle\camber etc... It was close a few times where I missed tiny bits of gravel and the ball of my foot slipped taking the bike over - I jarred my knees many times trying to catch the bike. In the end I tested a lowered XR and preferred the slightly lower height and weight (aside from the ballistic engine :-) ). I would definitely have another GS, but this time would look at a lowered suspension option first.

[@RiderCamTV]

Great stuff matey, the lowered version is as amazon as the standard version but as you say helps with that missed foot placement at times. Great bike. Meier safe :)

[@motovloggingwithvman2188]

Yup, got the lowered version just for all the reasons you have mentioned here!

[@RiderCamTV]

Great skills! Amazing machine. Hope you have many happy hours and miles on it :) Ride safe ;)

[@gillianbrodie6807]

Can you tell me if both the front and rear suspension is lowered? Thanks for the video. 😃👍

[@adityaprakashdevdogra8657]

Thanks. Was over at Lutyens motorad, the dealer in Delhi India, comparing the GSA LC. And yes the lower one is a lot more comfortable vs the slightly jittery on toes positioning on the regular GSA. Unfortunately they only have the triple black, a colour not appealing to me! And yes they can give me the blue white in LC; but that'll be about ₹1,00,000 or $1500 more! Because it's the Rallye package. Sometimes the BMW pricing indicates a con job for sure :-)

[@RiderCamTV]

Yeah sometimes it’s hard to see where the extra money goes for sure. Ride safe buddy :)

[@JoaquinChea]

Love how well engineered the bikes are. These bikes are pricey to buy, what are the service intervals, do they require lots of maintenance, is the maintenance expensive? My fear is I can afford to buy one but, not sure if I could afford to keep it maintained.

[@RiderCamTV]

hey mate, yeah they can be pricy although a second hand one (1 or 2 years old) can be a real deal. They have good service intervals really. After the first 600 mile on, they are roughly about 6,000 miles or 10,000 kilometers www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/en/experience/engineering/safety/maintenance-intervals.html

[@m1ckyd1999]

the lowered GSA handles much better than the normal GS, I have owned both. However Off Road the lowered GS has issues due to clearance.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Michelle Dolan thanks for the info :) I found it better at slow manoeuvring but guess as you say may have issues off-road with the lower ground clearance :) Ride safe

[@AndiOliverI]

Now on standard GS, but now curious to try GSA, thanks for video.

[@RiderCamTV]

They are both fab bikes matey.

[@osamabinladen824]

@@RiderCamTV What's the difference?

[@RiderCamTV]

Jannib Andelo Bayutas we think the quick shift has been updated which makes all the difference. Ride safe.

[@lynsmith1096]

Another good video guys and it is nice that some manufactures are giving this option as I am short so most of the bikes I buy have to be lowered

[@RiderCamTV]

+Lyn Smith thanks matey :) Is good to have both options

[@smedders]

Not trying to be negative guys, but you're comparing centre stand length. Yes the lowered suspension model has a shorter centre stand, but is it exactly in proportion to the lower height of the suspension?, I dunno. Given that, then the only true way to compare is with the bikes being held upright, with the same luggage etc loaded. I tried both and at 5'8", went for the standard height model, a good video showing you flat footed though 👍

[@richardharrod378]

Wow. This has opened my eyes up to the bigger GS. I have a F700GS, but little small for two up IMO. Thanks

[@RiderCamTV]

Thanks for the kind words matey. They are both great bikes but the GS May be a little better for riding two up. Ride safe

[@richardharrod378]

I now have the 2018 low R1200GS. Love it, just tonight took wife for first ride on new bike. Win win for us!

[@Big-Si2253]

What about the distance between seat and footpegs?....Is that the same between the 2 GSA's? (i.e is your knee angle the same?)

[@markholroyd5365]

I believe that the only change is the height from the ground. Ride safe

[@72launchpad]

With the windscreen a smaller screen normally is better. On my 1200LT BMW went to a smaller screen from the original and it was much more manageable and cleaner. They stated the large screen had a lot more drag and buffeted the air more while the smaller one was stiffer and had less buffet so less turbulent to the rider. Sure enough the smaller screen was a better ride. This also was an engineer design change from BMW so not sure if all bikes will benefit from the change.

[@RiderCamTV]

ineteresting stuff buddy, thanks for sharing :)

[@stuartboyd6340]

The smaller screen has spent a lot of time in the BMW wind tunnel ,after market larger screens wont of had any

[@serious_in_seattle6917]

Cute dog, too! You should have included it more in your video 🐶

[@paulwhitmore297]

Hi both, really informative videos, keep up the good work. Just a quick question about standard and lowered suspension variants, isn't it more about inside leg measurement that's body height, I'm 6ft 1in, but most of that is body with stumpy legs 😩, so still no clearer on which would suit me better, other than going into a dealer and trying them out. Rather than your heights can you advise on your inside leg measurements which would give me a better idea on whether I'd be bale to touch the ground with both feet as you do in the vid ? Info greatly appreciated 👍

[@RiderCamTV]

of course, we are 33 and 32 inside legs. hope that helps, but the bike is lower. as you say the only true test os to try them both. its a lot of money to gamble without trying them :)

[@ericstephenson3607]

Hi Guys, very informative video, I'm about 5.9 with 32in inseam, local dealer has gsa rallye te coming in with lower suspension only done 2000mls.

[@AffyNoX]

It's good to have choices and bmw provided that. The standard windshield is just fine with me, no need for an aftermarkets. I ride the standard 2016 GSA.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Roda Roda with you on that one :)

[@dingbatbell01]

I had a test ride on a GSA standard. I couldn't put my feed flat on the floor only tip toes. I asked the guy at the dealership if the seat was in the high position and he said no, it was in the lower position. So I bought a Triple Black lowered. When I got the bike I found that I could put both feet flat on the floor in both the high and low seat setting. I now ride with the seat in the high position.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Alan Bell excellent stuff. Ride safe :)

[@MrGabimizrahi]

How tall are you.

[@lujanhugogonzalez3805]

I'm 1.68 ,Love that middle bike , great video

[@tking686]

Thanks for this video This helps me make my mind up and go for the lowered version. Off to the dealer next to part with some dollars (I'm in Chicago)

[@RiderCamTV]

+Terence King no probs mate. Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the kind words, it means a lot. Make sure you ride the lowered one to be 100% sure but I found it brilliant :)

[@lpete531]

Great job comparing the three 👍 enjoy all of your reviews.

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey Carl. Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoy our vids :)

[@fabioferro5068]

I guys thanks a lot for yours thoughts and comparison , very usefull to me !! I'm going to go for the lowerd one 2018 version.Ciao from Fabio , Milan -Italy .

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey mate, thanks for the kind words. Glad we were able to help out. Great choice and especially for those lovely roads out there. Ride safe matey :)

[@billyray3761]

I liked my new 2016 lowered GS so much, that I bought the 2018 GSA with TFT. When you ride out of the dealership on a new lowered GSA with TFT, you will know immediately why you spent the extra money.

[@RiderCamTV]

Excellent stuff matey, 100% with you on why people choose the lowered version. Ride safe :)

[@EnthusiasticDad]

Excellent review guys - thanks!

[@reabilitacaovet]

Hey guys! Jaime from Brazil!! I’m thinking about buy one 1250 gsa lowered, but I’m afraid that the bike will be different that the standard one. I’ m riding with my wife 80% of the time. Should I get concerned?? Thank you for the excelente and funny video!!!

[@robertrobhog]

The hight of a person does not make a big difference but the inside leg measurement does. sometimes a person 5ft 10 can have longer inseem than someone 6ft. I'm 5ft7 and 30" inseem and I would not have a chance even on the lowered version. but great video very informative.

[@RiderCamTV]

+robert robhog thanks for the info and kind words mate. Very true about the inseem:)

[@chillyfc9584]

I'm 5'8" with a 29" inseem - I've just bought a gs1200 triple black "low" and I'm almost flat footed with my boots on - There is also the option of having a "low seat" which I don't feel I need so Robert you should be ok mate.

[@joemaracic8636]

robert robhog I have 30" inseam and love my lowered GS.

[@irritatedmushroom2]

You will have no problems. I have a GSA standard height but with a low seat. I'm 5ft 6 and a half with a 30" inseam and even with my bike boots I can flat foot one foot most of the time. I've even put the low seat in the high setting and it's still generally okay. With my caterpillar boots on I can flat foot with no issues. The only thing I can't really do is put the suspension in 2-up mode and ride but I take a pillion so infrequently that it doesn't bother me.

[@michaelstewart3734]

Mark Lanyon do you have any hassles carrying a pillion as I am thinking of getting a 2018 gsa low and am 5’8” and 29 seam?

[@TheOldboydrummer]

Hello, How tall is the guy talking about the Lowered suspension R1200 GS? Thanks

[@2391jessie]

Nice content (including the comments) - keep it up lads!

[@RiderCamTV]

+David Yeo thanks matey. Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@nikkastellorizios6585]

Thank you, I’m 5”4. This was so very informative. The BM is a really top bike. But it troubles me as in reliability & maintenance cost. Can any one who owned this please , make comment ? Thankyiu

[@RiderCamTV]

thanks for the comments. Not had an issue so far, other than the cruise control switch breaking which was repaired by BMW under warranty. Im sure there will be lots of people that have had issues but thats the same with any make of bike, but for us we havent had much issues.

[@eddiebenzz]

40 % failure rate ? www.moneytalksnews.com/the-most-reliable-motorcycle-brand-not-harley/

[@harrymc9263]

Lol love the comment " lovley little bike" a GSA even a lowered one is not a little bike. I have a S.A. (short arse) version and love it. I tried a satanard version and felt it was just that little bit to tall and on the low seat but didn't want to go for the thin seat option and lose comfort. I have added a 58 litre top box to carry a large amount of camera gear in and feel that it would be much more difficult to manoeuvre around with that weight being a inch or 2 higher. If you are interested in one but think they are to tall try the lowered suspension you will be amazed at how low the are.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Harry Mclean very true :)

[@tonywheeler1281]

wondered how lowered suspension would cope with passenger as most of my riding is done with wife had a gs adventure for 5 years now

[@RiderCamTV]

+Tony Wheeler I don't think the suspension or bike would be greatly effected by pillions. It has (as the standard version does) great suspension and a few settings to change for different loads so I'm sure would cope just as well :)

[@RiderCamTV]

+Jackson Miles it certainly is. Must remember to change it back once a tour is complete though. Wondered why I had to stretch further than normal. Lol

[@diegom.8773]

Besides height, is there any other way to differentiate the low version of the standard? for example some identification in the vin

[@RiderCamTV]

not 100% sure :/

[@gordonscott2838]

So guys, Ive watched you're videos and like your approach and style! Here's the question (don't sit on the fence), I want to buy a new bike and can't decide between a lowered GSA and an RT! Nice problem to have I know, my main use will be touring - what would you choose??

[@RiderCamTV]

Hey Gordon. Thanks for the kind words. Not sitting on the fence here :) I would have the gsa. The reason for me is that although the RT is awesome and will return a better MPG as well as having more wind protection, the GSA is so much better for touring. It has all the bits the RT has as well as a massive tank that sees us getting nearly 400 miles from a tank (obviously depending on how you ride it), but the panniers are much much better. I found with the RT the panniers presented a few problems with packing them because of their shape whereas the GSA has square panniers allowing for the easy pacing. They also come with all the crash bars and lights so no need to worry about damaging plastic etc if a mishap were to happen. I would love another RT but every time I tour inside I’m glad I got the GSA and will get another this year rather than going to the RT. That’s not to say I wouldn’t have an RT but for us touring the GSA does everything and some! Personally I’d get the GSA. Hope that helps ;)

[@markholroyd5365]

Gordon a GSA for all the reasons stated. I ride Blood Bike RT's and while they are nice they don't make me smile... I'm on my fourth GSA. People slag them off but they do everything that I need and then some.

[@desantos1234]

How tall is the guy in the blue shirt? May have been mentioned in the video, must have missed it.

[@markholroyd5365]

Desantos123 he is 1.90m

[@Adrian2b1]

My question is: (sorry I know you may have covered this already, new subscriber here) what if I already have a regular height GS1200 and wanted it lowered after the fact? Are there any options other than trading for a lower version, is changing the dynamics of the bike after production, not feasible?

[@BikerDarren24]

www.adventurebikeshop.co.uk/suspension/touratech-replacement-springs-20mm-lower-bmw-r1200gsa-lc-r1250gsa-original-shocks-w-dynamic-esa/

[@Adrian2b1]

BikerDarren24 thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Happy to see that the side and center stand remain the same, and bike balance untouched. Was considering turning the bike in.

[@garysmythe9545]

Interesting video guys - thanks. Is the lowered frame option an extra cost ? Also - what was the seat cover item - just back from a round trip from Bristol to Wadbridge, Perranporth and home again (great day out) but the posterior did get a little numb so wondered if this was some sort of enhancement - or was it just an item of roadkill for the Bar-B-Q?Cheers

[@RiderCamTV]

+Gary Smythe hey mate, thanks for the kind words. Sounds like you had a great ride! The version we had was a factory lowered version and I think they are the same price but you would have to check with your dealer. The thing on marks seat was an air hawk which he swears by. You can get various sizes etc and they work with being inflated a little to allow you to move around when riding. They are good :)

[@manusk40]

extra £185 to have a lowered version from my research anyway...

[@ironhorsegladiator5034]

"Is the lowered frame option an extra cost ?" No

[@czuczups]

Great review, keep them coming! :) The lowered version is the only i can go for :P

[@RiderCamTV]

+przechuj2217 cool glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the kind words matey :)

[@robertobaezatorres5389]

Hello do you know the suspension travel front and rear in the lower version ?, thanks

[@RiderCamTV]

Hi, not off hand but there is a good thread here that may help advrider.com/index.php?threads/2016-r1200gs-adventure-low-suspension.1174346/

[@stevec9957]

I’ve now had a 2017 rt and 2017 gsa low chassis. Hands down for me I prefer the gsa low. The gsa is much easier to handle in intense urban traffic. I miss the rt’s hill hold feature and brake safety feature that illuminates the tail light when downshifting using quick,shift. The gsa is rock solid in 40mph side winds with large semis on the highway. However, the rt has better wind protection and slightly more comfortable. Pick your poison....

[@RiderCamTV]

+steve chavez i love the gsa but also the rt. the hill hold break is coming to the 2018 gsa but intil then we have to wait. Definitely gotto pick which one but wish the gsa had those bits we love from the rt. :)

[@ldesp3430]

I may have missed it in the video but did you tell us exactly what the seat height is on the lowered version?

[@sachinsachin8007]

Thanks for the great video guys. I am 5ft 5. Been riding GSA for few years ensuring the height. Thinking of lowering so that I can enjoy the ride rather than endure the ride. adv which lowering options. Suspensions or hyper pro?

[@COOLCABMAN]

Plz can u tell what is the seat height of lowered version

[@giorgionucci4863]

what about the comfort of the suspension? I had a GSA2017 (not lowered) and now I have a 2018 RT that is good but not as smooth as the GSA as far as the suspension are concerned. So I'm curious if you noticed differences in suspension behaviour with the lowered one.

[@RiderCamTV]

hey matey, thanks for the question. The suspension for the lowered version was as good as the standard version, still very comfortable indeed :) . Ride Safe

[@LookattheBiggerPic]

But how was it off road compared to std GSA? I found the RT to be quite a bit different and would get one but only pure road-only adventure...

[@RiderCamTV]

The ground clearance is fine for camp sites and the odd rough road (same as the std gsa as I haven’t done proper off road.........yet) but bmw have vids of them scooting along off road so sure it would be fine. Most of our riding is on roads etc. Eek!

[@pashleypashley4527]

How was the bike lowered? Other link? Other suspension springs? Other shocks? Spacer in the rear and just dropping the front crowns? thx!

[@markstrawbridge9133]

would have been an idea to see you on your own bike to compare!

[@forkinpig]

With all of this, if you could only tell us your height, things would become so much clearer with visual reference of seeing you sitting on the bike.

[@markholroyd5365]

forkinpig we are both around 1.80 m

[@moody9931]

Why are your legs higher up on the lowered GSA? Have they raised the pegs too? Thought it was just a lower suspension set up with everything else staying the same.

[@RiderCamTV]

certainly didnt notice our legs being higher up but the bike felt exactly the same as the standard version other than the feeling of a heavier front end which we found quite good

[@moody9931]

@@RiderCamTV lol I should have been clearer. You mention your legs are higher up in the vlog, making it more comfortable on your thighs. I've potentially misunderstood your point, it happens 😀 Just found your channel, you've got some good stuff thank you 👍

[@hans6304]

Gidday mates hope I'm not too late to join the conversation! I'm unfortunately very short at 153 cm but wish to ride a GS 1200. I wonder if we can lower the standard GS with low profile seat and customize/replace the suspensions? I'm thinking of getting a second hand standard GS. Cheers and ride safe!

[@RiderCamTV]

hey buddy, never too late to join a conversation. You can get an array of seat of which some are lowered. If they can reduce the height of a new one, i cant see why it isnt possible to lower an existing one... might have to check at your local dealers though :)

[@hans6304]

@@RiderCamTV thanks for the kind respose. Best wishes for your journeys and stay safe brothers!

[@parkerwhite9416]

Hi i just wonder the reaction of lowered suspension. Is it exactly same ?

[@RiderCamTV]

+Parker White it felt exactly the same although the front seemed heavier which I liked :)

[@Simulera]

RiderCamTV I suspect that the trail is changed. If they don’t change the rake or other geometry, but lower the bike, it sort of has to. The bike suspension quality should not be affected if they use links or modified mounts and the shock travel is mostly unaffected, post sag. Handling might change. It would be amazing if they some how also limited the loss of clearance. It’s a multvariable optimization problem. I currently have a 2012 r1200gsa and a.) do not find myself dragging the skid plate over stuff even though I ride off road or on dirt/ gravel a significant amount of the time, probably 30% of the time, so a bit lower doesn’t worry me b) have often wished for a bit lower bike in off camber rocky crap with one foot down (pick which one as the ruts and rock demand) or on a steep uphill off camber traffic light intersection on a hot day or in the rain etc c.) prefer everything about the gsa to the gs, they’re not the same in seeming small but critical ways. I have a low aftermarket seat and ölins mechatronic suspension to help with things but now the new bike finally is legit lower and assuming the suspension reaction is still as good, I may finally see a reason to bother with water cooling. I love my last gen R1200GSA oil head engine. Transmission is a bit grindy and clunky but the enduro ratios are awesome in the rough. But incredibly capable mule and even two-up with luggage at speed on a divided hiway the plush suspension and power is just great at 80mph, passing etc. once living with the bmw road and trail vision (I’ve lived with an r80 g/s, r100gs/pd, r1150gs and this r1200gsa, 8 other bmws and 38 total motorcycles over nearly 50 years) other great bikes always wind up seeming like less to me than a GSA. I wish they would concentrate on lightening the bike. The bike is really too heavy and there should be a way to remove significant amounts during design while still maintaining the spirit of the galände/strasse intent. I want the hill control brake thing in the interim! I will get a low 2020 more than likely. If the earth and I both survive another 8 months or so....

[@davjoseph]

does Lowered GSA bottom out during off-road or gravel roads....I stay in India and would be riding more of 80 % road and 20% off-road, gravelled roads and no roads conditions..... does lowering the suspensions have any other cons on the bike other than mentioned in your video

[@RiderCamTV]

Hi David. Thanks for the comments. The lowered version still has a good ground clearance and should be fine as bmw use them as well as the standard bikes on their off road courses. It’s a great bike that is so versatile you’ll love it :)

[@123JumpingJacks]

You mentioned s recall. This lowered version might be my next bike I want it for highway only. No off road. It is a cheaper choice than the st or a goldwing. But I fear re all and repairs. What is your thoughts on reliability?

[@RiderCamTV]

+123JumpingJacks hey mate. Thanks for the question. In terms of reliability I’ve had several BMW’s now and a few GS’s and GSA’s and they have never really let me down. I have had a switch gear replacement on my RT and GSA and also the exhaust valve thingy (I’m not technical) as you probably guessed but other than the replacing brake discs tyres etc I’ve always found BMW reliable. On the occasions that I have had an issue (speed sensor damage while in France going over gravel) I rang BMW and they were brilliant in sorting it out. I’ve also had friends use BMW warranty etc while away to repair switch gear and front forks and it all gets sorted really well. I guess having such a market share your not really that far from a BMW dealer and getting fixed isn’t a huge huge issue. Hope that helps :)

[@123JumpingJacks]

RiderCamTV big help thanks

[@RiderCamTV]

+123JumpingJacks no probs matey

[@johnclifford1911]

I think the GSA is as reliable as the Hondas, given that you apply the recalls to the front suspension. Ensuring the final drive has sufficient lube on its splines is another checkpoint... and good to do at the first major service interval (6K?). Other than that, the current LC GSA has been on the market for five years now, and the bugs have been worked out. The engine itself is an evolution of a decades' old design and makes its power the simple way... big pistons moving at lower RPMs compared to something like the ST... and that's why it has better fuel economy (the ST1300's V4 is a powerful engine, but doesn't get good mileage, and the GW is even worse). Take care of the bike, follow the maintenance schedule, don't unnecessarily abuse it, and it should last 100,000 miles or more without major issues. I'd own the new Gold Wing, too (not the pre-'18 ones) and I'm sure it will be reliable as well, but it's $7K to $10K more expensive with the same features, e.g., cruise control, and it would not be a good bike to ride to the North Slope of Alaska or take the Dempster highway with, much less go around the world... unlike the GSA. Or even to ride well-groomed forest roads.

[@PetjeKV]

i am 165cm do i fit the lowerd version?

[@shanecorrigan8427]

Great video lads. I'm just ordered my 2018 adventure. I saw your video where you fitted the wunderlich screen which I was going to get. I noticed that in this video you said that the original may be better. Have you retried the original or would you still recommend the wunderlich? Thanks!

[@RiderCamTV]

+Shane Corrigan hey matey, congrats on your choice. It’s an exceptional bike and I’m sure you’ll love it :) As for the screen, I’ve stuck with the wunderlich one and it’s awesome. The stock one was just too low for me. Enjoy your new ride :)

[@shanecorrigan8427]

Thanks for the reply!

[@RiderCamTV]

+Shane Corrigan no probs matey :)

[@michaelwilliams3861]

Hi guys, Ive just picked up the Rallye lowered version, im 5'6" with a 29 inch inseam, i can get the balls of my feet on the floor. Awsome bike.

[@RiderCamTV]

excellent stuff Michael, awesome machine.. we love them and sure you will too :) Ride Safe

[@RiderCamTV]

No probs. Enjoy :)

[@shahzadakram1232]

I’m only 5ft 4inch I would struggle on the lower one as well what you think

[@Clungedoctor]

Shahzad Akram get some stilettos

[@Jake-tt6mk]

At 5'7" it was my only option ...and I`ve zero regrets as I`m able to go anywhere my mates go. What`s really weird though, in my opinion at least, is that my brand new Triumph Bobber doesn`t handle anywhere near as good as my Bavarian pig. If I ever have to choose between the two ...the Beemer stays! Cheers

[@RiderCamTV]

+Jake1970 Beemer all the way! :)

[@seanviper99]

Hi, great video. Apart from the viewers actually seeing the difference you need to make a trip to BMW and feel the difference yourself. A std R1200 without lower seat I was on my tippy toe's, one with just the lower seat I was flat foot and I'm under 6 ft so I was happy with that. Also Where did you guys get the reflective stickers on the rear luggage on the lowered bmw

[@markholroyd5365]

BlueKnight001 eBay

[@MrPaulo1400]

Nice video, I have the GSA LC 2015 lowered and I am happy of my choice because I like to have both feet on the floor when I am off road and also when I ride with pillion and with the bike set up for two; I still have good confidence. And I am 181cm, and the sales guy didn't understand why I was choosing the low version. I almost failed during a road test exactly on a leaned road on one side and I almost let down the bike...then I told myself that I didn't want to struggle every time I was taking the bike. Cheers

[@RiderCamTV]

+MrPaulo1400 thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it. Sensible choice mate, I certainly found it nice to be a little lower :)

[@shamoy1000]

I don't get it. Lowering the suspension doesn't change the riders position at all. The distances from the top of the wind screen to the seat to the foot pegs are all still the same. Your arse is just closer to the ground with the frame lower. Same as if you put smaller wheels on it.

[@RiderCamTV]

+chas sisom it is strange but it felt a different position, although rides the same, the steering was heavier which I liked.

[@ripmax333]

Whats the rider inseam? The one with the blue shirt.

[@RiderCamTV]

about 32 inch :)

[@daveboothroyd3421]

We can see your waist size, but what is your inseam? Pretty important to know when making a judgment about what you are talking about.

[@RiderCamTV]

32inch, hope that helps

[@rogermorello9910]

Awesome video mate, just what I needed to see as Im caught between the two and will have to make up my mind in exactly a year, as Im going for it. Seems that at 5'10" the lowered version is the sensible option for every good reason. Thanks.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Roger Morello no probs matey, glad it helped. Ride safe :)

[@marliton]

Hi. The “lowered suspension” version is the same as “lowkit” version?

[@RiderCamTV]

same I think yeah

[@billyray3761]

Massive thumbs up!

[@RiderCamTV]

+Billy Ray thanks dude :)

[@iterm1]

what panniers are this ?

[@RiderCamTV]

They are the bmw metal ones. Same as the touratech ones but with BMW’s logo on them :)

[@obiwavy]

Interesting video, thanks, the more so as I'm such a short arse. It would make more sense to me knowing how tall you are and your inner leg measurement.

[@RiderCamTV]

+Davy Larkins thanks for the kind words matey. I'm 5'11 and 32 inch leg. Hope this helps :)

[@obiwavy]

RiderCamTV Bugger I hoped you were shorter, 😂 GS is my dream bike but at 5.5/30 probably not .... Sigh

[@RiderCamTV]

+Davy Larkins that's a shame. I would say try one out for size first, but on top of the lowered version you could also get a low seat so that may help :)

[@davidphillips1211]

May I ask how tall you are?

[@markholroyd5365]

1.8m ride safe