2018 BRZ tS vs. My Modified 2014 BRZ - POV Track Comparison

[@TheTopher]

Check out the tS drifting and doing some more hot laps around Gingerman here on the Winding Road channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/noSqcnt9nrVlmdE

[@DaKineGuy]

I knew this looked familiar! Watch that video this morning before seeing yours :)

[@urebhasan3061]

This comparison makes me realize how great of a driver you are

[@sonnynick1]

Nice driving. I purchased my son a black 2018 ts. I hope to take it to a track with him one day.

[@lecoureurdesbois86]

A Subaru BRZ in it's natural habitat

[@treerexaudi]

o yes

[@moonsapling]

No god. This is not mount Akina!

[@Dampachi100]

Not sure how I missed this video until now. This is one of the better and more informative review/comparison of the tS. Good to know that there is real substance in the tS model and not just marketing fluff. I'm surprised the tS made that much of a discernable difference. Isn't your BRZ also putting out more power as well with the headers and all? But there is still a 1 second gap? I can only think that the limiting factor here were the tires as the tS had fresher, higher grip tires than the 4 year old ones on your car. If that is the case, then good/better tires (and to some extend, aero) does make enough difference to actually even cover power differences. Wow.

[@golding69]

Awesome video. I love you guy’s down to earth, friendly way, plus you have the sensitivity necessary to drive. I’m a very happy owner of a 2020 BRZ TS - you guys help me understand that I’m not imagining that it drives and handles even better than more expensive sports or performance cars. Thanks again for your video!

[@SarahnTuned]

I loved driving the BRZ, probably one of my top favorites! Just a little sad that my Forester absolutely destroyed it in a straight line. Stereotypical "its slow" comment I know. haha

[@TheTopher]

It’s definitely slow-car-fast!

[@SonlangSiek]

The car was made to go sideways! You used it outside of it's element!

[@Wolfen_Argent]

Yeah maybe on a straight line. On a track the poor foster wouldn’t get anywhere after the first corner compared to the “slow” brz.

[@ricardojishar8936]

I absolutely love your content. This is a great change of pace!

[@ardikasulistija6574]

Great video! I will be taking my BRZ to the track this Friday for the first time. Thanks for the inspiration

[@LifeOfWhy]

Was on a super twisted highway driving one day had numerous vehicles dying to show me how slow my car was when in reality I never had to slow down in any of the turns and they sadly couldn't show me anything but a view from my rearview.

[@DustinTavo]

That’s the nice thing about this car vs street racers. I already do it in my mustang. It’s embarassing when Zs etc even BRZs pull up and then go 10mph around a basic curve jumping into your lane the whole time lol.

[@jacobgaylord9277]

This is a great comparison that I feel a lot of owners/enthusiasts wanted to see. I had a modified 2013 BRZ that I lost due to another driver taking me out and I’ve been debating on if the tS was worth the extra cost, this video really helps my decision.

[@kamesanj0]

Nice driving! Been checking your videos and really can’t wait to get one of these bad boys.

[@yaboirice5872]

4 year old tires, griping that well?? *looks to buying a set*

[@TheTopher]

The RT-615ks were never the quickest, but they do last forever and stay pretty consistent throughout their life.

[@treerexaudi]

Primacy are not good xD good for burning up though ;)

[@nickg174]

How many miles do you have on the tires? I’m looking into getting them for my car but am worried about tread life in comparison to my current 260 treadware tires.

[@TheTopher]

Treadlife on the Azenis has always been really good. I'm not exactly sure how many miles I have on them, since I'm always swapping wheels/tires on the car. I probably have about 10 track days and a couple autocross events on them over the last few years. They've gotten pretty hard but still grip decently well after some simple green treatment. Right now they're sitting at the wear bars.

[@treerexaudi]

who wants to try Achilles xD I heard they last a long time and good for drifting. :) Not sure about road noise and water use though, but they have deep groves.

[@louisarroyo5255]

This is quality content, looking towards more. I like the setup you have and hope to try it with my frs.

[@TheJamiedae]

TS is the greatest tool out there to learn aggressive RWD driving dynamics, I love the rotation it gets out of a perfectly timed hard trail brake! Heck toss a set of crap rubber on it if you want "fun" times and back to a sticky tire if you want lap times. Did you guys have the wing adjusted to the aggressive angle its hard to tell.

[@chrissorreda4982]

Okay now i appreciate what ‘tuned by STI’ means, especially with the calibration of all the parts added. BRZ tS is a good car. Its just shockingly expensive.

[@latinboy2011]

My cousin bought the ts. In terms of power the ts is similar to the brz/86 2017+ thanks to the new red manifold which added a little bit of more torque. But the stock brz 2017 will not stand a chance agaisnt the ts you will still need a header and a tune.

[@GerardLESC]

🤡

[@Phiz787]

This looks so fun!

[@faunastation5147]

Looking at your driving, i've learned the tracks

[@jetchan8681]

Love your car and your driving Great video! Earned a sub :)

[@treerexaudi]

They are all yours? Which one do you recommend for a good buy? :)

[@shmendrik213]

Love your filming! Puts the viewer right in the driver's seat. What app is running on your phone there?

[@pgupti]

That looks really fun ! I want to take my BRZ to the track but I'm worried about oil starvation issues that have been occasionally reported to happen... Might throw a dry sump on it first.

[@phantommedia9964]

Are high oil temps a problem too?

[@michaelw2263]

@@phantommedia9964 Yes. The FA20 runs fairly hot so it's highly recommended to have some sort of oil cooler. It's an inverse relationship. High temps + low pressure = oil starved bearings.

[@willmoua1]

Slow people will say 86/brz are slow

[@TheWhiteCometOfZion]

I heard Sparco gloves add 10hp fyi!

[@K03sport]

Do tell about the simple green trick, I've never heard of it...full strength or diluted (what ratio)... Put a sand bag in your trunk and you will have downforce all amy speed

[@Insertsmth]

It ain't downforce its more grip through weight. (Heavy performance cars use this tactic) That trick only works up until your rear tires still have grip and not have worn down due to the excess weight (for some light cars, this tactic only works up to 250kph. The more the heavier the car is, the more skill you need to drive it).

[@danielsoto_toronto]

I can see oil temps way too high on the TS, about 260 farenheit, dangerous low numbers on oil pressure

[@anonymousstormchaser]

Where's this track? Looks like a blast.

[@TheTopher]

Gingerman raceway in Southaven, MI

[@askanracing]

How much downforce does the tS really generate at 60-70 mph?...

[@n.g.9705]

I’d wouldn’t pay the price for a tS, but a premium with a couple grand worth of upgrades.🙌

[@kevin91234]

you think 4.3 final drive has a noticeable change? have you considered of 4.5/4.67/4.875 before coz i am hving a debate

[@MS-wd7gp]

When I see this right the ts is even faster than your brz without the tune and the uel header? Does it even makes sense to do this kind of mods to the car?

[@TheTopher]

Power-wise they're very close with my 2014 BRZ just edging ahead with the mods. I pull about a car length in a 3rd gear pull. The tS can carry more speed through the corners though, which ultimately results in the faster lap times and more speed on the straights.

[@MS-wd7gp]

So it is the enterity of the parts in combination what makes the ts so good. Think it would be interesting how good the ts would pull with a tune and a header.

[@thegroundhurts]

The biggest difference is the newer cars have a 4.3fd vs the 4.1 that is in the older cars. The 4.3 is a hindrance at my local tracks but helps the car accelerate much quicker. The catted ft86 header he is running is also not very good and provides little gain.

[@ekkobell1776]

What app is u using on ur phone ?

[@adampatterson4857]

Topher is your brz remapped? Or just cat back system?

[@benbullis1304]

Any grinding from the transmission with the Redline MT-90? How about when it's cold? Are you still using the Cosworth pads? I tried looking for them and I believe I saw they are discontinued. Thanks for posting such great content!

[@TheTopher]

No grinds or crunches, MT-90 did wonders for smoothness, especially in the cold. I’m still on the Cosworth pads, I’ll probably go to porter field R4-S next, my go to daily/track pad. Highly recommend those if you can’t find the Cosworth street masters anymore

[@JoseMedina-gf4cu]

Is the performance package suspension worth it over the already improved 2017+ suspension?

[@Synthwave89]

100%

[@Carlos.Rivera]

Did not knowyou did final drive conversion

[@treerexaudi]

what is that

[@nowifinoobs]

@@treerexaudi its a gear ratio that can help accelerate faster or get better fuel economy the brz's have a 4.30 which makes each gear shorterbut helps it go faster and the brz has a 4.10 which was a little bit taller gearing and made u hit 60 in 2nd rather then 3rd finaldrive is like mechanical horsepower lol

[@treerexaudi]

both brzs come with both of them? @@nowifinoobs

[@nowifinoobs]

@@treerexaudi originally the 2014 brz was supposed to have the 4.10 but he swapped it out for the new 4.30

[@nowifinoobs]

@@treerexaudi so yea both cars have the 4.30 rn

[@victortugulan]

What app is that on your phone?

[@TheTopher]

Harry's Laptimer

[@iheartgs400]

Given how cheap 13-14 Twins are now these days even rebuild/salvaged title have reached the 8K mark. You can literally just buy the parts suspension bin off the 17 swap it in and boom no need to get the TS, use the spare change for driving mods, tires, consumables, maintenance, gas and insurance.

[@serpentblaze6702]

Cars prices have risen extremely high now 4 years later unfortunately...

[@alezandra97]

Any tips on manual driving ?

[@treerexaudi]

hit the apex

[@Flowermouth]

Start off by learning to be smooth with upshifts, dipping the clutch long (or short) enough for the revs to match so you don't feel the gear change, 1st to 2nd is a big ratio change so takes a while to get fully smooth, then the next year changes get progressively quicker as the ratio difference shortens. Learn clutch control, pulling away with just the clutch so you get a good idea of the biting point. After you've mastered being smooth when upshifting, Start learning to rev match on downshifts, blipping the throttle to match the RPMs of the lower gear. This means there's no lumpy engine braking when you bring the clutch up and it saves the synchros. The next stage is learning to heel and toe, rev matching while under braking. This takes a while to master, keeping constant pressure on the brake while applying enough throttle with the side of your foot to rev match the gear change, but once you learn it, it becomes second nature and it's great fun. Hope this helps

[@lazyrich702]

Got my first track day in my 2017 GT86 next month - any tips for a novice?

[@EAHowe]

Take it easy and don't try to be a hero or show off. You look much dumber when you hit the fence and wreck your car than you do when you go slow and safe.

[@martin8313]

whats that little extra circular mirror called that you mounted on the left mirror?

[@TheTopher]

They’re $2 rotating fisheye mirrors I picked up at the local auto parts store. They solve all the visibility issues!

[@fred062000]

260? Time for oil cooler.

[@Metal7771]

So thats what you look like, I always wondered.

[@openway8949]

TS so much better

[@treerexaudi]

it does but the cost though

[@Synthwave89]

@@treerexaudi You gotta pay if you want to play

[@treerexaudi]

@@Synthwave89 makes sense :(

[@openway8949]

You loose time on turns

[@treerexaudi]

true but not much

[@Sonic_1000]

Man just get ya an S2000 and tune it with full bolt-ons! After owning an S2K everytime I drove an 86 it felt soooo slow.

[@mohammedizz1197]

👌👌👌👌

[@willhart1523]

As an FRS owner, bought used for 15.5k with 30k miles and a clean title. I dont think the BRZ ts is a good buy for the money. I could drop 15k in mods and still have a better car than the ts...

[@ryw00d]

Will Hart but the problem with that comparison is you didn’t buy a new car

[@willhart1523]

@@ryw00d Brz ts's go for 31-33K USD. Even then you have to do a full exhaust and tune to eliminate the torque dip and have decent torque. I was trying to say in ny post that it's just better to buy a used frs/86/brz and mod it, than to buy a new ts. Apologies for the confusion

[@T0n189]

LOL downforce at 60 mph

[@jamesmickle8234]

Try holding a flat object out a window vertically at 60mph