2018 450 Shoot Out - Dirt Bike Magazine

[@leebuck4860]

All these bikes are good enough for the average rider.Just pick your favourite colour.

[@HemlockHistoria]

Incorrect. I ride a crf 250r and I notice how it handles better than the other bikes but doesn't have enough power

[@mikebrown41182]

Jack Clasen so you speak for everyone else because you prefer the Honda or?

[@MrFastFarmer]

Exactly. It doesn't matter what you ride anymore.

[@johnnybgood4603]

Lee Buck i agree ill take any FOR FREE haha

[@ridered7262]

Well said, These people who say oh not enough power this or that. Well unless you are a top level pro that's in the rev limiter all the time with it just rung out guess what these bikes have more power than the average weekend racer needs.

[@monkeyCmonkeyDoo]

I thought people stopped throwing loud music over everything a few years ago. I guess not.

[@Slugger84629]

Can't beat the YZ. Power, suspension, electric start, power tuner smartphone app. Awesome bike.

[@jimmysmyth7510]

Slugger84629 heaviest and I rode one I felt like I was on a 4 wheeler its so big and does not turn great

[@melvinmeppelink2576]

I rode Suzuki RMZ last seizoen i rode the 17 yz450f and the 18 last weekend great bike love the powerband and turns great the app en e start are Nice feutures

[@melvinmeppelink2576]

This week i Will buy the yz450f 18 best choice for me

[@Spineshot25]

AmpEdition noone races shitty maicos fuck off

[@dtrim7450]

Rode the KTM, was nice and brought a pleasant smile to my face. Rode the new CRF450 and the reaction was, Oh God!!! Suspension, cornering, all the power you have the balls to twist out of it! Yahhhh, the red one ended up in my garage... Not to mention a reputation for durability with proper maintenance.

[@rgvids3832]

no more music please. punk rock doesnt sell bikes. braaaap does

[@mikebrown41182]

Pick a colour and have fun! Cant wait to see them stack up with full blown factory parts at A1. Its nice to see Honda back with some buiss! Is it just me or does the Kawasaki looks very big? I like the new Suzuki and dont understand the hate it gets around the world by bashing its weight, clutch, , engine design? How many of us when we buy a new bike wont modify it to personal liking anyway? People buying these bike sure could afford some aftermarket stuff like revalve, springs, clutch change like hinson, bars etc . I rarely see people ride 100% stock bikes, and those who do ride completely stock from the store still seem to enjoy it? So i think people should pick one they personaly like based of what you local dealer gives you their best deal. If i have to Give some critique i wonder why Yamaha still not focusing on handling and put back their airbox and engine design to what they used to be pre 010, but thats just me, i would assume there is alot of fans really like the concept! Cool video and review! Brraaaap!!

[@alienchaser636]

blomgren182 Suzuki for me

[@cameronmartens1809]

Suzukis and Kawasakis are just larger bikes. the new YZ450F looks compact af though

[@Amatronix999]

kawas are big suzukis are tiny

[@bryanc447]

My thoughts on these bikes is everybody should be riding 2 strokes

[@mmoplayerful1]

Heyy Bro imagine this shootout being for 2018 250 2 strokes instead of 450s

[@josephborella]

Heyy Bro braaaaapppppp

[@Alvah707]

These bikes would smoke those bumble bees

[@JRC0304]

Marcus Bevzyuk yamaha

[@marcusbevz6500]

Justin campbell Yamaha only puts new graphics on their outdated bikes, they don't count

[@christerstefansson6590]

The best shoot Out ive ever seen. But what about the new RMZ shock ?

[@maverick2242]

Actually best test yet I have seen out of the ones released so far, seems pretty balanced! The Husky and KTM are full sized but look like 125s size wise and real MX race ready bikes, still give me a 350SXF or Husky TC350, ya can keep yr 450s ain't pro don't need it! Good work Dirtbike

[@deadeyenic6833]

why the fuck is the music so loud

[@zardportugal]

Indeed. And bad music by the way.

[@lenope730]

Music twice as loud as the talking isn't annoying?

[@vongdong10]

Has dirtbike tech progressed much in these last 10 years? I haven't riden since 2008 and I had a 2006 CRF450R at the time. Last time I saw progression was Suzuki being first to go EFI and Honda adding a steering damper.

[@Wreckhouse69]

2015 was a hot point for dirtbike design and tech. Then it fell off pace until 2020s i feel like it's rebooted a ton again. 2018 also had some nice changes just not as many as we were used to seeing

[@CampJ95]

I love dirtbikes

[@canjay4033]

Great reviews, very to the point and covering all essentials. Keep up the good work guys!

[@tylermcguyrt5207]

I’m between the new Honda or KTM

[@johnbennettiv]

really informative but audio levels are all over the place. super distracting.

[@andrewyork8513]

I love 450 shootouts, but it’s so hard. There’s so many things I want in my bike. I want a YZ450F with mapping

[@andrewyork8513]

Wait for 2019 is what I understand LOL

[@velocrossnews]

braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

[@brewrabb]

braaaaaaaaaaaaaap is for 2 strokes.

[@landreporter9473]

They are all 4 strokes, 4 strokes don't braaaaaaaaappp buddy

[@telefunkenyou47]

Velocross News - Farrrrrrrrrrrrrrt. Fart, fart. Faaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttt! (Four stroke)

[@Lemitoad]

was that joey mac 420

[@brandongonsalves9260]

Skilled Lemitoad yes sir

[@mrspacemanproductions4855]

Light blue gear, and yes

[@langer_5180]

What’s that song?

[@MorganOliver77]

never mentioned price once

[@LifeLofty]

Morgan Oliver worrying about price is for peasants

[@LifeLofty]

haha jk

[@KingShadows23]

Money doesnt grow on trees and not everyone is loaded.

[@LifeLofty]

KingShadows was just a joke they're all pretty similar price

[@red303dat]

how are electric start and weight such big arguments in deciding on a good motocross bike

[@14randy]

I would love to see a head to head from the same manufacturer, same bike model, but a different year (all the way back to 2006). I don't think the latest is necessarily the best..

[@laynemorris6201]

how many blowies did ktm give ya to put them first again??

[@dexterdiaz7707]

Kawasaki more champs...in history of supercross and motocross at AMA !!!

[@JohnDoe-pf6qp]

It's always going to come down to personal preference. The RMZ usually ends up the worst (or near the bottom) of these lists, and yet if you go to any track there are a ton of riders that swear by them and won't buy anything else. I love my KTM for a number of reasons, how it finishes on these lists has jack shit to do with anything. The other thing you have to keep in mind is what an elite test rider wants a bike to do, and what you want a bike to do, may be two very different things.

[@tonithompson9086]

The Suzuki has VERY good handling traits for MX and I could never feel the excess weight. Dial in your suspension and you are good to go. I just LOVE the Suzuki turning and handling but don't own one. Just ridden a few 450's various yrs.

[@dylanrooney5772]

Why did Yamaha and Honda get rid of Kickstarters???

[@ceasetruth]

Dylan Rooney convenience and the new industry standard that most customers demand.

[@ktmcrush2290]

Dylan Rooney copy ktm

[@devinkline8425]

Cause everyone is trading there dick for a vagina

[@leonidassabr9197]

Why does husky have dohc and ktm sohc if they are the same engine

[@beachsoap]

I watched a couple of your videos now why is the music so loud the voice so quiet scares the shit out of me every time the music comes on

[@MrHeepspo]

They really need to include the KTM 350 with the 450 shoot out. Would love to see how it would compare.

[@kazakstanism]

The Honda needs a blue seat and gold rims

[@tymotoboy53]

Kawasaki would probably be in 1st or 2nd if they could do these things: 1. Switch to kyb spring forks and everyone will flock back to green. 2. Switch the handlebars to the mcgrath bend because it works best with the kawi 3. Black clutch/ignition covers like how they were in 2009. From everyone I know to Grant Langston, they all love the kawasaki once they have it properly set up. To be quite honest with you guys though, people make a bigger deal about the air forks than they need to be. First of all, once the air pressure is set correctly, forks should feel amazing. Change your clickers and make adjustments AFTER you set the air pressure. And second, the Kawasaki is a rear end steering bike. The air forks are designed to make the front end feel lighter while on the back of the bike over bumps. Ask any fast kawi guy they'll tell you the same thing and I'm not that fast

[@blakephillips8688]

tymotoboy53 your correct because that’s was Ryan villopoto’s style of riding , from the back end of the bike , and the Kx basic setup is still based from when he tested on the bike

[@landreporter9473]

The kx has a really ugly pipe tho

[@gabrielmarshall3296]

Or you buy a Yamaha and get some wifi

[@telefunkenyou47]

Yeah but who makes the best War?

[@Wreckhouse69]

Anyone else feel like the rmz looks waaaay newer than the other bikes ?

[@motobasfan3962]

Great video guys

[@codymilhoan6505]

Constantly turning volume up and down

[@hreindustries]

how the fuck is a hydraulic clutch a winner factor, thats more a preference on like which type of suspension you want to run. You could have bought and bolted on a hydraulic clutch for anyone of those bikes if you wanted for not that much money.

[@mikebrown41182]

Cause they base of what you get of stock components on the bikes? Or would you argue against it?

[@bearmims6717]

they self adjust, and are far more reliable, no broken cables and no worries about the pull being slightly different, and as a stunter a hydraulic clutch is far better. also the clutch pull itself is much much easier.

[@hreindustries]

they dont "self adjust" you must bleed them and how often does a cable break? The pull factor is completely preference.

[@knutkragballe5801]

hydraulic clutch is so much better tho

[@j0hnjulic145]

they actually do self adjust? that's one of the major benefits of having a hydraulic clutch.

[@massboyz2255]

What’s this Song

[@tomjones7129]

Anyone else notice the shitty welds on the YZ

[@RoBtHeQuAdEr]

TL Films yeah I did and they are concerning

[@Yohnie125]

That is hard to tell which is better cause it comes down to the riders not the bikes

[@bryanc447]

My winners the yz250

[@davidbramhall6143]

On board WiFi so I can call my mom when i brake down in the middle of nowhere

[@ceasetruth]

David Bramhall break

[@joracer1]

KTM's are HQ, but my bud bought one and raced it 2 years, he said they call them ktm because they cost too much, if a manufacture released a works like bike to the public for $55,000 would it win the shootouts. Imo take the kx or rm spend $1500 on it could win, so price is important.

[@nstyle.]

The best?

[@alandye5834]

Red Head All The Way!!!

[@dawidworwa1206]

What the fuck is with music? Its just to loud ! Not so nice to watch the movie just because of it , make something with that , if i want to hear rock loud i would play something else. Common guys

[@matthewprior3762]

Bikes are cool and all n shit but I HAVE TO HAVE A KICKSTARTER!!!! when i think dirt bikes, i think of kick starters, i think an electric starter is handy and convenient but its cream puff AF..

[@garrett3234]

Matthew Prior i agree i want a kicker too but i want electric start as well. Have you ever tried starting a boiling hot 450 in the desert when its 100+ good luck you will be kicking all day

[@matthewprior3762]

Garrett Gustafson i have not unfortunately.... but I wasnt aware of that... thank you. I definitely dont wanna wear my ass out in the desert 🌵 when day comes and i have the opportunity.

[@sipisthename1353]

Matthew Prior I agree when I think of dirt bikes dirt, bikes and kick starts come to mind not electric bikes with battery’s!

[@Tocco609]

I switched after a broken femur/tib/ and 4 torn ligaments in my right knee lmao

[@jblob5764]

Im torn... I ride enduro so i qould LOVE estart for the dead engine starts or the Le Mans style starts. However i would NEVER want to go on a long race course without a kick starter and get stranded as hell when there was a short in a wire.

[@xtremeblitzz5988]

I think the crf450r should have a kickstarter

[@benveper8984]

Talks about how bike needs improvement for cornering then shows clips of the bike hitting the turn perfectly

[@brentpeyton4304]

50 years riding ,battier no good ,electric start no good,2 stroke, kick start, balance redesign with out rad is winner of future !

[@tomcornelius8212]

Wher dis Joey Mac 420?

[@coreybagnall4871]

Tom Cornelius he is in the FXR gear with the matte black helmet

[@tomcornelius8212]

Corey Bagnall thanks

[@jackclark5220]

What the. If you can't kick your bike you shouldn't ride it. Maybe don't skip leg day.

[@Zzzzzz-ns7lg]

jack Clark agreed

[@gavinkerber7165]

where's Joey Mac?

[@coreybagnall4871]

Gavin Kerber he is in the FXR gear with matte black helmet

[@justinbarnes1621]

Why do they all get rid of the kick starters if you can't kick start your own bike you should not be riding it

[@keo9365]

Meh. I think the CRF450R should’ve won...

[@TheHuckHD]

heavy, also silver rims ewww

[@jimmysmyth7510]

Heavy and dual exhaust still a gimmick

[@keo9365]

it has the best handling, and most people like it's power delivery. And many people actually say that the Honda hides it's weight pretty well. Silver rims? c'mon dude. looks don't matter. Dual exhausts? Honda does everything they do for a reason. No company would just put random nonsense on their bike and hope everything goes well. So Honda saw a purpose for dual exhausts that other companies did not. Or Honda found out something about dual exhausts that other companies did not. And guys don't get me wrong, I'm not a Honda boy, I live, breath and wear Yamaha but in the 450 class you just have to accept defeat. Take it like a man, the Honda is a really solid bike.

[@bearmims6717]

yeah and like 8 less hp, it has the least hp in the 450 class, honda is best for their ag bikes

[@hreindustries]

yea its heavier but a lot of now crf450 owners on vitalmx have said it feels just as light.

[@ak8861]

*quietly crying in the corner cuz the bikes are too expensive

[@youtubeusername5137]

Savage Beast buy a older one

[@ColtsFit]

CRF450F should have won 1 then second should be the YZF

[@isaiahivory7959]

Is nobody gonna talk about "on board wifi" on the yamaha?

[@johnrichardson8048]

Isn’t one of the class requirements a minimum weight? What’s all this crap about making them light? If they wanted they could make them much lighter I’m sure, but don’t they have to weigh at least 98kg’s dry or something just meet stupid AMA 450 class rules?

[@paulwood7798]

95% of most riders are catered for with any of these bikes. The people that buy them will be Joe Average who will spout all sorts to defend their decision on what they buy. Brand snobbery will not take you to the next level but your ability and commitment will. Thats why the 5% that are good enough to have the ability to seriously tell the difference of any of these brands will be the same 5% in five years time. Pick any bike, Dial it in and go enjoy for your self and never mind the sales spiel. They are all good enough and whatever you choose you will spend money on it.

[@NigelNaughton]

KTM just keeps staying in beast mode!

[@motocrosschannel8530]

Ktm always seem to come out on top

[@Sleepy.Time.]

because they update what needs to be fixed instead of waiting four years to fix the glaring mistakes like the big four

[@mikeys_fab_shop]

Wow what's funny is nobody even batted an eye at ktm until they won a title now their magically so great what's even funnier yet is that year after year since the early 2000's on paper they have been a excellent bike, I'm a Yamaha man but I really fine d this hilarious lol

[@lenope730]

Hey can you guys make the rock music in the 'background' louder in between clips of you talking? I want to jump higher out of my seat when I'm wearing head phones drinking my coffee watching dirt bike videos. Thanks guys!

[@Tocco609]

I just want to know what song this is, I'll never be able to afford these bad boys

[@shaneterra8742]

AAC BRIGADE same

[@NickH-zr4zr]

Ill take a green one

[@XDeathHackX]

Husqvarna for me :) , but i also love KTM

[@fulysic9746]

YEAH BRO KTM the way to go 👌 👌

[@blakemaitland7858]

Throw a tm in the mix

[@teddyf9438]

haha good one. Theres like 20 TMs in all of north america.

[@mikebrown41182]

20 champions then ;)

[@catalyst7809]

blomgren182 L

[@Tocco609]

They had a 8 month backorder on a throttle cable so it didn't make it 😂

[@CarsnStuff]

ohh shit was this at I-5 mx ? i live like 5 miles from there ! wish i was there to see that !

[@slit4659]

I can't wait till Harley comes out with it's New 2 Stroke next year.....☺☺☺☺

[@Womb2DaTomb]

I wish you'd credit the music in your videos. This page is one of the worst for it.

[@acjfilms33]

Casey Lee ik I want the name of the music

[@ozzie6540]

How did the crf450r not win like seriously Ktm is great but over priced

[@trueaussie3097]

Ozzie stand for “keep throwing money” they are shit

[@michaelmartin2763]

@@trueaussie3097 sounds like you're bitter and can't afford one of the best brands.

[@trueaussie3097]

Michael Martin so because I don’t like ktm that automatically means I can’t afford one? Why would I want a overpriced shit bike?

[@pdbordelon]

WARNING BEFORE YOU SPEND TIME WATCHING THIS VIDEO...they don't tell you the order the bikes ranked in this video. Instead they give you the winner and to get the rest you have to go to their website...wtf :( such a hassle....Watch other comparison videos to get the info.

[@Crispyy0_0]

I think affordability shout be a factor too because you’re obviously going to get better technology for another $5,000

[@magreaper]

I never knew colors affected speed

[@codyestes432]

KAWI, KAWI, KAWI!!!!!

[@ultrahound5421]

dauu you gyes should of seen it comming ktm no more

[@cameronmartens1809]

electric start shouldn't even be a factor. 450s are easy as fuck to kick over i seen 8 year olds kick over 450s. the EFI ones are extremely easy

[@bearmims6717]

and yet you dont have one, try kicking a 450 over when you stalled out on a hill climb or in r creek where the ruts are so big you cant get the kick out. i do like the kick as it provides a back up if the battery goes flat, but defiantly i would use electric as primary

[@romskogmotorsport]

Ppl saying that ktm is overpriced. Well, the R&D staff in Mattinghofen don't sit around and pick their noses. They work. You could get electric start on a 450 SX-F back in 2007, and 10 years later yamaha and honda get one on the mx bike. If you buy a Honda CRF 250 X 2017, you get a bike that in reality is a 2006, same shit. Ktm delivers 2 strokes and 4 strokes mx and off road and deliver new R&D, like the two stroke 250 and 300 exc TPI. What do the big 4 delivers? Most of them don't even offer a two stroke mx or off road bike. But KTM do, they got a bike for everyone. The big 4 don't. You can choose between a 250 or a 450 4-stroke, mx and off road. And if you ride enduro you get a 2006 with a 2017 tag. All you KTM haters. When did you last owned a KTM? I love the bikes coming out of the Mattinhofen plant, but I don't say shit about over build alu frames bikes from Japan. Why? I used to love the big 4. But now I'm a KTM guy. Ride what you like and have fun, but shut the fuck up if you don't know what you talking about.

[@wilantaraantara9024]

Special engine I like it!

[@Noah-mf3uq]

Why is he acting like kickstarts are bad there alot better than electric starts

[@corysaylor6877]

Having no Kickstarter is a bad idea

[@garrett3234]

Ktm wins again on here. Vital Mx hasnt had them win 2 years in a row im sencing dirtbike magazing are big orange fans

[@mikebrown41182]

Garrett Gustafson 3 major magazins have KTM in top 2, i would assume the bike is just that good.

[@maverick2242]

If you look at the Vital reviewers and they're thoughts, most of the guys that were non Honda riders picked the KTM and Husky the Honda on vitals shootout won by one point and the swing was by Honda riders that down voted both the KTM and Husky and had other bikes totally out of scale from the other reviewers, personally those testers imo had little cred.

[@garrett3234]

blomgren182 ok bro you just keep telling yourself that. Still has air forks which are shit. Steel frame is week maybe cutting edge if it was 1996. Like come on there not even changing the ride or trying to mix it up and still they get a sloppy one every year lol. Ever since Dungey and Decoster they have won wow imagine that.

[@maverick2242]

Garrett Gustafson have you even ridden one, Steel from is dam good, I know I have one and I prefer steel, I know young kids who still can't grow facial hair to shave must have alloy frames, while I prefer coil forks and why I have constantly said the KYB SSS suspension is the best in class the AERs are not bad, I wouldn't touch a fork with 3 valves on it, just from the Pia time wasting that takes, so that's the only thing I'll agree on there though again the AER for the non pro rider or racer it's pretty good fork, but SSS or a WP Cone for upgrade would be my pref, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker not for me. I don't know what you are on about re De- Coster and Dungey, they did a fantastic job, but Marvin Musquin, Jeffery Herrlings, Antonio Carroli, Tonus and Baggert all been doing pretty dam well, more than once in both classes did KTM in Europe did a 1,2,3 fee if any other brand has done that esp in recent times! Seems some cant handle the best bikes comes out of Europe now!

[@garrett3234]

MaverickDH im 20 bro i have quite a bit of facial hair thanks you gery much and yea i have ridden a lot of steel frames never a Ktm. I ride 2 strokes a lot and rode a bunch of steel framed cr250s there is more vibration in a steel frame

[@Amatronix999]

450s,s are still really heavy,thought the weight would of come down by now,my cr250 is 17kg lighter than my kawa450

[@bobscott8785]

This video needs a stoppie test, rock hopping or someone finding a suitcase of money and guns. @joeymac

[@drewkleinbach806]

On board Wifi with the Yamaha? Huh?

[@Adidasskate134]

yeah engine tuning

[@drewkleinbach806]

ah right on. Pretty neat.

[@gabrielmarshall3296]

So I can call my mom when I pop a tube

[@andinugroho2494]

I love dirtbike...braaappp

[@xxv1p3rgam3zxx7]

Knew that ktm would pull it off. Those things are more animal than bike.

[@suprabad1yamaha231]

Anything Roger Decoster touches turns into poor quality...I'll skip the orange and white bikes, as well as yellow...

[@tonithompson9086]

But yet Roger has turned around every team and BIKE less than one yr after hiring him...and did that over and over.

[@suprabad1yamaha231]

Desert Mountain Preppers I didn't say he doesn't make a good race bike/team, I'm saying the quality of the product is poor. They can get away with lightweight poor quality parts in the nationals/supercross because they rebuild the bikes all the time.

[@irenedeleon1370]

funny how these guys yalk shit on all the import bikes at the end but didnt have anything bad to say about the american ones

[@MrTmel123]

none but the ktm look like they have a good looking front fender. disappointment.

[@polok890]

man i wish jason lawrence' s carreer would have lasted 10 years.

[@davidbon6847]

The KX450F with someone that knows how to ride it,,,Eat's Ktm's and any other bike up for Lunch,,9 sx Wins and the MX # 1 plate...wait till this year and see what The Green Rocket does to all the others in 2018

[@bearmims6717]

and when you put a rider who knows how to ride on a ktm (a lighter more powerful, electric start, hydraulic clutch well designed machine) the ktm will win

[@davidbon6847]

like in the 2017 MX season,,,or like the ( 9 ) SX moto WINS ,,lmao,,,eli's KX450F was eating KTM's for Breakfast,,Lunch and Dinner

[@HumanSubwoofer1]

Not really sure what your point is? This video compares STOCK bikes, the pros ride factory where everything is aftermarket and not even comparable to a regular stock bike. They have the best of the best, all of it comes down to rider ability, the only difference on pro bikes is the color of the plastic whereas on stock many different factors affect performance and situations...

[@davidbon6847]

the point is,,,This MAG picks KTM for the last two years...look at all the crap they talk in here about it... stock or worked on,,,they Get SMOKED...that's my Point

[@HumanSubwoofer1]

David Bon i mean ktm just took the monster million so if your point about FACTORY riders is valid explain it bud ;)

[@eternalthread7846]

Ktm is prob the last one I would consider or the husky

[@bearmims6717]

because you cant handle 63 hp?

[@dakotanewman4443]

Song?

[@gabrielmarshall3296]

Did anyone see Yamaha have onboard wifi

[@gabrielmarshall3296]

It's at 8:39

[@bearmims6717]

yeah to tune your bike on the go, its pretty sweet

[@mxr7586]

you ppl have no idea what your talking about with your test.. I know honda guys that do not like the new honda at all. the new yamaha does everything much better from ppl ive talked to and other test. the ktm is still a ktm but the suspension seems better than last years.

[@gabrielmarshall3296]

mxr and it has wifi

[@mxr7586]

Gabriel Marshall ...which is ahead of the rest and the fact everyone says the suspension is better than the rest.

[@luke_2017]

Omfg he when he said a good bike needs an electric start and a hydrologist clutch. Like wtf a cable clutch, u get more feel to the clutch and electric start? R they to lazy to kick and plus a kick start doesn’t run out of battery like what bullshit

[@FatherOMalley]

No wonder dirt bike picks KTM again. Why don't you marry each other already?

[@sungetmongtaytotnhat9322]

Honda last....really! Kidding

[@DirtBikeMagazine]

honda isn't last..we only provided 1st place winner. the magazine will have the rest of the order

[@sungetmongtaytotnhat9322]

I was toolin' (see full comment). Thanks, always loved your mag.