2017 Ford F-150 10-Speed Ike Gauntlet Review: World's Toughest Towing Test

[@spencersecord3073]

It would be nice if at the end of these videos you showed a score board that shows the past score from the other trucks you've run so we can easily see how they all stack up.

[@donleamon8653]

Still think the 87 down here in AZ in the summer is tougher. 6-7% grade, with HEAT. Brings a lot of trucks to their knees. It would be interesting to see how well that Ford (err all of them for that matter) would do down here when you start out at 110+ degrees and top out at Mt. Ord at 90+ in August. I know my stupid DuraMaxipad would go into self preservation limp mode every time pulling my toy hauler (which was well within the tow weight specs of the truck). Same thing going up to Flag on the 17.

[@johnathanyinger]

True, but most of the trucks aren't available to them during the summer.

[@franka12404]

TFL I would like to see this test please! I think Don has it on the head heat is a bigger deal than anything else when towing lets see if these trucks can get rid of 300-400 hp of heat when its 100+

[@justinp8946]

Don Leamon I drive on the 87 all the time and I'm the summer, it is tough. My s10 2.2 struggles

[@semidemiurge]

2,000ft in 7 miles at 11,200'max elev in CO vs 3,000ft in 21 miles at 6,300' max elev ~(hwy260 turnoff and the steepest part of i-17)

[@matthewhartup941]

Air density will have a bigger impact at the higher elevation

[@JsGarage]

Wow that 10 speed and new ecoboost are beast. Didn't even break a sweat.

[@diamondheat9]

+Juan Suarez I agree with the performance and seeing such low RPMs but then I fail to see the benefit as the fuel economy was a pitiful score when the Titan gets a mpg of around 3 as well.

[@JsGarage]

I would rather have the power. That's just my preference though.

[@nd4spd325]

@Juan Suarez although a lot of NA trucks are high rpm trying to breathe... even at 3700rpm that ecoboost is doing the same. But all under high boost. Its still breathing hard. Just stressed at a lower rpm. It is pretty cool watching these videos though.

[@MADAmechanical]

Ford has the sport mode feature too which is actually recommended for mountain towing. it would have helped with the grade shifting. they could have locked out the top gears as well, or manually selected gears going uphill or downhill. the truck is built with many many tools to help your towing experience.

[@anthonyc1883]

Slightly disappointed that there was little or no discussion, until after the timed run ended at 9:05, about the engine performance. It took until that point for us to hear "Anyplace on that hill, with this 10-speed and the power, I could accelerate." I suppose if the truck were struggling it would have been a more obvious issue (tach revved out, speed dropping, etc.) but with that brand-new and still controversial Ecoboost technology I was eager for at least a couple comments as the guys were blasting up the hill. Minor quibble, but still.

[@Titantramp4u]

I agree...If it ran that good uphill you would think they would have been talking about it....what's the first thing guys want to know? "How did it pull"

[@daltonv5206]

For what it's worth, they've mentioned how well it pulled in several videos after this one. Researching Ford's offerings and I've heard it mentioned a few times now

[@rik999]

How about a emergency brake test distance where you brake to a complete stop from 55mph on dry, level ground fully loaded? How does the rig feel? Is there any squirreliness or tendency to "jack knife"? This should test the sway control in each truck.

[@guyproulx1660]

rik 999 i would love to see this test

[@davidwelsh829]

great idea

[@AkioWasRight]

The problem with the gear hunting isn't the shift shock you feel, it's the torture on the trans every time it shifts.

[@TwoBitsTube]

a little confused. if the goal is to maintain constant 60mph up the hill, what's the significance of timing the run?

[@mecheng1993]

Because not all trucks can maintain 60 mph

[@TwoBitsTube]

fair enough

[@RobertKohut]

I think in some challenges the trucks cannot maintain the 60 mph so the time then decides the "winner". Many of these tests the trucks accelerator is to the floor all the way up.

[@clintmullins4406]

They limit to 60 mph because some of the trucks can exceed the speed limit by a significant amount.

[@larryspiller15]

if they were using there noggins theyd take a vehicle with no trailer up that hill at exactly 60 the whole way to see what the perfect time is. knowing some biases i think it will show if someone was going over 60 or what ever.

[@boss123400]

Good job Ford, but I'd only buy the V-8 for durability reasons. As I mentioned last year, a 30-30-30-10 scoring system would render scores that would more closely match the traditional ABCDF system of grading. With your system, people are like wait, the winning truck got a C-? Brake down the subjective into 5 areas worth 0-2 points each or ten areas worth 0-1 point each. There's too much subjective weighting. It's more about the numbers that you are gathering. And, at the end go over those 5 or 10 areas and give us the breakdown on what those scores were. When I hear what score did you give it, and there's an "ahhhh, well, ahhhh", I can sense the hand reaching into ones posterior and pulling a number out. Sit down and work out individual areas to score and add them up on camera.

[@JohnDiMartino]

The V8 hasn’t proven to be more reliable...in fact if anything it’s been less...while it makes a lot of high rpm horsepower,it is pretty weak towing,has no torque below 4000 rpm,and struggles in a loaded f150. This V6 is an absolute monster,pulls like a diesel ....I know I bought one...it pulls as least good as my old truck an LB7 Duramax diesel .. in the uphill,once he was up to speed he never went above 3500 rpm and most times was at or under 3000 and he has pedal and power left at all times. The V 8 has to run at 5-6000 flat footed to do this run...and it’s wound and giving all its got...I love the Coyote....in a Mustang or a lighter F150 that doesn’t tow a lot...leave the heavy work for this little monster v6...

[@hollowaang5284]

That would be terrifying as hell to be broken down in a tunnel like that.

[@nighthawkmoneybaggs1660]

of course it a Chevy

[@hollowaang5284]

Mr. Spanky Fix Or Repair Daily 😂😂😂

[@ashes2ashes863]

+Mr. Spanky Spanky, your living up to your name! That's clearly an older Ford Econoline chassis. Ironically its from the era where Ford couldn't get it's vehicles to stay in park. That one seems to be standing still pretty well though!

[@randysrestoration]

"2017 Nissan Titan 1500 Ike Gauntlet" At times during test it was turning over 6000 RPM! Yeah, that engine will last a long time towing large hills . .

[@mountainhobo]

Will you guys also test the 5.0 l with the 10 speed?

[@powerboatguy2308]

They tested it last year with the same weight on the trailer, unless ford upgraded the 5.0 it will be the same results-

[@TrailTribune]

Love the channel and these Ike gauntlet videos. I just bought a new 2018 F150 4x4 with the 2.7 because of you guys and couldn't be happier!

[@williamhale1375]

TFL, please try using cruise control. Most people tow with cruise control activated. I know in the past you've stated why you don't use it, but let's try to isolate the TRUCK'S performance and eliminate driver input. Maybe do a run with cruise control activated and then a full manual run with downshifting and upshifting controlled by the driver for comparison. What does the manufactuer recommend?

[@guyproulx1660]

Willian Hale I love your idea, that would be give more accurate results

[@michaelzorrot5]

William Hale that would be a great idea!

[@Ratkill9000]

How many people actually manually downshift while towing? Probably very few with automatics.

[@williamhale1375]

I have no idea. I think it would give an indication of what is available to the driver if he/she were to use that feature.

[@djayt1215]

Doesn't almost every manufacture recommend not using CC on hills?

[@Cobb]

Wait, barring the snow and ice that may be on the roads, wouldn't summer be the most difficult time for this test since the warmer air would thin out the already thin air thus reducing power further and making it harder on the trucks?

[@fly1327]

I've been towing for 8 years with a Nissan Titan. I'm always cycling between 3rd and 4th manually depending on grade. Why go down a steep hill in the highest gear and negatively grading it based on your number of brake applications? On steep grades I drop into 3rd, engine runs up to ~ 3,500 rpm and stays there with no brakes, unless it's really steep. I don't get why you score it this way. I mean really, who runs a trailer downhill in high gear mashing the brakes? Well, maybe an auto repair technician looking for business or a big rig driver with a death wish...

[@lukestoyz]

Good review. Andre is the Man! Always informative without the bias

[@thehowtogoto6300]

that trailer check list is really cool!

[@johnd7803]

the base model looks better, no flashy chrome and only 26k that is the one id get could you guys review that one with the base engine, i think the fleet model even comes with the v8 and is still under 30k seems like more value to me

[@SteveLord]

They review what the maker gives them. If Ford wants to show off something, of course they aren't likely going to give people a barebones fleet truck. It also gives the reviewer less to talk about. "Here's the cloth seats and steel wheels...woot"

[@johnd7803]

SteveLord Youre not telling me anything i dont know

[@ChrisSmith-pg1dj]

It's always hilarious when you guys add dramatic sound effects. Keep it going!

[@VARITHMS]

I was surprised the rpms stayed so low. the low end torque is pretty good

[@AndrewArchide]

I got the Truck Nuts book for my birthday and it's super awesome and detailed. Thanks guys for making an awesome truck book!😆

[@MikeUtoober]

these new trucks are so nice but i wouldnt get an ecoboost now since ford has announced a diesel F150. i would rather just wait for the diesel F150 to come out at this point and think about getting that instead of a 3.5 ecoboost even though the ecoboost is very nice. one other thing...MANUAL TRANSMISSION! IT NEEDS IT!

[@nucl3arfamily906]

Mike Utoober: Smart man.

[@fordrac1ng81]

Not everyone will pay the extra money for a slower truck, it's still a niche market for the most part and now all the big 3 offer a diesel

[@connerbutler1077]

fordrac1ng81 well ram came out with the ecodiesel 1500 and they sold a hell of a lot more than they first expected. I see those trucks multiple times a day.

[@MikeUtoober]

Dodge 318 Cummins i would get a slower diesel over a fast gas any day. far better mpg and longer lasting. not to mention you cannot beat the sound of a diesel engine

[@nathanmcdonald610]

A manual transmission will probably never happen again in the F-150's. Hell they don't even put them in Super Dutys anymore. As far as I know the only U.S Ford's that you can still get a manual transmission in is the Mustang, Focus and maybe Fiesta, and I'd be willing to wager it's days are numbered in those vehicles as well. I grew up in 80's and 90's when manual transmissions were more predominant, but now a days it seems like people want convenience over interaction when it comes to vehicles. And as far as the diesel F-150 goes, I wouldn't hold my breath for it to be a performance monster. I think it'll likely make numbers in the neighborhood of the Ecodiesel Ram's. At the end of the day diesel 1/2 ton trucks are less about towing capacity and more about boosting government EPA ratings. The Ecoboost (and most gas V8's for the matter) will absolutely shit on the Ecodiesel in both loaded and unloaded performance. The only real advantage to buying a 1/2 ton diesel is that you can get about the same MPG as your average large family sedan out of a full size Pickup. Other than that its not worth it in my opinion. More expensive to buy, More Expensive to maintain, less performance. But to each their own.

[@TeamRudyProject]

Concerned about the 22 subjective score when Mr. Truck gave it an 18 and he was driving it. I hate to see this type of obvious partiality towards Ford regularly. Or any particular manufacturer, we look to you guys for straight up reviews.

[@82mattlopez]

Kevin Gentry , don't they both own a ram 2500 diesel?

[@TeamRudyProject]

I don't think so. 2500 Chevy. Mr. Truck has Fords and TFT owns a Raptor.

[@82mattlopez]

Kevin Gentry , well then I think it was subjective if Mr Truck gave it only a 18

[@TeamRudyProject]

Andre gave it 22 with no real explanation and to me, that seems off base since they had 10 brakes going downhill.

[@fordrac1ng81]

You should drive all 3 and find out why. 68.8 noise score, stability saving their butts when they had to change lanes, ample power.. Brake applications could have been minimized with the right settings for the tow haul mode

[@FishFind3000]

Did you activate the downhill Cruze control.

[@TFLtruck]

+FishFind3000 No. we count brake applications on the way down.

[@FishFind3000]

The Fast Lane Truck you should actives it since it would hold the speed better. Your not using the trucks features to its max potential.

[@nathanmcdonald610]

They don't use cruise during the IKE gauntlet tests. When they do the Super IKE gauntlet though, they'll use all the trucks features.

[@FishFind3000]

Nathan McDonald that I know it the truck has hill descent control. Not using that isn't using the truck to its full potential.

[@NWtinboater]

FishFind3000 Hill descent control is for off road use only, meant for less than roughly 5 mph.

[@henryperity9412]

interesting watching you guys doing proper ' real world ' tow testing. I damaged 2 good engines !? I learnt the hard way ,when towing heavy loads uphill , to never shut the engines down imeditly after a hard uphill tow , ( I use to pull into a filling station at the top of a winding 3800 ft hard uphill climb towing 7000lbs/ 3500kg boats, While filling up ,I could hear the engines boiling inside !!! Busted a Audi V6 2.8 in a 2004 Q7 and a 2002 range rover 4.6 v8 while filling up at the top of the long climbe towing). I'm just wondering if these new generation machines suffer any 'boil over ' when shutting them down after a hard uphill/mountain tow ?

[@entitledmillennial5080]

Henry Perity you're asking the real questions here.

[@mecheng1993]

This could only really be fixed if they have an electric water pump, oil pump, and trans pump as well as a cooling fan that all stay on after the truck is shut off. No manufacturer cares enough to do that because it's understood that you shouldn't beat the piss out of an engine and then just shut it off. It's hard for that heat to transfer out of the engine block when coolant and oil aren't circulating. The oil will more than likely coke up in the turbo(s) too.

[@henryperity9412]

John maybe the manufacturer's should programme the engine ecu's to nurse the engine = not shut down until cooling thresholds reached and notify driver what's the ecu is doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Treyk901]

Henry Perity the manual for my 2015 F150 Ecoboost states warmup and cool down aren't required. If I do shut my truck off when it's really hot out and have been towing I can here the fan run and what sounds like a pump.

[@MikeCris]

I stopped turning my engine off while refueling years ago.

[@chevydiesel350015]

Man super close to the 2016 Chevy with 6.2L with 3.23 rear end with 8speed, wonder if GM could beat this if they gave you guys a 6.2L with the 3.42 rear end.

[@adamaustin3373]

chevydiesel350015 They don't make it...6.2 only comes with 3.23 gear option.

[@chevydiesel350015]

Yes they do, go to Chevy website and build a 6.2L and on #5 exterior it gives you 3.23 or 3.42 as an option

[@adamaustin3373]

Humm...I'll go go that right now. I'm actually in the market to buy one now....I know they don't make the 3.73 anymore in the 5.3. I'm stuck between the 5.3 and the 6.2...not sure if it's worth $2500

[@adamaustin3373]

Humm...I'll go go that right now. I'm actually in the market to buy one now....I know they don't make the 3.73 anymore in the 5.3. I'm stuck between the 5.3 and the 6.2...not sure if it's worth $2500

[@adamaustin3373]

chevydiesel350015 ok like I thought...when u choose the 3.42 option it removes the 6.2 and adds the 5.3....I even called the guy at Chevy and asked and was told only 3.23 with the 6.2 is available. I have researched tons and thought that was the case

[@randysrestoration]

Video quality is Excellent! What camera are you using? I was watching the RPM on way up and it was between 3000-3500 rpm max. Appeared to not go below 5th gear. Watching some of the other trucks turning 4-6000+ rpm on same hill and its quite obvious which is the better tow vehicle. To really show the towing capability how about doing a WOT 0-60 mph Test run with the 9000 lb trailer? I also noticed even though the '17 Ford was capable of going much much faster at times it was under 60 mph! Why? I do watch all your video's but some of the testing is . . . Questionable

[@cfltitan]

EcoBoost EngineSwap they definitely make zero sense at all with thier stupid ass timer up the hill. What's the point when you guys hit 60 and then stay there?? Obviously every freaking truck they test is going to run the exact same time unless you get a truck that just can't maintain 60.

[@leonardalldread5852]

Yes let's see some HD gassers also don't forget the f250 loaded to the max this time

[@danmacmillan88]

What do the brake applications have to do with anything? shouldn't it just be based on how much the truck can tow max?

[@FishFind3000]

danmacmillan88 it's how well the truck can engine brake downhill without having to brake.

[@nucl3arfamily906]

danmacmillan88 it's all part of real world testing

[@Icutmetal]

No. Towing well has to do with a lot more than accelerating with a load.

[@Mebob2001]

so GM and ford did a good job on this transmission, thats good to hear

[@josephpantelidis4626]

Kevin Rogers Yeah they did, you can definitely tell in that new ZL1 Camaro too

[@ShelbygtR-wo8wh]

Also by all the reviews people like it in the new Raptor too

[@LieKiller]

Kevin Rogers Ford did a good job on the 10 speed trans, since Ford was engineering lead and obtained all the patents for it. Hopefully GM does as good of a job on the joint venture 9-speed transaxle in return.

[@MrNismopro]

Isn’t there a recall for the 10 speed now?

[@vanlurton6068]

Thanks for the review! I am considering this '17 f150 with 3.5 EB v6 & max towing option, to tow my 24' boat, 7500 lbs to 8000 lbs combined weight for the boat and trailer depending on fuel in the boat. It's mostly flat where we are, would you recommend this truck? TY!

[@Pabloperes675]

No.

[@horaciolopez7721]

I think with some software updates the downhill run could be improved.

[@Likethetacosauce]

ford can keep their f150 platinum for that price!

[@xQuantom]

I like the early upload, great video btw

[@kieferr1194]

60? The speed limit is 65 and I'm pretty sure all the other tests where at 65. Excited to see all the truck testing👍🏼

[@rocketj7449]

are you sure the payload at 1783lbs is correct for this truck? max tow trucks usually provide upwards of 2000lbs.

[@DanielTojcic]

What mpg does this truck get with no trailer on the gauntlet? Don't care about posted rates, curious how different it is with/without the trailer

[@nucl3arfamily906]

Daniel Tojcic same real world day to day mpg as a V8

[@DanielTojcic]

Nucl3ar Family that's not my point, though. If this exercise gets 3.5mpg in their own numbers, I want to see what the same truck will do with no trailer in their own numbers. Steep grade so I can't see it being too close to the estimates

[@sarafinatyus2445]

nice reflexes Mr. Truck good save

[@lukestoyz]

I agree with others that a better /tougher test would be on a steep stretch of grade in the middle of summer. Reason why because the motor is producing lots of heat but kept in check by the cold temps , where in the summer temps in a hot climate only the trucks cooling system is keeping things in check. This is where I believe where the playing field will really be leveled out. Right now on these tests the forced induction is giving the ford always the advantage, but in the mid summer forced induction produces lots of heat and can loose power.

[@jasonyelland4428]

You guys should test late 90's early 2000's trucks

[@louiesboys7161]

mpg is also affected by temperature and winter versus summer gas, is that data in the book also

[@maddog8148]

I believe you expectation of the transmission downshifting going down the hill is not realistic and you see a trend that all the trucks you test do the same thing. I do believe that transmissions do this for reason and all the automakers have done this for reason to use the brakes more than using a transmission to lower your speed. I believe you should look into this more and revamp your testing.

[@mforce8117]

Any plans on doing more full size SUV on the Ike? Expedition vs Tahoe vs Armada vs Sequoia etc.

[@je5689]

How did the 17 do worse with 1000 pounds less than the 14 you tested? does a v-nose trailer really make that much difference?

[@Lakecenterlawncare]

You guys should try the downhill braking test again using the sport mode. The sport mode is more aggressive in holding gears.

[@candylandgirl6873]

Great video guys love all of your content please do more off road videos along with more like this please:)

[@URBANAMERICANTAC]

For 63K why not get a super duty 4x4 crew cab with the diesel and have the ability to tow 21k+.

[@Willyd2758]

U.A.T. Because if you don’t want an f250, you don’t need to get one.

[@FoDaddy]

1. Nobody pays MSRP on an F-150. The actual transaction price of that $63k Platinum F-150 would be around $50k-$53k with incentives and some haggling. 2. Not everyone wants a diesel or needs to tow 21k worth of stuff.

[@eduardodiez3138]

I have a question, during the down hill part of the test do you accelerate or only use the down hill assistance of the truck? Great videos and a total fanboy of your channel.

[@chevydiesel350015]

Don't hill braking part they don't accelerate. They start at 50 mph let the truck coast to 60mph, then brake to 50 again and repeat.

[@eduardodiez3138]

chevydiesel350015 excelent! thx for the answer bro

[@chevydiesel350015]

No problem.

[@daveworkman5213]

You sure you were in tow haul mode on the downhill? I watched a video a while ago you guys put out where you weren't.

[@tedschmitt178]

The REAL purpose of the 10 speed in the F-Series is for improvement in towing. MPG is just a secondary bonus benefit.

[@ColdSmokes]

So I'll take a wild guess that because it's a 17, that were dealing with a 3.5 liter V6. In case others don't know this, now you do.

[@Lakecenterlawncare]

Also, as you mentioned Mr. Truck, how about getting to 60mph in each truck and setting the cruise control for a more consistent test?

[@jjjrickey]

You may have max towing for that particular truck, however the f150 has a max towing of 12,500lb for the 8ft bed trucks

[@scott8919]

Are you and Roman ever going to do Ike Gauntlets with small cars ever again? Those were fun to watch too.

[@davem7722]

Didn't watch is yet, but I'm sure TFL thinks it's the best truck in the world!!!!! Nevermind the astronomical price tag

[@VARITHMS]

Dave M for 63,000 I could buy a really nice, used 18 wheeler tractor.

[@superdave074]

HELP!!! I'm trying to find this answer from anywhere! Does using tow/haul mode make MPG's worse? I have a 2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost and I think MPG's were slightly better with tow/haul mode off towing about 6000lbs.

[@kingdaniel3519]

It can. There's a lot of factors that would affect mpgs, but tow/haul mode changes the computer mapping to hold the gear longer.

[@superdave074]

Daniel Bell I see. Well that makes sense why my outcome was what it was. Thanks!

[@Rabbidgoldfish]

Mr. Truck, can you talk about trailer brake controllers, how they should be set up and any tips you have for different seasons. Sorry I don't have the Truck Nuts book yet, where this info may be expanded on.

[@nicderkez3544]

Will you guys be doing a test for the Chevy Suburban 1500 up the ike gauntlet?

[@nickanderson5825]

Hello TFL, big fan here. I've seen every Ike Gauntlet vid in the library. you guys have never tested the towing of a Jeep Grand Cheokee Hemi. Is this something you can work in? Thnx

[@s_hassell97]

Im kinda surprised for the downhill brake applications. I thought it would do as good as the previous 150 you guys tested that only had 3 brake applications.

[@cascivic]

andre when are you gonna have a TFL ski day with some filming??

[@CanadianTexaninLiguria]

When can we expect a Ford transit (preferably diesel) to run the Ike???

[@multivisao]

hey guys, may I suggest you create a 'ranking' for these various tests you run in the Ike Gauntlet? It would be nice to have a table at end of each of these videos showing which positions the truck sits...- a la fastest car from The Grand Tour.

[@Icutmetal]

HellBoy Have you ever checked their website??

[@ATH_Berkshire]

Do all of the trucks you test have a factory controller to work with the trailer?

[@TFLtruck]

+Tim Hirst In the half-ton and heavy duty segments, yes. Some midsize trucks and most SUVs either don't have a brake controller or sometimes do not get configured with one when thy come to us.

[@brew5491]

Since you changed trailers It would be nice for a 5.0 retest

[@spyder000069]

Technically the brake application comparison is also flawed because last year using a Vnose would be more aerodynamic and one would think would need more brake applications than this year with a flat nose trailer which is like a parachute behind the truck.

[@KenJencks]

I love all of your videos. I am curious about the the weight distribution and anti sway system you are using. Is it the equalizer?

[@Ratkill9000]

What I find hilarious is the fact that in tow/haul mode it goes into over drive, it use to be that every manufacturer would tell you to not be in overdrive while towing, so what gives?

[@kevt9442]

Computer control keeps the torque converter locked up. Previously in overdrive the torque converter would unlock and slip causing a lot of heat as it tried to multiply torque.

[@sfcjerryharris]

Is this F150 the 5.0 are echo boost?

[@philyoung4238]

Why don't you use cruise control on the way up? I'm sure you answered in a different video but I'm curious and lazy 😜

[@Stanley-u4me]

Ecobeast dominates the ike gauntlet tshirt hoodie

[@1250cc]

when is ford going to release the horsepower numbers for the new 2nd gen 2.7 and 5.0 ???

[@pukindogs1]

How about some payload numbers?

[@candleman522]

I have that song stuck in my head, what is that called?

[@wildworldmotorcycleadventu7059]

great vids guys! I hear the 3.5ecoboost does great unloaded but when u put it to test hauling/towing the MPG goes definetly much lower (eg. compared to a HD) .how true is that pls?

[@FoDaddy]

Versus the coyote, it does *slightly* better in terms of MPG unloaded, but it's not by much, about 1 MPG overall. Towing it actually is less fuel efficient than the V8 (again not by a huge margin), but it's towing performance is superior as the 3.5L EB has a significant torque advantage.

[@jadoriffic]

What is the most weight you guys would feel comfortable towing with the F-150?

[@BetaRacer24]

jadoriffic i have the same question. Im about to get a travel trailer at almost 10K. Not full tow and most likely 4 people.

[@SPBurt1]

@@BetaRacer24 4 in the cab you must have the supercrew. 4 people plus full tank you are already at 1000 LBS cargo in the truck, add another 1000 for a 10K tongue weight and your already over GVWR for the truck. I personally would not go over 7000 in a 1/2 ton. A flat bed haul of bricks sure but a 30FT long and 8 foot high TT, no way.

[@jsmersereau]

Wouldn't it have been a better comparison using the 5.0L?

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

I'd like to see the exact same test ran wo the max tow package using the std rear end. It looks like ford needs a flash to tell the trans to hold gear longer. It appeared that the final drive was slightly off with the new rear gearing and was putting the truck just under optimum rpm for each gear where I believe the standard rear end it would drop one more gear and sit perfectly at 3500 or so instead of upshifting. I'm thinking this had a lot to due with the down hill brake applications being so many as well. In all honesty though.. who buys a $65k 1/2 ton for towing lol. Who wouldn't opt for the 3/4 and a diesel for the same price?

[@dcxplant]

Sound level check done at lower RPM than the run was done. The run was done mostly at 3500rpm, sound level check done under 3000rpm..... wth.

[@Phos9]

Can't help but think that taking off points in the subjective section for downhill brake applications is punishing the truck for them twice.

[@brentneahring2797]

At 4:01 the trip computer was saying 99.9 mpg

[@CentralKentuckyWeather]

The test seems to need a revision. Instead of doing a test that ALL trucks can pass with flying colors (holding speed on a grade), how about making the test hard enough that we can really compare which trucks can outwork the others?

[@jasoncayuga4782]

Where are they on top of ????

[@NWI_Steel]

I understand they don't want to exceed speed limits on film for legal and liability reasons, but what is the point of every truck running 60 mph while not flooring it only to go 8 minutes plus or minus 10 secs? There is no comparability, it's all subjective. I understand you want to keep the weight the same for all trucks in a category for comparison's sake, so you are constrained by the truck with the lowest towing capacity. But the weights need to go up so these 1/2 tons are straining more. If you don't want to exceed the gvcwr of the less competent trucks, then you should go back to the Ike Extreme where each truck is maxed out to its specific individual rating.

[@MikeCris]

Number of "brake applications" is a meaningless figure.

[@randysrestoration]

Yes, Especially when not using the feature made for going down hill. Kinda like turning exhaust brake off on a diesel then saying too many brake applications . .

[@MikeCris]

Juan, he's driving a 10-speed transmission in DOWN a steep grade in DRIVE. How about shifting it into MANUAL mode and letting the engine/transmission do the work?

[@xt6wagon]

I agree, my 2004 F150 had 0 issues with longer stopping while towing because of pad fade, even towing heavier than was exactly legal. Modern trucks use over sized brakes and "race" style pads that don't fade till they are literally on the edge of being on fire. The ABS controler deals with it by reducing the pressures when unloaded so the oversized brakes don't cause issues. So much so you can tell how much a F150 owner tows and hauls by how much longer the rear brakes last than the front. Tow a ton, rear brakes go away at the same rate, do no towing or hauling, they last about 2x as long as the front.

[@raywilson96]

I don't think they had the hill decent control on.

[@1FiftyOverland]

Ray Wilson hill decent control is for off-road, not hwy speeds.

[@spyder000069]

Both people lived after a emergency lane change maneuver with a 9000lb trailer = over 9000 points.

[@tristanhipps604]

i had to trade in my ecoboost. I always had problems with it and the timing chain stretched so bad the adjusters couldnt even take up the slack. cost me a fortune. Im going back to GM trucks for their simplicity and reliability

[@barbaraschenck5691]

Thanks TFLTruck for finally posting this! You guys have been teasing us for weeks (smile)! This new drive-train combo performed awesome, because it never broke a sweat. Honesty, while I like the 10-speed tranny, the old 5.0V8 and 6-speed seems to be a slightly better compromise for towing. During the downhill run there was only 3-brake applications, and it was only slower on the uphill run by like 10-seconds. Question... when can we expect you guys to test the new 2017 F-250/350 Super Duty? I know you did an F450, but I don't need that much capability. Thanks guys.

[@greggcollins4215]

Do you have that T shirt in a v neck?

[@BullittOutdoors]

F150 Coyote V8 is still the leader at 77. Better braking and better MPG...

[@jacobabbott9562]

Whats the intro music?

[@samthecarguy1143]

Have you ever had a perfect downhill run in a truck?

[@billymc2681]

Maybe you should test a 2017 F150 2.7 with 6 speed....I suspect it would perform better. Granted, it's not rated to tow 9,000 lbs but with 7,600 lbs it will definitely be quicker.

[@MetaView7]

I am surprised Ford did not put a 10-sp badge on the truck

[@rooster3019]

I agree with others, you should use the truck's designed features as intended. On downhill, be in trailer mode with the special cruise feature, Also, I hope you were not beginning the decent in one of the over drives! No reasonable person would actually do that. The 10 speed "drive" is #7 or maybe #8 IIRC. But now that this segment is done, your comparisons may not be fair.

[@watch3r9]

wow imazing engine+trans combo

[@nucl3arfamily906]

airobyou : just wait for the 5.0 with this trans and a 3:73 rear end. True bliss.

[@richardziemies2974]

Nucl3ar Family I get 10.3 with my Kenworth pulling a 53 foot trailer and it has a auto 13 speed tyranny. weight wise I pull 38 thousand pounds in it. and....... it has 150 dully tanks with a ARI sleeper.

[@canuckloyalist4681]

Port injection to try to keep those pesky valves clean? I hope they have looked after their cam chain and phaser problems...cost me a shit load of money!!

[@knightrider1545]

Can't wait for Fall 2021, Full Size Turbo 3 cylinder pickup truck plz, Ford.

[@danadams1661]

As bad as an ecoboost sounds, what does a 6.2 Chevy sound like when cylinder deactivation happens?!